On July 25 2012 11:39 Perdac Curall wrote: HOLY SHIT! ICE IS MELTING IN THE SUMMER! THIS IS MOST UNNATURAL BEHAVIOUR FOR THE PLANET! WE ARE OBVIOUSLY ALL DOOMED!!
All kidding aside, if you ignore the horribly deceptive title and actually read the article it says this happens every 150 years or so and it is about the right time for this to happen, but inconvenient facts have never stopped the warm-mongers from spreading fear in the past.
Oh my 0.O Sounds like it happend 150 years ago though so it could be a rare event, could be interesting to see if this is the signs that i once read about or watched a documentary about where it goes really warm, and that triggers another ice age. The last ice age was after alot of heat wasn't it? Due to the polar caps moving all the time and then all of a sudden a big change happens which triggers the ice age? Was a documentary i watched a while back so i don't remember all the facts
On July 25 2012 22:18 Pandemona wrote: Oh my 0.O Sounds like it happend 150 years ago though so it could be a rare event, could be interesting to see if this is the signs that i once read about or watched a documentary about where it goes really warm, and that triggers another ice age. The last ice age was after alot of heat wasn't it? Due to the polar caps moving all the time and then all of a sudden a big change happens which triggers the ice age? Was a documentary i watched a while back so i don't remember all the facts
150 years ago and it's rare? People look at time in such a subjective manner, hell even us being on this planet is a blip of time, so if an event happened 150 years ago and now happened again that is not rare whatsoever...
On July 25 2012 22:18 Pandemona wrote: Oh my 0.O Sounds like it happend 150 years ago though so it could be a rare event, could be interesting to see if this is the signs that i once read about or watched a documentary about where it goes really warm, and that triggers another ice age. The last ice age was after alot of heat wasn't it? Due to the polar caps moving all the time and then all of a sudden a big change happens which triggers the ice age? Was a documentary i watched a while back so i don't remember all the facts
150 years ago and it's rare? People look at time in such a subjective manner, hell even us being on this planet is a blip of time, so if an event happened 150 years ago and now happened again that is not rare whatsoever...
150 years ago it supposidly happend, planet has been labelled as The age of the Earth is 4.404 billion years old, means its happend twenty-nine million three hundred sixty thousand times thus its rare
Plus anyway, i beleive that it refroze anyway, so even if this happens again and it refreezes as quick, does it make much difference?
On July 25 2012 22:18 Pandemona wrote: Oh my 0.O Sounds like it happend 150 years ago though so it could be a rare event, could be interesting to see if this is the signs that i once read about or watched a documentary about where it goes really warm, and that triggers another ice age. The last ice age was after alot of heat wasn't it? Due to the polar caps moving all the time and then all of a sudden a big change happens which triggers the ice age? Was a documentary i watched a while back so i don't remember all the facts
150 years ago and it's rare? People look at time in such a subjective manner, hell even us being on this planet is a blip of time, so if an event happened 150 years ago and now happened again that is not rare whatsoever...
150 years ago it supposidly happend, planet has been labelled as 2012 years old, that means its happend 13.4 times, thus its "rare" imo
Well thats just 2012 years since Jesus was born..... the earth is actually 12,000 years old according to reliable biblical sources (adding up the ages of everyone in the Abrahamic line all the way back to Adam) which still means that every 150 years is pretty rare ;p
On a serious note, even if this event is a regular and knowable phenomenon, its impact on the Earth isn't known. With higher temperatures from climate change, the ice might not refreeze (as it obviously did last time), we just don't know.
On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote: Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder.
Badly worded. But probably an element of truth to this. I'm certain mass consumption of fossil fuels contributes something to the overall heating of the planet, but I reeeeaaally doubt it's enough to cause a measurable change. But, what the fuck do I know? I'm just some jackass on the internet that has done like no research. Just a gut feeling. Heh.
What's the CO2 output from a volcano compared to humans?
On July 25 2012 09:32 Queequag101 wrote: Global warming doesn't exist the sun has times when it creates large solar waves and the earth gets warmer and times when it gets colder.
Badly worded. But probably an element of truth to this. I'm certain mass consumption of fossil fuels contributes something to the overall heating of the planet, but I reeeeaaally doubt it's enough to cause a measurable change. But, what the fuck do I know? I'm just some jackass on the internet that has done like no research. Just a gut feeling. Heh.
Queegag:
ayaz & Queegag:
If you think your computer-chair opinion is on even footing with more than 100 years of climate science, then I can only pity you.
