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On June 18 2016 04:52 jello_biafra wrote: I was heavily in favour of staying in the EU until very recently but the more I find out the more I change my mind, I assumed the parliament worked like a normal parliament and that there was some degree of democracy. Turns out the EU cripples democracy and self-determination. It doesn't matter what you believe. If you're a communist, capitalist, monarchist, whatever, any changes you want to make can be nullified by the EU. Basically, unless your ideals align perfectly with what they want, and you're confident that their interests will never diverge from your own, you have no reason to vote remain. It's a rare case of a truly bipartisan issue, and it's telling that support for leave has been so high despite the entire establishment pushing against it.
For years I've just kind of gone along with the story that Farage was some fringe lunatic but it turns out he might actually have been right all along.
Also I'm all for European countries working together and having a common market, I'm even in favour of countries like Britain and Germany giving money to develop countries like Poland but it turns out the way it's been done is really inefficient and a lot of the money is just wasted on bureaucracy. The more I learn the more it seems like Germany is the only country that's really benefited from the whole project.
Yes, and your PM and MPs are elected by EU. Also, EU threatens to eat your children. Don't you feel you overstretch your arguments here? You make it sound like your parliament has no power at all.
Germany isn't some evil genius. In fact, it's a more disciplined country than the UK even though I live in the UK. Just because you can't make it work doesn't mean others can't. Learn something from Germany.
Learn what? How to create a currency union that enriches your country to the cost of Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal?
How to engineer a refugee crisis?
You're very uneducated, aren't you? Who intervened in the Middle East to cause refugee crisis? Hint: Germany wasn't the major player. It was your friend Tony Blair and George Bush.
Yes, Tony Blair caused the Syrian civil war...
Merkel was the one that openly invited everyone to come to Europe, the majority of the migrants aren't Syrian and many aren't even refugees
Bold part is very true and i don't think many people are actually aware of it.
On June 18 2016 04:52 jello_biafra wrote: I was heavily in favour of staying in the EU until very recently but the more I find out the more I change my mind, I assumed the parliament worked like a normal parliament and that there was some degree of democracy. Turns out the EU cripples democracy and self-determination. It doesn't matter what you believe. If you're a communist, capitalist, monarchist, whatever, any changes you want to make can be nullified by the EU. Basically, unless your ideals align perfectly with what they want, and you're confident that their interests will never diverge from your own, you have no reason to vote remain. It's a rare case of a truly bipartisan issue, and it's telling that support for leave has been so high despite the entire establishment pushing against it.
For years I've just kind of gone along with the story that Farage was some fringe lunatic but it turns out he might actually have been right all along.
Also I'm all for European countries working together and having a common market, I'm even in favour of countries like Britain and Germany giving money to develop countries like Poland but it turns out the way it's been done is really inefficient and a lot of the money is just wasted on bureaucracy. The more I learn the more it seems like Germany is the only country that's really benefited from the whole project.
Yes, and your PM and MPs are elected by EU. Also, EU threatens to eat your children. Don't you feel you overstretch your arguments here? You make it sound like your parliament has no power at all.
Germany isn't some evil genius. In fact, it's a more disciplined country than the UK even though I live in the UK. Just because you can't make it work doesn't mean others can't. Learn something from Germany.
Learn what? How to create a currency union that enriches your country to the cost of Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal?
How to engineer a refugee crisis?
You're very uneducated, aren't you? Who intervened in the Middle East to cause refugee crisis? Hint: Germany wasn't the major player. It was your friend Tony Blair and George Bush.
Yes, Tony Blair caused the Syrian civil war...
Not sure if sarcastic or unaware that ISI only became ISIS when the preexisting Iraqi insurgency created by the Iraq invasion invaded Syria during the Arab Spring.
What does that matter? It may prolong the war but it didn't start it.
On June 18 2016 04:52 jello_biafra wrote: I was heavily in favour of staying in the EU until very recently but the more I find out the more I change my mind, I assumed the parliament worked like a normal parliament and that there was some degree of democracy. Turns out the EU cripples democracy and self-determination. It doesn't matter what you believe. If you're a communist, capitalist, monarchist, whatever, any changes you want to make can be nullified by the EU. Basically, unless your ideals align perfectly with what they want, and you're confident that their interests will never diverge from your own, you have no reason to vote remain. It's a rare case of a truly bipartisan issue, and it's telling that support for leave has been so high despite the entire establishment pushing against it.
