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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6336 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 00:00:10
December 16 2013 22:36 GMT
#3361
About Bosnia
http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0110/msg00060.html
Many 'charities' sending 'aid' to Bosnia were in fact only platforms used to cipher money intended for humanitarian relief into buying weapons and other military supplies. The Saudi High Commission, a branch of the Saudi government poured tens of millions of dollars into mujaheddin units in Bosnia led by al-Qaeda operatives who fought with Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan. More than 4000 foreign fighters whose only goal in life was to purge the infidels, where do you think these people went after Bosnia? Not to mention known al-Qaeda terrorists drove around in diplomatic license plates ect. ect.
Later the terrorist fields in Bosnia set up with Saudi millions were used to train terrorists, and were used to train the 9/11 attackers.

What you say is reasonable, but bad decisions were made. Every country makes mistakes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend and so on.

EDIT: Sorry for the off topic, I won't be posting about this anymore in this thread
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 00:57:49
December 17 2013 00:56 GMT
#3362


Whole families murdered’: Syrian rebels execute over 80 civilians outside Damascus

Over 80 civilians in a town northwest of the Syrian capital of Damascus have been executed by Islamist rebels, sources within the Syrian military told RT. Many others were kidnapped to be used as human shields.

Government forces are continuing a large-scale operation against Jabhat al-Nusra and Liwa Al-Islam fighters, who captured the town earlier this week. The area is located some 20 kilometers away from Damascus.

According to SANA news agency, around 1,000 militants were in the town when it was enveloped by the army on Friday.

The military sources said the “armed groups have performed an execution of civilians” in Adra, RT Arabic correspondent Abutaleb Albohaya reported from Syria.

“For now it’s established that over 80 people were killed in the areas now taken over by the army. Often whole families were murdered,” he said.

The number of executed civilians is expected to rise after government troops manage to recover the rest of the town - which has a population of around 20,000 - from the Islamists, the military source added.

“Some families were kidnapped in order to be used as human shields in areas where the Syrian army is now trying to free the civilians,” Albohaya stressed. Iraqi Al-Ahd television says this is the reason the Syrian army is abstaining from using artillery on Sunday.

“The military sources also said that the other kidnapped families were moved to the area south of Adra in the direction of the town of Douma, which has been the opposition’s strategic backland since the start of the Syrian crisis [in March, 2011]. It’s also where the most important rebel fortifications are situated,” Albohaya said.

The rebel presence remains strong in Adra, with “snipers entrenched in high-rise buildings,” he added. “Many opposition militant groups are still acting in areas outside and within the town.”

The army’s special forces have performed several successful operations against those groups, which have resulted in the deaths of dozens of militants, the military source said.

The military is storming every house and has already freed dozens of Alawite, Druze, and Christian families from the rebels, Al-Ahd reported.

The government troops have cornered a highway leading to the international airport in Damascus, which is situated four kilometers away from Adra.

The military does not exclude the possibility that militants will break through the blockade in this direction, putting the nearby town of Dahiyat al Asad in danger, according to Al-Ahd.


People toasted in ovens’

What the Islamist rebels did when they entered Adra on Wednesday morning was a “massacre,” one a local resident told RT.

“The situation was terrible - with killing, atrocities, and fear as the background. Unidentified armed men came into town, but it was obvious that they were Jabhat al-Nusra militants,” Muhammad Al-Said said.

“The worst crime they committed was that they toasted people in ovens used to bake bread when those people came to buy it. They kidnapped and beat up many,” he added.

According to Al-Said, the rebels committed the atrocities so they could place blame on government forces.

But the resident said that Adra citizens are “waiting for Syrian troops to save us from the terrorists, who came from other countries.”

“Those, who could, fled to Damascus. Some hid in the basement, with infants, the elderly, women, and sick people among them. The situation was really terrible,” Al-Said said.

