EPTWhy does everyone love hip hop/rap now?
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MahatmaSC2
United States192 Posts
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Punic
United States152 Posts
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
Metal is split into so many genres so its kinda hard to say its not popular, when Nu-Metal is still pretty big these days. | ||
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Ludrik
Australia523 Posts
That's me stating an opinion without actually stating an opinion. | ||
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TheGrimace
United States929 Posts
You also can't generalize rap/hip hop as "talking into a mic" with computer generated tones. The first issue there would be the computer isn't creating anything. Someone has an idea and makes it happen. Computers are a tool, like guitars. Skill may vary. I was a big fan of KoRn. I'm down with SOAD. I don't necessarily enjoy rap, but I do like hip hop. Goodie Mob, MF Doom, collaborations with Nujabes, Blue Sky Black Death, Cee Lo Green (we're blurring lines here with RnB etc, but you get the point). Listen to some of those groups and tell me there is no skill involved. Your perceptions are clouded by your preferences. I've suffered the same prejudice, but once you open your mind to music instead of genres, I think you'll find the world of music far more interesting. Edit: It's also worth pointing out that KoRn collaborated with rap artists, and the bass player Fieldy released his solo work, Fieldy's Dreams, which was a rap album. So even KoRn was influenced by rap, and enjoyed the genre. | ||
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.Aar
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A slightly overweight kid with no personality and an unfounded political belief structure of "anarchy mannnnnn." Someone who defines himself with the angsty music he listens to simply because he's not deep enough to find any other meaning in life. I'm not saying everyone who listens to metal is like this. I'm saying everyone I've met who listens to metal is. Also, why are you bashing on "computer generated noises"? Electronic music takes just as much artistic ability as any other kind, in some areas perhaps even more so. It's pure creativity and technical skill. | ||
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[Fin]Vittu
Canada507 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:47 Ludrik wrote: I'm not a big fan of American metal. European metal is much better. Rap can be good too. It depends on the artist. Most "popular" rap is complete s*** though. That's me stating an opinion without actually stating an opinion. hellllllllllllll yeah! i find europe does metal a lot better. Just to name some bands which are timeless to me are bathory, black sabbath, priest, motorhead, witchfinder general and electric wizard. its just so hard to find something like that in america. | ||
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Zim23
United States1681 Posts
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
The Roots. | ||
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? Generally when your at a party people do not like to listen to somebody vomiting into a microphone, and with a band name like Cannibal Corpse. Hip/hop is personable in the sense you can play in public and not get the weirdest lookes in the world, plus girls generally aren't into the whole like death metal, mathcore, stuff. Post-hardcore maybe... like some underoath but You can party to hip/hop is generally a good reason to start off with | ||
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LaLLsc2
United States502 Posts
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PUPATREE
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Marl
United States694 Posts
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eLiE
Canada1039 Posts
Music's all about popular demand, and nowadays girls want sexy songs they can grind/slowgrind to (I guess guys want that too :D) Singing about maggots and killing people doesn't appeal to them, so not as popular, and it's not as radio appropriate. Remember, it's not about being an extremely good musician, it's about making something that inspires emotion (good for me, can romance girls with I'm yours). btw, system of a down rocks and I'm psyched that they're playing again. EDIT: On December 10 2010 16:01 PUPATREE wrote: The dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum.  | ||
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Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? Well, just think of Hiphop not as music but as a form of money-making. Rappers make money, girls are attracted to money, boys are attracted to girls - bingo, you got yourself a subculture! Seriously though, some hiphop is actually good. Deep lyrics, nice samples. Yea, many of them can't play an instrument, but instead they think of witty lyrics (German rapper Curse comes to my mind), which is where Cannibal Corpse, for example, is lacking. CC are a group of people with high technical skill, but it's not a pleasing kind of music. Neither is gangsta rap, but that's beside the point. I too find many of the popular (50 cent, Jay-Z, can't remember too many names because shitty rappers don't really deserve a place in my memory) rappers to be very, well, shitty composers and MANY of the people who listen to that shit are very obnoxious little idiots, but maybe, just maybe, some fine day they will turn out to be productive members of society instead of annoying everyone on the street and public transportation to stroke their pitiful egos. One can hope. | ||