For years I've just kind of gone along with the story that Farage was some fringe lunatic but it turns out he might actually have been right all along.
Also I'm all for European countries working together and having a common market, I'm even in favour of countries like Britain and Germany giving money to develop countries like Poland but it turns out the way it's been done is really inefficient and a lot of the money is just wasted on bureaucracy. The more I learn the more it seems like Germany is the only country that's really benefited from the whole project.
Yes, and your PM and MPs are elected by EU. Also, EU threatens to eat your children. Don't you feel you overstretch your arguments here? You make it sound like your parliament has no power at all.
Germany isn't some evil genius. In fact, it's a more disciplined country than the UK even though I live in the UK. Just because you can't make it work doesn't mean others can't. Learn something from Germany.
Learn what? How to create a currency union that enriches your country to the cost of Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal?
How to engineer a refugee crisis?
You're very uneducated, aren't you? Who intervened in the Middle East to cause refugee crisis? Hint: Germany wasn't the major player. It was your friend Tony Blair and George Bush.
Yes, Tony Blair caused the Syrian civil war...
Merkel was the one that openly invited everyone to come to Europe, the majority of the migrants aren't Syrian and many aren't even refugees
Bold part is very true and i don't think many people are actually aware of it.
Any evidence for that or just farage stood in front of a huge nazi-esque billboard?
On June 18 2016 04:52 jello_biafra wrote: I was heavily in favour of staying in the EU until very recently but the more I find out the more I change my mind, I assumed the parliament worked like a normal parliament and that there was some degree of democracy. Turns out the EU cripples democracy and self-determination. It doesn't matter what you believe. If you're a communist, capitalist, monarchist, whatever, any changes you want to make can be nullified by the EU. Basically, unless your ideals align perfectly with what they want, and you're confident that their interests will never diverge from your own, you have no reason to vote remain. It's a rare case of a truly bipartisan issue, and it's telling that support for leave has been so high despite the entire establishment pushing against it.
For years I've just kind of gone along with the story that Farage was some fringe lunatic but it turns out he might actually have been right all along.
Also I'm all for European countries working together and having a common market, I'm even in favour of countries like Britain and Germany giving money to develop countries like Poland but it turns out the way it's been done is really inefficient and a lot of the money is just wasted on bureaucracy. The more I learn the more it seems like Germany is the only country that's really benefited from the whole project.
Yes, and your PM and MPs are elected by EU. Also, EU threatens to eat your children. Don't you feel you overstretch your arguments here? You make it sound like your parliament has no power at all.
Germany isn't some evil genius. In fact, it's a more disciplined country than the UK even though I live in the UK. Just because you can't make it work doesn't mean others can't. Learn something from Germany.
Learn what? How to create a currency union that enriches your country to the cost of Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal?
How to engineer a refugee crisis?
You're very uneducated, aren't you? Who intervened in the Middle East to cause refugee crisis? Hint: Germany wasn't the major player. It was your friend Tony Blair and George Bush.
Yes, Tony Blair caused the Syrian civil war...
Not sure if sarcastic or unaware that ISI only became ISIS when the preexisting Iraqi insurgency created by the Iraq invasion invaded Syria during the Arab Spring.
What does that matter? It may prolong the war but it didn't start it.
Because the longer the war goes on and the bloodier it is the more refugees
On June 18 2016 04:52 jello_biafra wrote: I was heavily in favour of staying in the EU until very recently but the more I find out the more I change my mind, I assumed the parliament worked like a normal parliament and that there was some degree of democracy. Turns out the EU cripples democracy and self-determination. It doesn't matter what you believe. If you're a communist, capitalist, monarchist, whatever, any changes you want to make can be nullified by the EU. Basically, unless your ideals align perfectly with what they want, and you're confident that their interests will never diverge from your own, you have no reason to vote remain. It's a rare case of a truly bipartisan issue, and it's telling that support for leave has been so high despite the entire establishment pushing against it.
For years I've just kind of gone along with the story that Farage was some fringe lunatic but it turns out he might actually have been right all along.
Also I'm all for European countries working together and having a common market, I'm even in favour of countries like Britain and Germany giving money to develop countries like Poland but it turns out the way it's been done is really inefficient and a lot of the money is just wasted on bureaucracy. The more I learn the more it seems like Germany is the only country that's really benefited from the whole project.
