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The gun control argument stops now. I know it's fun to argue about it in the heat of the tragedy when you can get all worked up about it but it's pretty disrespectful and if you don't care enough about the issue to make a separate topic for gun control then you don't care enough to shit on the tragedy by exploiting it.
A gun control topic can be found here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313472

Also stop posting links to his facebook. TL will be no part of an unconfirmed witch hunt.
Locke-
Profile Joined December 2011
499 Posts
December 15 2012 05:12 GMT
#681
This is tragic.
Also, the people's reaction to rumor and false news is disgusting: http://mashable.com/2012/12/14/mass-effect-facebook-shooting/
Meatex
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia285 Posts
December 15 2012 05:23 GMT
#682
EA probably pissing themselves laughing over the facebook attacks
Its only helping them

Yes it was a tragedy but
Friends and family of the victims should be the only people giving condolences
Really it baffles me why unrelated people feel the need to declare their feelings as if to say I don't really care but I can't let people think im not a good person *barf
Really, why is real cheese so hard to come by in Korea? ^&^
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
December 15 2012 05:26 GMT
#683
On December 15 2012 14:12 Locke- wrote:
This is tragic.
Also, the people's reaction to rumor and false news is disgusting: http://mashable.com/2012/12/14/mass-effect-facebook-shooting/

Seriously, the man should sue for libel, he'd probably win
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
December 15 2012 05:27 GMT
#684
On December 15 2012 14:06 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 12:24 Gardel wrote:
On December 15 2012 12:05 ControlMonkey wrote:
Human beings are animals.


Lol, not even close. Do animals kill their own sons? do animals murder other animals ? ( except for feeding purposes, which is totally natural?? I dont think so, we are worse than animals.

Animals kill each other outside of feeding purposes, certain animals rape each other as well. No animal develops techniques to help each other on the scale of say a doctor.

No matter how cute it might be to throw out a blanket statement of animals being better then humans, they really are not.


Animals can be symbiotic, i.e. "being a doctor" for material gain.

They can also be fooled into doing stuff for no gain, like raising a cuckoo chick, by abusing their instincts. Which is the same as human altruism.
Everyone left over is a member of the OP race and you have to figure out which one of them is the least OP. - CosmicSpiral
DanceSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States751 Posts
December 15 2012 05:36 GMT
#685
Can you imagine what it must be like for the parents? These were young kids, the parents easily in their 20's-30's, maybe even single child in most cases. Children of that age do not have any form of ID on them, they would need to take the parents into the rooms to identify them. T___T just the thought of what they are going through right now is almost unbearable
Dance.943 || "I think he's just going to lose. There's only so many ways you can lose. And he's going to make some kind of units. And I'm going to attack him, and then all his stuff is going to die. That's about the best prediction that I can make" - NonY
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
December 15 2012 06:08 GMT
#686
Some info about the shooter:

Adam Lanza of Newtown, Connecticut was a child of the suburbs and a child of divorce who at age 20 still lived with his mother.
This morning he appears to have started his day by shooting his mother Nancy in the face, and then driving to nearby Sandy Hook Elementary School armed with at least two handguns and at least one semi-automatic rifle.
There, before turning his gun on himself, he shot and killed 20 children, who President Obama later described as between five and 10 years of age. Six adults were also killed at the school. Nancy Lanza was found dead in her home.
A relative told ABC News that Adam was "obviously not well."
Family friends in Newtown also described the young man as troubled and described Nancy as very rigid. "[Adam] was not connected with the other kids," said one friend.
State and federal authorities believe his mother may have once worked at the elementary school where Adam went on his deadly rampage, although she was not a teacher, according to relatives, perhaps a volunteer.
Nancy and her husband Peter, Adam's father, divorced in 2009. When they first filed for divorce in 2008, a judge ordered that they participate in a "parenting education program."
Peter Lanza, who drove to northern New Jersey to talk to police and the FBI, is a vice president at GE Capital and had been a partner at global accounting giant Ernst & Young.
Adam's older brother Ryan Lanza, 24, has worked at Ernst & Young for four years, apparently following in his father's footsteps and carving out a solid niche in the tax practice. He too was interviewed by the FBI. Neither he nor his father is under any suspicion.
"[Ryan] is a tax guy and he is clean as a whistle," a source familiar with his work said.
Police had initially identified Ryan as the killer. Ryan sent out a series of Facebook posts saying it wasn't him and that he was at work all day. Video records as well as card swipes at Ernst & Young verified his statement that he had been at the office.
Investigators are looking into whether Adam Lanza was carrying his older brother Ryan's identification at the time of the shooting, which may have caused the confusion. Neither Adam nor Ryan has any known criminal history.

http://gma.yahoo.com/connecticut-shooter-adam-lanza-obviously-not-well-182011729--abc-news-topstories.html
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 06:39:56
December 15 2012 06:35 GMT
#687
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He sure as hell did not look like someone who would go on a murder spree. Terrible tragedy indeed.

