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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control.

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Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8703 Posts
March 29 2021 17:13 GMT
#7301
if you are young and for the most part healthy there are very good chances you will be fine. problems arise when you are older or for some health reason more vulnerable. if both apply you are actually well served in being highly cautios. in rare cases you might get the long covid even when you are young(er) and healthy, even a child. or have to suffer through a bad case of covid when you need to go into intensive care. lottery of nature is a bitch here. the whole thing of a low death rate and outrageously stupid statements like "it's just a bit worse than a seasonal flu" gets thrown out the window if there are not capacities in the health system to help you. then there are good chances you are simply fucked.


that's why it's so important to stay vigilant for longer, especially now when vaccines are on the way. and with more aggressive and potent variants. don't be stupid guys, act responsibly for yourself and others.

I posted this in US pol but might as well put it here.

and nice to hear jimmi, hang in there

CDC director warns of "impending doom" as COVID cases increase
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-29 18:48:39
March 29 2021 18:03 GMT
#7302
Good luck Jimmi, hopefully you and your family are alright.

On March 30 2021 02:13 Doublemint wrote:
if you are young and for the most part healthy there are very good chances you will be fine. problems arise when you are older or for some health reason more vulnerable. if both apply you are actually well served in being highly cautios. in rare cases you might get the long covid even when you are young(er) and healthy, even a child. or have to suffer through a bad case of covid when you need to go into intensive care. lottery of nature is a bitch here. the whole thing of a low death rate and outrageously stupid statements like "it's just a bit worse than a seasonal flu" gets thrown out the window if there are not capacities in the health system to help you. then there are good chances you are simply fucked.


that's why it's so important to stay vigilant for longer, especially now when vaccines are on the way. and with more aggressive and potent variants. don't be stupid guys, act responsibly for yourself and others.

I posted this in US pol but might as well put it here.

and nice to hear jimmi, hang in there

CDC director warns of "impending doom" as COVID cases increase

USA might depend on how widespread SA/Brazil strain are. SA would significantly reduce the effectiveness of existing vaccinations(roughly halves it), and Brazil significantly reduces the effectiveness of other covid infections in preventing spread(something like 80%?), and slightly reduces vaccination effectiveness.

US, assuming 20% have caught covid, and 25% have vaccine protection would have ~40% resistance to regular/UK covid, ~30% resistance to SA strain, and ~25% resistance to Brazil.

Enough to slow growth down, but not enough to stop it is what I'm seeing from rough numbers. That being said, given US's vaccination rate, it might get a bit worse for another month or so, but it'll get better afterwards unless a SA+Brazil Hybrid comes out, which would be absolutely terrifying as it would pretty much guarantee that we have another year of dealing with covid.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
March 29 2021 21:11 GMT
#7303
Local rural town in Oregon had vaccines that were gonna expire tonight, so they opened it up to anyone. Got my first dose of Pfizer today. Really stoked.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
March 29 2021 21:14 GMT
#7304
The upside of living in an area that collectively takes the pandemic very seriously is that going out into public is not nearly as stressful as it is elsewhere. The downside is that we are stuck waiting for a vaccine and it looks like we’ve got weeks more to wait yet.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
March 29 2021 21:18 GMT
#7305
On March 30 2021 06:14 farvacola wrote:
The upside of living in an area that collectively takes the pandemic very seriously is that going out into public is not nearly as stressful as it is elsewhere. The downside is that we are stuck waiting for a vaccine and it looks like we’ve got weeks more to wait yet.


Same here but I stopped feeling safe in public when I read about how much more transmissible some of the variants are. It is totally possible masks don't work as well for some of these variants, so I was really paranoid. If masks mainly protect people through decreasing the concentration you breathe in, and variants require lower concentration, could be bad.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
March 29 2021 21:34 GMT
#7306
Yeah that shit is concerning for sure. The difference makers for us are taking utmost precautions the rare times we go out and the lurking suspicion that we had the rona last year early on. Regardless, we are anxious to get vaccinated lol
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6221 Posts
March 29 2021 23:46 GMT
#7307
So cases where I live have gone up pretty drastically the last couple weeks (Probably St. Patricks day) from ~400-500 cases province wide to 900.