Yes, and your PM and MPs are elected by EU. Also, EU threatens to eat your children. Don't you feel you overstretch your arguments here? You make it sound like your parliament has no power at all.
Germany isn't some evil genius. In fact, it's a more disciplined country than the UK even though I live in the UK. Just because you can't make it work doesn't mean others can't. Learn something from Germany.
Learn what? How to create a currency union that enriches your country to the cost of Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal?
How to engineer a refugee crisis?
You're very uneducated, aren't you? Who intervened in the Middle East to cause refugee crisis? Hint: Germany wasn't the major player. It was your friend Tony Blair and George Bush.
Yes, Tony Blair caused the Syrian civil war...
Merkel was the one that openly invited everyone to come to Europe, the majority of the migrants aren't Syrian and many aren't even refugees
Yes, Merkel made a mistake. I think she made it because Germany may feel guilty because of fascism, and they want redemption by inviting refugees. Still, such a large amount of refugees was a mistake. Having refugees is the symptom though. I don't mean to sound mean when I say that. You have to think of the reason why there are refugees at all. It's because the west (mainly USA) made a terrible mistake to promote democracy in the Middle East and overthrow their leaders. Democracy is great, but it doesn't work in the Middle East as you can see now.
On June 18 2016 04:52 jello_biafra wrote: I was heavily in favour of staying in the EU until very recently but the more I find out the more I change my mind, I assumed the parliament worked like a normal parliament and that there was some degree of democracy. Turns out the EU cripples democracy and self-determination. It doesn't matter what you believe. If you're a communist, capitalist, monarchist, whatever, any changes you want to make can be nullified by the EU. Basically, unless your ideals align perfectly with what they want, and you're confident that their interests will never diverge from your own, you have no reason to vote remain. It's a rare case of a truly bipartisan issue, and it's telling that support for leave has been so high despite the entire establishment pushing against it.
For years I've just kind of gone along with the story that Farage was some fringe lunatic but it turns out he might actually have been right all along.
Also I'm all for European countries working together and having a common market, I'm even in favour of countries like Britain and Germany giving money to develop countries like Poland but it turns out the way it's been done is really inefficient and a lot of the money is just wasted on bureaucracy. The more I learn the more it seems like Germany is the only country that's really benefited from the whole project.
Yes, and your PM and MPs are elected by EU. Also, EU threatens to eat your children. Don't you feel you overstretch your arguments here? You make it sound like your parliament has no power at all.
Germany isn't some evil genius. In fact, it's a more disciplined country than the UK even though I live in the UK. Just because you can't make it work doesn't mean others can't. Learn something from Germany.
Learn what? How to create a currency union that enriches your country to the cost of Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal?
How to engineer a refugee crisis?
You're very uneducated, aren't you? Who intervened in the Middle East to cause refugee crisis? Hint: Germany wasn't the major player. It was your friend Tony Blair and George Bush.
Yes, Tony Blair caused the Syrian civil war...
Merkel was the one that openly invited everyone to come to Europe, the majority of the migrants aren't Syrian and many aren't even refugees
Bold part is very true and i don't think many people are actually aware of it.
Any evidence for that or just farage stood in front of a huge nazi-esque billboard?
On June 18 2016 04:52 jello_biafra wrote: I was heavily in favour of staying in the EU until very recently but the more I find out the more I change my mind, I assumed the parliament worked like a normal parliament and that there was some degree of democracy. Turns out the EU cripples democracy and self-determination. It doesn't matter what you believe. If you're a communist, capitalist, monarchist, whatever, any changes you want to make can be nullified by the EU. Basically, unless your ideals align perfectly with what they want, and you're confident that their interests will never diverge from your own, you have no reason to vote remain. It's a rare case of a truly bipartisan issue, and it's telling that support for leave has been so high despite the entire establishment pushing against it.
For years I've just kind of gone along with the story that Farage was some fringe lunatic but it turns out he might actually have been right all along.
Also I'm all for European countries working together and having a common market, I'm even in favour of countries like Britain and Germany giving money to develop countries like Poland but it turns out the way it's been done is really inefficient and a lot of the money is just wasted on bureaucracy. The more I learn the more it seems like Germany is the only country that's really benefited from the whole project.
Yes, and your PM and MPs are elected by EU. Also, EU threatens to eat your children. Don't you feel you overstretch your arguments here? You make it sound like your parliament has no power at all.