And regarding the mass effect incident, what's really fucking awful is that a innocent person got pinned as the actual murderer by a TV network.
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FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
December 15 2012 06:45 GMT
#688
On December 15 2012 14:23 Meatex wrote:
EA probably pissing themselves laughing over the facebook attacks
Its only helping them

Yes it was a tragedy but
Friends and family of the victims should be the only people giving condolences
Really it baffles me why unrelated people feel the need to declare their feelings as if to say I don't really care but I can't let people think im not a good person *barf


Um. Some people are more empathetic than others, clearly. Sometimes people feel pain of others even if it is not necessarily the pain of others within a specific family or social circle. Sometimes people simply feel the pain of strangers, yet still feel compelled to send that stranger well wishes -- not to play the part of acting nice, but to genuinely act nice, empathetic, and compassionate. The feelings may rub off and lift the spirits of those who need it more. Who are you to judge when it is appropriate for a person to grieve with another?
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
December 15 2012 07:19 GMT
#689
On December 15 2012 14:27 Solarsail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 14:06 bo1b wrote:
On December 15 2012 12:24 Gardel wrote:
On December 15 2012 12:05 ControlMonkey wrote:
Human beings are animals.


Lol, not even close. Do animals kill their own sons? do animals murder other animals ? ( except for feeding purposes, which is totally natural?? I dont think so, we are worse than animals.

Animals kill each other outside of feeding purposes, certain animals rape each other as well. No animal develops techniques to help each other on the scale of say a doctor.

No matter how cute it might be to throw out a blanket statement of animals being better then humans, they really are not.


Animals can be symbiotic, i.e. "being a doctor" for material gain.

They can also be fooled into doing stuff for no gain, like raising a cuckoo chick, by abusing their instincts. Which is the same as human altruism.

I dont get that last part. Im pretty sure humans can help each other even if they are not fooled to do iy.t.

Only animals i know that willingly sacrfise thenselves are ants and other insects like that. But they bearly have a brain so using the term willingly is also pretty stupid.

There are humans who do bad things to others for the sake of being evil that animals are not known to do. They only kill for food or exersice or other gains like that. Still overall i would rate human high above animals in terms of being "good"
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10682 Posts
December 15 2012 07:27 GMT
#690
Oh my god wow......... God bless those little children and there parents this is absolutely ridiculous...makes me so upset...I am going to say a very long prayer tonight for these people...God bless the childrens souls and there families... this is so heartbreaking...sick sinister fucks to do something like this, but to little children in an elementary school, REALLY? REALLY? Jesus christ what has the world come to.
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DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
December 15 2012 07:38 GMT
#691
I held my daughter so much closer tonight when I got home after hearing this. She isnt old enough to go to school yet. But with how often sick freaks shoot up the most defenseless places these days, I am strongly considering doing some type of part time or full time homeschooling.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Holy_AT
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 08:19:30
December 15 2012 07:48 GMT
#692
Compassion is irrelevant, it wont help the dead, nor will it help the next victims of the next shootings unless there is change. Change in the form of strict laws because there wont be any other change that would show any effect.
Or has it become part of our society like the blood sports in old rome ? How many dead ? Who is dead ? Any pictures ? Oh the poor relatives and friends must be suffering! How could this have happened ? Who was the shooter ? What were his motives ? How was his child hood ? Which weapons did he use ? What was his exact day ? What did he have for breakfast ?
What is the timeline of the shooting ?
It is becoming a media spectacle in which people thrive on the compassion and the horrible crime. They chat about it and post on facebook or do other stuff that doesnt really matter in the end, it wont help victims nor will it prevent anything. Its a spectacle like a theater where only the emotion counts because the spectacle itself is pure fiction and show and nobody really cares about the suffering and the situation itself. They go on their little moral crusade pointing out how bad everyone else is and saying how bad the shootings are but not drawing any real concequences in thinking how to prevent such things in the furture and act on them.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
December 15 2012 08:37 GMT
#693
This is just horrible. Don't kill children Or anyone for that matter.
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
December 15 2012 08:39 GMT
#694
On December 15 2012 09:47 Domus wrote:
At some point I would expect a serious debate both in politics and in society in general in the USA about why these events happen so often. It can't just be the guns, there are other countries where guns are allowed. It might be cultural, a side effect of a society that has become too individualized or self-centered. Or it might be the way mental healthcare is setup, how hard or easy it is to get people treated for serious mental disorders, etc. I don't claim to have any answers since I don't live in the USA, but I am sure that within the USA there are some bright minds who can take a good look at what needs to be done to prevent this from occurring. When there are so many events such as this, you can no longer speak of incidents and it is time to take action.