No lockdown but:
Indoor dining stopped for 3 weeks
Indoor group fitness stopped
Closure of the Whistler Ski Resort. We've already vaccinated all the staff, but it is still a persistent cause of spread, and transmission to remote areas. Tons of ski bums going to whistler, catching covid and going home.
Re-iteration that if working from home is possible, you should work from home.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/astrazeneca-vaccine-bc-covid-19-1.5968334
Fairly light touch since we're so close to the end.

We've also suspended use of AZ for people under age 55 due to the risk of blood clots. Above 55 seems to still be OK, so we might spend the vaccines on the elderly as UK has shown that to be comparatively low risk for clots.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-30 13:44:56
March 30 2021 13:41 GMT
#7308
Same thing here (again) in Germany, at least for Berlin and some others for now. No AZ for people under 60 because there've been 31 known cases (29 females of ages between 20 and 63 and 2 males of ages 36 and 57) of blood clots for people between and already 9 fatalities through it. I bet more will follow.

By now I think the trust in AZ amongst German population is dwindling hard.

https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-halts-astrazeneca-vaccines-for-under-60s/a-57049301
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17232 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-30 14:55:53
March 30 2021 14:35 GMT
#7309
On March 28 2021 08:26 Lmui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2021 07:19 LegalLord wrote:
If that's the official strategy rather than an idle talking point, then I certainly hope that all these countries using second fiddle vaccines are securing enough doses of the effective ones with a plan to re-vaccinate 6-12 months from now. The people that got a proper vaccine the first go-around are of course free from this constraint.

At some point, a bad vaccine is just a bad vaccine. At least J&J defends against SA variant and there is definitely a logistical benefit to a one-dose approach - AZ doesn't even have that.


Canada's already got purchase agreements for up to 76m Pfizer, 44m Moderna, up to 38m J&J and over 200m doses of others.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-services-procurement/services/procuring-vaccines-covid19.html

We have a population of 38m.
We have enough to give everyone one eventually. The problem is getting them which isn't happening for a good few months.

With no domestic vaccine manufacturing, that's just where we're at. We'll have enough by end of 2021, but we're trying to get stuff open by summer which requires non-optimal deployment to get working effectively.

Its sad that Canada now has such pathetic manufacturing capacity. Canada used to be very good.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/we-took-our-eye-off-the-ball-how-canada-lost-its-vaccine-production-capacity-1.5204040

It isn't just in this area where Canada has lost its manufacturing capacity. It is sad to see Canada this dependent on other countries.

Most of my Israeli and American friends are vaccinated and hardly any of my Canadian friends are vaccinated. My maternal grandma who still lives in Canada and is 73 goes for her first shot April 8.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
March 30 2021 16:08 GMT
#7310
On March 30 2021 23:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2021 08:26 Lmui wrote:
On March 28 2021 07:19 LegalLord wrote:
If that's the official strategy rather than an idle talking point, then I certainly hope that all these countries using second fiddle vaccines are securing enough doses of the effective ones with a plan to re-vaccinate 6-12 months from now. The people that got a proper vaccine the first go-around are of course free from this constraint.

At some point, a bad vaccine is just a bad vaccine. At least J&J defends against SA variant and there is definitely a logistical benefit to a one-dose approach - AZ doesn't even have that.


Canada's already got purchase agreements for up to 76m Pfizer, 44m Moderna, up to 38m J&J and over 200m doses of others.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-services-procurement/services/procuring-vaccines-covid19.html

We have a population of 38m.
We have enough to give everyone one eventually. The problem is getting them which isn't happening for a good few months.

With no domestic vaccine manufacturing, that's just where we're at. We'll have enough by end of 2021, but we're trying to get stuff open by summer which requires non-optimal deployment to get working effectively.

Its sad that Canada now has such pathetic manufacturing capacity. Canada used to be very good.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/we-took-our-eye-off-the-ball-how-canada-lost-its-vaccine-production-capacity-1.5204040

It isn't just in this area where Canada has lost its manufacturing capacity. It is sad to see Canada this dependent on other countries.