Germany isn't some evil genius. In fact, it's a more disciplined country than the UK even though I live in the UK. Just because you can't make it work doesn't mean others can't. Learn something from Germany.
Learn what? How to create a currency union that enriches your country to the cost of Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal?
How to engineer a refugee crisis?
You're very uneducated, aren't you? Who intervened in the Middle East to cause refugee crisis? Hint: Germany wasn't the major player. It was your friend Tony Blair and George Bush.
Yes, Tony Blair caused the Syrian civil war...
Not sure if sarcastic or unaware that ISI only became ISIS when the preexisting Iraqi insurgency created by the Iraq invasion invaded Syria during the Arab Spring.
What does that matter? It may prolong the war but it didn't start it.
Because the longer the war goes on and the bloodier it is the more refugees
That is true, the Syrian war started 7 years after the Iraq invasion though, perhaps if the Obama administration had intervened in 2013 the issue could have been settled before ISIS grew to their largest extent, but there wasn't really much that could be done by that point.
On June 18 2016 04:52 jello_biafra wrote: I was heavily in favour of staying in the EU until very recently but the more I find out the more I change my mind, I assumed the parliament worked like a normal parliament and that there was some degree of democracy. Turns out the EU cripples democracy and self-determination. It doesn't matter what you believe. If you're a communist, capitalist, monarchist, whatever, any changes you want to make can be nullified by the EU. Basically, unless your ideals align perfectly with what they want, and you're confident that their interests will never diverge from your own, you have no reason to vote remain. It's a rare case of a truly bipartisan issue, and it's telling that support for leave has been so high despite the entire establishment pushing against it.
For years I've just kind of gone along with the story that Farage was some fringe lunatic but it turns out he might actually have been right all along.
Also I'm all for European countries working together and having a common market, I'm even in favour of countries like Britain and Germany giving money to develop countries like Poland but it turns out the way it's been done is really inefficient and a lot of the money is just wasted on bureaucracy. The more I learn the more it seems like Germany is the only country that's really benefited from the whole project.
Yes, and your PM and MPs are elected by EU. Also, EU threatens to eat your children. Don't you feel you overstretch your arguments here? You make it sound like your parliament has no power at all.
Germany isn't some evil genius. In fact, it's a more disciplined country than the UK even though I live in the UK. Just because you can't make it work doesn't mean others can't. Learn something from Germany.
Learn what? How to create a currency union that enriches your country to the cost of Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal?
How to engineer a refugee crisis?
You're very uneducated, aren't you? Who intervened in the Middle East to cause refugee crisis? Hint: Germany wasn't the major player. It was your friend Tony Blair and George Bush.
Yes, Tony Blair caused the Syrian civil war...
Merkel was the one that openly invited everyone to come to Europe, the majority of the migrants aren't Syrian and many aren't even refugees
Yes, Merkel made a mistake. I think she made it because Germany may feel guilty because of fascism, and they want redemption by inviting refugees. Still, such a large amount of refugees was a mistake. Having refugees is the symptom though. I don't mean to sound mean when I say that. You have to think of the reason why there are refugees at all. It's because the west (mainly USA) made a terrible mistake to promote democracy in the Middle East and overthrow their leaders. Democracy is great, but it doesn't work in the Middle East as you can see now.
I'm not defending the interventions in the middle east, they just made the problem worse but it wasn't exactly a utopia before that. Democracy is clearly incompatible with Islam but a lot of people were also fed up of living under corrupt dictatorships and these civil wars were probably inevitable IMO.
As for Germany, they are taking white guilt to the extreme because of WW2 and some of their far left politicians are legitimately insane, eg.
edit: anyway, we've veered way off the thread topic of UK politics, oops
On June 18 2016 06:56 Shield wrote: This video reminds me of that one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og You may say it affects Western Europe in general, including the UK. What's your view on it?
That is the stupidest youtube video I've ever watched. It's literally trying to beg the question
"so, given that Israel has a wall and oppresses Palestinians, who are the real racists, Hitler or the Jews?"
On June 18 2016 06:56 Shield wrote: This video reminds me of that one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og You may say it affects Western Europe in general, including the UK. What's your view on it?
That is the stupidest youtube video I've ever watched. It's literally trying to beg the question
"so, given that Israel has a wall and oppresses Palestinians, who are the real racists, Hitler or the Jews?"
