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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 09 2017 09:03 GMT
#7021
318 seats with 1 more result due in for Conservatives now. Very hard conservative it seems though so should take us to 319 which is a shame as the 12 seats we lost would have put us in a nice gain of 5! Potential was still there to take a clean up if they didn't shoot themselves in the foot!
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
June 09 2017 09:10 GMT
#7022
i just had a bad feeling as soon as may declared she wouldn't take part in any head to head debates
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 09 2017 09:13 GMT
#7023
Yeah she did bad, the guy she hired for the manifesto did worst. Her charisma is a good -1 out of 10 which i know isn't the point of politicians but boy it helps! I remember listening to Blair during his time and being swept up in all the hype due to how he could talk so well. Look where that got us though :D
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
June 09 2017 09:15 GMT
#7024
BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg says Theresa May is expected to head to Buckingham Palace today to speak to the Queen, "with the understanding she can form a government".

This is a result of conversations that have been taking place with the DUP over the past hours, though it is "not necessarily an attempt to form a formal coalition.

"The DUP have no wish to see Theresa May out of office and no wish to work with Jeremy Corbyn," added Laura.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 09 2017 09:18 GMT
#7025
You know what my dream would be, Queen just says "well actually no, im going to dissolve parliament and im going to run the country myself" !
Lets go back to the days of a ruling monarchy haha
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18206 Posts
June 09 2017 09:38 GMT
#7026
On June 09 2017 16:46 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah there are 4 seats remaining 3 are which conservative seats in cornwall area.

There it is newquay just confirmed conservative taking us to 316. Still should be 2 more easy seats for them taking to 318, then one left in Kensington


Just give me Boris Johnson conservative leader please for the next election as im sure this coalition is only going to last a good 2 years at best, even though im sure unlike the lib dems the Irish contingent going to be no issues at all and just ask for things for there country which they will easily agree too. Still coalitions don't last long surely as it is so hard to force through your agenda's still especially when im sure there is a few conservatives who are disgruntled with May's roboticness and guy she got to make the manifesto xD

Didn't the last time there was a coalition with the Irish asking for "just Irish stuff" contribute to the build-up to WW1 (or generally to the completely chaotic breakdown of diplomacy that preceded it)?

Also, Boris Johnson is the British equivalent of Trump. A bloated loudmouthed ape with troglodyte ideas. He's just marginally more coherent, because being British, he actually does have the best words, instead of just claiming so.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
June 09 2017 09:40 GMT
#7027
UKIP leader has resigned
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12386 Posts
June 09 2017 09:40 GMT
#7028
On June 09 2017 17:47 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 17:07 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On June 09 2017 16:24 FlaShFTW wrote:
On June 09 2017 15:32 Maenander wrote:
On June 09 2017 14:08 Zaros wrote:
On June 09 2017 14:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


So if Corbyn and the Lib Dems ally does that mean she is no longer PM?


No she has a majority with the DUP but she will probably be replaced by another conservative

I am sorry to say so, but the UK election system sucks. Labour and Lib Dems together have a share of 47% of the votes compared to Tories 42%, and yet they have more than 40 seats less.

There are better alternatives out there for ages.

FPTP systems friend. This is why systems that use this gravitate to 2 party systems aka Duverger's Law.

also this image gives me the lols [image loading]

First past the post is such an insult to voters. I don't understand how the people of this Five North East region can feel democratically satisfied. 67.1% of their votes are not heard lol.


It's a relic of times when communicating over long distances was hard, thus you had to locally elect one guy to actually travel there.

Sadly, it seems to be hard to get rid of FPTP for a sensible system. I guess people get used to any bullshit.


I wonder what arguments were used to keep it in that 2011 referendum. It helps nobody but the Tories and they don't have a majority by themselves.
No will to live, no wish to die
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
June 09 2017 09:42 GMT
#7029
honestly that would be the better case if the queen does that....summons some actual capable people to do some actual planning etc...

brexit was an embarrassment, and what this GE showed? more embarrassment. the embarrassment is like you can see so clearly monkeys are running the country.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 09 2017 09:44 GMT
#7030
On June 09 2017 18:38 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 16:46 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah there are 4 seats remaining 3 are which conservative seats in cornwall area.

