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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
December 19 2013 00:10 GMT
#3381
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Syrian fighter defects to Qaeda-linked group
Once-powerful Free Syrian Army commander Saddam al-Jamal has pledged allegiance to ISIL fighters.

In a farmhouse in eastern Syria, a group of men sat around a teapot observing it jiggle over a pile of burning paper bills. Lacking fuel, a charming rebel leader playfully told his comrades that he would make them tea by lighting Syrian pounds under the pot, a statement that soon turned into a dare. Minutes later, the 35-year-old man proudly poured black tea for his guests in small glass cups.

Saddam al-Jamal's friends narrate this anecdote, which they say took place a few months ago, to illustrate their commander's humour and free spirit. Jamal headed the Allahu Akbar Brigade, which was once one of the most effective groups fighting against President Bashar al-Assad's forces in the province of Deir Ezzor.

Its fighters operate under the loose umbrella of the Western-backed Free Syrian Army (FSA). Jamal was not only the leader of a battalion but also a top FSA commander for the whole of Syria's eastern region.

In November, however, he announced his "repentance" for his membership in the battalion and the FSA, dubbing them "apostates".

Wearing a brown leather jacket and a black-and-white scarf wrapped around his head, Jamal was filmed seated in front of al-Qaeda's black flag. He addressed his fighters, urging them to also abandon the FSA. The FSA calls for "killing of our IsIamist brethrens and prevents the rule of Allah from being established on Earth", he said in the video , released by the al-Qaeda-affiliated Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

Jamal echoed claims that the ISIL and other Islamist fighter groups have been reiterating in recent months: that the "moderate" FSA is being groomed by the West and its Arab allies to point their weapons towards "extremist" groups upon the collapse of Assad's regime.



Rest of the article, spoilered because it is long.

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Switching sides

n the 32-minute-long recording, titled "Revealing the biggest conspiracy targeting the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant", Jamal - who has now grown his beard - discussed at length how Arab and Western intelligence services dictated to the FSA how to fight and which battles to fight in Syria.


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"As days passed we realised that it was a project that was funded by foreign countries, especially Qatar. But in general, the whole world's intelligence participate in the project," he said. "The Jordanian intelligence, the Saudi, the Emirati, the Qatari and obviously the West [the Americans, the British, the French]. In the meetings of the military command and the military councils, they all attend," he said.

Before switching sides, Jamal travelled back and forth between Syria and Turkey to receive ammunition and attend high-level meetings between the commander of the FSA, Salim Idriss, and representatives of funding states, he said in the video. Former aides to Jamal confirmed this claim to Al Jazeera.

Jamal's participation in the meetings and his leadership of successful battles against Assad forces increased arms funders' confidence in him. Jamal's group was credited for seizing control of his hometown, al-Bu Kamal, from government troops in the province of Deir Ezzor.

"While he lacked any type of intellectual background, Jamal had so much courage," said a writer and a journalist from Deir Ezzor, who spoke on condition of anonymity, citing fear for his and his family's lives. " Jamal ' s name shone and all funders wanted to give his group huge amounts of money. He grew in power and had tens of soldiers working under him. Once a simple man who worked in the smuggling of goods between al-Bu Kamal and Iraq before the uprising, his enthusiasm and good connections turned Jamal into the man of al-Bu Kamal. "

According to FSA figures provided to Al Jazeera in July, the Allahu Akbar battalion boasted more than 800 fighters.

Soon enough, accusations of corruption and misuse of funds against Jamal began to mount. "Power corrupts," a former aide to Jamal said. "Jamal became a mini-Bashar [al-Assad] in his hometown. He surrounded himself with his brothers, created cronies around him, and his men arrested any resident who opposed him."

Mohammad, an activist in al-Bu Kamal, said that while Jamal was initially highly respected there for his "heroic fighting" against Assad's forces, many began to resent him. "Even his own fighters became poor and weak because he was solely distributing the money among his brothers and close friends. They operated like a gang. It's exactly like how Bashar al-Assad made the Makhlouf family rich and the rest of the people poorer," Mohammad said.

But Jamal's story of wealth and power was soon to come to an end.


Rebel infighting

Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda's Syrian branch, was determined to hold its grip over the rebel-held parts of Deir Ezzor. They were under no condition going to join forces with Jamal and his fighters, who were losing popularity on the the ground and lacked an Islamist ideology.