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e4e5nf3
Canada599 Posts
As far as everyone being into rap/hiphop nowadays... every generation wants music they can call their own, something that is as different from what their parents listen to as possible. Rap is to this generation what Rock and Roll was in the 50's. Adults find themselves scratching their heads and thinking "how can they listen to this crap?" | ||
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nimrodel
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the content of the expression has become secondary to the success | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:10 e4e5nf3 wrote: Where I'm from metal died in the early 90's thanks to grunge and rap music. I hear it from time to time, but not from the younger crowd. As far as everyone being into rap/hiphop nowadays... every generation wants music they can call their own, something that is as different from what their parents listen to as possible. Rap is to this generation what Rock and Roll was in the 50's. Adults find themselves scratching their heads and thinking "how can they listen to this crap?" And of course, there are the oddities which can live with the generation gap! I've seen some grannies grooving to this I shit you not o.o!! | ||
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pfods
United States895 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:57 Moonling wrote: Generally when your at a party people do not like to listen to somebody vomiting into a microphone, and with a band name like Cannibal Corpse. Hip/hop is personable in the sense you can play in public and not get the weirdest lookes in the world, plus girls generally aren't into the whole like death metal, mathcore, stuff. Post-hardcore maybe... like some underoath but You can party to hip/hop is generally a good reason to start off with Girls who aren't into death metal aren't worth knowing or associating with. | ||
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nastyyy
United States262 Posts
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:14 pfods wrote: Girls who aren't into death metal aren't worth knowing or associating with. Alone forever? | ||
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imperfect
Canada1652 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:56 Headshot wrote: Computer generated noises? I've got two words for you. The Roots. this man knows. | ||
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Meth
Canada396 Posts
Mainstream music just sucks, and I don't know why the masses fucking enjoy it, I think they just more listen to the beat and when that one, dare I say it, "good" hook goes they love it. Hip Hop should be how it WAS, but it will never stop evolving and I hope it evolves into something better than what it is, or if the underground just floods the streets with their GOSU SONGS. SPEAK SOME TRUTH. FUCK IT IM BUYING SOME CDS AND SENDING EVERYONE A GOD DAMN HOLIDAY HIP HOP RECORD | ||
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Deleted User 101379
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There are still enough metal and rock fans, so all is not lost. | ||
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Tyree
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The reason death metal isent popular and never will be is that people in general want to listen to happy music, or at least music that makes them happy. This is why rapping about actual social concerns (Public Enemy, early Pac etc) is not popular, and its more about bling this, bling that, hot car, hot bitches etc. Thats not to say all death metal is sad, cruel or miserable but to the non death metal fan it looks like music for people with severe depressions. Then you take into the fact that death metal dosent lend itself well if you play it in a club, what kind of reaction would people have? They just need music to dance to, something memorable and uplifting, not something about death, sins and destruction. I saw this (stupid) reality kind of show, where a bunch of stuck up women stand around in a tv studio by this small booth trying to find a date, like 20 of them, and a guy comes out, then they judge the guy on his looks then on his personality when a video package runs about who he is and what he does. This particular guy was decent looking (even as a straight male i can admit) and they showed that he was a electrician in real life, none of the women minded, he liked to play sports, again none of the women minded. Once his presentation video showed he was a drummer in a death metal band, more than half the women hit the "buzzer" meaning they wouldnt date him and only around 6 were left. | ||
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Sisko
United States121 Posts
