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The gun control argument stops now. I know it's fun to argue about it in the heat of the tragedy when you can get all worked up about it but it's pretty disrespectful and if you don't care enough about the issue to make a separate topic for gun control then you don't care enough to shit on the tragedy by exploiting it. A gun control topic can be found here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313472 Also stop posting links to his facebook. TL will be no part of an unconfirmed witch hunt. | ||
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TheSwedishFan
Sweden608 Posts
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
On December 16 2012 04:17 TheSwedishFan wrote: Why are these kind of events always done by males? Mostly white males? -smashes my head against the wall repeatedly- Do not even get me started, do not even get me started on this... ANYONE is capable of this. Do not demonize white people. Do not demonize ANYONE. These are individual events done by individual people - have you forgotten that Virginia Tech was done by a Korean? Does that mean all Korean males are schizophrenic killers? NO! So just stop. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8111 Posts
On December 16 2012 04:29 tMomiji wrote: -smashes my head against the wall repeatedly- Do not even get me started, do not even get me started on this... ANYONE is capable of this. Do not demonize white people. Do not demonize ANYONE. These are individual events done by individual people - have you forgotten that Virginia Tech was done by a Korean? Does that mean all Korean males are schizophrenic killers? NO! So just stop. Could, but it hasn't. Anyone is capable of doing this, yet not everyone does it. You should never outright deny statistics that could lead somewhere, especially those that are true. (I'm not saying they do, or have any assumptions to follow it up on). Tbh I think a good discussion could be made out of why only males do this, and not females (none that I have heard of as of yet anyways). | ||
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tMomiji
United States1115 Posts
On December 16 2012 05:03 Excludos wrote: Could, but it hasn't. Anyone is capable of doing this, yet not everyone does it. You should never outright deny statistics that could lead somewhere, especially those that are true. (I'm not saying they do, or have any assumptions to follow it up on). Tbh I think a good discussion could be made out of why only males do this, and not females (none that I have heard of as of yet anyways). Okay, you DO have a good point about the male vs female thing, and that could make for a good discussion. However the race thing just drives me absolutely crazy, but I can never talk about it without being called racist... | ||
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Brosy
United States254 Posts
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On December 16 2012 05:32 Brosy wrote: I've been pretty disgusted with how the media just jumped on any rumor regarding the killer and then put it out as some kind of fact. Mistaking the killer, saying that the killers mother was a teacher/connected to the elementary school, etc. I just find it utterly disgusting that media outlets are so focused on be the first to break information that they don't bother to check their facts and then those "journalists" who gave the incorrect information just sort of shrug their shoulders and continue trying to always be the first to break "news" In Sweden, they solve this by not only being the first to report the incorrect information, but then also being the first to debunk the incorrect information (now referred to as "rumor") when it turns out they made it up. 2x big headlines, what more could you wish for... | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On December 16 2012 05:32 Brosy wrote: I've been pretty disgusted with how the media just jumped on any rumor regarding the killer and then put it out as some kind of fact. Mistaking the killer, saying that the killers mother was a teacher/connected to the elementary school, etc. I just find it utterly disgusting that media outlets are so focused on be the first to break information that they don't bother to check their facts and then those "journalists" who gave the incorrect information just sort of shrug their shoulders and continue trying to always be the first to break "news" I was watching CTV news today, a clinical psychologist was pretty shocked that the media were trying to interview 6 year old kids right after the incident; he felt they should have been left alone after going through such a traumatic incident. He was thankful that the state police stopped the news reporters from trying to interview these kids. But I think there is something a but unsettling about how the media approaches these stories in general. At least some media outlets don't seem respectful to the personal needs of the kids, and what they might be going through...all they care about is getting a big, emotional story. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On December 16 2012 05:03 Excludos wrote: Could, but it hasn't. Anyone is capable of doing this, yet not everyone does it. You should never outright deny statistics that could lead somewhere, especially those that are true. (I'm not saying they do, or have any assumptions to follow it up on). Tbh I think a good discussion could be made out of why only males do this, and not females (none that I have heard of as of yet anyways). Its probably far easier for a female with npd to get the attention she feels she needs then a male. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
