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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9847 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
Arguments for leaving the EU. You can revive the british fishing industry. You can not pay the EU membership fees, and EU imposed taxes (VAT taxes), and support your own agriculture rather than the failing EU agriculture. You can avoid joining in the failing EU economy with low growth and high youth employment. You'll still have trade with the EU, but at your own therms. Yes the market will have a downturn, but the remain side is lying to you when they are calling it a disaster. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9847 Posts
according to a current press conference by the police.On June 17 2016 01:17 Reaps wrote: Sad news, is there any info on the attacker? It was reported he was heard shouting "Britain first" but has not been confirmed. The police have got the guy who did it, but won't discuss motive yet. Witnesses have said that he was shouting Britain First as he was being arrested, according to The Guardian. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On June 17 2016 01:03 Madkipz wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW0LEtW_6sI Arguments for leaving the EU. You can revive the british fishing industry. You can not pay the EU membership fees, and EU imposed taxes (VAT taxes), and support your own agriculture rather than the failing EU agriculture. You can avoid joining in the failing EU economy with low growth and high youth employment. You'll still have trade with the EU, but at your own therms. Yes the market will have a downturn, but the remain side is lying to you when they are calling it a disaster. The only way UK is going to trade with EU is if they get an agreement similar to Norway, which 1) Is highly unlikely. The deal is almost certainly going to be pretty terrible for the UK as the EU will want to emphasize that leaving is not beneficial and after all the UK needs access to the EU-market more than the other way around. 2) Means they have to live up to EU-regulations with zero influence over the policies implemented. EDIT: On June 17 2016 00:37 Maenander wrote: A rise of hooliganism, assassination attempts, right-wing terrorism. This is what all the fear-mongering in Europe has brought us to. It seems like rational discourse is a thing of the past. Let's not pretend that left-wingers are innocent in this. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
Thomas Mair, 46, started volunteering at the park after learning about the opportunity through the Mirfield-based Pathways Day Centre for adults with mental health problems. He said: "I can honestly say it has done me more good than all the psychotherapy and medication in the world. "Many people who suffer from mental illness are socially isolated and disconnected from society, feelings of worthlessness are also common mainly caused by long-term unemployment. "All these problems are alleviated by doing voluntary work. "Getting out of the house and meeting new people is a good thing, but more important in my view is doing physically demanding and useful labour. "When you have finished there is a feeling of achievement which is emotionally rewarding and psychologically fulfilling. "For people for whom full-time, paid employment is not possible for a variety of reasons, voluntary work offers a socially positive and therapeutic alternative." http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Oakwell Hall thriving with help of volunteers.-a0227735906 his age and year of the article indicate that this is likely the same person | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9847 Posts
Politicians in the UK of all political persuasions expose themselves when they do this and some have mentioned feeling threatened before at meetings like this, yet they continue to do so because they (in general) believe in what they are doing and genuinely want to represent the public in parliament. Jo Cox died during a necessary act of pure democracy. Such a shame, and a waste of someone that has been unanimously described as a compassionate politician and energetic and principled campaigner. *Please be respectful and don't try to twist this into a political argument.* | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6274 Posts
On June 17 2016 01:40 Ghostcom wrote: The only way UK is going to trade with EU is if they get an agreement similar to Norway, which 1) Is highly unlikely. The deal is almost certainly going to be pretty terrible for the UK as the EU will want to emphasize that leaving is not beneficial and after all the UK needs access to the EU-market more than the other way around. 2) Means they have to live up to EU-regulations with zero influence over the policies implemented. EDIT: Let's not pretend that left-wingers are innocent in this. In addition the importance of London as the financial centre of Europe will reduce. Maybe not immediatly but over the long term.for sure. | ||
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warding
Portugal2395 Posts