No, still Hitler. Always Hitler.
I think anti-racist Hitler could be replaced by anyone from far left. Israel in video could be any country from Western Europe. That's how I understand it at least.
On June 18 2016 06:56 Shield wrote: This video reminds me of that one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og You may say it affects Western Europe in general, including the UK. What's your view on it?
That is the stupidest youtube video I've ever watched. It's literally trying to beg the question
"so, given that Israel has a wall and oppresses Palestinians, who are the real racists, Hitler or the Jews?"
No, still Hitler. Always Hitler.
I think anti-racist Hitler could be replaced by anyone from far left. Israel in video could be any country from Western Europe. That's how I understand it at least.
How I understand it is that an unchanged Hitler wakes up in 2016 and wants to destroy the Jews. He then decides that the real racists in 2016 are the liberals who are seeking the destruction of races through mixed breeding, integration and tolerance. Then, whenever they question his policies to destroy the Jews he goes "I'm just being tolerant and liberal, you're not a racist are you? Because if you disagree with me you must be a racist".
Like I said, one of the stupidest videos I've ever seen.
On June 18 2016 06:56 Shield wrote: This video reminds me of that one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og You may say it affects Western Europe in general, including the UK. What's your view on it?
That is the stupidest youtube video I've ever watched. It's literally trying to beg the question
"so, given that Israel has a wall and oppresses Palestinians, who are the real racists, Hitler or the Jews?"
No, still Hitler. Always Hitler.
I think anti-racist Hitler could be replaced by anyone from far left. Israel in video could be any country from Western Europe. That's how I understand it at least.
How I understand it is that an unchanged Hitler wakes up in 2016 and wants to destroy the Jews. He then decides that the real racists in 2016 are the liberals who are seeking the destruction of races through mixed breeding, integration and tolerance. Then, whenever they question his policies to destroy the Jews he goes "I'm just being tolerant and liberal, you're not a racist are you? Because if you disagree with me you must be a racist".
Like I said, one of the stupidest videos I've ever seen.
Isn't this how it is in Europe at the moment though? Open borders, white British people are minority in London, etc. If you take a figurative view of that video, you may see it's similar. I'm not saying the video is exclusively for the UK though. I think it's not about Israel at all. I believe it's about monolithic societies in Europe in general.
Britain doesn't have open borders though, and I don't see what the issue with white British people not being a majority (though still being the largest group) in one of the most multicultural, diverse capitals in the world. The fact that such a place can even exist is, if anything, a point of pride.
On June 18 2016 06:56 Shield wrote: This video reminds me of that one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og You may say it affects Western Europe in general, including the UK. What's your view on it?
That is the stupidest youtube video I've ever watched. It's literally trying to beg the question
"so, given that Israel has a wall and oppresses Palestinians, who are the real racists, Hitler or the Jews?"
No, still Hitler. Always Hitler.
I think anti-racist Hitler could be replaced by anyone from far left. Israel in video could be any country from Western Europe. That's how I understand it at least.
How I understand it is that an unchanged Hitler wakes up in 2016 and wants to destroy the Jews. He then decides that the real racists in 2016 are the liberals who are seeking the destruction of races through mixed breeding, integration and tolerance. Then, whenever they question his policies to destroy the Jews he goes "I'm just being tolerant and liberal, you're not a racist are you? Because if you disagree with me you must be a racist".
Like I said, one of the stupidest videos I've ever seen.
Isn't this how it is in Europe at the moment though? Open borders, white British people are minority in London, etc. If you take a figurative view of that video, you may see it's similar. I'm not saying the video is exclusively for the UK though. I think it's not about Israel at all. I believe it's about monolithic societies in Europe in general.
And they argue their point by going "maybe the real racists are those who believe in white genocide through anti-racism and maybe now I've blown your mind with that you'll see that Hitler wasn't so bad". No, it's still fucking Hitler.
It's like a 13 year old going "I think schools teach people how to not think and that the smartest people in the world are the people with the least education". It's the embodiment of https://www.reddit.com/r/im14andthisisdeep/
Qriously, a London-based technology start-up that gathers data and intelligence about consumers through mobile phone apps, found that backing among likely voters for Britain's EU membership has dropped to 32% from 40% before her death.
Qriously found that 52% will vote to leave the bloc in a national referendum on June 23. The figure is unchanged from before the parliamentarian's death. The weakening support for remaining in the EU coincided with a large move toward "Don't know," which leaped to 16% from 9% before Cox's assassination.
