EPTNASA: Strange and sudden massive melt in Greenland - Page 25
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4356 Posts
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Arevall
Sweden1133 Posts
On April 02 2014 17:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/01/its-official-chicago-experienced-the-coldest-four-months-ever/ Ok. | ||
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sertas
Sweden888 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17433 Posts
On April 02 2014 17:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/01/its-official-chicago-experienced-the-coldest-four-months-ever/ Are they really crying about -5C? Really?! That's some mild weather. I only consider it 'cold' when temps get below -10C (14F) with at least 80% humidity (humidity has more impact on how you feel the cold than actual temperature). And we get -20C (-4F) easily here during winter. | ||
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cmdspinner1
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DrCooper
Germany261 Posts
Although I have to admit the weather is going crazy the last couple of years. At this time last year it was cold and it was snowing (I live in Germany). Today it's about 23°C and it hasn't rained since weeks. | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On April 02 2014 21:57 Arnstein wrote: Are there still people who don't believe that climate change is happening? Evidently there are people who think that unless temperature in every single area in the world is consistently rising by a couple degrees every year, then climate change is not occurring. Because every counter example I see is "well my area got colder this year than usual, global warming is a hoax!". | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On April 02 2014 21:57 Arnstein wrote: Are there still people who don't believe that climate change is happening? But maybe its changing for the better? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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imJealous
United States1382 Posts
On April 02 2014 21:57 Arnstein wrote: Are there still people who don't believe that climate change is happening? All your science and fact is no match for my personal anecdotal experience | ||
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gargantotang
7 Posts
On April 03 2014 00:52 imJealous wrote: All your science and fact is no match for my personal anecdotal experience You have to remember not everyone thinks like a scientist. If, and I'm going to use the word normal because non-scientific minds seem to be far more common, normal people hear science say "the world is heating up" and they experience the opposite, you can't expect them not to disagree with science because it is not in their natures to rigorously investigate and question what they experience. But just because they are not scientific that doesn't mean they are all stupid. Those who have seen the evidence for climate change and understand it should be patient in waiting for everyone else to "get it", and persistent in presenting the evidence. To be frank most of the time those who argue for climate change just go on about "how obvious it is" and don't tell anyone why its obvious; they have no reason to think they won't be ignored (this behavior also acts along the lines of the "everybody knows" fallacy by the way). | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On April 03 2014 04:35 gargantotang wrote: You have to remember not everyone thinks like a scientist. If, and I'm going to use the word normal because non-scientific minds seem to be far more common, normal people hear science say "the world is heating up" and they experience the opposite, you can't expect them not to disagree with science because it is not in their natures to rigorously investigate and question what they experience. But just because they are not scientific that doesn't mean they are all stupid. Those who have seen the evidence for climate change and understand it should be patient in waiting for everyone else to "get it", and persistent in presenting the evidence. To be frank most of the time those who argue for climate change just go on about "how obvious it is" and don't tell anyone why its obvious; they have no reason to think they won't be ignored (this behavior also acts along the lines of the "everybody knows" fallacy by the way). Well I would argue that the human factor in climate change is as evident as the human factor in creating environments where germs or bacteria thrive, the people who don't want to believe that their vehicles and factories constantly spewing out green house gases might influence climate change for what ever political or religious or personal reason; are just like the people who don't want to believe that their vehicles and factories constantly spewing out toxic shit into the environment might create cesspools of infection or disease. There isn't a single scientific body of national or international standing that rejects the findings of human-induced effects on climate change right now. You can always find dissenting voices in any community, there's probably a much higher number of doctors who don't believe in vaccination for political / religious / personal reasons than there are scientists or climatologists who don't believe in climate change. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Climate_science_opinion2.png | ||
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gargantotang
7 Posts
On April 03 2014 04:53 Caihead wrote: Well I would argue that the human factor in climate change is as evident as the human factor in creating environments where germs or bacteria thrive, the people who don't want to believe that their vehicles and factories constantly spewing out green house gases might influence climate change for what ever political or religious or personal reason; are just like the people who don't want to believe that their vehicles and factories constantly spewing out toxic shit into the environment might create cesspools of infection or disease. There isn't a single scientific body of national or international standing that rejects the findings of human-induced effects on climate change right now. You can always find dissenting voices in any community, there's probably a much higher number of doctors who don't believe in vaccination for political / religious / personal reasons than there are scientists or climatologists who don't believe in climate change. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Climate_science_opinion2.png I agree with you that many people don't want to believe in climate change, for what ever reason. I also agree that scientists are almost unanimous in that we are affecting climate change. But to reassert my point: we need to stop simply shouting "climate change is true!" and then point to the scientific community; we need to argue why its true. And its not that hard, fairly straight forward evidence is not that hard to find: + Show Spoiler + . I am hopeful that if the evidence is presented and time is given for it to be thought through most people will at least admit that climate change is a valid argument; to be honest with time I think most will accept it wholeheartedly, if they are shown the reasons why it is valid. Will they then do something about it? There I am less hopeful  .EDIT -- spelling error | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
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