EPTthe reason for any housing price increase is the increasing disparity between big city and rural/countryside economic growth. it's not population that drives housing price but high paying jobs in a concentration / foreign dirty cash.
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oneofthem
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the reason for any housing price increase is the increasing disparity between big city and rural/countryside economic growth. it's not population that drives housing price but high paying jobs in a concentration / foreign dirty cash. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4416 Posts
On June 15 2016 01:38 Jockmcplop wrote: I enjoy living in a multicultural society. Anyone who votes tory and then complains about low wages blaming the EU needs shooting. There are plenty of ways to get wages up. Leaving the EU and wrecking our economy in the process isn't one of them. The sheer scale of the uncertainty surrounding our currency would be enough to counter any other good done by leaving. If we want higher wages and lower rents we need to build more houses and invest in skills training, not leave the EU, that's just a daft solution to a manageable problem. The tories have absolutely no interest in closing the wealth gap, low wages and high rents are what they are all about. Leaving the EU just gives them more power to make it worse. Well England overtook the Netherlands to become the most densely populated major country in Europe a couple years back.Add this to the fact that today the UK is a net importer of food.According to the guardian it imports around 50% of it's feed and food now. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jan/06/more-than-half-of-uks-food-sourced-from-abroad-study-finds So build more houses for these 330,000 a year.Gonna need to import more food.Going to eventually need to rezone agricultural land to residential.Thats not even touching on the water demand.You really need to start thinking about the sustainability of what you are supporting here. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4416 Posts
On June 15 2016 02:53 oneofthem wrote: ^how is it that depressed wages would lead to higher house prices? the reason for any housing price increase is the increasing disparity between big city and rural/countryside economic growth. it's not population that drives housing price but high paying jobs in a concentration / foreign dirty cash. When a dozen Eastern Europeans are living in a rented house they don't need to earn as much as a couple living in a similar place.This depresses wages.The prices increase due to supply and demand, due to the huge number of immigrants who are willing to share flats with more people in an attempt to lower the cost per person. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On June 15 2016 13:33 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Well England overtook the Netherlands to become the most densely populated major country in Europe a couple years back.Add this to the fact that today the UK is a net importer of food.According to the guardian it imports around 50% of it's feed and food now. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jan/06/more-than-half-of-uks-food-sourced-from-abroad-study-finds So build more houses for these 330,000 a year.Gonna need to import more food.Going to eventually need to rezone agricultural land to residential.Thats not even touching on the water demand.You really need to start thinking about the sustainability of what you are supporting here. 92% of UK land is green land completely untouched, there is enough to support millions more people if houses are built on it. As for food and water it really doesn't matter if we import most of it, Britain is not going to be blockaded and unable to import, any War involving Britain and another country powerful enough to blockade us would result in a nuclear war and in that situation there is more to worry about than where are we going to get the food. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On June 15 2016 13:39 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: When a dozen Eastern Europeans are living in a rented house they don't need to earn as much as a couple living in a similar place.This depresses wages.The prices increase due to supply and demand, due to the huge number of immigrants who are willing to share flats with more people in an attempt to lower the cost per person. Do you have any proof to back up your claim? For example, I live on my own, but can you prove your point about Eastern Europeans? if not, I think you just talk bullshit like Nigel Farage. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On June 16 2016 02:53 xM(Z wrote: i can prove his point about eastern europeans living X in a flat; especially those working in constructions. Any credible news article? The rest is just words. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9847 Posts
On June 15 2016 13:33 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Well England overtook the Netherlands to become the most densely populated major country in Europe a couple years back.Add this to the fact that today the UK is a net importer of food.According to the guardian it imports around 50% of it's feed and food now. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jan/06/more-than-half-of-uks-food-sourced-from-abroad-study-finds So build more houses for these 330,000 a year.Gonna need to import more food.Going to eventually need to rezone agricultural land to residential.Thats not even touching on the water demand.You really need to start thinking about the sustainability of what you are supporting here. You're very much stretching your logic now. As someone pointed out above, there's plenty of room for more houses. Of course we do need to get immigration under control, but you don't gt rid of a headache by removing your head. The damage that will be done by leaving the EU will far outweigh the benefits if you ask me. Of course this is all opinion, facts are impossible to come by on either side of the argument due to the amount of lies and propaganda. I'm not saying staying in the EU has no drawbacks. In my opinion its a completely corrupt system as it currently works, but I would rather be part of the group of countries that helped to create a better world by fighting for a fairer EU than just say fuck everything because i'm pissed about it. Of course, the vote will probably go in favour of leaving because its much easier to appeal to xenophobia and fear than reason and good sense. The worst thing about all of this is how Labour have allowed the tories to turn the whole debate into a vile festival of lies and personal insults. No wonder people hate politicians these days. All of them, pretty much without exception, have acted like children fighting over candy, and Corbyn's 'gentler politics' are nowhere to be seen. Gentle politics shouldn't be about sitting back and letting morons dominate everything with lies, it should be about fighting fairly for a better world and talking honestly about issues. | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