On June 18 2016 06:56 Shield wrote: This video reminds me of that one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og You may say it affects Western Europe in general, including the UK. What's your view on it?
That is the stupidest youtube video I've ever watched. It's literally trying to beg the question
"so, given that Israel has a wall and oppresses Palestinians, who are the real racists, Hitler or the Jews?"
No, still Hitler. Always Hitler.
I think anti-racist Hitler could be replaced by anyone from far left. Israel in video could be any country from Western Europe. That's how I understand it at least.
How I understand it is that an unchanged Hitler wakes up in 2016 and wants to destroy the Jews. He then decides that the real racists in 2016 are the liberals who are seeking the destruction of races through mixed breeding, integration and tolerance. Then, whenever they question his policies to destroy the Jews he goes "I'm just being tolerant and liberal, you're not a racist are you? Because if you disagree with me you must be a racist".
Like I said, one of the stupidest videos I've ever seen.
There are, indeed, political parties, from the far left, that openly oppose mixed race. One of their main argument is that we first "need to love ourselves" : due to "colonialism", the relationship between a white and a black, or an arab, cannot be motivated entirely by love and must reproduce, in some way, the domination that exist at the global level. So the relationship between a black or an arab with a white is, to them, some form of cultural destruction / appropriation. That's a logical step when you think in terms of culture and when you believe that cultural assimilation / integration is a violent process.
On June 18 2016 07:30 kollin wrote: Britain doesn't have open borders though, and I don't see what the issue with white British people not being a majority (though still being the largest group) in one of the most multicultural, diverse capitals in the world. The fact that such a place can even exist is, if anything, a point of pride.
The skin color does not matter, what matter on the other hand is our capacity to feel like we're part of the same community.
On June 18 2016 06:56 Shield wrote: This video reminds me of that one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og You may say it affects Western Europe in general, including the UK. What's your view on it?
That is the stupidest youtube video I've ever watched. It's literally trying to beg the question
"so, given that Israel has a wall and oppresses Palestinians, who are the real racists, Hitler or the Jews?"
No, still Hitler. Always Hitler.
I think anti-racist Hitler could be replaced by anyone from far left. Israel in video could be any country from Western Europe. That's how I understand it at least.
How I understand it is that an unchanged Hitler wakes up in 2016 and wants to destroy the Jews. He then decides that the real racists in 2016 are the liberals who are seeking the destruction of races through mixed breeding, integration and tolerance. Then, whenever they question his policies to destroy the Jews he goes "I'm just being tolerant and liberal, you're not a racist are you? Because if you disagree with me you must be a racist".
Like I said, one of the stupidest videos I've ever seen.
There are, indeed, political parties, from the far left, that openly oppose mixed race. One of their main argument is that we first "need to love ourselves" : due to "colonialism", the relationship between a white and a black, or an arab, cannot be motivated entirely by love and must reproduce, in some way, the domination that exist at the global level. So the relationship between a black or an arab with a white is, to them, some form of cultural destruction / appropriation. That's a logical step when you think in terms of culture and when you believe that cultural assimilation / integration is a violent process.
I never said all the idiots can be found on one side of the political spectrum.
On June 18 2016 06:56 Shield wrote: This video reminds me of that one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og You may say it affects Western Europe in general, including the UK. What's your view on it?
That is the stupidest youtube video I've ever watched. It's literally trying to beg the question
"so, given that Israel has a wall and oppresses Palestinians, who are the real racists, Hitler or the Jews?"
No, still Hitler. Always Hitler.
I think anti-racist Hitler could be replaced by anyone from far left. Israel in video could be any country from Western Europe. That's how I understand it at least.
How I understand it is that an unchanged Hitler wakes up in 2016 and wants to destroy the Jews. He then decides that the real racists in 2016 are the liberals who are seeking the destruction of races through mixed breeding, integration and tolerance. Then, whenever they question his policies to destroy the Jews he goes "I'm just being tolerant and liberal, you're not a racist are you? Because if you disagree with me you must be a racist".
Like I said, one of the stupidest videos I've ever seen.