For every good hip hop song there will be nine awful ones, and that's true of all music. If you don't listen to a lot of it, and be sure to avoid confusing popular with good, you surely won't like your brief encounters with it. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
I try not to judge music a whole lot, since no one is really qualified to do that no matter who they are. Judging the motives behind the creation of the music is ok with me though. Pop music is basically all motivated by profit, but we all knew that already anyway. That being said, comparing someone like [insertrandomhiphoprapperson] to the Romantic greats just makes me chuckle on the inside. Edit: On December 10 2010 16:19 Sisko wrote: If there is one thing that people take from this thread let it be this.For every good hip hop song there will be nine awful ones, and that's true of all music. If you don't listen to a lot of it, and be sure to avoid confusing popular with good, you surely won't like your brief encounters with it. | ||
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pfods
United States895 Posts
I know more girls into metal then I can count on my hands. | ||
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sawedust
United States506 Posts
With that being said, I don't mind listening to hip-hop/rap or death metal. They all have their uses for me. If there's a need to be pseudo-gangsta then rap it is, if I'm working out at the gym there's nothing better than metal to put me in the mood. It's personal preference. | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
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MahatmaSC2
United States192 Posts
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Scrapiron
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On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? Rap is fucking terrible and they probably have ghost writers as well as people making their beats for them (they are just faces for the music) and metal is the culmination of all that is right in the world. IN FLAMES WE TRUST | ||
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
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OriginalTritone
United States11 Posts
I don't share the OP's love for metal. Although there are some standout songs/artists, I really find it to be kind of a headache as a genre. I'm more a fan of progressive rock, blues, jazz, and even some classical music; but I've spent some time developing a taste for complex music--most people haven't. Sadly, our culture has side-barred some really great music that I'll never even get a chance to hear. And I do think that the commercialization of hip-hop is a sad reflection of our society's susceptibility to mass advertising. Popular music of every genre has been about the same thing since the 40's "take your slice of the American Dream, buy expensive and pointless things, fall into archetypes, judge people, be like me." | ||
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:20 Fontong wrote: Yeah why don't we just listen to classical music instead? Much better imho. I try not to judge music a whole lot, since no one is really qualified to do that no matter who they are. Judging the motives behind the creation of the music is ok with me though. Pop music is basically all motivated by profit, but we all knew that already anyway. That being said, comparing someone like [insertrandomhiphoprapperson] to the Romantic greats just makes me chuckle on the inside. Edit: If there is one thing that people take from this thread let it be this. Agreed completely. To take this slightly further, it angers me to read some of these responses in this thread that allude to this idea that you shouldn't listen to X genre because the average person doesn't like it, or because you will get weird looks in public, or because you won't get girls, etc. Are these serious contentions? Keep in mind that the general population who are responsible for deciding what is "good" or not, are also statistically not very smart or innovative people, and the majority of them only listen to what they do because it's put on the radio for them. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:20 Fontong wrote: Yeah why don't we just listen to classical music instead? Much better imho. yes yes this  classical music is the best, sad that its declined from its prominent position D; | ||
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TheGrimace
United States929 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:23 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Some of the people here are confirming what my friend was saying -- he doesn't like metal because you can't sing or dance to it. Is that seriously a reason why people don't like it? You seriously read every response before your post and that's your takeaway from the thread? Your cherry picking to support your conceptions. Why limit yourself? | ||
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MahatmaSC2
United States192 Posts
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Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
This is not to say I don't listen enjoy rap and metal myself at times. | ||
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Emon_