Geopolitical analyst Patrick Henningsen sees foreign encouragement of rebel forces as one of the reasons behind the Adra tragedy.

“What it does indicate… is that there is involvement by the western intelligence agencies that have links to some of those radical jihadist groups,” Henningsen told RT. “And that has been proven throughout history and is also the case today. The first thing that needs to happen for any peace talks to succeed is that Western governments cannot be involved in any way, shape or form, either through proxies or through the intelligence agencies or third parties in arming, financing, giving aid of any kind to the Syrian opposition.”

Meanwhile, an estimated 76 people, including 24 children were killed when the Syrian government reportedly launched a series of airstrikes in rebel-held districts throughout the northern industrial city of Aleppo. Helicopters dropped barrels containing TNT explosives on anywhere between 6 and 10 districts, leveling shops, entire apartment complexes and sections of roads. It was reportedly the worst bombing raid on rebel-held territory in over 6 months.

Aleppo, Syria's largest city by population and one time commercial hub, is now divided between areas occupied by troops loyal to President Bashar al-Assad and rebel fighters.

Large swaths of the city have been decimated after rebels launched a major offensive in July 2012.

The bloody civil war has been raging in Syria for almost three years. According to UN estimates, over 100,000 people have lost their lives in the conflict.


Edit: Source + Show Spoiler +
http://rt.com/news/syria-adra-civilian-execution-289/
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Uvantak
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Uruguay1381 Posts
December 17 2013 01:47 GMT
#3363
Man please don't quote RT, they are not a really reliable fount of information regarding the Syrian conflict, they are extremely biased and a lot of time will publish news without first confirming them.
When Aljazeera or other news sources start publishing more about this i will believe it, but i won't put my hands on the fire for RT alone.
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EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
December 17 2013 02:08 GMT
#3364
On December 17 2013 10:47 Uvantak wrote:
Man please don't quote RT, they are not a really reliable fount of information regarding the Syrian conflict, they are extremely biased and a lot of time will publish news without first confirming them.
When Aljazeera or other news sources start publishing more about this i will believe it, but i won't put my hands on the fire for RT alone.

Al Jazeera, no matter how great channel they may be otherwise is still a Qatar based channel and won't work against the Emir's interests, and Qatar is known to support the rebels so they aren't neutral either (still a good source though).
Uvantak
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Uruguay1381 Posts
December 17 2013 02:19 GMT
#3365
On December 17 2013 11:08 EtherealBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 10:47 Uvantak wrote:
Man please don't quote RT, they are not a really reliable fount of information regarding the Syrian conflict, they are extremely biased and a lot of time will publish news without first confirming them.
When Aljazeera or other news sources start publishing more about this i will believe it, but i won't put my hands on the fire for RT alone.

Al Jazeera, no matter how great channel they may be otherwise is still a Qatar based channel and won't work against the Emir's interests, and Qatar is known to support the rebels so they aren't neutral either (still a good source though).

Yeah, but is still on a different level than RT, and that's my point, specially now after the huge bombings on Aleppo RT could perfectly be making this up to cover that (or it could not!), that's why i'm pleading towards quoting more than just one font and even more a fount like RT that is know for publishing stuff without double checking and then carry on with that like nothing is happening, even more, at this time at least one NGO would have reported about this already and that has not happened yet.
So pardon me if i'm skeptical but i'm really reticent about those news that RT publishes about Syria. (But beware that i'm not saying that Al Nursa/ISIS & company haven't committed war crimes or anything like that because those fuckers have, and good time.)
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 17 2013 05:14 GMT
#3366
A car bomb exploded near a Hezbollah position in eastern Lebanon at dawn on Tuesday, causing an unknown number of casualties, a security source told AFP on condition of anonymity.

“A blast went off at around 4:00 am (0200 GMT)... near a Hezbollah position in Sbouba... causing deaths and injuries,” said the source, adding that the explosion was caused by a car bomb.