On June 17 2016 01:03 Madkipz wrote: Arguments for leaving the EU. You can revive the british fishing industry. While on the other hand severely damaging the banking, tech and the export industries? Besides, you can't agree on a trade deal with the EU if you don't agree on the fishing quotas with the EU, which pretty much leaves you in the same situation. You can not pay the EU membership fees, and EU imposed taxes (VAT taxes), and support your own agriculture rather than the failing EU agriculture. UK's net contribution is 8bn GBP. UK's GDP is 1 883 bn GBP. So you're saving 0.4% of your GDP. I've seen estimates of up to 3pp. of GDP cost for leaving the EU - you may not believe that number but, in any case, it's very likely to be higher than 0.4%. You can avoid joining in the failing EU economy with low growth and high youth employment. Sweden was growing at 4% in 2015. The unemployment in Germany is 4.5%. I fail to see how belonging in the EU damages the growth and unemployment prospects a country has, especially when it doesn't belong in the Eurozone. If anything it boosts GDP by having access to a single market, standardisation and freedom of movement. You'll still have trade with the EU, but at your own therms. When a 1.8bn economy negotiates with a 12bn economy who dictates the terms? Yes the market will have a downturn, but the remain side is lying to you when they are calling it a disaster. I'm not sure what your definition of disaster is but: "The poll also found a majority of [British economists] – 57% – held the view that a vote for Brexit on 23 June would blow a hole in economic growth, cutting GDP by more than 3% over the next five years. Just 5% thought that there would probably be a positive impact." http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron Sounds pretty bad. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6641 Posts
On June 17 2016 01:40 Ghostcom wrote: The only way UK is going to trade with EU is if they get an agreement similar to Norway, which 1) Is highly unlikely. The deal is almost certainly going to be pretty terrible for the UK as the EU will want to emphasize that leaving is not beneficial and after all the UK needs access to the EU-market more than the other way around. 2) Means they have to live up to EU-regulations with zero influence over the policies implemented. EDIT: Let's not pretend that left-wingers are innocent in this. The UK is Germany's biggest export market, it's definitely in their interest to come to an agreement, getting a Norway style deal is pretty much the worst case scenario and it's basically the same as what we have now. Edit: ok it's not the worst case scenario but it's the most likely worst case scenario | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On June 17 2016 03:16 jello_biafra wrote: The UK is Germany's biggest export market, it's definitely in their interest to come to an agreement, getting a Norway style deal is pretty much the worst case scenario and it's basically the same as what we have now. Edit: ok it's not the worst case scenario but it's the most likely worst case scenario It's not basically the same as what you have now. It's the same regulations as you have now without any of the influence you currently hold. It's a pretty damn bad scenario, and it is much more likely you get a worse deal as EU is largely tired of the Swiss/Norwegian deals. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6641 Posts
On June 17 2016 03:34 Ghostcom wrote: It's not basically the same as what you have now. It's the same regulations as you have now without any of the influence you currently hold. It's a pretty damn bad scenario, and it is much more likely you get a worse deal as EU is largely tired of the Swiss/Norwegian deals. Difference is that those regulations would now only apply to businesses dealing directly with EU countries instead of to all businesses, and it's not like we have much influence over said regulations at the moment anyway | ||
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warding
Portugal2395 Posts
On June 17 2016 03:40 jello_biafra wrote: Difference is that those regulations would now only apply to businesses dealing directly with EU countries instead of to all businesses, and it's not like we have much influence over said regulations at the moment anyway If the UK decides to create its own regulations akin to the EU directives then it's basically imposing an added cost of compliance for UK businesses, making it costlier to export. It'll also be a cost on EU businesses exporting to the UK, and that will surely be reflected on higher prices. Not to mention the cost of drawing up your own regulation. For that reason it'll make the most economic sense for the UK to continue to follow the EU directives. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14128 Posts
Not saying its not a dumb move for the British as it'll almost sure-idly guarantee a Scottish independence vote and send the entire economy into freefall until all the trade deals are renegotiated but its not like the British are not holding a ton of cards in any trade negotiation with the EU. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On June 17 2016 04:43 Sermokala wrote: The Problem with the EU isn't the north/central Germanic nations and France but all the fringe states that got in under false pretenses. The EU will have incentives to minimize trade with the UK in order to not disrupt already fragile situations in these outer states. Not saying its not a dumb move for the British as it'll almost sure-idly guarantee a Scottish independence vote and send the entire economy into freefall until all the trade deals are renegotiated but its not like the British are not holding a ton of cards in any trade negotiation with the EU. The issue with EU is the mission-creep that was introduced by the "ever closing union". The trade union in itself is fine, the perceived (whether factual or not) progression towards United States of Europe is not. | ||
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