By the way, you don't solve this problem by trying to prevent someone from shooting people. You should think why there are people in the USA who think in a way that it is ok to do something like this, and why these people still walk around freely without medical care.


I have thought about this carefully for years now. My answer is that it's complicated. It's not one thing, but many things. Rather than derail the thread and upset people, send me a private message and I'll give you my conclusion and details.
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 08:46:20
December 15 2012 08:39 GMT
#695
8:06 p.m.: Vance, speaking to CNN's Soledad O'Brien, says they'll be processing the crime scene until Sunday and that the bodies of the children and adults killed remain in the school where they fell, and will still be there until Sunday. Parents have not been allowed to see the bodies of their children. "We will leave no stone unturned" in pursuit of answering the questions of how and why this happened, says Vance. At this time he would not confirm the name of the shooter or whether he had "a personality disorder" or "a mental disorder."

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/12/newtown-connecticut-school-shooting/59999/

Wtf? The shooter is dead. Why are they not removing the bodies? It seems kind of sick for not to remove the bodies from the place they were murdered for days, while their families are not allowed to see them and mourn. The only evidence they are collecting is gory pictures and super detailed murder descriptions so they can feed the sordid details to the media and congress. I can't believe what they are doing.

Think about what's happening right now. There are cold bloody bodies draped over desks and piled on top of each other in the classroom right now. The killer is dead. They are taking pictures, looking at the bodies, who knows what the hell they're doing. This is really f*cked up. Think about what they are doing.
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Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
December 15 2012 09:24 GMT
#696
On December 15 2012 14:12 Locke- wrote:
This is tragic.
Also, the people's reaction to rumor and false news is disgusting: http://mashable.com/2012/12/14/mass-effect-facebook-shooting/

Wow, are those people serious?
"Ban Mass Effect!"
"A murderer liked your game, think on what you have done."
"Anonymous should take out Mass Effect's website."
Personally, I am gonna do my part and stop using Colgate toothpaste because I heard the shooter used it that morning. Get real.
odeSSa
Profile Joined November 2009
Sweden198 Posts
December 15 2012 09:58 GMT
#697
We obviously need more guns to stop this kind of acts!

User was warned for this post
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
December 15 2012 10:10 GMT
#698
On December 15 2012 16:19 Sea_Food wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 14:27 Solarsail wrote:
On December 15 2012 14:06 bo1b wrote:
On December 15 2012 12:24 Gardel wrote:
On December 15 2012 12:05 ControlMonkey wrote:
Human beings are animals.


Lol, not even close. Do animals kill their own sons? do animals murder other animals ? ( except for feeding purposes, which is totally natural?? I dont think so, we are worse than animals.

Animals kill each other outside of feeding purposes, certain animals rape each other as well. No animal develops techniques to help each other on the scale of say a doctor.

No matter how cute it might be to throw out a blanket statement of animals being better then humans, they really are not.


Animals can be symbiotic, i.e. "being a doctor" for material gain.

They can also be fooled into doing stuff for no gain, like raising a cuckoo chick, by abusing their instincts. Which is the same as human altruism.

I dont get that last part. Im pretty sure humans can help each other even if they are not fooled to do iy.t.

Only animals i know that willingly sacrfise thenselves are ants and other insects like that. But they bearly have a brain so using the term willingly is also pretty stupid.

There are humans who do bad things to others for the sake of being evil that animals are not known to do. They only kill for food or exersice or other gains like that. Still overall i would rate human high above animals in terms of being "good"

Certain types of monkey's can give their own food to another monkey if it looks like he needs it with seemingly no self benefit (there's been control studies of this). Not that I'm sure how this relate to this thread. Human's and animal's alike are capable of good and bad. There's not surprise here. Arguing who is better than the other seems kind of pointless.
ClanRH.TV
Profile Joined July 2010
United States462 Posts
December 15 2012 10:17 GMT
#699
On December 15 2012 13:38 Elurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 11:23 ETisME wrote:
he probably just want to drag as many deaths as he could before he kills himself
Did the thought of killing children even pause him a while I wonder


It's not like he woke up today, ate breakfast, and suddenly thought, "huh, Ima go kill some little kids at my mom's school." It's premeditated. He even shot his own mother in her face. I wonder if he just couldn't stand not getting attention he wanted from everyone, and acted out in a blaze of glory. Killing kids is more impactful, especially the young ones. To paint in a very broad brush, this guy was an extremist attention whore.



Well you certainly don't have anything to base this on. Chances are this isn't true and it was the result of a severe mental disorder.
"Don't take life too seriously because you'll never get out alive."
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
December 15 2012 10:36 GMT
#700
If Ryan Lanza is the brother of Adam Lanza, its pretty weird that he only cared about people mistaking him as the shooter, instead of the fact that hes brother just shot himself, bunch of kids and hes mother.
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