UK Politics Mega-thread - Page 91

On June 18 2016 07:28 Shield wrote:


Isn't this how it is in Europe at the moment though? Open borders, white British people are minority in London, etc. If you take a figurative view of that video, you may see it's similar. I'm not saying the video is exclusively for the UK though. I think it's not about Israel at all. I believe it's about monolithic societies in Europe in general.

On June 18 2016 19:52 Maenander wrote:
It's funny that the Eurosceptics and Nationalists are complaining about the ineffectiveness and the lack of democracy in the EU, when the petty individual interests of the member states and their governments, i.e. eurosceptic and nationalist tendencies, are the major reasons for the current sorry state of affairs.

I hope Britain leaves. It won't solve any of the nation's true problems, but at least the people can no longer make Brussels the scapegoat for anything and everything, and it might trigger some desperately needed changes both in the EU and in the UK.

On June 18 2016 23:36 maartendq wrote:

I'm actually curious who the main advocates of a Brexit, i.e. those dependent on low-skilled labour, will blame after it turns out that not being part of the EU did not change their problems one single bit. On the contrary, Brexit will probably make matters worse for them because some businesses are bound to leave for other shores.

Then there's Scotland who will demand to have another independence referendum because they are largely pro-EU.

I'm actually curious who the main advocates of a Brexit, i.e. those dependent on low-skilled labour

On June 18 2016 22:22 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Well technically they are a minority now, white british in London is 49%.
Heaps of Eastern Europeans doing the lower paid hospitality work.
I was there last year.

On June 19 2016 05:37 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:

This makes absolutely no sense, it is the other way around.

On June 17 2016 04:07 warding wrote:

If the UK decides to create its own regulations akin to the EU directives then it's basically imposing an added cost of compliance for UK businesses, making it costlier to export. It'll also be a cost on EU businesses exporting to the UK, and that will surely be reflected on higher prices. Not to mention the cost of drawing up your own regulation. For that reason it'll make the most economic sense for the UK to continue to follow the EU directives.

On June 19 2016 08:32 BurningSera wrote:


People need to talk more about regulations rather than the rubbish flying around (i mean on the media here). Since i am involved in the regulatory field, i don't even want to start to think about how much it will cost if we left EU.

The simplest example i just told my housemate is that, imagine X product that you use daily that we imported from certain EU country, and regulation says ok you cant raise the price of X product for more than 0.001-0.005% per year. If we left EU that regulation will not apply to us and then troubles happen, prices raise price drop, competitions come and go, small medium companies will get crushed so hard (they will not be able to see that coming at all), and ultimately common folks (like me) will get affected big time. And the rich? they would have prepared better and even if they had 0 backup plan, everything will be fine for them anyway - at worst, one less holiday beach house this year. And whats the worst thing, we have literally 0 export that any other countries want.

In the past decade you hear people blame everything on immigrants. We don't want to work at McDonald's, we blame foreigners who are willing to take those jobs as 'they come here to take our jobs' (and usually comes with 'and our women', and i won't go into that). so if we actually leave EU (it won't), i would like to see how would people react when £ crash like mad, and maybe then they will stfu about blaming foreigners etc. I am saying this because this is a country where when people see a black man drives a Mercedes they will bat an eye on, up north will be fine with this, but try south england (bar london) you see this so evidently. British need to see that the problems lie deep down in the system but stop blaming foreigners/EU, changes are needed to improve alot of issues in this country - not saying that EU has no issues or influence to this mess, EU will definitely need some changes (to work better with UK and every other countries) after the referendum.

So the bottomline is, i never care about politics, as a common folk who works in the field where money comes from regulations themselves, no changes will affect my job/income anyway - except war and this goddamn UK leaving EU change. I mean, if you are poor/average, you have no reason to vote leave, because we will not suddenly get a pay raise 'oh because we left EU so we have more money to pay you :D), and if changes will hit us hard (and it will) and no matter what you say about 'oh it is just a temporary pain' i will not want to see all the goddamn prices raise in the next few years; if you are rich (i mean truly rich, like at least half a mil income per annual), i just dont see how/why would you want to vote no, same thing you will need to spend more here and there but that probably doesn't come out from your own pocket, and that money will probably be equal to hiring someone for 1 year, 1 job less, vote leave or stay literally mean 'meh' to the rich.

--When it becomes serious, you have to lie.

--If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue’

--We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back.

--Of course there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact?

--In the very long run, we will need a European army. Because we have to be credible when it comes to foreign policy

--A common European army would convey a clear message to Russia that we are serious about defending our European values.

On June 19 2016 12:17 bardtown wrote:


This is what you're voting for. Not your job. Not some notion of European fraternity. You're voting for a collection of unelected crackpots to continue playing at being big powerful politicians at the expense of the European peoples.

On June 19 2016 16:07 KwarK wrote:
Er, Russia invaded part of the Ukraine contrary to their specific agreements following the fall of the Soviet Union with borders guaranteed by the western nations. Sabre rattling against Russia makes sense in that context. It's not just "hey, look, an enemy, let's distract ourselves". Russia is actually being expansionist and the EU bloc is their rival in that.

On June 19 2016 12:17 bardtown wrote:


There are many thousands of reasons to leave.

You should not look to your own job as justification, either way. It's not a vote about your job. It's a vote about the EU; about the corrupt system that is eroding democracy in Europe.

EU constitution: French people vote NO. Dutch people vote NO. What does the EU do? It renames it to the Lisbon Treaty and doesn't give them another vote. The Irish vote NO to the Lisbon Treaty. So the EU makes them take the vote again, because the reality is that the EU will not let one nation stand in its way. Of course, if referendums had been held in other counties - especially the UK - they would have had to admit that it was not just Ireland who didn't want the Lisbon Treaty, but many other nations.

Everything the EU does relies on the people having no say.

In the words of Juncker, the head of the EU commission: there can be no democratic choice against the European treaties.

Let's take a look at what else this pillar of western democracy has said:



This is what you're voting for. Not your job. Not some notion of European fraternity. You're voting for a collection of unelected crackpots to continue playing at being big powerful politicians at the expense of the European peoples.