On July 25 2012 11:31 TheToaster wrote: Global warming is probably one of the most confusing and unknown scientific studies at the moment. No one actually has a clue why climates can shift so greatly on such a large scale. It's the only reason why there's so much controversy involving global warming. There are theories and slight evidences to support both sides, but neither side really knows what the fuck is going on in the first place.
actually there is not really a controversy. The huge majority of the scientists agrees on global warming. But the uneducated clueless random people who never did anything even remotely close to climatology in their life disagrees. I hardly call that a controversy. I just don't get why people feels the urge to give their opinions on scientific facts. Science is not about opinion, noone cares what you think if you don't scientifically works on the subject
On July 25 2012 11:31 TheToaster wrote: Global warming is probably one of the most confusing and unknown scientific studies at the moment. No one actually has a clue why climates can shift so greatly on such a large scale. It's the only reason why there's so much controversy involving global warming. There are theories and slight evidences to support both sides, but neither side really knows what the fuck is going on in the first place.
actually there is not really a controversy. The huge majority of the scientists agrees on global warming. But the uneducated clueless random people who never did anything even remotely close to climatology in their life disagrees. I hardly call that a controversy. I just don't get why people feels the urge to give their opinions on scientific facts. Science is not about opinion, noone cares what you think if you don't scientifically works on the subject
I find it mind boggling how people can deny global warming. "Oh the science is just wrong, I know better" Yeah seriously?
"It's because of the sun!" -- No, it isn't, that has been proven not to be the case. "People are making money of it!" -- Ah, okay, obviously that means it's not true. "We just had a cold winter!" -- Learn how climatology works. "*links random anti global warming website* It's not true, I have this website as a source!" -- www. creationism. com "There was a petition signed by many scientists saying it's not true!" -- Yeah, and none of them were climatologists.
And I could go on and on. What explanation is there for the disbelieve?
On July 25 2012 22:18 Pandemona wrote: Oh my 0.O Sounds like it happend 150 years ago though so it could be a rare event, could be interesting to see if this is the signs that i once read about or watched a documentary about where it goes really warm, and that triggers another ice age. The last ice age was after alot of heat wasn't it? Due to the polar caps moving all the time and then all of a sudden a big change happens which triggers the ice age? Was a documentary i watched a while back so i don't remember all the facts
150 years ago and it's rare? People look at time in such a subjective manner, hell even us being on this planet is a blip of time, so if an event happened 150 years ago and now happened again that is not rare whatsoever...
150 years ago it supposidly happend, planet has been labelled as 2012 years old, that means its happend 13.4 times, thus its "rare" imo
Well thats just 2012 years since Jesus was born..... the earth is actually 12,000 years old according to reliable biblical sources (adding up the ages of everyone in the Abrahamic line all the way back to Adam) which still means that every 150 years is pretty rare ;p
On a serious note, even if this event is a regular and knowable phenomenon, its impact on the Earth isn't known. With higher temperatures from climate change, the ice might not refreeze (as it obviously did last time), we just don't know.
Sorry did you say the earth is 12,000 years old or were you just quoting ridiculous scripture to make your point... If we go by your logic, people can come from thin air, and the earth is the center of the universe. "facepalms"
On July 25 2012 11:31 TheToaster wrote: Global warming is probably one of the most confusing and unknown scientific studies at the moment. No one actually has a clue why climates can shift so greatly on such a large scale. It's the only reason why there's so much controversy involving global warming. There are theories and slight evidences to support both sides, but neither side really knows what the fuck is going on in the first place.
actually there is not really a controversy. The huge majority of the scientists agrees on global warming. But the uneducated clueless random people who never did anything even remotely close to climatology in their life disagrees. I hardly call that a controversy. I just don't get why people feels the urge to give their opinions on scientific facts. Science is not about opinion, noone cares what you think if you don't scientifically works on the subject
I find it mind boggling how people can deny global warming. "Oh the science is just wrong, I know better" Yeah seriously?
"It's because of the sun!" -- No, it isn't, that has been proven not to be the case. "People are making money of it!" -- Ah, okay, obviously that means it's not true. "We just had a cold winter!" -- Learn how climatology works. "*links random anti global warming website* It's not true, I have this website as a source!" -- www. creationism. com "There was a petition signed by many scientists saying it's not true!" -- Yeah, and none of them were climatologists.
And I could go on and on. What explanation is there for the disbelieve?
I am not disagreeing with you on all points but "its because of the sun" is actually a very valid argument, I would equate it. The sun is in a cycle, every 11 years (2012 being the 11th year) it emits (to keep it realy simple we'll call it heat) heat out into space, but about approximately every 10th 11 year cycle it builds up much hotter than usual, in retrospect, which than can actually short out telecommunications/satellites etc... It is also the cause of big heat waves which can result in this "global warming" feeling. That's why specifically the last 10 years were the "hottest ever" because it was additive of the 11 year cycle of heat emission with the inclusion of our pollution.
But are people causing it? Yes, not entirely though, I would give it 70/30 (people the 70) as an approximation.
This is a bit offtopic, but does anyone know what that moviefragment was called about how people should interlink their houses and share energy and grow their own food and stuff. It went "viral" a long time ago and I have searching ever since. I think it's about 15mins long or somehting but not sure and there's also some older guy talking about how we, as world, should start the new environmental revolution or something.
On July 25 2012 23:46 fumikey wrote: We need to send some of our water into space.
Problem: Solved.
I think instead we ought to build a massive, floating reservoir that simply hovers up and down the Atlantic corridor. We shall call it "The Eternity Pool" and all will be well.
On a side note, on exactly what is that 70/30 number based, Nemesis? Your own personal climatology genius or something concrete?
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thus its rare
