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Trasko
Sweden983 Posts
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
On September 16 2012 17:21 Trasko wrote: china is very good. japanese suck big monster dick. Oh my... | ||
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Eruism
United States312 Posts
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
On September 16 2012 17:25 Eruism wrote: I'm Chinese, but this is pretty fucking retarded. Holy shit get over the fucking past. What happened 60+ years ago is history. Jesus Christ..... African Americans haven't gotten over it, either. | ||
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Orek
1665 Posts
On September 16 2012 17:14 Souma wrote: I don't believe many Japanese people know the truth about Unit 731. That point I concede. The Rape of Nanking and the comfort women are different though, considering the Japanese government has apologized on numerous occasions to comfort women and paid reparations (though there has been some recent idiot politicians out there undoing all of the apologizing). Do the Japanese learn enough about the Rape of Nanking and comfort women, however? I would agree no, they do not. But you're crazy if you think all these kids think Rape of Nanking is propaganda. Japanese don't argue whether Nanking Massacre happened or not. They admit it. Japanese, however, don't buy the number of deaths that Chinese governemnt claims:300,000. Evidence is not clear, and the number supposedly includes Chinese soldiers who wore normal clothes among civilians for guerilla attacks. It is war. So, killing civilian must be condemned but kililng enemy soldier is not. All Japan is asking is a study based on actual evidence.Some Japanese are sick and tired of overexaggeration without showing evidence. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On September 16 2012 17:12 Xiahou wrote: That's funny, because anti-Japanese demonstrations are blowing up in Changsha, Tsingdao and Wuhan. Current loss of assets amount to something ridiculous like 2.95 billion Yuan. I don't think there's ever been this much civil unrest in China since 1989. It's allowed protesting in china is allowed and some respects encouraged in one condition if it's anti-(insert country that isn't china). You could see similar allowances when the (US lead)NATO forces bombed a Chinese embassy in Belgrade and so called peace rallies occurred(they were anti American rallies in reality, reinforced by Chinese state media purposely butchering the story) | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
If people are angry at something or led to believe they should be angry about something, they are not angry about anything else, meaning people will not protest against chinas internal problems or think about freedom and liberty. This is alsoe the reason for religious protests in the middle east, if US and EU and everyone would really withdraw from the middle east and build a 1 km wall around them they would tear each other appart and kill them until there is no one left. China, middle east and sveral other countries work through the principle of inner stability through (imagined) outter pressure. | ||
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Damiani
United States514 Posts
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
On September 16 2012 17:29 Orek wrote: Japanese don't argue whether Nanking Massacre happened or not. They admit it. Japanese, however, don't buy the number of deaths that Chinese governemnt claims:300,000. Evidence is not clear, and the number supposedly includes Chinese soldiers who wore normal clothes among civilians for guerilla attacks. It is war. So, killing civilian must be condemned but kililng enemy soldier is not. All Japan is asking is a study based on actual evidence.Some Japanese are sick and tired of overexaggeration without showing evidence. An accurate estimation of the death toll in the massacre has not been achieved because most of the Japanese military records on the killings were deliberately destroyed or kept secret shortly after the surrender of Japan in 1945. The International Military Tribunal of the Far East estimates more than 200,000 casualties in the incident; China's official estimate is about 300,000 casualties, based on the evaluation of the Nanjing War Crimes Tribunal. Estimates from Japanese historians vary widely, in the vicinity of 40,000–200,000. Some historical revisionists even deny that a widespread, systematic massacre occurred at all, claiming that any deaths were either justified militarily, accidental or isolated incidents of unauthorized atrocities. These revisionists claim that the characterization of the incident as a large-scale, systematic massacre was fabricated for the purpose of political propaganda. | ||
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Zahir
United States947 Posts