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:14 pfods wrote: Girls who aren't into death metal aren't worth knowing or associating with. Lol okay buddy, I'm not sure what kind of girls your in to. Also just because you know girls that listen to metal doesn't mean there attractive in ANY way, Also, no people don't listen to rap just because you can dance to it yea thats a good reason but also because its main stream its what the "kids" listen to everyone wants to be like everyone else this is so true in high school where conformity and popularity are at its finest | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10801 Posts
Right now it seems to be all about sing a song writer and easy listening rock. I love hardrock/punk and so on, but i wouldn't shed a tear if death/black whatever growling thing that calls itself music would never have been invented. | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:48 Velr wrote: I love hardrock/punk and so on, but i wouldn't shed a tear if death/black whatever growling thing that calls itself music would never have been invented. this. thank you. all that growling stuff makes me wanna puke. but everyone is entitled to their own opinions and tastes in music, and i'm sure people who like these kind of metal has had some sort of influence early on in their lives that led them to like it | ||
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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
I'm also going to pull a huge douche move here and say Death metal(or anything with unintelligible growling, constant screaming) is to music as a BA in something retarded (language, religion, etc) is to an education. Also, most of the population is sheep. | ||
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Ryndika
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Around me rap and hip hop is less loved than ever.. btw I LOVE SOAD 8)) (First fav band from 5th grade and last one too.) | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
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BenKen
United States860 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? Lots of reasons. a) Metal is only for "rawr so intense!". Maybe I don't feel like kicking someone's ass at the moment. There are very few exceptions to this. For example, I can't put on some metal on a first date or at a party with co-workers. Some girls like metal, but not many. b) Hip Hop fits more situations. There are hip-hop songs to get you pumped up to kick someone's ass, songs to get you laid, songs to get you thinking about life, songs to dance to, songs to celebrate to, songs about getting dumped, songs to talk about how awesome you are etc... Most girls like hip-hop in some form or another. c) It's really not as "high-level" musicianship as it seems, it's just played with a lot of intensity and speed. Nothing wrong with that; I still get in the mood for that on occasion. Lots of country players and christian rock bands are more skilled than most metal guitarists though. d) It used to be next to impossible to sound like Metallica. Now anyone with $200 can get balls-crushing guitar tone. Hell, Nickelback's guitar tone is heavier than the Kill'em all album. Anyone can line up some Marshalls and a drumkit and blast out some metal. On the other hand, most homebrew "beats" people make sounds like shit imo, and that's usually because it's hard to get the gear to sound like Kanye, and yes there is some skill involved in the production. e) It's 30+ years old. Metal is locked into "Heavy guitars + intense vocals + drums + bass" so it's gotten stale after 3 decades. Every iteration of this formula has been done to death by this point. I'm not saying Hip-hop is anything revolutionary right now, but it still occasionally sounds new. Metal hasn't sounded like anything new in a long, long time. Funny thing is, i've listened to shit-tons of metal in the course of my life. I've played in metal bands when I was in high school, and know ever guitar part for the Master of Puppets album by heart. I also know next to nothing about hip-hop compared to your average sorority girl. So you know where my biases are. Still seems obvious to me why one is more popular than the other. I'm not trying to shit on your favorite musical genre though. Who cares what's popular. It's just sounds in the end, listen to what you like. | ||
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
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RoarMan
Canada745 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:48 Velr wrote: I feel like Hip Hop/Rap was M U C H bigger in the early 2000's? Right now it seems to be all about sing a song writer and easy listening rock. I love hardrock/punk and so on, but i wouldn't shed a tear if death/black whatever growling thing that calls itself music would never have been invented. I agree. I think what we're seeing now is just pop music becoming really big, and by pop music I mean anything really hyped and being sold by the big music labels. Atleast I feel that way living in Canada. I think it really depends on where you are and who you're around tbh, there's a large variety of music out there, although the new stuff maybe a lot of pop, dance, hip hop and such people still love some Metallica imo :D | ||
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LaLLsc2
