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The gun control argument stops now. I know it's fun to argue about it in the heat of the tragedy when you can get all worked up about it but it's pretty disrespectful and if you don't care enough about the issue to make a separate topic for gun control then you don't care enough to shit on the tragedy by exploiting it.
A gun control topic can be found here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313472

Also stop posting links to his facebook. TL will be no part of an unconfirmed witch hunt.
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 00:24:40
December 15 2012 00:21 GMT
#621
What logic brings a man to shoot people, let alone children?

such a depressing story and my heart goes out to those hurt by this unforgivable crime.
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
December 15 2012 00:21 GMT
#622
On December 15 2012 09:08 PaqMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 09:02 dUTtrOACh wrote:
On December 15 2012 08:50 Reaps wrote:
On December 15 2012 08:44 johanes wrote:
On December 15 2012 08:41 Reaps wrote:
I heard something on the news and someone suggested just putting one policeman in each school, is that not a good idea? i mean people cant exatcly say its too "expensive" or takes to much "work". Suprised it didnt happen sooner.

And how would this help prevent situations like this?



I dont know, i thought it would be common sense, the policeman is alert'd of someone suspicious or even hear's shots, and he can rush to the scene to help?


Or the policeman is the first person shot, and now the shooter has whatever gadgets our policeman is carrying, in addition to a police radio and uniform (all very harmful when trying to identify the intruder). "Common sense" you say? I would say commonly heard nonsense.


I would say it's worth the risk because it has the potential to save 20 young children's lives..

However I don't think that placing a police officer in an elementary school is exactly common sense. In a high school yes, but not an elementary school. No one could have seen this coming.


Well, simply considering the fact that nobody knows for certain where the next psychopath will strike, putting a bunch of cops who could otherwise be doing police work on standby to prevent something that is highly unlikely to happen in exactly the same way again is not so much a risk as a misappropriation of manpower. They might be able to help there, but what about the infinite other places that could be targeted? This is not unlike any other terrorist act in that it could happen anywhere there are people and a deranged gunman.
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Arghmyliver
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1079 Posts
December 15 2012 00:28 GMT
#623
This kind thing is so horrid and upsetting. My Mom is a teacher, in fact the shooter and I are almost identical in that respect. I can't imagine what would drive someone to do this. With so many instances of gun violence this year i think it's definitely time to look for a solution so that this doesn't happen. If only for the peace of mind of the families - whose loss will never be replaced. Sad for everyone involved, even the shooter who obviously had some underlying mental issues that were never addressed, but especially for the children who had yet to fully experience life. I definitely think we should look at stricter gun control legislation - but I know this not the place to discuss that. I only wish to express my desire to find an answer because these tragedies need to stop now.
Now witness their attempts to fly from tree to tree. Notice they do not so much fly as plummet.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
December 15 2012 00:28 GMT
#624
All I can think of is the 20 deliberate pulls of the trigger for each kid.
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
December 15 2012 00:30 GMT
#625
On December 15 2012 09:15 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 09:15 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Welcome to the internet?


Ah you're one of "those" guys :D makes sense now


Yes, one of "those" guys. I like to actually think something through a bit before I say it, and definitely before I call it common sense. You must be one of "those" guys that has a knee-jerk response every time something happens.
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JeanLuc
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada377 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 00:33:12
December 15 2012 00:32 GMT
#626
On December 15 2012 07:59 ssj114 wrote:
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On December 15 2012 07:44 PizzaParty wrote:
On December 15 2012 07:17 IronManSC wrote:
On December 15 2012 07:13 Aulisemia wrote:
1.8 people die worldwide every second. Never understood the sensationalism behind things like this - tragic for the people involved, but unless you live there it is not like it affects you at all.


Do you have kids? I don't and I had tears for this tragedy.

It affects many parents in the U.S. who love their children dearly. In the last hour I have seen several women on my facebook stating that they were going to homeschool their kids from now on.


I totally agree with Aulisemia. It is tragic and sad but it does not affect me, like it should not affect anyone here unless you are personally related with the people or city of Newtown.

