On December 10 2010 15:52 .Aar wrote: I'd say the biggest thing for me regarding why I don't like metal is the image the word conjures for me:
A slightly overweight American kid with no personality and an unfounded political belief structure of "anarchy mannnnnn." Someone who defines himself with the angsty music he listens to simply because he's not deep enough to find any other meaning in life. I'm not saying everyone who listens to metal is like this. I'm saying everyone I've met who listens to metal is.
Also, why are you bashing on "computer generated noises"? Electronic music takes just as much artistic ability as any other kind, in some areas perhaps even more so. It's pure creativity and technical skill.
then i would say that you've been too greatly influenced by the emo trend bud...
most of the metalheads i know have found their way and listens to alot, but the favorites mirror alot of what they like or dislike.. The music i go for is the one that gets the fire going powerful, aggressive, fast.. but not angsty.. alot closer to happy than angsty
anarchy.. nope.. wouldnt work well... but fight oppression at every damn corner
On December 10 2010 17:01 BenKen wrote: d) It used to be next to impossible to sound like Metallica. Now anyone with $200 can get balls-crushing guitar tone. Hell, Nickelback's guitar tone is heavier than the Kill'em all album. Anyone can line up some Marshalls and a drumkit and blast out some metal. On the other hand, most homebrew "beats" people make sounds like shit imo, and that's usually because it's hard to get the gear to sound like Kanye, and yes there is some skill involved in the production.
To be honest with you I think that it's not really true that almost nobody could sound like Metallica in the 80s. Many bands did; it's not the most common kind of thrash metal band, but it's up there. I'd say that there were more thrash metal bands that were "heavier" than Metallica than "softer".
Metallica themselves were, to a large degree, trying to sound like a more intense Diamond Head on Kill em All.
I'm pretty disappointed in the way metal is seen here, but I suppose it can't be helped. The stuff that I see as breaking many of the stereotypes espoused here, the stuff that I love, is stuff that the vast, vast majority of people do not like, and will never like.
I consider myself a dedicated metalhead. I love old school bands as well known as Burzum, Morbid Angel, or Megadeth, or as obscure as Magnus (Pol) or Sorcery (Swe). However, I also love rap and see no conflict between them whatsoever. I don't listen to all that much modern rap, just not my style, but I do like Devin the Dude, Z-Ro, and others.
On December 10 2010 16:27 OriginalTritone wrote: Tastes are tastes... But to be honest the reason Rap and Hip Hop are so huge is because of their mainstream presence. Record labels dictate what is popular because they control what everyone hears on radio, tv, movies... everywhere. That isn't to say that I think Hip Hop is bad as a genre, but I certainly wouldn't compare it with any great music in history. Hip Hop appeals to simple aesthetics; it's catchy, it's simple, it's predictable and for better or worse people like these things.
I don't share the OP's love for metal. Although there are some standout songs/artists, I really find it to be kind of a headache as a genre. I'm more a fan of progressive rock, blues, jazz, and even some classical music; but I've spent some time developing a taste for complex music--most people haven't.
Sadly, our culture has side-barred some really great music that I'll never even get a chance to hear. And I do think that the commercialization of hip-hop is a sad reflection of our society's susceptibility to mass advertising. Popular music of every genre has been about the same thing since the 40's "take your slice of the American Dream, buy expensive and pointless things, fall into archetypes, judge people, be like me."
On December 10 2010 17:17 UrASofty wrote: I prefer music that doesn't consist of screaming and worshiping the devil.
Plus listening to hip hop = dancing = girls = fun
Wow, way to make ignorant statements. I could also say that rappers only talk about money and drugs with half-naked chicks in their music videos to get more views. That's actually more accurate than what you said.
I used to talk down to people who criticize rap "because it's all bitches and hos" and metal "because it's all yelling and satan" but eventually I realized that stuff is all I listen to from both genres
I definitely have to hop on board with the pro-european metal people. So amazing. And nothing beats the metal songs in rock band.
That said, hip-hop and rap can be cool too, no issue with it. I have some friends who are really into it - they tend to pop collars and wear flamboyant coloured shirts a little bit more than myself, but its not too embarrassing.
On December 10 2010 17:17 UrASofty wrote: I prefer music that doesn't consist of screaming and worshiping the devil.
Plus listening to hip hop = dancing = girls = fun
Wow, way to make ignorant statements. I could also say that rappers only talk about money and drugs with half-naked chicks in their music videos to get more views. That's actually more accurate than what you said.