United States502 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:01 PUPATREE wrote: The dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum. Please elaborate ... | ||
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TheGreatWhiteHope_
United States335 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
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Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
I would be more worried about the declining quality of music these days, Meh. People who think that the quality of music is declining aren't putting the effort in. I could agree that there is LESS good music (percentage-wise), but not that good music has gotten worse (if anything it's gotten better). | ||
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
"On balance, however, Walker & Kreiner (2006) found in their study of male and female college students that participants who expressed a preference for intense rebellious music (defined as alternative, rock, and heavy metal) tended to have higher scores on an intelligence test, especially those processes involving abstraction." http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCR/is_1_42/ai_n25124428/pg_2/?tag=content;col1 | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On December 10 2010 17:01 BenKen wrote: e) It's 30+ years old. Metal is locked into "Heavy guitars + intense vocals + drums + bass" so it's gotten stale after 3 decades. Every iteration of this formula has been done to death by this point. I'm not saying Hip-hop is anything revolutionary right now, but it still occasionally sounds new. Metal hasn't sounded like anything new in a long, long time. That's just retarded. Most metal sucks, but I give the genre credit for having way more variety than average. There's just such a vast difference between the metal of 30 years ago and today, a much larger gap than the hip-hop of 30 years ago and today. Even comparing metal bands of the same time period yields, on average, much more variety than practically anything. | ||
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UrASofty
Canada772 Posts
Plus listening to hip hop = dancing = girls = fun | ||
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Zhoul
5 Posts
Of course there was plenty of other bands as well, like Otyg,Graveworm,Watain,Sins for thy beloved and so on. And nowdays the more melodic death metal like Dark Tranquility, Mors Principium Est, Black Dahlia Murder. Also ofcourse The Crown and Catamania. Really the list just goes on and on.. BUT! Even thought i could prolly go to sleep listening to metal, I just don't like listening to metal when i play competetive gaming for some reason. And since I really don't like pop at all, I tend to listen to rap while playing but not all rap thought. I usually listen to a bit more aggresive rap like Mystikal - Mystikal Fever or such, it has some of the aggression of metal but it fits better as background music when I'm trying to stay calm, some people might like adrenaline but i prefer to stay really really calm while playing. | ||
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
On December 10 2010 17:13 guN-viCe wrote: interesting study here... "On balance, however, Walker & Kreiner (2006) found in their study of male and female college students that participants who expressed a preference for intense rebellious music (defined as alternative, rock, and heavy metal) tended to have higher scores on an intelligence test, especially those processes involving abstraction." http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCR/is_1_42/ai_n25124428/pg_2/?tag=content;col1 Intersting study here..... Heavy Metal Music "Most research on music use has examined heavy metal music and the people who choose to listen to it. Studies have found that children who listen to heavy metal music are more likely to participate in a number of risky behaviors including drug use, drunk driving, and casual sex. Heavy metal listeners also report more conflicts with authority figures, such as teachers, and are more prone to depressive feelings and suicidal thoughts." http://www.teenhealthfx.com/answers/Emotional/45520.html - I'm not saying Metal is bad, just saying the way you tried to prove a point wasn't the best  | ||
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ZergOwaR
Norway280 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:52 .Aar wrote: I'd say the biggest thing for me regarding why I don't like metal is the image the word conjures for me: A slightly overweight American kid with no personality and an unfounded political belief structure of "anarchy mannnnnn." Someone who defines himself with the angsty music he listens to simply because he's not deep enough to find any other meaning in life. I'm not saying everyone who listens to metal is like this. I'm saying everyone I've met who listens to metal is. Also, why are you bashing on "computer generated noises"? Electronic music takes just as much artistic ability as any other kind, in some areas perhaps even more so. It's pure creativity and technical skill. then i would say that you've been too greatly influenced by the emo trend bud... most of the metalheads i know have found their way and listens to alot, but the favorites mirror alot of