The gun control argument stops now. I know it's fun to argue about it in the heat of the tragedy when you can get all worked up about it but it's pretty disrespectful and if you don't care enough about the issue to make a separate topic for gun control then you don't care enough to shit on the tragedy by exploiting it. A gun control topic can be found here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313472
Also stop posting links to his facebook. TL will be no part of an unconfirmed witch hunt.
On December 15 2012 20:10 Crushinator wrote: I wish the identity of the killer was not the hottest topic every time something like this happens. Its better he remains a faceless coward, rather than a notorious monster that can inspire others. But ofcourse we can't expect people to leave it alone, we all love our monsters.
Horrible tragedy, words cannot express.
Cant agree more,
They want their 15 min of fame and for their name to go around. Better to not give them the attention and let them be known as "that guy"
8:06 p.m.: Vance, speaking to CNN's Soledad O'Brien, says they'll be processing the crime scene until Sunday and that the bodies of the children and adults killed remain in the school where they fell, and will still be there until Sunday. Parents have not been allowed to see the bodies of their children. "We will leave no stone unturned" in pursuit of answering the questions of how and why this happened, says Vance. At this time he would not confirm the name of the shooter or whether he had "a personality disorder" or "a mental disorder."
Wtf? The shooter is dead. Why are they not removing the bodies? It seems kind of sick for not to remove the bodies from the place they were murdered for days, while their families are not allowed to see them and mourn. The only evidence they are collecting is gory pictures and super detailed murder descriptions so they can feed the sordid details to the media and congress. I can't believe what they are doing.
Think about what's happening right now. There are cold bloody bodies draped over desks and piled on top of each other in the classroom right now. The killer is dead. They are taking pictures, looking at the bodies, who knows what the hell they're doing. This is really f*cked up. Think about what they are doing.
They're doing their job and trying to figure out what exactly happened, unlike the media you seem to think they're appeasing. Yes it's awful, but it's necessary.
Also: Please stop interviewing kids. Please stop interviewing parents. And please stop telling me ANYTHING about the individual who commited this crime. I don't care who he was and (as a psychologist) I doubt that there is anything valid you can read into him, his background or anything else. This story isn't about him. After a few weeks of grief and sorrow, please lets (seriously!) talk about what we can do to prevent this in the future. Families have suffered enough.
On December 15 2012 23:28 Grumpy wrote: Thoughts are with the families.
Also: Please stop interviewing kids. Please stop interviewing parents. And please stop telling me ANYTHING about the individual who commited this crime. I don't care who he was and (as a psychologist) I doubt that there is anything valid you can read into him, his background or anything else. This story isn't about him. After a few weeks of grief and sorrow, please lets (seriously!) talk about what we can do to prevent this in the future. Families have suffered enough.
This.
Call me crazy, but I think the reason some of these shootings occur (as crazy as this sounds) is because the shooter wants to get some attention.
On December 15 2012 23:28 Grumpy wrote: Thoughts are with the families.
Also: Please stop interviewing kids. Please stop interviewing parents. And please stop telling me ANYTHING about the individual who commited this crime. I don't care who he was and (as a psychologist) I doubt that there is anything valid you can read into him, his background or anything else. This story isn't about him. After a few weeks of grief and sorrow, please lets (seriously!) talk about what we can do to prevent this in the future. Families have suffered enough.
This.
Call me crazy, but I think the reason some of these shootings occur (as crazy as this sounds) is because the shooter wants to get some attention.
I honestly think it was because of the whole world ending thing. He wanted to get his 15 minutes of fame before it all ended. Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if more people did this before the 21st. Messed up society we live in. :/
On December 15 2012 23:28 Grumpy wrote: Thoughts are with the families.
Also: Please stop interviewing kids. Please stop interviewing parents. And please stop telling me ANYTHING about the individual who commited this crime. I don't care who he was and (as a psychologist) I doubt that there is anything valid you can read into him, his background or anything else. This story isn't about him. After a few weeks of grief and sorrow, please lets (seriously!) talk about what we can do to prevent this in the future. Families have suffered enough.
This.
Call me crazy, but I think the reason some of these shootings occur (as crazy as this sounds) is because the shooter wants to get some attention.
I honestly think it was because of the whole world ending thing. He wanted to get his 15 minutes of fame before it all ended. Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if more people did this before the 21st. Messed up society we live in. :/
The idea that 20 children's parents rushed to the school to find that their children had been shot breaks my heart. Nobody deserves that, it's cruel on so many levels.
The media coverage has been pretty disgusting. The way they try to sex up the story as much as possible is terrible and trying to interview the children and starting a witch-hunt against the killers brother, as if he wasn't going through enough already, are just awful. I'm sure they're also all probably using this tragedy to push whatever agenda they have against video games/films/the internet. I hope they get nailed hard by whoever regulates them.
Very sad.. I was banned on the issue of guns , so I wont go there, where any common sense goes.. but After WW2, UssR had half Europe ,but here , In Romania, from '45 till '60 , was that neverending hope that allies (US and UK) will not let us to communism , they will come to save us., so many romanian patriots were keeping guns in the closet , etc. One reason to keep weapons.. I always had high regards , to the US , but , after all, they will kill themselves, they will kill their children, all in the name of protect , protect, protect.. Very sad, again..
