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The gun control argument stops now. I know it's fun to argue about it in the heat of the tragedy when you can get all worked up about it but it's pretty disrespectful and if you don't care enough about the issue to make a separate topic for gun control then you don't care enough to shit on the tragedy by exploiting it. A gun control topic can be found here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313472Also stop posting links to his facebook. TL will be no part of an unconfirmed witch hunt. |
On December 15 2012 09:47 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 09:43 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:35 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:30 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Welcome to the internet?
Ah you're one of "those" guys :D makes sense now  Yes, one of "those" guys. I like to actually think something through a bit before I say it, and definitely before I call it common sense. You must be one of "those" guys that has a knee-jerk response every time something happens. You obviously didnt think much when you felt the need to say "Welcome to the internet" because you could not think of reply. Try harder next time. Try harder? Your suggestion to put police in elementary schools is daft. Do you even realize that a single police officer won't do much more than protect his/her own ass? A panic button in every classroom would make more sense, and cost less money. There, I spent 20 sec. thinking of a response that might be to your fancy. The diffrence between a panic button and an actual policeman would be the policeman would already be right near the scene, as with a panic button it would take time for the police to get there. Surely it is not hard to understand? I'm still waiting for why my suggestion is "daft". The only daft thing is your comment about the policeman only protecting himself when police all over the world put themselves in danger every single day.
It's dumb because there are 100,000 public schools in the US. And a single police officer is not going to stop these guys who are armed to the teeth and wear bulletproof vests and military gear.
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On December 15 2012 10:17 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 09:47 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:43 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:35 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:30 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Welcome to the internet?
Ah you're one of "those" guys :D makes sense now Yes, one of "those" guys. I like to actually think something through a bit before I say it, and definitely before I call it common sense. You must be one of "those" guys that has a knee-jerk response every time something happens. You obviously didnt think much when you felt the need to say "Welcome to the internet" because you could not think of reply. Try harder next time. Try harder? Your suggestion to put police in elementary schools is daft. Do you even realize that a single police officer won't do much more than protect his/her own ass? A panic button in every classroom would make more sense, and cost less money. There, I spent 20 sec. thinking of a response that might be to your fancy. The diffrence between a panic button and an actual policeman would be the policeman would already be right near the scene, as with a panic button it would take time for the police to get there. Surely it is not hard to understand? I'm still waiting for why my suggestion is "daft". The only daft thing is your comment about the policeman only protecting himself when police all over the world put themselves in danger every single day. It's not we don't understand, it's because we know it's ineffective and waste of resources. If every school there is a single armed security is stationed, those maniacs will just go for them first with ease. Your suggestion is a daft.
Ah yeah i forgot, a 10 year old unarmed kid has more of a chance fighting of a maniac than a arm guard has. ok i am daft. Your right!
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On December 15 2012 10:19 Chylo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 09:47 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:43 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:35 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:30 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Welcome to the internet?
Ah you're one of "those" guys :D makes sense now Yes, one of "those" guys. I like to actually think something through a bit before I say it, and definitely before I call it common sense. You must be one of "those" guys that has a knee-jerk response every time something happens. You obviously didnt think much when you felt the need to say "Welcome to the internet" because you could not think of reply. Try harder next time. Try harder? Your suggestion to put police in elementary schools is daft. Do you even realize that a single police officer won't do much more than protect his/her own ass? A panic button in every classroom would make more sense, and cost less money. There, I spent 20 sec. thinking of a response that might be to your fancy. The diffrence between a panic button and an actual policeman would be the policeman would already be right near the scene, as with a panic button it would take time for the police to get there. Surely it is not hard to understand? I'm still waiting for why my suggestion is "daft". The only daft thing is your comment about the policeman only protecting himself when police all over the world put themselves in danger every single day. It's dumb because there are 100,000 public schools in the US. And a single police officer is not going to stop these guys who are armed to the teeth and wear bulletproof vests and military gear.
Do you even know what happens when someone is shot with a bulletproof vest? They go down, if the bullet has not gone through and killed them they would be serously hurt or unconscious.
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On December 15 2012 09:51 Klipsys wrote:
I dont understand why they cuffed ryan? Was he involved?
I don't believe they arrested him, I think they just brought him in for questioning, which is standard when something like this happens. They questioned his dad as well, and I assume any friends/girlfriend they can find.
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On December 15 2012 10:21 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:19 Chylo wrote:On December 15 2012 09:47 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:43 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:35 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:30 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Welcome to the internet?