what they like or dislike.. The music i go for is the one that gets the fire going powerful, aggressive, fast.. but not angsty.. alot closer to happy than angstyanarchy.. nope.. wouldnt work well... but fight oppression at every damn corner | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On December 10 2010 17:01 BenKen wrote: d) It used to be next to impossible to sound like Metallica. Now anyone with $200 can get balls-crushing guitar tone. Hell, Nickelback's guitar tone is heavier than the Kill'em all album. Anyone can line up some Marshalls and a drumkit and blast out some metal. On the other hand, most homebrew "beats" people make sounds like shit imo, and that's usually because it's hard to get the gear to sound like Kanye, and yes there is some skill involved in the production. To be honest with you I think that it's not really true that almost nobody could sound like Metallica in the 80s. Many bands did; it's not the most common kind of thrash metal band, but it's up there. I'd say that there were more thrash metal bands that were "heavier" than Metallica than "softer". Metallica themselves were, to a large degree, trying to sound like a more intense Diamond Head on Kill em All. I'm pretty disappointed in the way metal is seen here, but I suppose it can't be helped. The stuff that I see as breaking many of the stereotypes espoused here, the stuff that I love, is stuff that the vast, vast majority of people do not like, and will never like. I consider myself a dedicated metalhead. I love old school bands as well known as Burzum, Morbid Angel, or Megadeth, or as obscure as Magnus (Pol) or Sorcery (Swe). However, I also love rap and see no conflict between them whatsoever. I don't listen to all that much modern rap, just not my style, but I do like Devin the Dude, Z-Ro, and others. | ||
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BruceLee6783
United States196 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:27 OriginalTritone wrote: Tastes are tastes... But to be honest the reason Rap and Hip Hop are so huge is because of their mainstream presence. Record labels dictate what is popular because they control what everyone hears on radio, tv, movies... everywhere. That isn't to say that I think Hip Hop is bad as a genre, but I certainly wouldn't compare it with any great music in history. Hip Hop appeals to simple aesthetics; it's catchy, it's simple, it's predictable and for better or worse people like these things. I don't share the OP's love for metal. Although there are some standout songs/artists, I really find it to be kind of a headache as a genre. I'm more a fan of progressive rock, blues, jazz, and even some classical music; but I've spent some time developing a taste for complex music--most people haven't. Sadly, our culture has side-barred some really great music that I'll never even get a chance to hear. And I do think that the commercialization of hip-hop is a sad reflection of our society's susceptibility to mass advertising. Popular music of every genre has been about the same thing since the 40's "take your slice of the American Dream, buy expensive and pointless things, fall into archetypes, judge people, be like me." Definitely this. | ||
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MahatmaSC2
United States192 Posts
On December 10 2010 17:17 UrASofty wrote: I prefer music that doesn't consist of screaming and worshiping the devil. Plus listening to hip hop = dancing = girls = fun Wow, way to make ignorant statements. I could also say that rappers only talk about money and drugs with half-naked chicks in their music videos to get more views. That's actually more accurate than what you said. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
I definitely have to hop on board with the pro-european metal people. So amazing. And nothing beats the metal songs in rock band. That said, hip-hop and rap can be cool too, no issue with it. I have some friends who are really into it - they tend to pop collars and wear flamboyant coloured shirts a little bit more than myself, but its not too embarrassing. | ||
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UrASofty
Canada772 Posts
On December 10 2010 17:30 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Wow, way to make ignorant statements. I could also say that rappers only talk about money and drugs with half-naked chicks in their music videos to get more views. That's actually more accurate than what you said. Money and half naked chicks are a good thing. No? | ||
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LLXC
United States125 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
That said, most of what I listen to is J and K-pop >.< | ||
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MahatmaSC2
United States192 Posts