On December 16 2012 01:43 Kamate wrote: , to the US , but , after all, they will kill themselves, they will kill their children, all in the name of protect , protect, protect..
Yeah, these are the kind of comments that start shit.
On December 15 2012 20:18 Saji wrote: Guns obviously do not kill people, people do, and if for example our solution is to ban guns in order to stop killing we never address the problem that is the individual who did it and why he did it... instead we piss off some people who like guns and would never hurt anyone... At the same time if a crazy persons wants to kill, he or she will find a way no matter wat.. This type of external problem solving has never proven to work... (for example war on drugs burning of land to stop growing drugs) such methods never work yet we keep using why?, Is this the best we can come up with? It seems so...
We never stop taking time to understand why people do it, people don't just become crazy there are reasons for it and if we don't understand these we can't solve it... gun control/ban is patch work... I see this as a psychological issue rather then a material one...
on a side note: From my Observation it seems these emotional reactions to such events are rather arbitrary right. Because every moment someone dies, by gun, by malnutrition, by a crazy person.. by anything... and we don't care... Out of sight out of mind.. and when it appears in our sight we don't want to look at the problem we want to have a quick solution so we can move on with life... that is my general perception how people, singular and in groups want to deal with such serious problems.
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There will always be some crazy bastards. Hoping you can prevent that these people exist is not realistic, but it is very possible to limit the distribution/availability of weapons to decrease the chance of such event occuring. This would however require a major shift in mindset in the US i guess.
May be we should start arming and training little children in weapon usage so they can defend themselfs in such a scenario? Doesn't this sound crazy? Because that is exactly the argument the gun lobby uses point out why guns are necessary for safety...
On December 15 2012 20:18 Saji wrote: Guns obviously do not kill people, people do, and if for example our solution is to ban guns in order to stop killing we never address the problem that is the individual who did it and why he did it... instead we piss off some people who like guns and would never hurt anyone... At the same time if a crazy persons wants to kill, he or she will find a way no matter wat.. This type of external problem solving has never proven to work... (for example war on drugs burning of land to stop growing drugs) such methods never work yet we keep using why?, Is this the best we can come up with? It seems so...
We never stop taking time to understand why people do it, people don't just become crazy there are reasons for it and if we don't understand these we can't solve it... gun control/ban is patch work... I see this as a psychological issue rather then a material one...
on a side note: From my Observation it seems these emotional reactions to such events are rather arbitrary right. Because every moment someone dies, by gun, by malnutrition, by a crazy person.. by anything... and we don't care... Out of sight out of mind.. and when it appears in our sight we don't want to look at the problem we want to have a quick solution so we can move on with life... that is my general perception how people, singular and in groups want to deal with such serious problems.
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Why did he get banned for this? Some TL Mods shouldn't be mods at all.
On December 15 2012 20:18 Saji wrote: Guns obviously do not kill people, people do, and if for example our solution is to ban guns in order to stop killing we never address the problem that is the individual who did it and why he did it... instead we piss off some people who like guns and would never hurt anyone... At the same time if a crazy persons wants to kill, he or she will find a way no matter wat.. This type of external problem solving has never proven to work... (for example war on drugs burning of land to stop growing drugs) such methods never work yet we keep using why?, Is this the best we can come up with? It seems so...
We never stop taking time to understand why people do it, people don't just become crazy there are reasons for it and if we don't understand these we can't solve it... gun control/ban is patch work... I see this as a psychological issue rather then a material one...
on a side note: From my Observation it seems these emotional reactions to such events are rather arbitrary right. Because every moment someone dies, by gun, by malnutrition, by a crazy person.. by anything... and we don't care... Out of sight out of mind.. and when it appears in our sight we don't want to look at the problem we want to have a quick solution so we can move on with life... that is my general perception how people, singular and in groups want to deal with such serious problems.
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Why did he get banned for this? Some TL Mods shouldn't be mods at all.
On December 16 2012 01:43 Kamate wrote: , to the US , but , after all, they will kill themselves, they will kill their children, all in the name of protect , protect, protect..
Yeah, these are the kind of comments that start shit.
On December 16 2012 03:55 trinxified wrote: So, will Ryan Lanza (brother of killer who was at first suspected) be able to sue the media for incorrect information?
He was arrested, in connection with the case then released as they wanted to question him. Im pretty sure won't be any compensation to answer for.
Also, the Police seem to have wrapped this case up pretty quickly which is very good on their part. They will be released it as soon as they can. What i get from it so far;
He Kills his mother Somehow links to the school Goes to the school Kills as many in the school as he can (and someone he wanted too as well) Kills himself
Interested to see what the verdict is on this case, and why he did what he did, it seems very extreme that kids could of done anything to make him do what he did.
Apparently someone at Bioware has the same name as the shooter or the mistaken name the news gave to the public and he had his social media pages filled with thousands of angry horribly hate filled messages. I know this is a tragedy but that does not excuse the mindless hate that follows. It was obviously not the same person, the shooter died at the scene, and the ages were way off.
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