On June 16 2016 03:35 Shield wrote: Any credible news article? The rest is just words. here you go http://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2015/feb/26/english-housing-survey-2015-in-charts https://www.pwc.co.uk/assets/pdf/ukeo-section3-housing-market-july-2015.pdf there are plenty of credible articals that state that house prices are rising because of the short supply in the housing market. Because of the rising house prices most people at the ages around 20-35 are now renting. this includes europeans, whilst there are no European specific stats it's clear that a lot of people coming from europe rent single rooms or if they bring family/kids a rent houses / get council houses.. this drives the housing prices up. I'll note that this is not just due to europeans. this is also due to the fact that we haven't built enough houses over the last 15 and council housing has been sold off to private landlords who are now turning them in to rentals I've been shopping for a house and i've been renting for the last 5 years.. it's a serious problem in the UK right now.. unless you have rich parents who can give you a deposit or you have a wicked job and save like a bitch, you won't be able to afford a house. the rental cycle is pretty sick.. the house i am renting has 5 people in it, that equates to about 2.5-7k a month for the owners, they have already brought 2 other houses, thus the competition on the new houses that come up is high between landlords and other private owners / investors. this means the average new buyer simply can't compete vs an investor. anyway i hope that helps you understand. heres a documentary by dispatches on part of the problem.. http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/on-demand/62665-001 | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4416 Posts
On June 16 2016 03:37 Jockmcplop wrote: You're very much stretching your logic now. As someone pointed out above, there's plenty of room for more houses. Of course we do need to get immigration under control, but you don't gt rid of a headache by removing your head. The damage that will be done by leaving the EU will far outweigh the benefits if you ask me. Of course this is all opinion, facts are impossible to come by on either side of the argument due to the amount of lies and propaganda. I'm not saying staying in the EU has no drawbacks. In my opinion its a completely corrupt system as it currently works, but I would rather be part of the group of countries that helped to create a better world by fighting for a fairer EU than just say fuck everything because i'm pissed about it. Of course, the vote will probably go in favour of leaving because its much easier to appeal to xenophobia and fear than reason and good sense. The worst thing about all of this is how Labour have allowed the tories to turn the whole debate into a vile festival of lies and personal insults. No wonder people hate politicians these days. All of them, pretty much without exception, have acted like children fighting over candy, and Corbyn's 'gentler politics' are nowhere to be seen. Gentle politics shouldn't be about sitting back and letting morons dominate everything with lies, it should be about fighting fairly for a better world and talking honestly about issues. On the contrary it's leave i think who have been running a more positive campaign.Remain has been terribly negative. Remain support collapsing in Scotland, down 13% since April. http://stv.tv/news/politics/1357445-stv-poll-leave-campaign-gaining-ground-in-scotland/ | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9847 Posts
On June 16 2016 06:50 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: On the contrary it's leave i think who have been running a more positive campaign.Remain has been terribly negative. Remain support collapsing in Scotland, down 13% since April. http://stv.tv/news/politics/1357445-stv-poll-leave-campaign-gaining-ground-in-scotland/ Both sides have been ridiculously negative. World War 3, an invasion of evil Turkish people, terrorist refugees, economic collapse, the whole thing has been a ridiculous sideshow from the beginning. Nuanced debate in the public realm is dead. | ||
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oneofthem
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Melliflue
United Kingdom1389 Posts
On June 16 2016 11:04 oneofthem wrote: am i reading this right. actual uk inhabitants blaming cheap migrant labor for london real estate price. People tend to blame immigrants for everything they don't like. I have heard people blame immigrants for rising house prices, for increasing traffic, for unemployment, for low wages, and so on. It's 'nice' to believe that your problems are caused by other people, and it is easy for politicians to pander to that, so anger towards immigrants is common in most countries, at least in my experience. On June 16 2016 06:54 Jockmcplop wrote: Both sides have been ridiculously negative. World War 3, an invasion of evil Turkish people, terrorist refugees, economic collapse, the whole thing has been a ridiculous sideshow from the beginning. Nuanced debate in the public realm is dead. Both sides have been terrible but I find it interesting that only the Leave campaign is being very vocal about how negative their opponents are, and I think that has led to this impression that the Remain campaign is more negative than the Leave campaign. It does seem very hypocritical to me though that the Leave campaign attacks the Remain campaign for being negative while simultaneously focusing on negative things. The only positive things I have heard them talk about don't seem inherently positive to me. For example, their talk about reducing red tape is being stated as if it is obviously a desirable thing, but that red tape is mostly about worker rights, product safety standards, and environmental protection. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4416 Posts
On June 16 2016 19:25 Melliflue wrote: People tend to blame immigrants for everything they don't like. I have heard people blame immigrants for rising house prices, for increasing traffic, for unemployment, for low wages, and so on. It's 'nice' to believe that your problems are caused by other people, and it is easy for politicians to pander to that, so anger towards immigrants is common in most countries, at least in my experience. Both sides have been terrible but I find it interesting that only the Leave campaign is being very vocal about how negative their opponents are, and I think that has led to this impression that the Remain campaign is more negative than the Leave campaign. It does seem very hypocritical to me though that the Leave campaign attacks the Remain campaign for being negative while simultaneously focusing on negative things. The only positive things I have heard them talk about don't seem inherently positive to me. For example, their talk about reducing red tape is being stated as if it is obviously a desirable thing, but that red tape is mostly about worker rights, product safety standards, and environmental protection. Bank of England report released last December agreed that immigration suppressed wages.Page 25, see for yourself.It's hardly a stretch to see why it is so. http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/research/Documents/workingpapers/2015/swp574.pdf And remain think people like the war criminal Tony Blair, Brown, Geldoff, Cameron are going to change peoples minds? These people are loathed.Have someone more down to earth put forward a positive message and the polls wouldn't have gone so bad. | ||
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