Groups like Jabhat al-Nusra and the ISIL accuse FSA members of being secularists who do not want an Islamist state in Syria. But In fact, most FSA fighters - including Jamal's battalion - have no ideology at all. They often identify themselves simply as Muslims who want to topple Assad's regime. Nonetheless, amid the growing power of Jabhat al-Nusra and the ISIL and the international community's dwindling support for the Free Syrian Army, FSA commanders such as Jamal have reportedly been pressured to switch groups and adopt Islamist rhetoric.

The funders are well aware that - no matter how much influence they have over the FSA - they can never force fighters on the ground to take up battles we are not convinced of. Our fight is not and will never be against jihadists. It is only against Assad.

- former aide to Saddam al-Jamal

Tensions were already running high in Syria's east between rival rebel groups. In neighbouring al-Raqqa province, clashes between the ISIL and the FSA's Ahfad al-Rasoul ("Grandsons of the Prophet") Brigade, of which Jamal's brigade was part, took a deadly turn after ISIL stormed an Ahfad al-Rasoul base. "What happened between the ISIL and us in al-Raqqa had a role in increasing tensions between [Jabhat al-] Nusra and us in Deir Ezzor. They started calling us 'Ahfad al-Shaytan' ('Grandson of the Devil')," a fighter in Deir Ezzor told Al Jazeera.

A string of incidents in Deir Ezzor between Jamal's battalion and the ISIL soon led to armed clashes, resulting in heavy losses for Jamal. Two of his brothers were kidnapped, his brother's house was bombed, several of his fighters died and he himself narrowly escaped an assassination attempt after a man blew himself up at the headquarters Jamal had set up at a branch of the state bank.

"Besides the fact that his fighters were demoralised and demotivated as a result of the marginalisation by their leader, they were also not keen on raising arms against the jihadists. This is why Allahu Akbar Battalion lost," Jamal's former aide said. "In Deir Ezzor, it's common for one fighter to be from the Allahu Akbar battalion and his brother in [Jabhat al-] Nusra. It's a battle not worth fighting."

Within days, Jamal surrendered to Jabhat al-Nusra and the ISIL. He had no other option, said the writer from Deir Ezzor. "It was a survival strategy for a pragmatic person with no Islamist ideology whatsoever."

But in the video released by the ISIL, Jamal voiced his support for the Islamist fighters' cause. "It's an honour to come to the ISIL and show repentance," he said in the video. "The world and FSA commanders always told us the ISIL are terrorists and takfiris [Muslims who accuse other Muslims of apostasy]. But after Allah granted me the honour of repentance, I found that all these claims are false and baseless."


Suspicious of the FSA

Jamal's former aide said his former boss' statements were exactly what the ISIL wanted to hear: That the FSA is an instrument of the West set up to serve its goals. He said the claims were exaggerated, but admitted that much of what Jamal said was true. He acknowledged that intelligence agents attended FSA meetings, that Ahfad al-Rasoul is mainly funded by Qatar, and that some FSA commanders received training in Jordan.

"But what is not true is that we were ordered to fight jihadi or Islamist groups," the aide said. "The funders are well aware that - no matter how much influence they have over the FSA - they can never force fighters on the ground to take up battles we are not convinced of. Our fight is not and will never be against jihadists. It is only against Assad."

Members of Jabhat al-Nusra and the ISIL seem to think otherwise. Their heightened suspicion of the FSA can be traced back to an infamous meeting in Paris between FSA commanders and Western diplomats, an Ahfad al-Rasoul commander told Al Jazeera. In the meeting, which took place last September, Western diplomats expressed fears of al-Qaeda-linked groups' presence in Syria and asked whether the FSA would fight against them if Assad were to fall. Not a single FSA official pledged to do so, according to the commander.

"It seems that the ISIL learned about this meeting and hell broke loose afterward. That cursed meeting in France was the source of all our troubles with jihadists."

Back in al-Bu Kamal, the ISIL has now designated Jamal as a commander as a reward for turning himself in, a former comrade of Jamal told Al Jazeera. "But I am sure they themselves do not trust him. How can someone just turn into a jihadist just like that?" the fighter said.

