The gun control argument stops now. I know it's fun to argue about it in the heat of the tragedy when you can get all worked up about it but it's pretty disrespectful and if you don't care enough about the issue to make a separate topic for gun control then you don't care enough to shit on the tragedy by exploiting it. A gun control topic can be found here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313472
Also stop posting links to his facebook. TL will be no part of an unconfirmed witch hunt.
On December 16 2012 14:50 tMomiji wrote: And now I hear WBC is coming out here to picket at the funeral for these children. Apparently they believe this is "god's punishment for Connecticut legalizing gay marriage."
Who's with me on forming a blockade so the families of the victims don't have to see this sickening nonsense?
That is what WBC wants they are trolls you don't feed trolls.
On December 16 2012 05:32 Brosy wrote: I've been pretty disgusted with how the media just jumped on any rumor regarding the killer and then put it out as some kind of fact. Mistaking the killer, saying that the killers mother was a teacher/connected to the elementary school, etc. I just find it utterly disgusting that media outlets are so focused on be the first to break information that they don't bother to check their facts and then those "journalists" who gave the incorrect information just sort of shrug their shoulders and continue trying to always be the first to break "news"
The media has gone to utter shit in this country. The fact that they interviewed children after what happened yesterday is absolutely despicable. The reporters who interviewed these children should be thrown in jail. Child abuse is what it is.
On December 16 2012 05:32 Brosy wrote: I've been pretty disgusted with how the media just jumped on any rumor regarding the killer and then put it out as some kind of fact. Mistaking the killer, saying that the killers mother was a teacher/connected to the elementary school, etc. I just find it utterly disgusting that media outlets are so focused on be the first to break information that they don't bother to check their facts and then those "journalists" who gave the incorrect information just sort of shrug their shoulders and continue trying to always be the first to break "news"
The media has gone to utter shit in this country. The fact that they interviewed children after what happened yesterday is absolutely despicable. The reporters who interviewed these children should be thrown in jail. Child abuse is what it is.
It is pretty sick. I've been involved in very small media, mostly just college level production of news. In my communication ethics class this would come up a lot. Do you interview a child in this situation?
The sick truth is you have to get ratings to keep your job and make your boss happy. And sadly that means doing this type of coverage. If you don't interview the children and victims of the crime then they change the channel and switch to another channel that does.
Personally I can't even stand to watch the coverage. It's really sick.
On December 16 2012 11:58 Gene wrote: following it up with your 'regrets' doesn't take back what you had said. I don't understand what more you intend I read.
'Take back'? Dude I'm not sending 'best wishes' and that's the end of it. You can't condemn me.
Morgan Freeman's Opinion, thought I would post it up xD
"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
On December 16 2012 20:05 lonelyPotato wrote: Morgan Freeman's Opinion, thought I would post it up xD
"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
I don't think anything can top this post. I love Morgan Freeman.
On December 16 2012 20:05 lonelyPotato wrote: Morgan Freeman's Opinion, thought I would post it up xD
"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
I don't think anything can top this post. I love Morgan Freeman.
I think whenever something like this happens, one should keep some perspective.
This event is one tragedy in a million tragedies happening every day, to be sure. The event called 9/11 was remarkable for a number of things, least of which the number of people killed. (Perhaps the number of people killed in such a small area on the earth within a certain time frame, among other things).
The young man who committed the murders and then shot himself was more than likely one of many mentally ill / unstable / socially excluded people in this increasingly isolated modern world. He hardly deserves to be called a "sick fuck", or anything along those derogatory lines - crazy, insane etc - as has been done by countless people of note. Any one of us could have been him, under the right (or wrong) circumstances, environment, with worse luck, different families, and peer groups, or otherwise.
The developed world continues to marginalise such people, continuing a legacy of asylums where people were sent to rot. There have been muted calls to improve legislation, attitudes, support systems, following this particular incident. I suspect however that the general consensus is that, much like attitudes towards the gun control argument, it is "too early" to discuss. How ridiculous.
We honour the dead by doing whatever we can to prevent the next event from happening. This tragedy is something that can turn into more than just a sum of its contributing factors, with concerted effort, with the goal of averting the next. The perspective we should take I believe is that each of us is the same as the next - we are the same as the killer, the same as the children who lost their lives, and the same as the families who have been affected. With this in mind, how should we respond?
With this perspective, the points of contention around gun control become moot, and attitudes we hold towards "crazies" become disturbing. I think we should consider our perspective very carefully.
On December 16 2012 20:05 lonelyPotato wrote: Morgan Freeman's Opinion, thought I would post it up xD
"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
I don't think anything can top this post. I love Morgan Freeman.
On December 16 2012 14:50 tMomiji wrote: And now I hear WBC is coming out here to picket at the funeral for these children. Apparently they believe this is "god's punishment for Connecticut legalizing gay marriage."
Who's with me on forming a blockade so the families of the victims don't have to see this sickening nonsense?
It's their Constitutional right to do it, but I think if one of the father's punches them in the face the Judge wouldn't sentence too harshly.
On December 16 2012 20:05 lonelyPotato wrote: Morgan Freeman's Opinion, thought I would post it up xD
"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
I don't think anything can top this post. I love Morgan Freeman.
"Celebs.gather.com"? Who will use that as a respectable source?