Ah you're one of "those" guys :D makes sense now Yes, one of "those" guys. I like to actually think something through a bit before I say it, and definitely before I call it common sense. You must be one of "those" guys that has a knee-jerk response every time something happens. You obviously didnt think much when you felt the need to say "Welcome to the internet" because you could not think of reply. Try harder next time. Try harder? Your suggestion to put police in elementary schools is daft. Do you even realize that a single police officer won't do much more than protect his/her own ass? A panic button in every classroom would make more sense, and cost less money. There, I spent 20 sec. thinking of a response that might be to your fancy. The diffrence between a panic button and an actual policeman would be the policeman would already be right near the scene, as with a panic button it would take time for the police to get there. Surely it is not hard to understand? I'm still waiting for why my suggestion is "daft". The only daft thing is your comment about the policeman only protecting himself when police all over the world put themselves in danger every single day. It's dumb because there are 100,000 public schools in the US. And a single police officer is not going to stop these guys who are armed to the teeth and wear bulletproof vests and military gear. Do you even know what happens when someone is shot with a bulletproof vest? They go down, if the bullet has not gone through and killed them they would be serously hurt or unconscious.
Not really, if using handgun ammo, even without armor people can be resilient against it
I'd also like to add that gun control isn't the issue behind this, it's the mental stability of people. If people could be treated for underlying mental issues, lots of situations like these could be prevented.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On December 15 2012 10:21 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:19 Chylo wrote:On December 15 2012 09:47 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:43 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:35 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:30 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Welcome to the internet?
Ah you're one of "those" guys :D makes sense now Yes, one of "those" guys. I like to actually think something through a bit before I say it, and definitely before I call it common sense. You must be one of "those" guys that has a knee-jerk response every time something happens. You obviously didnt think much when you felt the need to say "Welcome to the internet" because you could not think of reply. Try harder next time. Try harder? Your suggestion to put police in elementary schools is daft. Do you even realize that a single police officer won't do much more than protect his/her own ass? A panic button in every classroom would make more sense, and cost less money. There, I spent 20 sec. thinking of a response that might be to your fancy. The diffrence between a panic button and an actual policeman would be the policeman would already be right near the scene, as with a panic button it would take time for the police to get there. Surely it is not hard to understand? I'm still waiting for why my suggestion is "daft". The only daft thing is your comment about the policeman only protecting himself when police all over the world put themselves in danger every single day. It's dumb because there are 100,000 public schools in the US. And a single police officer is not going to stop these guys who are armed to the teeth and wear bulletproof vests and military gear. Do you even know what happens when someone is shot with a bulletproof vest? They go down, if the bullet has not gone through and killed them they would be serously hurt or unconscious.
They don't always go down, maybe you don't know, but in the past there were fire fights that has happened between police and criminal with vest. The criminal just wouldn't go down despite multiple officers has successfully hit the criminal with handguns.
Multiple people already pointed out it's stupid idea, if you still fail to see it, you're just a fool.
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.... Two incidents regarding children dying. WTF
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My god :/ I woke up hearing about this. It's so tragic when these things happen  My condolences to all the families.
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On December 15 2012 09:47 Reaps wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 09:43 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:35 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:30 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Welcome to the internet?
Ah you're one of "those" guys :D makes sense now Yes, one of "those" guys. I like to actually think something through a bit before I say it, and definitely before I call it common sense. You must be one of "those" guys that has a knee-jerk response every time something happens. You obviously didnt think much when you felt the need to say "Welcome to the internet" because you could not think of reply. Try harder next time. Try harder? Your suggestion to put police in elementary schools is daft. Do you even realize that a single police officer won't do much more than protect his/her own ass? A panic button in every classroom would make more sense, and cost less money. There, I spent 20 sec. thinking of a response that might be to your fancy. The diffrence between a panic button and an actual policeman would be the policeman would already be right near the scene, as with a panic button it would take time for the police to get there. Surely it is not hard to understand? I'm still waiting for why my suggestion is "daft". The only daft thing is your comment about the policeman only protecting himself when police all over the world put themselves in danger every single day.
1). Too expensive. Police on guard duty charge more (construction sites pay a lot for their traffic constables). You would actually need more than one police officer to provide realistic protection for an entire school and its faculty, as well. Two would be a minimum (male & female) to provide protection against say, child predators who hide in bathrooms - a much more common threat.
