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JimmiC
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Lmui
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On March 28 2021 09:32 LegalLord wrote: Well, it certainly sucks to be stuck between a bad vaccine and no vaccine at all. Looking around, I don't see any evidence of Canada specifically intending to give a second vaccine - only some controversy here and there about whether or not it's wise to draw out the duration between vaccine doses very far outside the recommended range. Everyone committed to buying more than they needed just to be on the safe side; no word as to what is going to actually happen with said doses. Don't really have to think about it yet to be honest. We need to just give out every dose we get our hands on within a week of getting them until July-August this year just to vaccinate everyone with first/second doses. We'll sort out the details on what to do about variants later. We're getting far more MRNA than we need, so if it proves beneficial to give people MRNA to top up resistance, I'm sure we have no problem doing so. We've got a good record of everyone who's gotten a vaccine, what type they've received etc, so it's a matter of distributing it at a later point. I'm sure the government's already in preliminary discussions about swapping the later doses to variant boosters for Q3/Q4 2021. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On March 28 2021 09:55 Lmui wrote: Don't really have to think about it yet to be honest. We need to just give out every dose we get our hands on within a week of getting them until July-August this year just to vaccinate everyone with first/second doses. We'll sort out the details on what to do about variants later. We're getting far more MRNA than we need, so if it proves beneficial to give people MRNA to top up resistance, I'm sure we have no problem doing so. We've got a good record of everyone who's gotten a vaccine, what type they've received etc, so it's a matter of distributing it at a later point. I'm sure the government's already in preliminary discussions about swapping the later doses to variant boosters for Q3/Q4 2021. Well that's not a real answer; a government should certainly have a plan for 4-6 months into the future, and whether the low-tier vaccine their citizens is meant to be the end of the story or if they plan to indeed treat it as a stopgap before they do the job right. Given that it's the easier option, I see every reason to assume the former in the absence of evidence to the contrary. A job half done is as good as none. On March 28 2021 08:55 Magic Powers wrote: Seeing how well Israel has been doing compared to most/all other comparable countries that were slow with the vaccination process, I think the correct strategy involves getting as many jabs into as many people as possible as quickly as possible. Israel has shown that if you vaccinate everyone with the best vaccine possible, that infections plummet. Great to have both quality and quantity in your favor. | ||
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JimmiC
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On March 28 2021 10:53 JimmiC wrote: I dont think you read his post, or your faulty assumptions are clouding you. He gave you how much over is ordered to deal with possible issues with only having one vaccine. Also, Pfizer is 6.8 times less effective against the SA variant, so stop pretending that it is amazing against everything and by far the best, it is not. A smart government is going to deploy the right vaccine to the right area given what viruses are there, what storage they have, how they can transport it and which vaccine they have! A country of the US size and population only ordering Pfizer would not be wise, it would take so much longer to reach heed, causing way more death and long term health consequences, keep the economy depressed longer, have more variants as the virus has more hosts, and if the new variant is not stopped by your only vaccine your really pooched. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.timeslive.co.za/amp/news/south-africa/2021-03-24-pfizer-vaccine-blow-as-israeli-tests-find-reduced-efficacy-against-sa-variant/ If you read what I wrote on the previous page, the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna/maybe Novavax) have the additional benefit of being much easier to be modified against variants. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/28/why-mrna-vaccines-like-covid-vaccines-are-more-flexible-to-variants.html https://www.healthline.com/health-news/the-coronavirus-is-mutating-how-fast-will-vaccines-catch-up I believe the South Africa variant is already widespread in Israel and they seem to still be holding up well even with the reduced efficacy. I seem to remember that they were using the Pfizer vaccine. | ||
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JimmiC
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
they poisoned their own well for no good reason, well I guess a reason would be as a terrible authoritarian country that bad habits are hard to get rid of... and very recently it was reported ran anti western vaccine propadanda. "if I drag you in the mud with myself we are somehow equal again" should be the state motto. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On March 28 2021 11:42 JimmiC wrote: I did, and apparently all the vaccines use techniques that are easy to "update", other than with all the process takes a while to swap production., which when the biggest issue is time is the biggest deal. So it is a hard call on reformulating (trials production time), or booster shots later. Also the article I posted is specifically about Israel and their experience with Pfizer and talks about the SA variant. This article gets into more detail about it. It also talks about the importance of getting it ASAP because of the risk of more variants. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/22298973/covid-19-vaccine-mutation-coronavirus-variant-moderna-pfizer-johnson Personally, I prefer booster shots. It just makes the most sense to me since the lower efficacy of the vaccines they studied against the South African variant still results in lessening the worst cases of the disease. It's better to get some protection now and lessen the amount of new variants coming out, then just add booster shots later. Booster shots should only be 1 dose even for the 2 dose vaccines. | ||
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JimmiC
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Process was smooth and only a little delayed (I got vaccine about 30 minutes later than my appointment). The only truly baffling sights were the guy before me who kept trying to not cover his nose with his mask. Basically every room we went to they had to remind him to wear it properly. Also, him and several other white male boomers were openly (and loudly) whining about how it wasn't the J&J vaccine because they wanted it over and done with. The nurses and cops there just rolled their eyes, and the people took the pfizer regardless. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46548 Posts
On March 29 2021 03:30 JimmiC wrote: My wife just got her test back, positive, got it from her teaching assistant. Time to quarantine, I assume I'll get it but I guess we shall see about me and the kids. That sucks  Hope you two don't have to deal with too severe side-effects! | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On March 29 2021 03:30 JimmiC wrote: My wife just got her test back, positive, got it from her teaching assistant. Time to quarantine, I assume I'll get it but I guess we shall see about me and the kids. Shit. That's rough, hopefully you all get through it without lasting effects. Unfortunately, the people at high risk got shafted behind the elderly which contributes to the spread we're seeing in Canada. | ||
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JimmiC
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46548 Posts
On March 29 2021 04:57 JimmiC wrote: I'm pretty angry right now, her class was online because of an outbreak at school, bit teachers still had to go in and she got it from her assistant. Only reason she was there is because the higher ups are chicken shits and don't want to deal with people bitching about teachers working from home. There was nothing she did that she couldn't have done from home, other than catch covid. That sucks. My school did the same thing - we, the teachers, were forced to go into the school as guinea pigs for a full month, while the students all stayed home and we taught remotely from our classrooms, rather than from the safety of our own homes. After a ton of adults got sick by doing this (during the month of October), the school closed down again for a few months. | ||
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JimmiC
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Doublemint
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JimmiC
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zatic
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