Does it even matter? Whoever said it is the most right person in the history of time.
People do shit like this because they know they'll get this kind of attention. Fuck, even ESPN is talking about it while they're analyzing how Pittsburgh offense has been struggling. It's absolutely ridiculous, and I bet, just like whoever said that mentioned, no one can name a single victim of the shooting. Anyone who can will forget in a month. This guy will still be talked about years from now as one of the, if not the deadliest shootings of all time. 20 kids dead. Our media will NOT let that go. And it's fucking ridiculous, because now people on the edge of doing stuff like this are seeing how much this guy is being practically worshiped and want to do it too.
All I'm reading about lately is the victims, idk. Seems pretty legit. I've only heard the name Adam Lanza from this thread tbh. But I only have the internet to work with, not TV.
On December 17 2012 03:13 Gene wrote: All I'm reading about lately is the victims, idk. Seems pretty legit. I've only heard the name Adam Lanza from this thread tbh. But I only have the internet to work with, not TV.
Think in historical context, how many famous murderers can you think of that have been popularized? Now pause and try to name a single one of their victims.
I know, but I'm surprised by the exact opposite inthis situation. I'm hearing more about the victims, is what I'm saying. But I guess the grain of salt here is that I don't have TV to really lay it on thick with the killer angle.
On December 17 2012 03:13 Gene wrote: All I'm reading about lately is the victims, idk. Seems pretty legit. I've only heard the name Adam Lanza from this thread tbh. But I only have the internet to work with, not TV.
There are still tons of news reports like this shit that pisses me off:
On December 17 2012 03:18 Gene wrote: I know, but I'm surprised by the exact opposite inthis situation. I'm hearing more about the victims, is what I'm saying. But I guess the grain of salt here is that I don't have TV to really lay it on thick with the killer angle.
I'm just trying to prove by empirical evidence that this is exactly what's going to happen as time goes by, you won't remember the victim's names either, because there is no need to unless there is some personal stake. The media falsely creates a persona and mystique around the killer and makes him out to be a glorified anti hero, somebody that you are personally interested in, and that's why history always remembers the killers and not the victims.
The truth of the matter is, our lives are all ultimately insignificant, and wallow in mundane mediocrity. Only the lucky few get to be involved with anything significant. We all want to be remembered by history and talked about and matter, and we as a species are so fundamentally attracted to the exceptional and the distinctive, regardless of whether it's good or bad. It's so difficult to do anything positive, to contribute and work hard to accomplish something you can be proud of, and in the end you are still likely to be forgotten by society simply because you were unpopular or didn't fit in with the zeitgeist. Yet it's infinitely easier to do something BAD, something so fundamentally appalling that EVERYONE will remember you. That's what's so fundamentally disturbing about the media coverage.
On December 17 2012 03:13 Gene wrote: All I'm reading about lately is the victims, idk. Seems pretty legit. I've only heard the name Adam Lanza from this thread tbh. But I only have the internet to work with, not TV.
Think in historical context, how many famous murderers can you think of that have been popularized? Now pause and try to name a single one of their victims.
Abe Lincoln doesn't count.
Ferdanand of Austria Hungary that sparked the first World War, I don't even remember who did it except it was some religious serbian group or something/
On December 17 2012 03:13 Gene wrote: All I'm reading about lately is the victims, idk. Seems pretty legit. I've only heard the name Adam Lanza from this thread tbh. But I only have the internet to work with, not TV.
Think in historical context, how many famous murderers can you think of that have been popularized? Now pause and try to name a single one of their victims.
Abe Lincoln doesn't count.
Ferdanand of Austria Hungary that sparked the first World War, I don't even remember who did it except it was some religious serbian group or something/
That's because the murderer wasn't the intrigue of the issue, when there's an entire war following to get masochistic joy out of glorifying other mass murderers out of and death becomes a statistic.
On December 17 2012 03:18 Gene wrote: I know, but I'm surprised by the exact opposite inthis situation. I'm hearing more about the victims, is what I'm saying. But I guess the grain of salt here is that I don't have TV to really lay it on thick with the killer angle.
I'm just trying to prove by empirical evidence that this is exactly what's going to happen as time goes by, you won't remember the victim's names either, because there is no need to unless there is some personal stake. The media falsely creates a persona and mystique around the killer and makes him out to be a glorified anti hero, somebody that you are personally interested in, and that's why history always remembers the killers and not the victims.
The truth of the matter is, our lives are all ultimately insignificant, and wallow in mundane mediocrity. Only the lucky few get to be involved with anything significant. We all want to be remembered by history and talked about and matter, and we as a species are so fundamentally attracted to the exceptional and the distinctive, regardless of whether it's good or bad. It's so difficult to do anything positive, to contribute and work hard to accomplish something you can be proud of, and in the end you are still likely to be forgotten by society simply because you were unpopular or didn't fit in with the zeitgeist. Yet it's infinitely easier to do something BAD, something so fundamentally appalling that EVERYONE will remember you. That's what's so fundamentally disturbing about the media coverage.
I havnt really posted in this thread cause theres really not much to say that hasnt been said already but this post is something that I think about a lot. It is so easy to become immortalized in history for doing something bad and its next to impossible to achieve that same amount of fame doing something good.
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