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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 13 2013 18:24 GMT
#3341
Breaking: Al-Qaeda linked rebels kidnap 120 Syrian Kurds – watchdog
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HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 18:54:02
December 13 2013 18:50 GMT
#3342
Islamic Front seizes FSA warehouses
Influencing events in Syria just got a lot harder for the Obama administration and its allies. Despite receiving months of training, diplomatic support and aid from the West, the Free Syrian Army's command has lost control of its headquarters and supply depots in northern Syria to the recently formed Islamic Front -- another sign that the balance among rebel forces is tipping toward militant groups away from more secular brigades.
The warehouses -- belonging to the FSA's Supreme Military Command (SMC) -- are at Bab al Hawa, a border crossing into Turkey. There are conflicting reports about just how they were taken over and what they held. The head of the SMC, Gen. Salim Idris, told CNN that only food and other humanitarian supplies were taken; other FSA officials say guns and two tons of ammunition were removed.
Turkish authorities closed the Bab al Hawa crossing after the Islamic Front occupied the Syrian side. Different Islamist militant groups now control several areas along Syria's border with Turkey, making the resupply of the SMC more difficult..
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The news outlets are swarming with news like these whereby it would seem that Islamic Front fighters have seized FSA equipment. Some even go as far as to say that there were clashes and a number of fighters died. The official FSA position on the situation is the following:

FSA 'asked' Islamic Front to help them against ISIS
Syria's Western-backed opposition said on Thursday it had invited Islamist fighters to secure its depots on the Turkish frontier after an attack by al Qaeda militants.
The United States and Britain suspended non-lethal aid to northern Syria after reports that Islamic Front forces had taken buildings belonging to the coalition's Syrian Military Council (SMC) in Bab al-Hawa on the border with Turkey.
But the opposition Syrian National Coalition said it had in fact asked the Islamic Front, a union of six major rebel groups, to defend the premises against fighters from the al Qaeda-affiliated Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).
"The SMC warehouses were overrun by ISIL ... As a result of that, (SMC leader) General Salim Idris sent a request to the Islamic Front to protect these warehouses," coalition spokesman Khaled Saleh said in Istanbul.
"The Islamic Front came in and managed to push ISIL back and they are waiting for General Idris's group to come and take control of their warehouses," he said.
source

While the official position of the Islamic Front is the following (found on @Ahraralsham twitter):
Islamic Front denies attacking FSA
Aid trucks have continued to enter Syria from Bab Al-Hawa crossing point after several parties and news channels
tried to spread misleading rumours that Turkey has closed the border because of alleged conflict between
The Islamic Front and General Staff of the Free Syrian Army. The Islamic Front ran several buses to help passengers
move between Turkey and Syria for free; at the same time, the Front intensified the safety measures that the people in
charge of the crossing point have discussed their importance for serving the passengers.

The Political Bureau

Mr Hassan Abboud, head of the political body in the Islamic Front, welcomed the initiative of doctor Yusuf Al-Ahmad to solve the problems in the town of Maskanah with The Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham; Mr Abboud also confirmed that The Islamic Front has released all the prisoners of the Islamic State, and he said that the Islamic State should give back all the weapons and strongholds that some of its members previously took in Maskanah by Friday noon as a proof that the State is willing to make the Islamic law the only judge between them.
source

This narrative fits much better with various other bits of information coming out of Syria, like the supposed clashes between ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Sham) and Ahrar Al Sham (part of Islamic Front) in the town of Maskenh, near Aleppo. Note that this comes after ISIS supposedly kidnapped Ahrar Al Sham commanders few months ago, after ''mistakenly'' killing one of Ahrar Al Sham's commanders and after, also ''mistakenly'', beheading (it's an article that has some potentially graphic images which are bleached in some parts, but if you have a strong imagination, maybe better not to open it, although the article is recommended) an another Ahrar Al Sham commander.