Residents of the area meanwhile said they heard the sound of sirens as ambulances headed towards the scene of the blast.

The source said members of the powerful Shiite movement Hezbollah and security forces quickly deployed in the area.


Source
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 17 2013 06:17 GMT
#3367
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 17:35:56
December 17 2013 17:35 GMT
#3368
On December 17 2013 09:56 TheRealArtemis wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjNW4o1gnsg#t=106

Whole families murdered’: Syrian rebels execute over 80 civilians outside Damascus

Show nested quote +
Over 80 civilians in a town northwest of the Syrian capital of Damascus have been executed by Islamist rebels, sources within the Syrian military told RT. Many others were kidnapped to be used as human shields.

Government forces are continuing a large-scale operation against Jabhat al-Nusra and Liwa Al-Islam fighters, who captured the town earlier this week. The area is located some 20 kilometers away from Damascus.

According to SANA news agency, around 1,000 militants were in the town when it was enveloped by the army on Friday.

The military sources said the “armed groups have performed an execution of civilians” in Adra, RT Arabic correspondent Abutaleb Albohaya reported from Syria.

“For now it’s established that over 80 people were killed in the areas now taken over by the army. Often whole families were murdered,” he said.

The number of executed civilians is expected to rise after government troops manage to recover the rest of the town - which has a population of around 20,000 - from the Islamists, the military source added.

“Some families were kidnapped in order to be used as human shields in areas where the Syrian army is now trying to free the civilians,” Albohaya stressed. Iraqi Al-Ahd television says this is the reason the Syrian army is abstaining from using artillery on Sunday.

“The military sources also said that the other kidnapped families were moved to the area south of Adra in the direction of the town of Douma, which has been the opposition’s strategic backland since the start of the Syrian crisis [in March, 2011]. It’s also where the most important rebel fortifications are situated,” Albohaya said.

The rebel presence remains strong in Adra, with “snipers entrenched in high-rise buildings,” he added. “Many opposition militant groups are still acting in areas outside and within the town.”

The army’s special forces have performed several successful operations against those groups, which have resulted in the deaths of dozens of militants, the military source said.

The military is storming every house and has already freed dozens of Alawite, Druze, and Christian families from the rebels, Al-Ahd reported.

The government troops have cornered a highway leading to the international airport in Damascus, which is situated four kilometers away from Adra.

The military does not exclude the possibility that militants will break through the blockade in this direction, putting the nearby town of Dahiyat al Asad in danger, according to Al-Ahd.


People toasted in ovens’

Show nested quote +
What the Islamist rebels did when they entered Adra on Wednesday morning was a “massacre,” one a local resident told RT.

“The situation was terrible - with killing, atrocities, and fear as the background. Unidentified armed men came into town, but it was obvious that they were Jabhat al-Nusra militants,” Muhammad Al-Said said.

“The worst crime they committed was that they toasted people in ovens used to bake bread when those people came to buy it. They kidnapped and beat up many,” he added.

According to Al-Said, the rebels committed the atrocities so they could place blame on government forces.

But the resident said that Adra citizens are “waiting for Syrian troops to save us from the terrorists, who came from other countries.”

“Those, who could, fled to Damascus. Some hid in the basement, with infants, the elderly, women, and sick people among them. The situation was really terrible,” Al-Said said.

Geopolitical analyst Patrick Henningsen sees foreign encouragement of rebel forces as one of the reasons behind the Adra tragedy.

“What it does indicate… is that there is involvement by the western intelligence agencies that have links to some of those radical jihadist groups,” Henningsen told RT. “And that has been proven throughout history and is also the case today. The first thing that needs to happen for any peace talks to succeed is that Western governments cannot be involved in any way, shape or form, either through proxies or through the intelligence agencies or third parties in arming, financing, giving aid of any kind to the Syrian opposition.”