2). Takes police away from actual police work. Unless you're suggesting adding even more police to fill the deficit of allocating thousands of cops to thousands of schools to basically sit around.
3). Elementary schools aren't the only target to choose from. Comparable incidents have occurred at high schools, colleges & universities, a movie theater and most likely other places I've missed. Your suggestion needs to account for all possible targets - basically anywhere. I'm sure police have enough of a presence in our day to day lives as it stands.
4). There are alternatives to plopping police in schools to provide peace of mind. Peace of mind can be achieved in different ways, such as training staff for these situations, improving response times of SWAT / Hostage Rescue by having special alarms (surely a fire alarm isn't the only type of alarm that's useful), and maybe reinforced doors with privacy windows and emergency exits on classroom windows JiC.
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such a tragedy...
obviously the gunman had some severe mental health issues.. should be alarming that mental health is so under appreciated that it can degrade to these levels..
sorry for everyone involved.
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On December 15 2012 10:46 Destro wrote:
such a tragedy...
obviously the gunman had some severe mental health issues.. should be alarming that mental health is so under appreciated that it can degrade to these levels..
sorry for everyone involved.
People like more tangible things to point fingers at as opposed to mental health, it's always happened like this
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On December 15 2012 10:29 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:21 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 10:19 Chylo wrote:On December 15 2012 09:47 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:43 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:35 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:30 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Welcome to the internet?
Ah you're one of "those" guys :D makes sense now Yes, one of "those" guys. I like to actually think something through a bit before I say it, and definitely before I call it common sense. You must be one of "those" guys that has a knee-jerk response every time something happens. You obviously didnt think much when you felt the need to say "Welcome to the internet" because you could not think of reply. Try harder next time. Try harder? Your suggestion to put police in elementary schools is daft. Do you even realize that a single police officer won't do much more than protect his/her own ass? A panic button in every classroom would make more sense, and cost less money. There, I spent 20 sec. thinking of a response that might be to your fancy. The diffrence between a panic button and an actual policeman would be the policeman would already be right near the scene, as with a panic button it would take time for the police to get there. Surely it is not hard to understand? I'm still waiting for why my suggestion is "daft". The only daft thing is your comment about the policeman only protecting himself when police all over the world put themselves in danger every single day. It's dumb because there are 100,000 public schools in the US. And a single police officer is not going to stop these guys who are armed to the teeth and wear bulletproof vests and military gear. Do you even know what happens when someone is shot with a bulletproof vest? They go down, if the bullet has not gone through and killed them they would be serously hurt or unconscious. They don't always go down, maybe you don't know, but in the past there were fire fights that has happened between police and criminal with vest. The criminal just wouldn't go down despite multiple officers has successfully hit the criminal with handguns. Multiple people already pointed out it's stupid idea, if you still fail to see it, you're just a fool.
Which is why nowadays police are getting more and more weapons with armor penetration, which isn't to say that we should have police at every school with long guns.
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How did he get killed in the end?
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On December 15 2012 10:53 Depetrify wrote:
How did he get killed in the end?
iirc he shot himself
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On December 15 2012 10:29 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:21 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 10:19 Chylo wrote:On December 15 2012 09:47 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:43 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:35 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:30 dUTtrOACh wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 Reaps wrote:On December 15 2012 09:15 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Welcome to the internet?
Ah you're one of "those" guys :D makes sense now Yes, one of "those" guys. I like to actually think something through a bit before I say it, and definitely before I call it common sense. You must be one of "those" guys that has a knee-jerk response every time something happens. You obviously didnt think much when you felt the need to say "Welcome to the internet" because you could not think of reply. Try harder next time. Try harder? Your suggestion to put police in elementary schools is daft. Do you even realize that a single police officer won't do much more than protect his/her own ass? A panic button in every classroom would make more sense, and cost less money. There, I spent 20 sec. thinking of a response that might be to your fancy. The diffrence between a panic button and an actual policeman would be the policeman would already be right near the scene, as with a panic button it would take time for the police to get there. Surely it is not hard to understand? I'm still waiting for why my suggestion is "daft". The only daft thing is your comment about the policeman only protecting himself when police all over the world put themselves in danger every single day. It's dumb because there are 100,000 public schools in the US. And a single police officer is not going to stop these guys who are armed to the teeth and wear bulletproof vests and military gear. Do you even know what happens when someone is shot with a bulletproof vest? They go down, if the bullet has not gone through and killed them they would be serously hurt or unconscious. They don't always go down, maybe you don't know, but in the past there were fire fights that has happened between police and criminal with vest. The criminal just wouldn't go down despite multiple officers has successfully hit the criminal with handguns. Multiple people already pointed out it's stupid idea, if you still fail to see it, you're just a fool.