There were also reports of clashes between Nusra and ISIS in the town of Raqqa. For further reading on rebel vs rebel (or better ISIS vs rest) growing tensions:
Rebel vs. Rrebel
The Battle for a Syrian Caliphate
Notes on the Growing Struggle between ISIS, Nusra/Ahrar, and other factions of the FSA (Potentially graphic)
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 14 2013 06:37 GMT
#3343



Unconfirmed: Pro-opposition and pro-government activist reports of the death of Colonel Hamed Makhlouf (a cousin of Assad).

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 14 2013 06:49 GMT
#3344
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
December 14 2013 20:32 GMT
#3345
So according to NATO, the approval rating of Assad is still around 70% and has been stable for over a year while only around 10% support the rebels. Of course its been like this from the beginning but as we all know someone had an interest in destroying every single stable country in the region. The only safe place in the country is the Alawite coast which is securely in the hands of the Syrian people, Damascus is getting back to normal but I would say it will be as safe as Mogadishu for a long time to come while Aleppo is still a bitter warzone. The Kurds will most likely want to break off from the country if they can, they are used to standing their ground against the jihad rebel hordes so they should be seen as more of an ally to Syria for now.

The original "western backed" rebels are dead, the handful of anti-Assad liberals left are trying to fight off hordes of Islamists imported from the Gulf who want to impose Wahabbi fundamentalist Sharia law in Syria. Most cities where the armed rebellions started (Homs/Hama) are literally uninhabitable wastelands, WWII levels of destruction. Things like electricity and water seem like a pipe dream. Syrian economy and civilian infrastructure is absolutely fucked, it will take 50 years for it to get even near the second-world levels it used to be at again.

Absolutely disgusting how the media circus around the arab spring brought so much pain and suffering to these countries. B-b-but CNN told me evul dick-tator! Fuck off. Blindly funding the global jihad for 'humanitarian reasons' is why those planes hit the twin towers in the first place.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18291 Posts
December 15 2013 00:46 GMT
#3346
According to NATO? Link please? I have a hard time picturing NATO polling public opinion in a country that is currently in the middle of one of the most brutal civil wars of recent history.
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
December 15 2013 01:00 GMT
#3347
On December 15 2013 09:46 Acrofales wrote:
According to NATO? Link please? I have a hard time picturing NATO polling public opinion in a country that is currently in the middle of one of the most brutal civil wars of recent history.


You are looking for sources in a post that said the US deserved 9/11 because media spins wars? Good luck

Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18291 Posts
December 15 2013 01:02 GMT
#3348
On December 15 2013 10:00 Catch]22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 09:46 Acrofales wrote:
According to NATO? Link please? I have a hard time picturing NATO polling public opinion in a country that is currently in the middle of one of the most brutal civil wars of recent history.


You are looking for sources in a post that said the US deserved 9/11 because media spins wars? Good luck


You assume I read further than the first few sentences before questioning the validity of the whole thing
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 15 2013 03:41 GMT
#3349
(Reuters) - Opponents of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad have been at an impossible disadvantage since the start of the Syrian conflict because the United States and Britain refused to help them, an influential Saudi Arabian prince said on Saturday.

The United States and Britain suspended non-lethal aid to northern Syria on Thursday after reports that Islamic Front - a union of six major rebel groups - had taken buildings belonging to the Free Syrian Army's (FSA) Syrian Military Council on the border with Turkey.

Former Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki bin Faisal criticized the decision, saying the two countries had left the moderate FSA to fend for itself.


Source
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
December 15 2013 03:44 GMT
#3350
What are the odds of the US going in there now ?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-15 11:46:00
December 15 2013 11:27 GMT
#3351
On December 15 2013 10:02 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 10:00 Catch]22 wrote:
On December 15 2013 09:46 Acrofales wrote:
According to NATO? Link please? I have a hard time picturing NATO polling public opinion in a country that is currently in the middle of one of the most brutal civil wars of recent history.


You are looking for sources in a post that said the US deserved 9/11 because media spins wars? Good luck


You assume I read further than the first few sentences before questioning the validity of the whole thing

I assumed people knew how to use google.
http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/05/31/nato-data-assad-winning-the-war-for-syrians-hearts-and-minds/
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda

On December 15 2013 10:00 Catch]22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 09:46 Acrofales wrote:
According to NATO? Link please? I have a hard time picturing NATO polling public opinion in a country that is currently in the middle of one of the most brutal civil wars of recent history.


