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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Oh yes, panick doom panick. | ||
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MrRicewife
Canada515 Posts
Yuck, no wonder the news is the way it is, gotta feed the people what they want  The next time a freak heat wave hits India - I wonder if it'll be reported. Naaa - doesn't sound like a pandemic/scare/global warming/end-of-the-world-story | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On July 25 2012 10:54 TheRabidDeer wrote: It shows a 1C increase over the last 50 years, but it doesnt show you that 50 years ago it was below the norm and now it is above the norm. It has been a .5 degree increase above the norm. How exactly it is determined, I will trust the IPCC over you. Ummmm ... here's the graph again, please have a look. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://berkeleyearth.org/images/decadal-land-surface-average-temperature-berkeley-earth.jpg) Pretty sure the IPCC now recognises the Berkely Study to be the correct one. The original data the IPCC was falsified in order to improve the position of their agenda and was even more "extreme" as you would put it. The reason your article doesn't have it is because your article is outdated or just wrong (probably just wrong as I'm pretty sure IPCC was originally looking at a rate around 1-3C per decade or something). The Berkeley study is very recent and is the most accurate and up to date so far. In fact, it was created after the old measurements were falsified (climategate) and decided to do their own study. It was even sponsored by a company who had a vested interest in disproving climate change. Novim then took over as the original sponsor realised the study was going to prove almost the exact same trend anyway. On July 25 2012 11:00 MrRicewife wrote: So what? Freaks of nature always happen. Why is everyone surprised? You all sound like ignorant fools right now lol. The article even says the ice is already freezing again. And it's just ice - I'm so confused at all these ignorant responses. Yuck, no wonder the news is the way it is, gotta feed the people what they want The next time a freak heat wave hits India - I wonder if it'll be reported. Naaa - doesn't sound like a pandemic/scare/global warming/end-of-the-world-story This was predicted to happen due to global warming. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120312003232.htm Its amazing that they predicted to happen between 0.8 and 3.2 degrees of warming. Its now 1 degree of warming now. Well the effect of massive temperature changes, like an entire country's ice sheet falling into the ocean can cause big disruptions in weather patterns and rising sea levels. It can cause natural disasters, lose entire islands, vulcanic eruptions, completely change rainfall patterns, and even cause an ice age in europe if we are really unlucky. | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
On July 25 2012 10:57 rd wrote: And then before you're done measuring a fuck ton of killer bees come in and rape you your family and your children. Theres so many more reasons for mankind to adapt other than some dumb debate as to whether or not man has any effect on climate change. Just starting with fuel emissions from fossil fuels. Theres no way our current society which was propelled by oil can be sustained indefinitely, let alone 100 years from now. Even just starting with the rising nations of China and India; billions of people whose demand for oil will rise. It's convenient for politicians to ignore it and believe we have much longer to stumble upon the solution than there really is. And then we're told not to blame the governments (really the politicians). Billions of dollars are shoved into the pockets of the oil industry in the USA, money better spent towards the research and development of a sustainable future infrastructure that isn't run by gasoline fueled trucks. Same oil industry then turns around and conveniently donates to those politicians' campaigns who get elected to repeat the same broken cycle. And ontop of that, fuel emissions over time can be linked to the global rise in temperature. This thread got me depressed over the state of US politics again. sigh Lol, I totally agree with you. Tell me again why these killer bees are raping me, my family and non-existent children? | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On July 25 2012 10:57 rd wrote: And then before you're done measuring a fuck ton of killer bees come in and rape you your family and your children. Theres so many more reasons for mankind to adapt other than some dumb debate as to whether or not man has any effect on climate change. Just starting with fuel emissions from fossil fuels. Theres no way our current society which was propelled by oil can be sustained indefinitely, let alone 100 years from now. Even just starting with the rising nations of China and India; billions of people whose demand for oil will rise. It's convenient for politicians to ignore it and believe we have much longer to stumble upon the solution than there really is. And then we're told not to blame the governments (really the politicians). Billions of dollars are shoved into the pockets of the oil industry in the USA, money better spent towards the research and development of a sustainable future infrastructure that isn't run by gasoline fueled trucks. Same oil industry then turns around and conveniently donates to those politicians' campaigns who get elected to repeat the same broken cycle. And ontop of that, fuel emissions over time can be linked to the global rise in temperature. This thread got me depressed over the state of US politics again. sigh Yeah but then the oil companies would have you believe that oil will last forever, and solar powered cars will cause melanoma. | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
On July 25 2012 11:00 MrRicewife wrote: So what? Freaks of nature always happen. Why is everyone surprised? You all sound like ignorant fools right now lol. The article even says the ice is already freezing again. And it's just ice - I'm so confused at all these ignorant responses. Yuck, no wonder the news is the way it is, gotta feed the people what they want The next time a freak heat wave hits India - I wonder if it'll be reported. Naaa - doesn't sound like a pandemic/scare/global warming/end-of-the-world-story It's just ice foos! Its not like its a pro-techtive reflektin shielt for the Urth or nothin. What, we all gonna die of warm sodas? I don't give a fuk bout no So-lar Rades. ... : ( | ||
