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The gun control argument stops now. I know it's fun to argue about it in the heat of the tragedy when you can get all worked up about it but it's pretty disrespectful and if you don't care enough about the issue to make a separate topic for gun control then you don't care enough to shit on the tragedy by exploiting it. A gun control topic can be found here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313472Also stop posting links to his facebook. TL will be no part of an unconfirmed witch hunt. |
On December 15 2012 19:36 Sea_Food wrote:
If Ryan Lanza is the brother of Adam Lanza, its pretty weird that he only cared about people mistaking him as the shooter, instead of the fact that hes brother just shot himself, bunch of kids and hes mother.
Being mistaken for a guy that killed a bunch of kids could quite easily result in him being killed too. He's actually showing quite a bit of logic getting that cleared up asap.
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He was a regular at a shooting range, dragged by his wonderful mother
but hey, blame the videogames
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On December 15 2012 19:36 Sea_Food wrote:
If Ryan Lanza is the brother of Adam Lanza, its pretty weird that he only cared about people mistaking him as the shooter, instead of the fact that hes brother just shot himself, bunch of kids and hes mother.
It's very possible that there are multiple Ryan Lanza's, I personally have an extremely weird surname, and there are at least three people who share my full name, I don't think the actual brother is in the position to be posting facebook messages about it, I think i read somewhere he was in police custody being questioned.
p.s. my deepest condolences to those involved.
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I wish the identity of the killer was not the hottest topic every time something like this happens. Its better he remains a faceless coward, rather than a notorious monster that can inspire others. But ofcourse we can't expect people to leave it alone, we all love our monsters.
Horrible tragedy, words cannot express.
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On December 15 2012 18:24 Shebuha wrote:Wow, are those people serious? "Ban Mass Effect!" "A murderer liked your game, think on what you have done." "Anonymous should take out Mass Effect's website." Personally, I am gonna do my part and stop using Colgate toothpaste because I heard the shooter used it that morning. Get real.
I wish there was the same reaction to the specific rounds and weapons that the killer used and the avenues that he recieved the materials that directly helped him commit the crime instead, at least that follows some logic.
"Boycott the person who sold this weapon to him with out checking mental background"
"Anonymous should take out the sites of people who did the processing to allow this person to acquire a weapon."
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Guns obviously do not kill people, people do, and if for example our solution is to ban guns in order to stop killing we never address the problem that is the individual who did it and why he did it... instead we piss off some people who like guns and would never hurt anyone... At the same time if a crazy persons wants to kill, he or she will find a way no matter wat.. This type of external problem solving has never proven to work... (for example war on drugs burning of land to stop growing drugs) such methods never work yet we keep using why?, Is this the best we can come up with? It seems so...
We never stop taking time to understand why people do it, people don't just become crazy there are reasons for it and if we don't understand these we can't solve it... gun control/ban is patch work... I see this as a psychological issue rather then a material one...
on a side note: From my Observation it seems these emotional reactions to such events are rather arbitrary right. Because every moment someone dies, by gun, by malnutrition, by a crazy person.. by anything... and we don't care... Out of sight out of mind.. and when it appears in our sight we don't want to look at the problem we want to have a quick solution so we can move on with life... that is my general perception how people, singular and in groups want to deal with such serious problems.
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This is so sad, i'm chocked this shit keeps happening!
TV needs to focus on victims and ways to stop this from happening, instead of the who's, why's etc.. This fuels ideas for other psycos out there!
Violence and guns are so mainstream in the USA, that people will forget this ASAP. The bigger problem is that it happened before and will probably happen again if nothing is changed... I don't know what to do, but make it stop!
I don't think there was ever any shooting done at any school in my country, lets keep this way for ever please!
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On December 15 2012 20:18 Saji wrote:
Guns obviously do not kill people, people do, and if for example our solution is to ban guns in order to stop killing we never address the problem that is the individual who did it and why he did it... instead we piss off some people who like guns and would never hurt anyone... At the same time if a crazy persons wants to kill, he or she will find a way no matter wat.. This type of external problem solving has never proven to work... (for example war on drugs burning of land to stop growing drugs) such methods never work yet we keep using why?, Is this the best we can come up with? It seems so...
We never stop taking time to understand why people do it, people don't just become crazy there are reasons for it and if we don't understand these we can't solve it... gun control/ban is patch work... I see this as a psychological issue rather then a material one...
on a side note: From my Observation it seems these emotional reactions to such events are rather arbitrary right. Because every moment someone dies, by gun, by malnutrition, by a crazy person.. by anything... and we don't care... Out of sight out of mind.. and when it appears in our sight we don't want to look at the problem we want to have a quick solution so we can move on with life... that is my general perception how people, singular and in groups want to deal with such serious problems.