On December 10 2010 17:36 UrASofty wrote: Money and half naked chicks are a good thing. No? NO. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On December 10 2010 17:33 Gnial wrote: This thread has some awesome comments. I definitely have to hop on board with the pro-european metal people. So amazing. And nothing beats the metal songs in rock band.(snip) . Yep, Euro metal is a lot more melodic and technical when compared to american metal (especially Gothenburg metal is kickass). I'm more a Melodic Death Metal/metalcore fan myself. I would say that its just easier to appreciate Hip Hop/rap when you start listening to music, without going into the technicality of the music. Metal, especially the heavier forms of it are more of an acquired taste. Honestly, I started out with Backstreet Boys and Boyzone myself (lol), then moved on to metallica, megadeth and the likes, then slipknot, slayer, godsmack etc. before finally settling into MDM/metalcore (older In Flames, Insomnium, Soilwork, etc.). Taking my own example, its easy to see the evolution of my taste over a period of 10 years. Most people don't take their musical interests very seriously, and only listen to it when they go clubbing or throw some music on while driving a car. These people never care to explore beyond the boundaries of popular music and hence their tastes tend to be limited. | ||
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Smgzy
United States187 Posts
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Genome852
United States979 Posts
I hate the music of most rap artists (Lil Wayne, etc.) and despise autotune as well. The whole gangsters + guns + women thing is unappealing. Movie soundtracks / 'epic' music is my favorite genre by far though. It's all just opinion. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
bring your shit to the table, cuz charlie gonna fuck it sideways | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On December 10 2010 17:58 bumatlarge wrote: Metal isn't hardcore, jazz is harcore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTORd2Y_X6U bring your shit to the table, cuz charlie gonna fuck it sideways Fuckin right. Those black/death metal clowns over at Hells Headbangers and Nuclear War Now! think they've discovered the key to nihilistic bestial hatred music. Jazz had it like 50 years ago. | ||
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fredd
Estonia256 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 10 2010 17:23 ZergOwaR wrote: then i would say that you've been too greatly influenced by the emo trend bud... most of the metalheads i know have found their way and listens to alot, but the favorites mirror alot of what they like or dislike.. The music i go for is the one that gets the fire going powerful, aggressive, fast.. but not angsty.. alot closer to happy than angstyanarchy.. nope.. wouldnt work well... but fight oppression at every damn corner I'd bet real money you can't name a single actual emo band and that you don't even know what the word means. I don't mean to be confrontational but I hear a LOT of emo critics and not a single one of them to this day has been able to correctly name an emo band or tell me what emo music is. The amount of ignorance and close mindedness toward other styles of music in this thread is literally staggering. It does help to confirm my theory that fans of metal in general tend to be the most close minded fans in music. And I can't think of a dumber "pro" to a genre of music than the difficulty of performance or how much technical ability is required to play it. That is like saying Avatar or Transformers are the best movies in the world because it has the most expensive and complex CGI and all low budget movies suck. Or that the best food is food that requires the most skill and finesse to cook. Also that's implying it doesn't take a massive amount of both inborn talent and learned skill to be a producer on the level of Madilb, Kanye West, or JDilla. Which is a laughably ridiculous implication at best, painfully ignorant at worst. Hey if it takes no skill to rap, why don't you have a go at it? To simplify it to "computer beeps and talking into a mic" is insulting to any lover of music and to all the talented and prolific artists in the genre of hip-hop. | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
If it doesn't have these things, I'm OK with it: Auto tune Lyrics about banging hos Excessive swearing Excessive screaming Overly repetitive lyrics Ridiculously slow tempo Completely electronic beats Artists whose songs all sound the same | ||
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Keldrath
United States449 Posts
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positron.
634 Posts
1) partying. 2) alcohol 3) sex 4) booty There are a few exceptions but that is pretty much it. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 10 2010 18:27 positron. wrote: ok let me sum up the content of all the hip hop/rap songs I have heard recently: 1) partying. 2) alcohol 3) sex 4) booty There are a few exceptions but that is pretty much it. let me sum up the content of some I heard recently: 1) strained family relationships 2) the entrapment of life in the ghetto 3) egocentric behavior and its affect on relationships 4) love 5) the future of society (sci-fi themes) maybe you should open your mind and expand outside the mainstream garbage dump | ||
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
geuss i should do the Sum up all the metal songs I have heard lately: My girl left me I hate my life Scream Scream some more scream so that the music becomes distorted some shit about love more inaudible screaming | ||
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positron.