You had tears ? You cried ? You must cry every time you read the news. Just for example, over 44 thousands civillians died so far in the Syrian civial war. Did you cry for all of them ? What about people in Gaza and Central Africa ? What about people who are born with HIV and die of hunger, do you also cry for them ?


It's the context that makes it sad. I understand your point, but you're being a little insensitive. These children weren't at "high risk" of being shot. Those 44,000 civilians were at high(er) risk. Not sure why you compared people born with HIV? Those people dying of hunger were at "high risk" of...dying of hunger.

So in the end, it's the context that makes it sadder than most news out there. Human conditioning (God induced or evolutionary induced or whatever you believe) also makes us react more to such unexpected events. In a war, people die - that's normal. What's not normal is for kids to be gunned down for apparently no reason.


It's fine to cry at these events, even though logically speaking events just as horrible are commonplace. But I don't agree that its any more or less sad for a child born with HIV to die than a child to be gunned down. These are equally tragic imo.
If you can't find it within yourself to stand up and tell the truth-- you don't deserve to wear that uniform
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 00:40:45
December 15 2012 00:35 GMT
#627
On December 15 2012 09:30 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 09:15 Reaps wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:15 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Welcome to the internet?


Ah you're one of "those" guys :D makes sense now


Yes, one of "those" guys. I like to actually think something through a bit before I say it, and definitely before I call it common sense. You must be one of "those" guys that has a knee-jerk response every time something happens.


You obviously didnt think much when you felt the need to say "Welcome to the internet" because you could not think of proper reply.

Try harder next time.
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
December 15 2012 00:36 GMT
#628
Funny how when event like this happens there's always idiots who bring up children dying or aids in Africa or people dying in a war some where. No shit we know these things happen...but if you need to have explained to you why 20 kids being gunned down in a classroom might be upsetting to some people you're probably a waste of life not worth conversing with.
cozzE
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia357 Posts
December 15 2012 00:42 GMT
#629
This is really sickening and saddening.

I'm unsure what's more saddening, tragic events like this, or the callousness of the power-brokers within the upper echelons of the United States.
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
December 15 2012 00:43 GMT
#630
On December 15 2012 09:35 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 09:30 dUTtrOACh wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:15 Reaps wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:15 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Welcome to the internet?


Ah you're one of "those" guys :D makes sense now


Yes, one of "those" guys. I like to actually think something through a bit before I say it, and definitely before I call it common sense. You must be one of "those" guys that has a knee-jerk response every time something happens.


You obviously didnt think much when you felt the need to say "Welcome to the internet" because you could not think of reply.

Try harder next time.


Try harder? Your suggestion to put police in elementary schools is daft. Do you even realize that a single police officer won't do much more than protect his/her own ass? A panic button in every classroom would make more sense, and cost less money. There, I spent 20 sec. thinking of a response that might be to your fancy.
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Domus
Profile Joined March 2011
510 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 00:48:13
December 15 2012 00:47 GMT
#631
At some point I would expect a serious debate both in politics and in society in general in the USA about why these events happen so often. It can't just be the guns, there are other countries where guns are allowed. It might be cultural, a side effect of a society that has become too individualized or self-centered. Or it might be the way mental healthcare is setup, how hard or easy it is to get people treated for serious mental disorders, etc. I don't claim to have any answers since I don't live in the USA, but I am sure that within the USA there are some bright minds who can take a good look at what needs to be done to prevent this from occurring. When there are so many events such as this, you can no longer speak of incidents and it is time to take action.

By the way, you don't solve this problem by trying to prevent someone from shooting people. You should think why there are people in the USA who think in a way that it is ok to do something like this, and why these people still walk around freely without medical care.
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 00:48:13
December 15 2012 00:47 GMT
#632
On December 15 2012 09:43 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 09:35 Reaps wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:30 dUTtrOACh wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:15 Reaps wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:15 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Welcome to the internet?


Ah you're one of "those" guys :D makes sense now


Yes, one of "those" guys. I like to actually think something through a bit before I say it, and definitely before I call it common sense. You must be one of "those" guys that has a knee-jerk response every time something happens.