I hate the mainstream rap. You know, the kind about cars and bitches and shit. It only hurts rap, the way I see it. People hear rap on the radio and think it's all bad; they don't get to hear the good stuff. I think that rap is a legitimate artform that can be used to express messages. I mean, you could rap about current events, or even just life. IMO the good rap is the kind that's actually about real life and not fantasies.
That said, most of what I listen to is J and K-pop >.<
On December 10 2010 17:17 UrASofty wrote: I prefer music that doesn't consist of screaming and worshiping the devil.
Plus listening to hip hop = dancing = girls = fun
Wow, way to make ignorant statements. I could also say that rappers only talk about money and drugs with half-naked chicks in their music videos to get more views. That's actually more accurate than what you said.
what i dont get is why people like eminem now. He was good up till about his third cd, or until he started singing. I don't get why everyone likes him now when all he does is yell and sing.
On December 10 2010 17:33 Gnial wrote: This thread has some awesome comments.
I definitely have to hop on board with the pro-european metal people. So amazing. And nothing beats the metal songs in rock band.(snip)
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Yep, Euro metal is a lot more melodic and technical when compared to american metal (especially Gothenburg metal is kickass). I'm more a Melodic Death Metal/metalcore fan myself.
I would say that its just easier to appreciate Hip Hop/rap when you start listening to music, without going into the technicality of the music. Metal, especially the heavier forms of it are more of an acquired taste. Honestly, I started out with Backstreet Boys and Boyzone myself (lol), then moved on to metallica, megadeth and the likes, then slipknot, slayer, godsmack etc. before finally settling into MDM/metalcore (older In Flames, Insomnium, Soilwork, etc.). Taking my own example, its easy to see the evolution of my taste over a period of 10 years.
Most people don't take their musical interests very seriously, and only listen to it when they go clubbing or throw some music on while driving a car. These people never care to explore beyond the boundaries of popular music and hence their tastes tend to be limited.
bring your shit to the table, cuz charlie gonna fuck it sideways
Fuckin right. Those black/death metal clowns over at Hells Headbangers and Nuclear War Now! think they've discovered the key to nihilistic bestial hatred music. Jazz had it like 50 years ago.
On December 10 2010 15:52 .Aar wrote: I'd say the biggest thing for me regarding why I don't like metal is the image the word conjures for me:
A slightly overweight American kid with no personality and an unfounded political belief structure of "anarchy mannnnnn." Someone who defines himself with the angsty music he listens to simply because he's not deep enough to find any other meaning in life. I'm not saying everyone who listens to metal is like this. I'm saying everyone I've met who listens to metal is.
Also, why are you bashing on "computer generated noises"? Electronic music takes just as much artistic ability as any other kind, in some areas perhaps even more so. It's pure creativity and technical skill.
then i would say that you've been too greatly influenced by the emo trend bud...
most of the metalheads i know have found their way and listens to alot, but the favorites mirror alot of what they like or dislike.. The music i go for is the one that gets the fire going powerful, aggressive, fast.. but not angsty.. alot closer to happy than angsty
anarchy.. nope.. wouldnt work well... but fight oppression at every damn corner
I'd bet real money you can't name a single actual emo band and that you don't even know what the word means. I don't mean to be confrontational but I hear a LOT of emo critics and not a single one of them to this day has been able to correctly name an emo band or tell me what emo music is.
The amount of ignorance and close mindedness toward other styles of music in this thread is literally staggering. It does help to confirm my theory that fans of metal in general tend to be the most close minded fans in music.
And I can't think of a dumber "pro" to a genre of music than the difficulty of performance or how much technical ability is required to play it. That is like saying Avatar or Transformers are the best movies in the world because it has the most expensive and complex CGI and all low budget movies suck.
Or that the best food is food that requires the most skill and finesse to cook.
Also that's implying it doesn't take a massive amount of both inborn talent and learned skill to be a producer on the level of Madilb, Kanye West, or JDilla. Which is a laughably ridiculous implication at best, painfully ignorant at worst.
Hey if it takes no skill to rap, why don't you have a go at it? To simplify it to "computer beeps and talking into a mic" is insulting to any lover of music and to all the talented and prolific artists in the genre of hip-hop.
I listen to a wide range of genres and I have to say all genres have their shitty parts and downsides.
If it doesn't have these things, I'm OK with it: Auto tune Lyrics about banging hos Excessive swearing Excessive screaming Overly repetitive lyrics Ridiculously slow tempo Completely electronic beats Artists whose songs all sound the same
EPT
powerful, aggressive, fast.. but not angsty.. alot closer to happy than angsty