The writer from Deir Ezzor told Al Jazeera that Jamal, who did not survive as the leader of the Allahu Akbar Brigade in al-Bu Kamal, will not survive as the leader of the ISIL in the city either. Al-Bu Kamal's tribal loyalties trump ideology, whether Islamist or other, he said. "Just as the people of al-Bu Kamal did not accept al-Jamal as a dictator, they will not accept him as an extremist."


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http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/12/syrian-fighter-defects-qaeda-linked-group-201312158517493207.html
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21734 Posts
December 19 2013 00:21 GMT
#3382
Jamal echoed claims that the ISIL and other Islamist fighter groups have been reiterating in recent months: that the "moderate" FSA is being groomed by the West and its Arab allies to point their weapons towards "extremist" groups upon the collapse of Assad's regime


Sounds about right yes. Why would the west back the FSA only to have terrorists take over the country instead.
Ofc there being used to fight the ISIL aswell.
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
December 19 2013 10:08 GMT
#3383
At this point the SAA can't quell the insurgency but only reduce the factions to just prickling thorns but I don't see that happening anytime soon. The country might be better off as a whole if Assad wins sounds distasteful but even if the rebels "win", another civil war erupt. Actually it already has long ago, as now even extremist groups are battling each other so at this stage its a civil war within another where ridiculous number of belligerents coexist.
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sgtnoobkilla
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia249 Posts
December 19 2013 10:52 GMT
#3384
On December 19 2013 19:08 Disregard wrote:
Actually it already has long ago, as now even extremist groups are battling each other so at this stage its a civil war within another where ridiculous number of belligerents coexist.


I wouldn't even call it a civil war at this point to be honest. Fighting for a "better government" pretty much went out the window a year ago.

Syria's looking more and more like early 20th century China with all this infighting going on. Replace those 1920's warlords with Assad, the FSA, FSA splinter factions and ISIL and you get modern day warlordism.
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HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
December 21 2013 16:13 GMT
#3385
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2013/12/hassan-abboud-will-fight-our-rights-20131217132919290655.html

Head of Ahrar Al-Sham, the biggest group under the Islamic Front umbrella, speaks to Al Jazeera.
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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 17:05:26
December 21 2013 17:03 GMT
#3386
On December 19 2013 05:12 DeepElemBlues wrote:
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as for the reply, there was a map bouncing around this topic about how Syria was supposed to become the pipe gateway for EU imported energy (after the Turkey pipe lines deal fell off). more energy for EU, less dependency of RU imported energy. plus, EU would be able to 'sponsor' countries like, lets say Ukraine in their time of needs.


When is that Afghanistan pipeline going to start sending sweet sweet Central Asian crude through the Caspian area and on to Europe? It's only 13 years behind schedule now, seems a long time to take when the whole reason Afghanistan was invaded was to build it... right?

And when is that Iranian oil bourse that was going to destroy the petrodollar and cause an American invasion of Iran going to open? First it was supposed to open in 2005, then 2009, then it did open and basically no one used it so they shut it down, re-opened it again a few years ago, I don't know if it is even operational anymore...

Why would the US want to team up with Russia against a pipeline that would weaken Russia and strengthen the EU? The main goal of US foreign policy that touches on both Russia and the EU is to weaken Russia vis-a-vis the EU. So the US, for whatever reason, is blocking its own foreign policy goals by preventing this mythical pipeline from being built?

My point is these pipeline conspiracies are just pure nonsense. Countries and companies want to build pipelines across Central Asia to the Mediterranean, they have for decades. They built quite a few over the last 50, 60 years. They didn't go to war before the new millenium to do it, and every potential pipeline that has been thrown out as a reason for Western foreign policy towards Country X has remained words on paper. Every. Single. One. War is not a timely or reliable way to build large, complex, very expensive infrastructure projects spanning several countries. War and it's aftermath in the modern era is about the worst environment to undertake such a massive project in, yet again and again we are told by some that such projects are causing wars. It just doesn't make any sense. Let's go invade this country or cause a war there, when we know that the people of this country and the whole region are infamous for going guerrilla and never giving up, so we can spend a lot of money to build something that will be very vulnerable to guerrilla attacks and cannot even be built if there is massive political instability, another thing the people of this country and region are infamous for.