On September 16 2012 16:09 Orek wrote: If Japan won the war, Harry Truman and Winston Churchill would have been tried and executed as class A war criminal. All the Japanese acts would have been justified in the name of liberating Asia and all the wrongdoings of "Allies of WWII" would have been comdemned as criminal acts. Sadly, victor writes the history. One mistake Japan made was engaging in a war that they kinda knew that they couldn't win. US or UK is no better than Japan, but they just won the war, which is what counts more than anything. Hopefully by, say, 25th century or something, human society learns from the mistakes that our or our grandparents' generation have made. Am I to take it that you think the world would be no better or worse off if Japan and the rest of the Axis had won ww2 and gone on to execute Truman and Churchill? Neither side's actions during that war were a pretty tale, but fuck's sake dude. Both sides used civilian bombing to try and disrupt the other, but only one side was practicing mass ethnic and "undesirable" cleansing, sending in soldiers to rape and kill their way through entire cities, filling entire medical units with humans to be used as guinea pigs, institutionalizing rape and the use of "comfort women", using secret police to make dissidents disappear in the middle of the night, had philosophies built upon a rejection of conventional rationality and the cultivation of racial purity, and so on. I'm not white washing the US and UK, but do you really think the world is worse off under capitalist liberal democracy than it would be under racial supremacist fascism? | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
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ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
On September 16 2012 15:04 RavenLoud wrote: Oh come on. Show a little humanity here. You talk as if the Chinese people deserve all the war crimes just because the CCP sucks, when they actually had to deal with both. 20 million people died in China. I'm sure that's more than the entire war casualty in the history of the US. Even if the entire country wasn't occupied because it was a freaking big country with a lot of resistance, the occupied territory is way bigger than Korea itself. It's not just about the war crimes itself, it's about the dismissive attitude of the Japanese government and their insincere apologies as well as the textbook issue. Oh, and South Korea do have some major problems with Japan, and they are also exposed to some pretty heavy anti-Japan propaganda. Plus they also have their own island debate with em! (Dokudo islands) EDIT: You know what, the more I read this post the more it sounds not just ignorant but outright sinophobic. Wouldn't have expected this from a Swede... My point is, the Chinese ppl should riot against their own government, not against Japan. What harm have Japan done to anyone since WW2? You could blame them for being passive-aggressive, which I did, and I also explained why Japan have a hard time admitting fault. Just to make things clear, the japanese conservatism is not the ppl's fault, it's a democratic problem. But what about China? What have they done since the war? A lot more. Look at how they have treated their own ppl, and how they are treating North Korean refugees. And note how they fought against freedom in Vietnam and Korea, and contributed to millions of deaths. If they were so disgusted by japanese imperialism, then why did they follow in their footsteps? Well, the chinese ppl probably don't know that they were imperialists, because of their government. Instead, they have been taught that they were the ones fighting for freedom. They don't know that the only reason why they adopted communism to begin with, was because a guy named Stalin financed the party into power. Believe me, I have no preconceived opinions about asian ppl, or any other group for that matter. I don't know why you made those claims, and if you knew me, you would know that I'm very open and trusting towards different cultures. However I'm not a big fan of the Chinese government, but that's a major difference. I know a few germans, who was born there and moved to Sweden as adults, and while reading this thread it occured to me that it had never before crossed my mind that these germans (who I consider as friends), had relatives that fought in the war for Nazi Germany, or even were part of the Nazi party. The reason why this never had crossed my mind is because I don't believe that the ppl are the same as their government, and I also don't believe that anyone should be blamed for what their ancestors did, so I never saw the connection between germans living in the 00's and the nazi party. Maybe you guys should try thinking the same way. China, Korea and Japan are all victims one way or another, but unlike China, Japan have turned their backs on destructive behaviour and is trying to do good. Yes, it's true that the government of China is going in the right direction, and the sudden influx of chinese students in the swedish university I attend pleases me a lot, but China still have a long way to go before they reach Japan's standards. Rioting about what happened 70 years ago is silly and childish, and especially so in this situation, where the Chinese government have a lot more to ask for forgiveness for. On September 16 2012 15:08 Scarecrow wrote: Patently untrue. South Korea hates Japan more than any other country (China probably comes in 2nd) and naturally has huge issues over what happened in WW2 and the earlier occupations/invasions. Slurs like 'monkey' are commonplace. ......Didn't you forget a country called North Korea? North Korea is the only enemy of Japan, and the "admiration" goes both ways. South Korea don't have a major problem with Japan. That's the truth. Note that I used the adjective "major". They have collaborated with them a lot through the years, and if it weren't for Japan, South Korea wouldn't be what it is today. Obviously, there are some negative tension, given their history, but you don't see riots like this happening, and the governments are well-behaved towards eachother, which you can't say about the China/North Korea-Japan relations. | ||