Meanwhile, an estimated 76 people, including 24 children were killed when the Syrian government reportedly launched a series of airstrikes in rebel-held districts throughout the northern industrial city of Aleppo. Helicopters dropped barrels containing TNT explosives on anywhere between 6 and 10 districts, leveling shops, entire apartment complexes and sections of roads. It was reportedly the worst bombing raid on rebel-held territory in over 6 months.

Aleppo, Syria's largest city by population and one time commercial hub, is now divided between areas occupied by troops loyal to President Bashar al-Assad and rebel fighters.

Large swaths of the city have been decimated after rebels launched a major offensive in July 2012.

The bloody civil war has been raging in Syria for almost three years. According to UN estimates, over 100,000 people have lost their lives in the conflict.


Edit: Source + Show Spoiler +
http://rt.com/news/syria-adra-civilian-execution-289/


Pro-Assad sites are reporting a massacre, pro-opposition sites are reporting Bashar's army casualties. So who are going to believe? Unfortunately there is no neutral news outlet, because it seems everyone has a stake in Syria
"I do not join. I lead." - Queen of Blades
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 18:17:25
December 17 2013 18:13 GMT
#3369
Russia and US made a deal to watch and help Syria burn for as long as they can. the idea was to teach EU a lesson, making their pipe dreams ... well, a pipe dream.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
December 18 2013 00:16 GMT
#3370
On December 18 2013 02:35 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 09:56 TheRealArtemis wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjNW4o1gnsg#t=106

Whole families murdered’: Syrian rebels execute over 80 civilians outside Damascus

Over 80 civilians in a town northwest of the Syrian capital of Damascus have been executed by Islamist rebels, sources within the Syrian military told RT. Many others were kidnapped to be used as human shields.

Government forces are continuing a large-scale operation against Jabhat al-Nusra and Liwa Al-Islam fighters, who captured the town earlier this week. The area is located some 20 kilometers away from Damascus.

According to SANA news agency, around 1,000 militants were in the town when it was enveloped by the army on Friday.

The military sources said the “armed groups have performed an execution of civilians” in Adra, RT Arabic correspondent Abutaleb Albohaya reported from Syria.

“For now it’s established that over 80 people were killed in the areas now taken over by the army. Often whole families were murdered,” he said.

The number of executed civilians is expected to rise after government troops manage to recover the rest of the town - which has a population of around 20,000 - from the Islamists, the military source added.

“Some families were kidnapped in order to be used as human shields in areas where the Syrian army is now trying to free the civilians,” Albohaya stressed. Iraqi Al-Ahd television says this is the reason the Syrian army is abstaining from using artillery on Sunday.

“The military sources also said that the other kidnapped families were moved to the area south of Adra in the direction of the town of Douma, which has been the opposition’s strategic backland since the start of the Syrian crisis [in March, 2011]. It’s also where the most important rebel fortifications are situated,” Albohaya said.

The rebel presence remains strong in Adra, with “snipers entrenched in high-rise buildings,” he added. “Many opposition militant groups are still acting in areas outside and within the town.”

The army’s special forces have performed several successful operations against those groups, which have resulted in the deaths of dozens of militants, the military source said.

The military is storming every house and has already freed dozens of Alawite, Druze, and Christian families from the rebels, Al-Ahd reported.

The government troops have cornered a highway leading to the international airport in Damascus, which is situated four kilometers away from Adra.

The military does not exclude the possibility that militants will break through the blockade in this direction, putting the nearby town of Dahiyat al Asad in danger, according to Al-Ahd.


People toasted in ovens’

What the Islamist rebels did when they entered Adra on Wednesday morning was a “massacre,” one a local resident told RT.

“The situation was terrible - with killing, atrocities, and fear as the background. Unidentified armed men came into town, but it was obvious that they were Jabhat al-Nusra militants,” Muhammad Al-Said said.

“The worst crime they committed was that they toasted people in ovens used to bake bread when those people came to buy it. They kidnapped and beat up many,” he added.