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as far as US goes, it (tried to) controlled EU economic growth since the Iraq wars.


lolol. How did the US do that, by having the Federal Reserve Bank give the ECB and European state banks hundreds of billions of dollars created out of thin air - not in loans, entirely for free - over the last decade? It wasn't the US that told the EU to go for austerity policies either, there have been several instances of EU officials criticizing the US for not decreasing spending over the last few years...

so your brilliant idea is to invest 10bill$ in pipes, in an unstable, terrorism infested country(like Afg)?. gl there then.

as for your other crap, a quote from the FED report:
They were also NOT at zero interest. The PDCF loans were made at the Fed's primary credit rate (0.75%)

but in general, if you can't put 2&2 together it's not my problem.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11540 Posts
December 21 2013 18:10 GMT
#3387
That was his point. Going to war apparently does not produce a situation in which building a pipeline is feasible. This is pretty obvious to anyone, and thus suggesting that the giant scary conspirators make wars happen to build pipelines is silly unless you assume that the giant scary conspirators are also utterly incompetent. Which should make you wonder how they built that giant scary secret conspiracy in the first place.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 19:07:49
December 21 2013 19:06 GMT
#3388
so your brilliant idea is to invest 10bill$ in pipes, in an unstable, terrorism infested country(like Afg)?. gl there then.


No, that is what you're saying the brilliant idea of the West was, when it makes no sense.

as for your other crap, a quote from the FED report:


PDCF loans were almost $9 trillion out of $16 trillion lent. There were many loans that did not go through the PDCF. The Fed is lying when it says the PDCF loans were at 0.75%. Many of their loans were under the rate of 0.75% as attested to in thousands of media reports about it. Some of the interest rates were as low as 0.01%, basically zero when you're talking about loans these banks made billions and billions in profits on. The fact that the Fed was pouring 3 trillion dollars into Europe was a secret for two years and most of the particular details are still secret. You really think when they're giving out 0.01% interest loans that they weren't going to give some out at 0%, particularly at the outset when everyone was panicking because liquidity was gone like the Lone Ranger and Tonto over the horizon? Okay. So what I read was wrong, they weren't entirely interest free, they were just grossly under market to give banks big quick profits to increase liquidity. How this is trying to control the EU economy in the sinister way you implied is still a mystery.

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 22 2013 22:22 GMT
#3389
More than 240 people have left Germany to join the civil war in Syria — the largest reported number from a European country.

One was Burak Karan, a rising German-Turkish soccer player who died in northern Syria in October at age 26. Bild newspaper quoted his brother saying Karan had gone to the border region between Turkey and Syria to help distribute aid.

But Spiegel magazine reports that a video posted on YouTube on Oct. 22 by an unknown Islamist group showed Karan posing with an assault rifle. According to Spiegel, one of the video's captions says he "stormed like a lion into the area of the (infidels) ... and took pleasure in fighting them."

Officials tell NPR that many of the people going to Syria from Germany — in what is being dubbed "jihad tourism" — are German-born Muslims of foreign descent. A few are ethnic Germans who've converted to a fundamentalist version of Islam.

The officials say all of those going are radicalized over an extended period of time via the Internet or acquaintances before being recruited to fight or help the warring factions. But authorities say there is little they can do under German law to stop people from traveling to Syria.

It's especially easy for these recruits to get to Syria, says Boris Rhein, the interior minister in the German state of Hesse, where Frankfurt is located. They can fly to Turkey, take a bus to the Syrian border and then cross on foot.

Rhein says most of those going from his state are 25 or younger, including four minors. The Berliner Zeitung reported on Dec. 19 that one 16-year-old from Rhein's state — a German boy of Turkish descent — was recently killed in Syria.


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D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
December 22 2013 22:38 GMT
#3390
On December 18 2013 09:16 radscorpion9 wrote:
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On December 18 2013 02:35 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
On December 17 2013 09:56 TheRealArtemis wrote:


Whole families murdered’: Syrian rebels execute over 80 civilians outside Damascus

Over 80 civilians in a town northwest of the Syrian capital of Damascus have been executed by Islamist rebels, sources within the Syrian military told RT. Many others were kidnapped to be used as human shields.

Government forces are continuing a large-scale operation against Jabhat al-Nusra and Liwa Al-Islam fighters, who captured the town earlier this week. The area is located some 20 kilometers away from Damascus.

According to SANA news agency, around 1,000 militants were in the town when it was enveloped by the army on Friday.