There it is newquay just confirmed conservative taking us to 316. Still should be 2 more easy seats for them taking to 318, then one left in Kensington


Just give me Boris Johnson conservative leader please for the next election as im sure this coalition is only going to last a good 2 years at best, even though im sure unlike the lib dems the Irish contingent going to be no issues at all and just ask for things for there country which they will easily agree too. Still coalitions don't last long surely as it is so hard to force through your agenda's still especially when im sure there is a few conservatives who are disgruntled with May's roboticness and guy she got to make the manifesto xD

Didn't the last time there was a coalition with the Irish asking for "just Irish stuff" contribute to the build-up to WW1 (or generally to the completely chaotic breakdown of diplomacy that preceded it)?

Also, Boris Johnson is the British equivalent of Trump. A bloated loudmouthed ape with troglodyte ideas. He's just marginally more coherent, because being British, he actually does have the best words, instead of just claiming so.

Lol that was a many long time ago and all they are asking for is a good trade deal that includes Northern Ireland, they are backing TM Conservative party and leadership. So thats a big win for Conservatives.

Boris is great because he is alot cleverer than people give him credit for, he is very tactful and well he is great xD But it looks like that won't happen for another 2-3 years at best anyway as May is going to run the country and do Brexit talks herself for the foreseeable future.
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
June 09 2017 09:46 GMT
#7031
Boris tactful.
Jesus christ Pande.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
June 09 2017 09:54 GMT
#7032
Will the right wing of the Labour cut some slack to Corbyn now? Or do they hate the left so much that they will keep shooting him in the back?
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
June 09 2017 09:56 GMT
#7033
i thought labour had a very united and disciplined campaign. but i think this more of a case that the tories shot themselves in the foot, rather than labour did well
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
June 09 2017 09:57 GMT
#7034
I can't think of a bigger political fuck up in recent memory than May calling a snap election in order to get a stronger majority heading into the biggest talks in UK history and ending up with a hung parliament. What a disaster.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-09 10:01:42
June 09 2017 10:01 GMT
#7035
On June 09 2017 18:42 BurningSera wrote:
honestly that would be the better case if the queen does that....summons some actual capable people to do some actual planning etc...

brexit was an embarrassment, and what this GE showed? more embarrassment. the embarrassment is like you can see so clearly monkeys are running the country.

Embarrassments abound throughout the English-speaking political world, it would seem, though I'd wager that we take the cake on that front, for now at least
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
June 09 2017 10:13 GMT
#7036
On June 09 2017 18:46 Laurens wrote:
Boris tactful.
Jesus christ Pande.

His last paragraph obviously was /s
passive quaranstream fan
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-09 10:33:21
June 09 2017 10:27 GMT
#7037
Well the Boris part might have been but Theresa May will be leading the UK for a good couple more years at least. If not the full term as she was happy to do so before hand before being swayed into this snap election.

But ok maybe Tactful Boris is the wrong wording but he defo isn't stupid and defo does things purposeful (not everything) to gain his publicity etc. Last party election he was cited as not having a chance due to no proper political experience, he is gaining that every passing day now as Foreign Secretary! Has the charisma and people power to pull in other kinds of voters too, maybe even more so to the younger generation which could destroy Labour in areas.
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
June 09 2017 10:43 GMT
#7038
On June 09 2017 19:13 Artisreal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 18:46 Laurens wrote:
Boris tactful.
Jesus christ Pande.

His last paragraph obviously was /s


Doubt it. That was like the 3rd post where he says he wants Boris to lead the country next.

edit: here's the 4th
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-09 10:47:38
June 09 2017 10:45 GMT
#7039
Looks like the most likely occurance would be that the Conservatives form a coalition with the DUP, as neither the Lib Dems or SNP will form a coalition with them. Though the DUP would be wise to remember what happened to the Lib Dems when the had a minority colation with the Conservatives, and whether they truly wanted to part of brexit in the part of the country most staunchly opposed to brexit.

Edit: There's no hope for Boris Johnson. He dropped out of the opportunity to be the current prime minister when David Cameron resigned, and for the same reasons it is unlikely the conservatives will want him back. If he is to be Prime Minister, UK will become a laughing stock on the same level as USA is currently.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
June 09 2017 10:46 GMT
#7040
On June 09 2017 19:45 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Looks like the most likely occurance would be that the Conservatives form a coalition with the DUP, as neither the Lib Dems or SNP will form a coalition with them. Though the DUP would be wise to remember what happened to the Lib Dems when the had a minority colation with the Conservatives, and whether they truly wanted to part of brexit in the part of the country most staunchly opposed to brexit.

the DUP campaigned for leave, but they currently advocate for a soft brexit and no hard border between NI and RoI
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
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