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Tal
United Kingdom1017 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On September 16 2012 17:21 Trasko wrote: china is very good. japanese suck big monster dick. User was temp banned for this post. On September 16 2012 17:25 Eruism wrote: I'm Chinese, but this is pretty fucking retarded. Holy shit get over the fucking past. What happened 60+ years ago is history. Jesus Christ..... On September 16 2012 17:43 Damiani wrote: With all these craziness going on in the world today. I am a firm believer that history should not be taught in class. And no i don't think history would repeat itself because we are not as stupid as we were before. Just wow, this last page is full of stupid. On September 16 2012 17:47 ninini wrote: ......Didn't you forget a country called North Korea? North Korea is the only enemy of Japan, and the "admiration" goes both ways. South Korea don't have a major problem with Japan. No, I didn't. It's complicated how the South feels about the North and it's definitely not at the level of hate/racism that's directed at the Japanese. The South sees NK as a wayward part of the family but still essentially Korean (some even supported them 2nd behind SK in the Olympics). There's not much real hatred, more like a sense of tragedy and sadness. On the other hand mention of the Japanese just evokes hostility. On September 16 2012 17:29 Orek wrote: All Japan is asking is a study based on actual evidence.Some Japanese are sick and tired of overexaggeration without showing evidence. That's such bullshit, try calling it overexaggeration to the descendants of the victims throughout East and SE Asia. There's loads of evidence, and it's pretty much universally accepted outside of Japan whose 'historians' like to revise death estimates to what, 10 or 20% of the accepted totals? I truly pity the japanese for all the false accusations being thrown at them -.- | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On September 16 2012 17:41 Holy_AT wrote: Chinese government will not lift a finger to stopp this protests or way of thinking, it suits them perfectly. If people are angry at something or led to believe they should be angry about something, they are not angry about anything else, meaning people will not protest against chinas internal problems or think about freedom and liberty. This is alsoe the reason for religious protests in the middle east, if US and EU and everyone would really withdraw from the middle east and build a 1 km wall around them they would tear each other appart and kill them until there is no one left. China, middle east and sveral other countries work through the principle of inner stability through (imagined) outter pressure. Actually it's not that simple. Although general discontent is directed at the japanese for now, riots and large scale protests are dangerous and could result in unpredictable consequences that might upset the social/political stability in China, which is crucial in light of the coming elections. | ||
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[]Phase[]
Belgium927 Posts
On September 16 2012 17:43 Damiani wrote: With all these craziness going on in the world today. I am a firm believer that history should not be taught in class. And no i don't think history would repeat itself because we are not as stupid as we were before. History SHOULD be taught, so people can learn from other peoples mistakes. You are wrong in the statement that past mistakes wont be repeated, very wrong as a matter of fact. People shouldnt make such a big fuss about something that happened generations ago, and doesnt concern them. This is just picking up grudges. Learn and move on, so we can have a peaceful world for everyone please | ||
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yandere991
Australia394 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On September 16 2012 17:21 Trasko wrote: china is very good. japanese suck big monster dick. User was temp banned for this post. China is good. So are the Japanese. It's the governments (especially Japan's) which bear culpability here. | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On September 16 2012 17:54 JoeSchmoe wrote: Actually it's not that simple. Although general discontent is directed at the japanese for now, riots and large scale protests are dangerous and could result in unpredictable consequences that might upset the social/political stability in China, which is crucial in light of the coming elections. Did you actually just use elections and China in the same sentence. Lol. Funny. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
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