According to Al-Said, the rebels committed the atrocities so they could place blame on government forces.

But the resident said that Adra citizens are “waiting for Syrian troops to save us from the terrorists, who came from other countries.”

“Those, who could, fled to Damascus. Some hid in the basement, with infants, the elderly, women, and sick people among them. The situation was really terrible,” Al-Said said.

Geopolitical analyst Patrick Henningsen sees foreign encouragement of rebel forces as one of the reasons behind the Adra tragedy.

“What it does indicate… is that there is involvement by the western intelligence agencies that have links to some of those radical jihadist groups,” Henningsen told RT. “And that has been proven throughout history and is also the case today. The first thing that needs to happen for any peace talks to succeed is that Western governments cannot be involved in any way, shape or form, either through proxies or through the intelligence agencies or third parties in arming, financing, giving aid of any kind to the Syrian opposition.”

Meanwhile, an estimated 76 people, including 24 children were killed when the Syrian government reportedly launched a series of airstrikes in rebel-held districts throughout the northern industrial city of Aleppo. Helicopters dropped barrels containing TNT explosives on anywhere between 6 and 10 districts, leveling shops, entire apartment complexes and sections of roads. It was reportedly the worst bombing raid on rebel-held territory in over 6 months.

Aleppo, Syria's largest city by population and one time commercial hub, is now divided between areas occupied by troops loyal to President Bashar al-Assad and rebel fighters.

Large swaths of the city have been decimated after rebels launched a major offensive in July 2012.

The bloody civil war has been raging in Syria for almost three years. According to UN estimates, over 100,000 people have lost their lives in the conflict.


Edit: Source + Show Spoiler +
http://rt.com/news/syria-adra-civilian-execution-289/


Pro-Assad sites are reporting a massacre, pro-opposition sites are reporting Bashar's army casualties. So who are going to believe? Unfortunately there is no neutral news outlet, because it seems everyone has a stake in Syria


Yeah but RT is obviously a propaganda outlet, I mean it doesn't even try to hide it sometimes. Like Uvantek said they report things without verification and constantly interview anyone remotely anti-american no matter how crazy they are or how low their credibility is (alex jones a billion times, some of their other hosts are actually anarchists who somehow never question the Russian government). All of their news is anti-american, no surprise you hear in that article supposed links to western intelligence agencies. I don't know who to believe either, but lets just leave RT out of it entirely
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
December 18 2013 00:27 GMT
#3371
On December 18 2013 03:13 xM(Z wrote:
Russia and US made a deal to watch and help Syria burn for as long as they can. the idea was to teach EU a lesson, making their pipe dreams ... well, a pipe dream.


I'm genuinely interested in why you think what you just said makes any sense whatsoever.
dude bro.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18214 Posts
December 18 2013 05:27 GMT
#3372
On December 18 2013 09:27 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:13 xM(Z wrote:
Russia and US made a deal to watch and help Syria burn for as long as they can. the idea was to teach EU a lesson, making their pipe dreams ... well, a pipe dream.


I'm genuinely interested in why you think what you just said makes any sense whatsoever.

Ooh look. Someone who hasn't yet learned that the first rule of the GD forum is to never engage xmz in a discussion
HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 12:38:00
December 18 2013 12:37 GMT
#3373
On December 18 2013 09:16 radscorpion9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 02:35 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
On December 17 2013 09:56 TheRealArtemis wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjNW4o1gnsg#t=106

Whole families murdered’: Syrian rebels execute over 80 civilians outside Damascus

Over 80 civilians in a town northwest of the Syrian capital of Damascus have been executed by Islamist rebels, sources within the Syrian military told RT. Many others were kidnapped to be used as human shields.

Government forces are continuing a large-scale operation against Jabhat al-Nusra and Liwa Al-Islam fighters, who captured the town earlier this week. The area is located some 20 kilometers away from Damascus.