There are, indeed, political parties, from the far left, that openly oppose mixed race. One of their main argument is that we first "need to love ourselves" : due to "colonialism", the relationship between a white and a black, or an arab, cannot be motivated entirely by love and must reproduce, in some way, the domination that exist at the global level. So the relationship between a black or an arab with a white is, to them, some form of cultural destruction / appropriation. That's a logical step when you think in terms of culture and when you believe that cultural assimilation / integration is a violent process.
I never said all the idiots can be found on one side of the political spectrum.
Of course, I was just saying Shield's argument makes sense to me. The video is shit tho.
Field Marshal Lord Guthrie: Why I now back the Leave campaign
What has changed his mind? It is his anxiety about a growing EU role in defence, leading to a European Army. ‘I think a European Army could damage NATO. It is expensive. It’s unnecessary duplication to have it. It would appeal to some euro vanity thing.’
Lord Guthrie believes that the EU’s ‘endgame’ is ‘to have an army which is really controlled by Brussels and they would eventually prefer no country to have a veto on what we do.
The European Union needs its own army to face up to Russia and other threats, as well as to restore the bloc’s standing around the world, EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker told a German newspaper yesterday (8 March).
Arguing that NATO was not enough because not all members of the transatlantic defence alliance are in the EU, Juncker said a common EU army would send important signals to the world.
“A joint EU army would show the world that there would never again be a war between EU countries,” Juncker told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper. “Such an army would also help us to form common foreign and security policies and allow Europe to take on responsibility in the world.”
Juncker said a common EU army could serve as a deterrent and would have been useful during the Ukraine crisis.
“With its own army, Europe could react more credibly to the threat to peace in a member state or in a neighbouring state,” he said.
“One wouldn’t have a European army to deploy it immediately. But a common European army would convey a clear message to Russia that we are serious about defending our European values.”
What has changed his mind? It is his anxiety about a growing EU role in defence, leading to a European Army. ‘I think a European Army could damage NATO. It is expensive. It’s unnecessary duplication to have it. It would appeal to some euro vanity thing.’
Lord Guthrie believes that the EU’s ‘endgame’ is ‘to have an army which is really controlled by Brussels and they would eventually prefer no country to have a veto on what we do.
The European Union needs its own army to face up to Russia and other threats, as well as to restore the bloc’s standing around the world, EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker told a German newspaper yesterday (8 March).
Arguing that NATO was not enough because not all members of the transatlantic defence alliance are in the EU, Juncker said a common EU army would send important signals to the world.
“A joint EU army would show the world that there would never again be a war between EU countries,” Juncker told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper. “Such an army would also help us to form common foreign and security policies and allow Europe to take on responsibility in the world.”
Juncker said a common EU army could serve as a deterrent and would have been useful during the Ukraine crisis.
“With its own army, Europe could react more credibly to the threat to peace in a member state or in a neighbouring state,” he said.
“One wouldn’t have a European army to deploy it immediately. But a common European army would convey a clear message to Russia that we are serious about defending our European values.”
Juncker needs to be put in prison for his deeds in luxemburg.
Ylva Anna Maria Lindh (19 June 1957 – 11 September 2003), was a Swedish Social Democratic politician, chairman of the Social Democratic Youth League from 1984 to 1990 and a member of parliament from 1982 to 1985 and 1998 to 2003
Lindh was an outspoken campaigner for Sweden to join the Eurozone in the referendum held on 14 September 2003. After the attack, all euro-campaign events were immediately cancelled. Television campaign advertisements were withdrawn, and all TV stations in Sweden halted commercials from the evening on the 10th through the 11th to help the public-service channels of SVT report news. TV3 merged its programming with ZTV and TV8, airing Efterlyst (a program similar to America's Most Wanted) for people to send information directly to the police to help find the murderer. All campaign advertising on billboards was removed and advertising in printed media cancelled. The murder was seen as an attack on Sweden's open society, requiring unity rather than political campaigning.
Following a midday meeting on 12 September by prime minister Göran Persson and the leaders of the other political parties in the Riksdag, the decision was made not to let Lindh's murder affect the referendum. Information and resources on the referendum's issues would be fully available, but no political campaigning or debate would take place. Party leaders unanimously pledged support for the ballot as planned, and to abide by its result. Despite speculation that sympathy for Lindh could influence the voting, the euro was rejected in the referendum. Following her death, junior foreign affairs minister Jan O. Karlsson was appointed acting minister for foreign affairs. In October of that year Laila Freivalds was appointed the successor to Lindh's cabinet post.
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