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TheToaster
United States280 Posts
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On July 25 2012 11:18 Arghmyliver wrote: Lol, I totally agree with you. Tell me again why these killer bees are raping me, my family and non-existent children? Cause you left the window open to measure bugs, iunno. Point was basically refuting the idea that waiting and seeing when we have no precedent to compare to in regards to the age of oil is pointless both when the possible consequences of climate change that could be caused by man reaches a point of no return -- AND the fact that some of the solutions are needed either way. ex. reducing fuel emissions/dependency on oil. | ||
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SnetteL
Belgium473 Posts
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memcpy
United States459 Posts
How will this affect the price of bottled water? | ||
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Perdac Curall
242 Posts
All kidding aside, if you ignore the horribly deceptive title and actually read the article it says this happens every 150 years or so and it is about the right time for this to happen, but inconvenient facts have never stopped the warm-mongers from spreading fear in the past. | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
On July 25 2012 11:39 Perdac Curall wrote: HOLY SHIT! ICE IS MELTING IN THE SUMMER! THIS IS MOST UNNATURAL BEHAVIOUR FOR THE PLANET! WE ARE OBVIOUSLY ALL DOOMED!! All kidding aside, if you ignore the horribly deceptive title and actually read the article it says this happens every 150 years or so and it is about the right time for this to happen, but inconvenient facts have never stopped the warm-mongers from spreading fear in the past. YEAH! No one ACTUALLY cares about the Earth - they are just uneccesarily trying to spread fear - as that's what good scientists do. Imean the basic definition of scientist is "One who unnecessarily comes up with explanations for the physical world for the purpose of spreading debilitating fear." Damn - this one time I met a scientist in a dark ally - he reared onto his hind legs, puffed his neck frill and squirted blood from his eyes at me causing me to flee in terror. I sure hope I don't meet one of his kind again. | ||
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Eviscerador
Spain286 Posts
At least i'm living well above sea level. In a concrete building. With my own generator. And lots of wood in case i need it to cook. Everything is fine  | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
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AngryFarmer
United States560 Posts
On July 25 2012 11:35 memcpy wrote: The real question on everyone's mind: How will this affect the price of bottled water? Wont have much effect since you're mainly paying for the plastic bottle rather than the water | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
also, some people here seem to think that green house effect isn't real? herp derp, it's just the sun | ||
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Felnarion
442 Posts
Earth's weather is not static, guys. Earth's weather wasn't static before humans, it won't be during, and it won't be after. Some summers are warmer. Some are cooler. This is fact. Greenland is having a warm one. To show global warming, or climate change, you need to show a trend, over years. Localized melting events mean absolutely nothing to your theory, just as localized snow or freezing events mean nothing to a skeptic's argument. If I were a skeptic, and I told you, "It's snowing in Georgia in May, global warming clearly doesn't exist" you'd laugh me out of the room. Why then, is this okay? Why is a localized event (Which the article states the ice is already refreezing) okay when it supports your ideas, but not when it goes against them? | ||
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anomalopidae
Slovenia549 Posts
On July 25 2012 11:00 MrRicewife wrote: So what? Freaks of nature always happen. Why is everyone surprised? You all sound like ignorant fools right now lol. The article even says the ice is already freezing again. And it's just ice - I'm so confused at all these ignorant responses. Yuck, no wonder the news is the way it is, gotta feed the people what they want The next time a freak heat wave hits India - I wonder if it'll be reported. Naaa - doesn't sound like a pandemic/scare/global warming/end-of-the-world-story It's just ice It will be water when coastal cities are flooded in 50 years... Global warming exists, and it exists because of us, because we are breeding more and more animals for food (methane), because we have been sending and are continuing to send excessive amounts of carbon dioxide and NOx from all the transportation in the air. Yes it is true that earth's temperature rises and falls across eons, yet ever since the start of industrial revolution which began great consumption of fossil fuels we are seeing a rapid increase in temperature (relative to the Earth). Also yes freaks of nature happen, yet because the climate is destabilized those freaks of nature happen more often and are more devastating than they were before. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On July 25 2012 09:42 caradoc wrote: Of course it was accelerated and precipitated by climate change. But it's like attributing hurricanes to climate change, statistically there will be many many more giant hurricanes, but you can't attribute a specific event to it because the occur at different scales of causality. It's like if you have a window open at night, and you turn on a light-- many more bugs will be in the house than if the light was off, but you can't tell if any given bug came in because the light was on or not. Oh, hey, another scientist! Nice to meet you *highfive*. Or, maybe it's "solar waves" lol. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On July 25 2012 09:54 Candadar wrote: You guys have it all wrong. It's just a natural event. I mean it's still snowing in some parts of the world! Global Warming can't explain that! I mean, come on. What if we make the world a cleaner and more sustainable place to live in for no reason?! ^ this guy ... | ||
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