According to SANA news agency, around 1,000 militants were in the town when it was enveloped by the army on Friday.

The military sources said the “armed groups have performed an execution of civilians” in Adra, RT Arabic correspondent Abutaleb Albohaya reported from Syria.

“For now it’s established that over 80 people were killed in the areas now taken over by the army. Often whole families were murdered,” he said.

The number of executed civilians is expected to rise after government troops manage to recover the rest of the town - which has a population of around 20,000 - from the Islamists, the military source added.

“Some families were kidnapped in order to be used as human shields in areas where the Syrian army is now trying to free the civilians,” Albohaya stressed. Iraqi Al-Ahd television says this is the reason the Syrian army is abstaining from using artillery on Sunday.

“The military sources also said that the other kidnapped families were moved to the area south of Adra in the direction of the town of Douma, which has been the opposition’s strategic backland since the start of the Syrian crisis [in March, 2011]. It’s also where the most important rebel fortifications are situated,” Albohaya said.

The rebel presence remains strong in Adra, with “snipers entrenched in high-rise buildings,” he added. “Many opposition militant groups are still acting in areas outside and within the town.”

The army’s special forces have performed several successful operations against those groups, which have resulted in the deaths of dozens of militants, the military source said.

The military is storming every house and has already freed dozens of Alawite, Druze, and Christian families from the rebels, Al-Ahd reported.

The government troops have cornered a highway leading to the international airport in Damascus, which is situated four kilometers away from Adra.

The military does not exclude the possibility that militants will break through the blockade in this direction, putting the nearby town of Dahiyat al Asad in danger, according to Al-Ahd.


People toasted in ovens’

What the Islamist rebels did when they entered Adra on Wednesday morning was a “massacre,” one a local resident told RT.

“The situation was terrible - with killing, atrocities, and fear as the background. Unidentified armed men came into town, but it was obvious that they were Jabhat al-Nusra militants,” Muhammad Al-Said said.

“The worst crime they committed was that they toasted people in ovens used to bake bread when those people came to buy it. They kidnapped and beat up many,” he added.

According to Al-Said, the rebels committed the atrocities so they could place blame on government forces.

But the resident said that Adra citizens are “waiting for Syrian troops to save us from the terrorists, who came from other countries.”

“Those, who could, fled to Damascus. Some hid in the basement, with infants, the elderly, women, and sick people among them. The situation was really terrible,” Al-Said said.

Geopolitical analyst Patrick Henningsen sees foreign encouragement of rebel forces as one of the reasons behind the Adra tragedy.

“What it does indicate… is that there is involvement by the western intelligence agencies that have links to some of those radical jihadist groups,” Henningsen told RT. “And that has been proven throughout history and is also the case today. The first thing that needs to happen for any peace talks to succeed is that Western governments cannot be involved in any way, shape or form, either through proxies or through the intelligence agencies or third parties in arming, financing, giving aid of any kind to the Syrian opposition.”

Meanwhile, an estimated 76 people, including 24 children were killed when the Syrian government reportedly launched a series of airstrikes in rebel-held districts throughout the northern industrial city of Aleppo. Helicopters dropped barrels containing TNT explosives on anywhere between 6 and 10 districts, leveling shops, entire apartment complexes and sections of roads. It was reportedly the worst bombing raid on rebel-held territory in over 6 months.

Aleppo, Syria's largest city by population and one time commercial hub, is now divided between areas occupied by troops loyal to President Bashar al-Assad and rebel fighters.

Large swaths of the city have been decimated after rebels launched a major offensive in July 2012.

The bloody civil war has been raging in Syria for almost three years. According to UN estimates, over 100,000 people have lost their lives in the conflict.