You are looking for sources in a post that said the US deserved 9/11 because media spins wars? Good luck

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"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 16 2013 18:32 GMT
#3352
BEIRUT (AP) — Syrian government aircraft pounded opposition areas in the northern city of Aleppo and near the southern border with Jordan on Monday, a day after airstrikes killed at least 76 people, while the United Nations issued a record appeal for $6.5 billion to help the millions of Syrians uprooted by their homeland's civil war.

President Bashar Assad's air force is his greatest advantage in the country's civil war, and he has successfully exploited it to stem and even roll back rebel advances across the country. Human rights groups say Syrian military aircraft have carried out indiscriminate air raids that frequently hit civilian targets, such as hospitals, bakeries and residential areas.

The government has relied on its air power in particular in northern Syria, much of which fell to opposition fighters over the course of the past year. One of the major battlegrounds on that front is Aleppo, where Assad's forces and rebels have been bogged down in a bloody fight since rebels launched an assault on the city in mid-2012.

With no end in sight to the fighting, the humanitarian situation is worsening among 8.8 million Syrians who have been uprooted from their homes. Of those, 6.5 million are internally displaced and the other 2.3 million have sought refuge abroad.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 16 2013 18:54 GMT
#3353
Info from battles of East Ghouta are starting to stream in, tons of videos apparently as well as heavy casualties on both sides particularly pro Assad forces:






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http://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/1t0mum/live_thread_rebel_blackout_lifted_in_east_ghouta/
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 20:54:22
December 16 2013 20:51 GMT
#3354
Are these airstrike hitting rebel positions?



Apperently all released videos are here and here
"I do not join. I lead." - Queen of Blades
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 21:04:54
December 16 2013 21:01 GMT
#3355
Blindly funding the global jihad for 'humanitarian reasons' is why those planes hit the twin towers in the first place.


Saudi Arabia and Pakistan didn't blindly fund global jihad, they did it with very specific purposes in mind, most of which they have accomplished but are now in danger thanks to Iran. Which is why you see Saudi Arabia being backer numero uno of the Islamist Syrian rebels...

It may just come as a surprise to you, but "Muslim" countries are not unpowered, mindless robots lying around until the West gives them a spark and tells them what to do or they reject the West telling them what to do. They have their own ideas, their own goals, their own methods, their own power centers and power jockeying that have been going on for hundreds of years before the modern concept of the "West" ever existed.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
December 16 2013 21:24 GMT
#3356
On December 15 2013 20:27 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 10:02 Acrofales wrote:
On December 15 2013 10:00 Catch]22 wrote:
On December 15 2013 09:46 Acrofales wrote:
According to NATO? Link please? I have a hard time picturing NATO polling public opinion in a country that is currently in the middle of one of the most brutal civil wars of recent history.


You are looking for sources in a post that said the US deserved 9/11 because media spins wars? Good luck


You assume I read further than the first few sentences before questioning the validity of the whole thing

I assumed people knew how to use google.
http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/05/31/nato-data-assad-winning-the-war-for-syrians-hearts-and-minds/
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda

Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 10:00 Catch]22 wrote:
On December 15 2013 09:46 Acrofales wrote:
According to NATO? Link please? I have a hard time picturing NATO polling public opinion in a country that is currently in the middle of one of the most brutal civil wars of recent history.


You are looking for sources in a post that said the US deserved 9/11 because media spins wars? Good luck

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You continue to defend yourself by saying that since the US funded/helped Bin Laden to remove a soviet occupation from his homeland, the US, and more importantly the 3000 civilians inside the towers deserved to die?

How is this guy not banned?
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 21:56:13
December 16 2013 21:54 GMT
#3357
On December 17 2013 06:24 Catch]22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 20:27 zeo wrote:
On December 15 2013 10:02 Acrofales wrote:
On December 15 2013 10:00 Catch]22 wrote:
On December 15 2013 09:46 Acrofales wrote:
According to NATO? Link please? I have a hard time picturing NATO polling public opinion in a country that is currently in the middle of one of the most brutal civil wars of recent history.