Most of my Israeli and American friends are vaccinated and hardly any of my Canadian friends are vaccinated. My maternal grandma who still lives in Canada and is 73 goes for her first shot April 8.


Yup this whole situation has been a strong argument against globalism or at very least centralizing manufacturing. The planet should want manufacturing to be spread out.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-30 16:21:35
March 30 2021 16:21 GMT
#7311
The Trump administration did very well to secure domestic manufacturing for the winning vaccines and to therefore have first priority for very large scale vaccination. Israel is too small to do that, but rightly bet that it'd get more than its fair share of vaccines if it paid over the odds for their doses.

On the other hand, countries like Canada are desperate enough that they have to take handouts from the COVAX program.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-30 16:36:13
March 30 2021 16:32 GMT
#7312
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
March 30 2021 16:46 GMT
#7313
Glad to hear Jimmi! Best of success managing quarantining with the kids and all!
passive quaranstream fan
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2709 Posts
March 30 2021 17:03 GMT
#7314
They checked vaccinated people in Sweden and for 430 000 fully vaccinated only 200 had registered positive two weeks after the second dose.

Even better, among 1 million people having recived only one dose only 6000 had a positive test, and the vast majority was within 2 weeks before you start getting a significant effect.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 30 2021 17:10 GMT
#7315
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17232 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-30 17:40:46
March 30 2021 17:39 GMT
#7316
On March 31 2021 01:21 LegalLord wrote:
On the other hand, countries like Canada are desperate enough that they have to take handouts from the COVAX program.

... a chilling indictment of the weakness of Canada's leadership over the past 15 years. You'd think their brush with SARS would have them more vigilant than other countries... not less. Canada used to be a world leader in this area. Oh well.

FOR TRANSPARENCY: i live near Buffalo, New York now. I lived in Canada for the first 28.5 years before turning 30 years old. Lived in the USA for 3 stints of 4 months between age 19 and age 21.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 30 2021 17:49 GMT
#7317
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17232 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-30 18:32:53
March 30 2021 18:30 GMT
#7318
it is explained in the CTV News article i posted.

for more detail here you go...
https://rsc-src.ca/en/voices/canada’s-vaccine-legacy-influenza-polio-covid-19-vaccines

check out the section entitled "Whither a Canadian COVID-19 Vaccine?"
the manufacturing capacity we had in 2009 is now gone.

TL;DR
in previous infectious disease crises Canada kicked ass. in the Covid-19 crisis Canada is looking for handouts from foreign countries.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 30 2021 18:49 GMT
#7319
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17232 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-30 21:32:49
March 30 2021 21:22 GMT
#7320
On March 31 2021 03:49 JimmiC wrote:
Compared to the countries mentioned, the US and Israel, we have "kicked ass", we will be donating lots of vaccines as we over ordered. Israel also is not manufacturing vaccines so it was hard to make the connection to your post.

someone , somewhere must manufacture the vaccine. it is not happening in Canada. It did in the past.
"Creation comes before distribution—or there will be nothing to distribute."

Canada is forced to seem like they are 'donating' so much ... after the COVAX debacle. When is Canada doing this "donating"? if its many months or years from now ... it is almost meaningless.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/covax-explainer-canada-backlash-1.5902072

If Canada had its own manufacturing they could avoid this embarrassment. Canada could donate vaccine manufactured in Canada by Canadians. Instead, Canada is no longer even the "branch plant economy" Justin's father decried. Damn, there isn't even a "branch plant" in Canada.. nevermind the HQ.
Canada is the only G7 country slated to draw from COVAX's vaccine supply in the program's first allotment. A few other wealthy countries, including New Zealand and Singapore, are also part of the first allotment, but the vast majority are lower-income countries.

Remember when Canada continually led G7 countries in so many categories during the Chretien era? Sadly, those days are long gone.

remember when Canada helped out China by developing a SARS vaccine? again, those days are long gone.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
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