As far as I can tell, he's broken the following laws:
-Stealing the guns, as they belong to his mother
-Unlawful possession on two accounts: He's not old enough, and he has a history of mental illness. Both legally barring him from having guns.
-Carrying them in and of it self is a crime in CT
-Carrying/having guns at a school is illegal
-Shooting children and other innocent people is obviously horrifically illegal.
We had a similar scenario occur in Norway last year, where more than twice the number of kids were killed. We have very strict gun control, and murder rates are very low here in general. This killer made a bomb and shot a bunch of kids. He was looking into buying guns illegally from another country, and he also obtained the bomb ingredients by illegal means.
In the words of Penn and Teller: You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws-that's insane!
The solutions have to be along the lines of prevention and intervention in these individuals. Also stronger enforcement of existing laws. Preparation on the schools side is also a good idea. I'd feel much better knowing that at least 30% of the teachers had gone through an extensive training course and carried weapons in school.
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I hope he burns in hell, mental illness or not, there is no excuse for something of this magnitude to happen.
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On December 15 2012 17:39 fight_or_flight wrote:Show nested quote +8:06 p.m.: Vance, speaking to CNN's Soledad O'Brien, says they'll be processing the crime scene until Sunday and that the bodies of the children and adults killed remain in the school where they fell, and will still be there until Sunday. Parents have not been allowed to see the bodies of their children. "We will leave no stone unturned" in pursuit of answering the questions of how and why this happened, says Vance. At this time he would not confirm the name of the shooter or whether he had "a personality disorder" or "a mental disorder." http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/12/newtown-connecticut-school-shooting/59999/ Wtf? The shooter is dead. Why are they not removing the bodies? It seems kind of sick for not to remove the bodies from the place they were murdered for days, while their families are not allowed to see them and mourn. The only evidence they are collecting is gory pictures and super detailed murder descriptions so they can feed the sordid details to the media and congress. I can't believe what they are doing. Think about what's happening right now. There are cold bloody bodies draped over desks and piled on top of each other in the classroom right now. The killer is dead. They are taking pictures, looking at the bodies, who knows what the hell they're doing. This is really f*cked up. Think about what they are doing.
Yeah, these people investigate crime for a living. How exactly is that "fucked up"? Kind of what happens after a murder.
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I bet any day now they will find a copy of a GTA game in his house among 30 other games and pin the blame on the game.
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This just disgust me.. I can't even begin to think about what kind of person who would go on a killing spree in a fucking kindergarten :/
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On December 15 2012 16:19 Sea_Food wrote:
There are humans who do bad things to others for the sake of being evil that animals are not known to do. They only kill for food or exersice or other gains like that.
So when a young pack of lions kill the older males to mate with the females why do they kill the younglings of the old ones?
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On December 15 2012 21:17 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 16:19 Sea_Food wrote:
There are humans who do bad things to others for the sake of being evil that animals are not known to do. They only kill for food or exersice or other gains like that. So when a young pack of lions kill the older males to mate with the females why do they kill the younglings of the old ones?
Eliminate potential competition. Birds do this too.
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On December 15 2012 20:56 Nausea wrote:
I bet any day now they will find a copy of a GTA game in his house among 30 other games and pin the blame on the game.
No need. They pinned the fault at mass effect because his brother "liked" it on facebook. Its not only disgusting that people would do something like this, but also that people try to lay the fault wherever they can, connection or no.
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Respect, kindness and understanding for each other is what we need. Some comments in this thread show that there are quite some people lacking that...
If we want to prevent such things, we should start at ourself
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Another tragedy  Right before/ during the holidays too... x.x
Shooter's mother is a teacher at the school, she is among the victims.
Sigh.
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On December 15 2012 21:29 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 21:17 Ottoxlol wrote:On December 15 2012 16:19 Sea_Food wrote:
There are humans who do bad things to others for the sake of being evil that animals are not known to do. They only kill for food or exersice or other gains like that. So when a young pack of lions kill the older males to mate with the females why do they kill the younglings of the old ones? Eliminate potential competition. Birds do this too.
iirc the main reason they kill cubs of other males is because it takes a lioness something around 2 years to raise a cub,during the time they won't mate with anyone.Male lions can't wait for so long because they are at risk to loose their pack,not sure how long a average lion holds the position but it's quite a short time frame.
So yea they kill because they need to mate asap and can't just wait in line till the lioness raises the cubs of a former mate.
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Glad to see this thread is now about lions mating >.>
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On December 15 2012 22:43 Paperplane wrote:
Glad to see this thread is now about lions mating >.>
A male lion can mate with a single lioness hundreds of times over the span of a few days when she is in heat. And there can be 10+ females in a pride. I'm beginning to understand why the males mostly just lay around all day. It's not laziness, it's exhaustion.
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