The military sources said the “armed groups have performed an execution of civilians” in Adra, RT Arabic correspondent Abutaleb Albohaya reported from Syria.

“For now it’s established that over 80 people were killed in the areas now taken over by the army. Often whole families were murdered,” he said.

The number of executed civilians is expected to rise after government troops manage to recover the rest of the town - which has a population of around 20,000 - from the Islamists, the military source added.

“Some families were kidnapped in order to be used as human shields in areas where the Syrian army is now trying to free the civilians,” Albohaya stressed. Iraqi Al-Ahd television says this is the reason the Syrian army is abstaining from using artillery on Sunday.

“The military sources also said that the other kidnapped families were moved to the area south of Adra in the direction of the town of Douma, which has been the opposition’s strategic backland since the start of the Syrian crisis [in March, 2011]. It’s also where the most important rebel fortifications are situated,” Albohaya said.

The rebel presence remains strong in Adra, with “snipers entrenched in high-rise buildings,” he added. “Many opposition militant groups are still acting in areas outside and within the town.”

The army’s special forces have performed several successful operations against those groups, which have resulted in the deaths of dozens of militants, the military source said.

The military is storming every house and has already freed dozens of Alawite, Druze, and Christian families from the rebels, Al-Ahd reported.

The government troops have cornered a highway leading to the international airport in Damascus, which is situated four kilometers away from Adra.

The military does not exclude the possibility that militants will break through the blockade in this direction, putting the nearby town of Dahiyat al Asad in danger, according to Al-Ahd.


People toasted in ovens’

What the Islamist rebels did when they entered Adra on Wednesday morning was a “massacre,” one a local resident told RT.

“The situation was terrible - with killing, atrocities, and fear as the background. Unidentified armed men came into town, but it was obvious that they were Jabhat al-Nusra militants,” Muhammad Al-Said said.

“The worst crime they committed was that they toasted people in ovens used to bake bread when those people came to buy it. They kidnapped and beat up many,” he added.

According to Al-Said, the rebels committed the atrocities so they could place blame on government forces.

But the resident said that Adra citizens are “waiting for Syrian troops to save us from the terrorists, who came from other countries.”

“Those, who could, fled to Damascus. Some hid in the basement, with infants, the elderly, women, and sick people among them. The situation was really terrible,” Al-Said said.

Geopolitical analyst Patrick Henningsen sees foreign encouragement of rebel forces as one of the reasons behind the Adra tragedy.

“What it does indicate… is that there is involvement by the western intelligence agencies that have links to some of those radical jihadist groups,” Henningsen told RT. “And that has been proven throughout history and is also the case today. The first thing that needs to happen for any peace talks to succeed is that Western governments cannot be involved in any way, shape or form, either through proxies or through the intelligence agencies or third parties in arming, financing, giving aid of any kind to the Syrian opposition.”

Meanwhile, an estimated 76 people, including 24 children were killed when the Syrian government reportedly launched a series of airstrikes in rebel-held districts throughout the northern industrial city of Aleppo. Helicopters dropped barrels containing TNT explosives on anywhere between 6 and 10 districts, leveling shops, entire apartment complexes and sections of roads. It was reportedly the worst bombing raid on rebel-held territory in over 6 months.

Aleppo, Syria's largest city by population and one time commercial hub, is now divided between areas occupied by troops loyal to President Bashar al-Assad and rebel fighters.

Large swaths of the city have been decimated after rebels launched a major offensive in July 2012.

The bloody civil war has been raging in Syria for almost three years. According to UN estimates, over 100,000 people have lost their lives in the conflict.


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http://rt.com/news/syria-adra-civilian-execution-289/


Pro-Assad sites are reporting a massacre, pro-opposition sites are reporting Bashar's army casualties. So who are going to believe? Unfortunately there is no neutral news outlet, because it seems everyone has a stake in Syria


Yeah but RT is obviously a propaganda outlet, I mean it doesn't even try to hide it sometimes. Like Uvantek said they report things without verification and constantly interview anyone remotely anti-american no matter how crazy they are or how low their credibility is (alex jones a billion times, some of their other hosts are actually anarchists who somehow never question the Russian government). All of their news is anti-american, no surprise you hear in that article supposed links to western intelligence agencies. I don't know who to believe either, but lets just leave RT out of it entirely


Information is information, even if biased, saying we must ignore it just because theres an agenda behind it implies we dont have the capacity to take our own conclusions with a grain of salt.