You obviously didnt think much when you felt the need to say "Welcome to the internet" because you could not think of reply.

Try harder next time.


Try harder? Your suggestion to put police in elementary schools is daft. Do you even realize that a single police officer won't do much more than protect his/her own ass? A panic button in every classroom would make more sense, and cost less money. There, I spent 20 sec. thinking of a response that might be to your fancy.


The diffrence between a panic button and an actual policeman would be the policeman would already be right near the scene, as with a panic button it would take time for the police to get there. Surely it is not hard to understand?

I'm still waiting for why my suggestion is "daft".

The only daft thing is your comment about the policeman only protecting himself when police all over the world put themselves in danger every single day.

Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
December 15 2012 00:49 GMT
#633
Not another one..... my thoughts are with the victims and their families.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
December 15 2012 00:51 GMT
#634
I dont understand why they cuffed ryan? Was he involved?
Hudson Valley Progamer
Little Rage Box
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States84 Posts
December 15 2012 00:54 GMT
#635
This is sad, but it makes me wonder as a society how we let these people slip through the cracks. I find it hard to believe that there weren't signs that something was going on with this guy(s).
graan
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany589 Posts
December 15 2012 00:54 GMT
#636
This world is so fucked up, makes me sick.. our generation is so lucky to live in peace.. why would you do anything like that ? its out of my mind..
Fenris420
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden213 Posts
December 15 2012 00:56 GMT
#637
On December 15 2012 09:16 Avs wrote:
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On December 15 2012 09:07 lex.licks.life wrote:
I am disgusted that the media tried to interview the children after this horrible event.


Yeah but his boss told him to do it.


How is that in any way relevant? The interviewer should be able to take responsibilities for his own actions.

Obviously it is a sad event, but as a society, we should be capable of showing more respect to people than to force them to be on the news so that we can take part of it as well. The reason the reporter did that is because his boss knows it sells and it sells because people watch the stuff they pump out.
-Switch-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada506 Posts
December 15 2012 01:11 GMT
#638
On December 15 2012 03:35 Gatored wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 03:31 Intox wrote:
What kind of sick fucks would do that to innocent children.. how the hell do you convince yourself actions like that are just?!? Thoughts to the victims and their families, rest in peace.


Well, I'm betting this lunatic was extremely drugged out of his mind. That is the only explanation I can think of...


People get extremely drugged out of their minds all the time. People don't shoot 20 children at a school all the time.
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
December 15 2012 01:12 GMT
#639
Such a sad thing to happen, but its only time until another school is shot up again. This won't stop until some big change happens. Maybe 20 elementary kids killed will strike a real change in the US.
furymonkey
Profile Joined December 2008
New Zealand1587 Posts
December 15 2012 01:17 GMT
#640
On December 15 2012 09:47 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 09:43 dUTtrOACh wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:35 Reaps wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:30 dUTtrOACh wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:15 Reaps wrote:
On December 15 2012 09:15 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Welcome to the internet?


Ah you're one of "those" guys :D makes sense now


Yes, one of "those" guys. I like to actually think something through a bit before I say it, and definitely before I call it common sense. You must be one of "those" guys that has a knee-jerk response every time something happens.


You obviously didnt think much when you felt the need to say "Welcome to the internet" because you could not think of reply.

Try harder next time.


Try harder? Your suggestion to put police in elementary schools is daft. Do you even realize that a single police officer won't do much more than protect his/her own ass? A panic button in every classroom would make more sense, and cost less money. There, I spent 20 sec. thinking of a response that might be to your fancy.


The diffrence between a panic button and an actual policeman would be the policeman would already be right near the scene, as with a panic button it would take time for the police to get there. Surely it is not hard to understand?

I'm still waiting for why my suggestion is "daft".

The only daft thing is your comment about the policeman only protecting himself when police all over the world put themselves in danger every single day.



It's not we don't understand, it's because we know it's ineffective and waste of resources. If every school there is a single armed security is stationed, those maniacs will just go for them first with ease.

Your suggestion is a daft.
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