You are looking for sources in a post that said the US deserved 9/11 because media spins wars? Good luck


You assume I read further than the first few sentences before questioning the validity of the whole thing

I assumed people knew how to use google.
http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/05/31/nato-data-assad-winning-the-war-for-syrians-hearts-and-minds/
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda

On December 15 2013 10:00 Catch]22 wrote:
On December 15 2013 09:46 Acrofales wrote:
According to NATO? Link please? I have a hard time picturing NATO polling public opinion in a country that is currently in the middle of one of the most brutal civil wars of recent history.


You are looking for sources in a post that said the US deserved 9/11 because media spins wars? Good luck

[image loading]


You continue to defend yourself by saying that since the US funded/helped Bin Laden to remove a soviet occupation from his homeland, the US, and more importantly the 3000 civilians inside the towers deserved to die?

How is this guy not banned?

Never did I say that those people deserved to die, what a horrible thing to say. What I said was that the members of the Clinton administration should have known better than to have done the things that they did, and that the media should not have been just and extended arm of the State Department. All this could have been avoided and it is a very sad thing is no one will ever be impeached.
Calling for a ban just because someone doesn't agree with you? Twisting words? That's low
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 16 2013 21:54 GMT
#3358



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQQXppg1PiA
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
December 16 2013 22:02 GMT
#3359
On December 17 2013 06:01 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
Blindly funding the global jihad for 'humanitarian reasons' is why those planes hit the twin towers in the first place.


Saudi Arabia and Pakistan didn't blindly fund global jihad, they did it with very specific purposes in mind, most of which they have accomplished but are now in danger thanks to Iran. Which is why you see Saudi Arabia being backer numero uno of the Islamist Syrian rebels...

It may just come as a surprise to you, but "Muslim" countries are not unpowered, mindless robots lying around until the West gives them a spark and tells them what to do or they reject the West telling them what to do. They have their own ideas, their own goals, their own methods, their own power centers and power jockeying that have been going on for hundreds of years before the modern concept of the "West" ever existed.

Funny thing is that after this 'arab spring' there are no more stable second world countries not under the control of Saudi Arabia in the region. Instead we have tribal nations under Sharia Law.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 22:07:22
December 16 2013 22:04 GMT
#3360
All this could have been avoided and it is a very sad thing is no one will ever be impeached.


More of that American chauvinism, thinking America can cause (or not cause) anything to happen, non-Americans are just sitting around waiting for America to do or not do something. They have no motivations of their own, it's all America! Thanks for the compliment, but America is not that hegemonic.

What I said was that the members of the Clinton administration should have known better than to have done the things that they did, and that the media should not have been just and extended arm of the State Department.


What did the Clinton Administration do? You're aware that it was the Reagan Administration that funded muhajideen (not bin Laden, bin Laden was never funded by the CIA or the ISI, he was funded by his own personal fortune, donations from Gulf million- and billionaires, and the Saudi Arabian government), that it was the George H.W. Bush Administration that accepted the request of Saudi Arabia to put American soldiers in Saudi Arabia to protect it from Saddam (the reason for bin Laden's jihad as he stated himself, remember? Our "occupation" of Saudi Arabia and propping up of its godless government, obviously godless because they invited infidels to dirty the pure Muslim soil of the Arabian peninsula)? What did Bill Clinton do to provoke Muslim terrorists? Bomb Serbia to stop Muslims from being killed by Christians? Implicitly take Pakistan's side, again and again and again, during the late 1990s flare-ups with India?

You have a very inaccurate view of history and a very dim view of people who aren't Americans. I assure you, they can and do have their own ideas, their own goals, and their own methods for achieving them. American involvement is not required.

Funny thing is that after this 'arab spring' there are no more stable second world countries not under the control of Saudi Arabia in the region. Instead we have tribal nations under Sharia Law.


And so? I'm describing the situation, which is in reality vastly different from your description of it. These countries fund extremism and violence for their own ends and they have done it against each other and against the entire rest of the world for some time, not because they were peaceful folks just minding their own business until America and the West started oppressing them and they had no choice.
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