Edit: Source + Show Spoiler +
http://rt.com/news/syria-adra-civilian-execution-289/


Pro-Assad sites are reporting a massacre, pro-opposition sites are reporting Bashar's army casualties. So who are going to believe? Unfortunately there is no neutral news outlet, because it seems everyone has a stake in Syria


Yeah but RT is obviously a propaganda outlet, I mean it doesn't even try to hide it sometimes. Like Uvantek said they report things without verification and constantly interview anyone remotely anti-american no matter how crazy they are or how low their credibility is (alex jones a billion times, some of their other hosts are actually anarchists who somehow never question the Russian government). All of their news is anti-american, no surprise you hear in that article supposed links to western intelligence agencies. I don't know who to believe either, but lets just leave RT out of it entirely


I know, RT posts anything that is anti-us, not to mention their 'experts'. In the previous post I just wanted to point out the futility of believing RT (especially when their source is Syrian government) without taking into account what the other side has to say.
"I do not join. I lead." - Queen of Blades
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
December 18 2013 13:23 GMT
#3374
On December 18 2013 14:27 Acrofales wrote:
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On December 18 2013 09:27 heliusx wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:13 xM(Z wrote:
Russia and US made a deal to watch and help Syria burn for as long as they can. the idea was to teach EU a lesson, making their pipe dreams ... well, a pipe dream.


I'm genuinely interested in why you think what you just said makes any sense whatsoever.

Ooh look. Someone who hasn't yet learned that the first rule of the GD forum is to never engage xmz in a discussion

the first thing you learn in school is: never say never.

as for the reply, there was a map bouncing around this topic about how Syria was supposed to become the pipe gateway for EU imported energy (after the Turkey pipe lines deal fell off). more energy for EU, less dependency of RU imported energy. plus, EU would be able to 'sponsor' countries like, lets say Ukraine in their time of needs.
as far as US goes, it (tried to) controlled EU economic growth since the Iraq wars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq-Syria_pipeline
In July 2011 Iran, Iraq and Syria said they planned to sign a contract potentially worth around $6bn to construct a pipeline running from South Pars towards Europe, via these countries and Lebanon and then under the Mediterranean to a European country, with a refinery and related infrastructure in Damascus.[1][5][6][7] In November 2012 the United States dismissed reports that construction had begun on the pipeline, saying that this had been claimed repeatedly and that "it never seems to materialize."[8] A framework agreement was to be signed in early 2013, with costs now estimated at $10bn;[9] construction plans were delayed by the Syrian civil war.[10] In December 2012 the Oxford Institute for Energy Studies said that the project "remains doubtful. It is not clear how such a project will be financed given that both Iran and Syria are subject to strict financial sanctions.
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 20:20:16
December 18 2013 20:12 GMT
#3375
as for the reply, there was a map bouncing around this topic about how Syria was supposed to become the pipe gateway for EU imported energy (after the Turkey pipe lines deal fell off). more energy for EU, less dependency of RU imported energy. plus, EU would be able to 'sponsor' countries like, lets say Ukraine in their time of needs.


When is that Afghanistan pipeline going to start sending sweet sweet Central Asian crude through the Caspian area and on to Europe? It's only 13 years behind schedule now, seems a long time to take when the whole reason Afghanistan was invaded was to build it... right?

And when is that Iranian oil bourse that was going to destroy the petrodollar and cause an American invasion of Iran going to open? First it was supposed to open in 2005, then 2009, then it did open and basically no one used it so they shut it down, re-opened it again a few years ago, I don't know if it is even operational anymore...

Why would the US want to team up with Russia against a pipeline that would weaken Russia and strengthen the EU? The main goal of US foreign policy that touches on both Russia and the EU is to weaken Russia vis-a-vis the EU. So the US, for whatever reason, is blocking its own foreign policy goals by preventing this mythical pipeline from being built?