On December 16 2012 06:10 radscorpion9 wrote: I was watching CTV news today, a clinical psychologist was pretty shocked that the media were trying to interview 6 year old kids right after the incident; he felt they should have been left alone after going through such a traumatic incident. He was thankful that the state police stopped the news reporters from trying to interview these kids. But I think there is something a but unsettling about how the media approaches these stories in general. At least some media outlets don't seem respectful to the personal needs of the kids, and what they might be going through...all they care about is getting a big, emotional story. I think a solution would be there should be more public outcry against reporters & news networks that interview these kids and those like them. There is a lack of public shaming and what happens become easily forgotten the next day. To make the public aware that this is just not right would require media help...  | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On December 16 2012 05:32 Brosy wrote: I've been pretty disgusted with how the media just jumped on any rumor regarding the killer and then put it out as some kind of fact. Mistaking the killer, saying that the killers mother was a teacher/connected to the elementary school, etc. I just find it utterly disgusting that media outlets are so focused on be the first to break information that they don't bother to check their facts and then those "journalists" who gave the incorrect information just sort of shrug their shoulders and continue trying to always be the first to break "news" When I watch live news I just come to terms with the fact that a lot of the early reports are going to be filled with rumor and speculation. There is so much chaos going on the ground there that it's impossible to immediately find the answers that people are looking for. If I wanted the most accurate information I would just find something else to do and read about the story in a day or two when the facts are out. As they say, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can get the news fast with a lot of misinformation or you can wait and get a more accurate report. I think that is a pretty fair choice. | ||
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Brosy
United States254 Posts
On December 16 2012 06:22 BlackJack wrote: When I watch live news I just come to terms with the fact that a lot of the early reports are going to be filled with rumor and speculation. There is so much chaos going on the ground there that it's impossible to immediately find the answers that people are looking for. If I wanted the most accurate information I would just find something else to do and read about the story in a day or two when the facts are out. As they say, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can get the news fast with a lot of misinformation or you can wait and get a more accurate report. I think that is a pretty fair choice. So you're perfectly ok with professionals passing on hear-say as fact without proper screening of the information? And then not caring if their misinformation damages other people who aren't involved? I view it as completely unprofessional and something that we, as a society shouldn't be ok with. Passing on rumors that pertain to a tragedy for the sake of drawing in higher viewership numbers is terribly unethical. | ||
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
On December 16 2012 04:17 TheSwedishFan wrote: Why are these kind of events always done by males? Mostly white males? http://hunteremkay.com/2011/11/famous-women-mass-murderers-in-recent-history/ Oh yea, racist ban plz. | ||
KwarK
United States42959 Posts
On December 16 2012 07:10 guN-viCe wrote: http://hunteremkay.com/2011/11/famous-women-mass-murderers-in-recent-history/ Oh yea, racist ban plz. Women who commit multiple murders are an uncommon factor in history, so the list is shorter compared to that of the male gender. Second line of your own link. | ||
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
what a shitty tragedy. to me, as the facts stand now, it still makes no sense why someone would do such a thing. he must have been so far gone down a dark path to consciously make the decisions that he did. i am so sorry for the friends and family of those children. i hope this never happens again. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On December 16 2012 07:14 KwarK wrote: Second line of your own link. The first poster used the word 'always'. Uncommon it may be, but it's not always men indeed. | ||
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Timmsh
Netherlands201 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On December 16 2012 06:46 Brosy wrote: So you're perfectly ok with professionals passing on hear-say as fact without proper screening of the information? And then not caring if their misinformation damages other people who aren't involved? I view it as completely unprofessional and something that we, as a society shouldn't be ok with. Passing on rumors that pertain to a tragedy for the sake of drawing in higher viewership numbers is terribly unethical. I rarely see them reporting hearsay as fact. They say things like "allegedly" and "sources say" and "early reports" and all kinds of other bullshit terms. You just have to consider the source. Cable news is one step above tabloid journalism, I don't demand professional journalism from them any more than I demand a 4-star meal from McDonalds. | ||
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sorrowptoss
Canada1431 Posts
On December 16 2012 07:28 Timmsh wrote: They openly said on our news report, here in the Netherlands, that it's strange that only white males are doing these shootings. Yes, but their sex and their skin color are totally irrelevant to the act. What does it change? The problem absolutely does not lie there. My condolences to the families of the deceased. What a tragic way to lose a loved one. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8111 Posts
On December 16 2012 07:47 sorrowptoss wrote: Yes, but their sex and their skin color are totally irrelevant to the act. What does it change? The problem absolutely does not lie there. My condolences to the families of the deceased. What a tragic way to lose a loved one. If we can find somekind of applyable reason as to why males do this and so few females, we could help prevent this in the future. That said, I'm honestly unsure if there is one. I think its just that our brains are wired different. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
I don't wanna live on this planet anymore | ||
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