We must be able to access everything, even the biased stuff, otherwise we will never see the big picture.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 23 2013 04:52 GMT
#3391
The war has now spread into East Lebanon:

http://www.yalibnan.com/2013/12/23/hezbollah-syrian-gunmen-clash-outside-beqaa-town/
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MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 08:02:54
December 23 2013 08:02 GMT
#3392
On December 23 2013 13:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The war has now spread into East Lebanon:

http://www.yalibnan.com/2013/12/23/hezbollah-syrian-gunmen-clash-outside-beqaa-town/


Great, now we are going to warm up the cruise missiles again. /s
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
December 23 2013 08:43 GMT
#3393
Not surprising considering the open and direct support of Assad's regime in Syria by Hezbollah.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 25 2013 01:28 GMT
#3394
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 10:12:09
December 25 2013 10:10 GMT
#3395
On December 25 2013 10:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drc8CAwMEhI

At the beginning of the video I was just thinking where the fuck were they shooting at? :D How did they knew was it enemy or ally? (If there was anything)
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sgtnoobkilla
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia249 Posts
December 25 2013 10:32 GMT
#3396
Seeing as how anyone in uniform is a target, it shouldn't be hard for them to tell the difference.
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HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
December 26 2013 00:12 GMT
#3397
Allegedly first known photo of the Nusra leader
Iraqi intelligence officials offered the AP the letters, as well as the first known photograph of the Nusra Front leader, Abu Mohammed al-Golani, the head of one of the most powerful bands of radicals fighting the Syrian government in the country’s civil war.

The officials said they obtained the information about al-Golani after they captured members of another al-Qaeda group in September. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to speak to journalists.
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
December 26 2013 00:49 GMT
#3398
On December 25 2013 19:10 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2013 10:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drc8CAwMEhI

At the beginning of the video I was just thinking where the fuck were they shooting at? :D How did they knew was it enemy or ally? (If there was anything)


They're shooting at the structure and treeline, whatever suppression because they are in a open field. And many of them probably have radios so I guess that can help with confirmation. Modern warfare teaches you to shoot in the general direction you're engaged, if you see the enemy that is a plus but majority of the time that isn't the case. Fire superiority is the name of the game in these cases.
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15345 Posts
December 26 2013 11:23 GMT
#3399
On December 26 2013 09:49 Disregard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2013 19:10 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On December 25 2013 10:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drc8CAwMEhI

At the beginning of the video I was just thinking where the fuck were they shooting at? :D How did they knew was it enemy or ally? (If there was anything)


They're shooting at the structure and treeline, whatever suppression because they are in a open field. And many of them probably have radios so I guess that can help with confirmation. Modern warfare teaches you to shoot in the general direction you're engaged, if you see the enemy that is a plus but majority of the time that isn't the case. Fire superiority is the name of the game in these cases.

Sorry but that is just hilarious nonsense. They are shooting randomly at tree lines just because they see a camera pointed at them.

Look up similar videos of the SAA or indeed any actual military and you won't see their men randomly popping single shots at nothing.
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2631 Posts
December 26 2013 15:17 GMT
#3400
On December 26 2013 20:23 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2013 09:49 Disregard wrote:
On December 25 2013 19:10 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On December 25 2013 10:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drc8CAwMEhI

At the beginning of the video I was just thinking where the fuck were they shooting at? :D How did they knew was it enemy or ally? (If there was anything)


They're shooting at the structure and treeline, whatever suppression because they are in a open field. And many of them probably have radios so I guess that can help with confirmation. Modern warfare teaches you to shoot in the general direction you're engaged, if you see the enemy that is a plus but majority of the time that isn't the case. Fire superiority is the name of the game in these cases.

Sorry but that is just hilarious nonsense. They are shooting randomly at tree lines just because they see a camera pointed at them.

Look up similar videos of the SAA or indeed any actual military and you won't see their men randomly popping single shots at nothing.


In real combat you do spend most of the time shooting at "nothing".
In real combat you also don't stroll down towards the enemy in a D&G jacket with your hands in your pockets.

In this case it's a clear case of camera showoff.
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