My point is these pipeline conspiracies are just pure nonsense. Countries and companies want to build pipelines across Central Asia to the Mediterranean, they have for decades. They built quite a few over the last 50, 60 years. They didn't go to war before the new millenium to do it, and every potential pipeline that has been thrown out as a reason for Western foreign policy towards Country X has remained words on paper. Every. Single. One. War is not a timely or reliable way to build large, complex, very expensive infrastructure projects spanning several countries. War and it's aftermath in the modern era is about the worst environment to undertake such a massive project in, yet again and again we are told by some that such projects are causing wars. It just doesn't make any sense. Let's go invade this country or cause a war there, when we know that the people of this country and the whole region are infamous for going guerrilla and never giving up, so we can spend a lot of money to build something that will be very vulnerable to guerrilla attacks and cannot even be built if there is massive political instability, another thing the people of this country and region are infamous for.

as far as US goes, it (tried to) controlled EU economic growth since the Iraq wars.


lolol. How did the US do that, by having the Federal Reserve Bank give the ECB and European state banks hundreds of billions of dollars created out of thin air - not in loans, entirely for free - over the last decade? It wasn't the US that told the EU to go for austerity policies either, there have been several instances of EU officials criticizing the US for not decreasing spending over the last few years...
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ImperialFist
Profile Joined April 2013
790 Posts
December 18 2013 20:46 GMT
#3376
I am amazed that people still support the rebels in Syria, are you really that keen to impose Sharia Law on the Syrian People? Are you guys from Syria, do you know people in Syria?

The FSA and the Islamic Front does not have public support, what they do have is support from Nato and Sadistic Sunni Theocracies. Turn your eyes towards the perverse Saudis and their equally repulsive kin. These morons are actually going ballistic with Sharia Law, they kill people for being homosexual, they behead people if they leave Islam. I am under no circumstances saying that a war should be started but it is time to put pressure on these morons.

Even on Assad of course, we should have pressured him towards making Syria a real democracy. But that obviously takes times, you don't turn Arabs into democrats over night.

But, no, alas you fall upon Syria. Syria and Lebanon where the jewels of the Arab middle-east, secularism had taken root, slowly taking with it western values of basic freedom, human rights and democracy. These where diverse cultures with many ethnic and religious minorities living together. I could go on with my rant but need to hit ladder :/
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HeatEXTEND
Profile Joined October 2012
Netherlands836 Posts
December 18 2013 20:52 GMT
#3377
On December 18 2013 21:37 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
without taking into account what the other side has to say.


Please keep in mind that that statement should work both ways though.
knuckle
HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
December 18 2013 21:18 GMT
#3378
On December 19 2013 05:52 HeatEXTEND wrote:
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On December 18 2013 21:37 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
without taking into account what the other side has to say.


Please keep in mind that that statement should work both ways though.


Did I perhaps imply that it works one way only?

Nusra leader talks to Al Jazeera
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/12/al-qaeda-leader-syria-speaks-al-jazeera-20131218155917935989.html
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
December 18 2013 21:21 GMT
#3379
On December 19 2013 06:18 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 05:52 HeatEXTEND wrote:
On December 18 2013 21:37 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
without taking into account what the other side has to say.


Please keep in mind that that statement should work both ways though.


Did I perhaps imply that it works one way only?

Nusra leader talks to Al Jazeera
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/12/al-qaeda-leader-syria-speaks-al-jazeera-20131218155917935989.html


Sounds like typical Arab chest-beating. "You are doomed! Our victory is only days away!... days away from the turn of the next millennium maybe."
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HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
December 18 2013 21:26 GMT
#3380
On December 19 2013 06:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 06:18 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
On December 19 2013 05:52 HeatEXTEND wrote:
On December 18 2013 21:37 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
without taking into account what the other side has to say.


Please keep in mind that that statement should work both ways though.


Did I perhaps imply that it works one way only?

Nusra leader talks to Al Jazeera
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/12/al-qaeda-leader-syria-speaks-al-jazeera-20131218155917935989.html


Sounds like typical Arab chest-beating. "You are doomed! Our victory is only days away!... days away from the turn of the next millennium maybe."


The whole interview will apparently be aired in the next days
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