This is ridiculous to argue about. If a policeman is stationed somewhere the people in that location are safer I think we can agree on that. Sitting at home on our computers we can think of all kinds of specifics and what-ifs but a murderer like this is not going to think everything through and any safety precautions in their way could save lives. I have a police officer stationed in my high school with a gun at his side all day even though my school district is (WAY) in debt and planning to lay off good teachers next year even though we're already understaffed.
As a side note I think I should add that it probably hurts like hell to get hit with a bullet even through a vest and at the very least the gunman would be suppressed since in many cases (like this one) someone working in the office of the school could see the person coming in and put the school in "lock-down" thus alerting the officer. And I thought we had a lot of theory-crafting in the strat section this is just silly.
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[QUOTE]On December 15 2012 11:01 Maxd11 wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 15 2012 10:29 furymonkey wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 15 2012 10:21 Reaps wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 15 2012 10:19 Chylo wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 15 2012 09:47 Reaps wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 15 2012 09:43 dUTtrOACh wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 15 2012 09:35 Reaps wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 15 2012 09:30 dUTtrOACh wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 15 2012 09:15 Reaps wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 15 2012 09:15 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Welcome to the internet?
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Ah you're one of "those" guys :D makes sense now [/QUOTE]
Yes, one of "those" guys. I like to actually think something through a bit before I say it, and definitely before I call it common sense. You must be one of "those" guys that has a knee-jerk response every time something happens.[/QUOTE]
You obviously didnt think much when you felt the need to say "Welcome to the internet" because you could not think of reply.
Try harder next time.[/QUOTE]
Try harder? Your suggestion to put police in elementary schools is daft. Do you even realize that a single police officer won't do much more than protect his/her own ass? A panic button in every classroom would make more sense, and cost less money. There, I spent 20 sec. thinking of a response that might be to your fancy.[/QUOTE]
The diffrence between a panic button and an actual policeman would be the policeman would already be right near the scene, as with a panic button it would take time for the police to get there. Surely it is not hard to understand?
I'm still waiting for why my suggestion is "daft".
The only daft thing is your comment about the policeman only protecting himself when police all over the world put themselves in danger every single day.
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It's dumb because there are 100,000 public schools in the US. And a single police officer is not going to stop these guys who are armed to the teeth and wear bulletproof vests and military gear.
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Do you even know what happens when someone is shot with a bulletproof vest? They go down, if the bullet has not gone through and killed them they would be serously hurt or unconscious.[/QUOTE]
They don't always go down, maybe you don't know, but in the past there were fire fights that has happened between police and criminal with vest. The criminal just wouldn't go down despite multiple officers has successfully hit the criminal with handguns.
Multiple people already pointed out it's stupid idea, if you still fail to see it, you're just a fool.[/QUOTE]
This is ridiculous to argue about. If a policeman is stationed somewhere the people in that location are safer I think we can agree on that. Sitting at home on our computers we can think of all kinds of specifics and what-ifs but a murderer like this is not going to think everything through and any safety precautions in their way could save lives. I have a police officer stationed in my high school with a gun at his side all day even though my school district is (WAY) in debt and planning to lay off good teachers next year even though we're already understaffed.
As a side note I think I should add that it probably hurts like hell to get hit with a bullet even through a vest and at the very least the gunman would be suppressed since in many cases (like this one) someone working in the office of the school could see the person coming in and put the school in "lock-down" thus alerting the officer. And I thought we had a lot of theory-crafting in the strat section this is just silly.[/QUOTE]
+1 hence why i stopped replying. Cant have a discussion when everyone is gonna say "what if" this or "what if" that.
Lets just hope they do something.
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And, the one in China today too >.< .. Was a bomb threat near my highschool yesterday. They found a dead body not too far from the dummy grenade, what is this world coming too?
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China and this? Wow this week kinda sucks :/
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On December 15 2012 11:03 Reaps wrote:
+1 hence why i stopped replying. Cant have a discussion when everyone is gonna say "what if" this or "what if" that.
Lets just hope they do something.
And here I typed up something for the benefit of everybody. BTW... What if we had police in the schools?
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What a travesty...how on earth would you ever explain to your kid that their friends at school won't be coming back next week?
Just terrible
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