634 Posts
On December 10 2010 18:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: let me sum up the content of some I heard recently: 1) strained family relationships 2) the entrapment of life in the ghetto 3) egocentric behavior and its affect on relationships 4) love 5) the future of society (sci-fi themes) maybe you should open your mind and expand outside the mainstream garbage dump I am complaining about the mainstream hiphop/rap that I heard on the radio. Stop speaking to people in that condescending tone. You are not that much smarter or better than people. | ||
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BasedSwag
Algeria418 Posts
Also a lot of rap is worth listening to just for the beats, who cares if they are talking about dicking fat booty bitches or something when it sounds good? Mainstream doesn't really equate to bad lyrics. I mean look at Kanye West, his new album/'film' is extremely pretentious but he's probably the most mainstream & overrated rapper right now. | ||
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555
56 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 10 2010 18:40 positron. wrote: I am complaining about the mainstream hiphop/rap that I heard on the radio. Stop speaking to people in that condescending tone. You are not that much smarter or better than people. And your post was clearly condescending toward hip-hop and its fans. How am I supposed to take from that post that you're only taking a dump on a certain portion of hip-hop? On December 10 2010 18:43 BasedSwag wrote: Mainstream metal and rap are just as bad as each other. Both have good lesser known artists though. Also a lot of rap is worth listening to just for the beats, who cares if they are talking about dicking fat booty bitches or something when it sounds good? Mainstream doesn't really equate to bad lyrics. I mean look at Kanye West, his new album/'film' is extremely pretentious but he's probably the most mainstream & overrated rapper right now. MBDTF was one of the best hip-hop albums this year He isn't overrated as a producer. I don't think he's a great rapper but his production is top notch. I'm trying to strike down the misconception that hip-hop is inherently shallow and that it's an invalid form of artistic expression. Sorry if I offended you, but your post had no context and I'm sure you can see how easily it can be taken the wrong way. I never said anything about myself or my intelligence or place in society. Why are you being so defensive and weird about it? | ||
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shucklesors
Singapore1176 Posts
Hiphop/rap is probably the most well-liked because it is extremely easy for the ear to understand, and lyrics which directly relate to a fantasical life. That's why I hate it so frickin' bad. I find enjoyment in listening to 2pac, breaking benjamin AND parkway drive. Its really preference imo, and in a sense what you grew up listening to. | ||
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bakedace
United States672 Posts
Death Metal takes skill and making hip hop doesnt? that's just down right stupid. Screaming non sense is not music. | ||
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UrASofty
Canada772 Posts
On December 10 2010 18:43 BasedSwag wrote: Mainstream metal and rap are just as bad as each other. Both have good lesser known artists though. Also a lot of rap is worth listening to just for the beats, who cares if they are talking about dicking fat booty bitches or something when it sounds good? Mainstream doesn't really equate to bad lyrics. I mean look at Kanye West, his new album/'film' is extremely pretentious but he's probably the most mainstream & overrated rapper right now. Although kanye is extremely overrated and his antics are quite annoying, his new album is amazing. | ||
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BasedSwag
Algeria418 Posts
On December 10 2010 18:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: MBDTF was one of the best hip-hop albums this year He isn't overrated as a producer. I don't think he's a great rapper but his production is top notch. I liked the album and agree with you on that, but I think the concept for the album (especially after viewing the "Runaway" film) was extremely pretentious, and undeniably unlike what most would think about when they talk about mainstream rap/hip-hop. | ||
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
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positron.
634 Posts
On December 10 2010 18:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: And your post was clearly condescending toward hip-hop and its fans. How am I supposed to take from that post that you're only taking a dump on a certain portion of hip-hop? Because I said that the hiphop/rap I have heard recently? Did I say that is all that get produced nowadays? It is not my fault some people just jumping to conclusion. | ||
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Joementum
787 Posts
I think it just has to do with what albums are being released. There haven't been many good metal albums (or rock for that matter) released lately IMO. I think Disturbed was the last one I actually liked and even so, I didn't think it was that great. Their new style isn't really my thing, but I know I'll like it eventually because all of their albums were like that for me. They had to grow on me. Now, hip hop, has had quite a lot of new artists come into the picture and a couple of new albums. The new Eminem album is actually pretty damn good. I'm not a huge fan of his, but the album he just came out with is excellent. Nicki Minaj ain't that bad either. I haven't heard her new album, but there are some good songs she's in. Kanye is also coming out with some good songs. Monster and Runaway being two of them. Like I said before, I think it has to do with more hip hop being released now than metal. Personally, I've been leaning towards more bass heavy music lately. I'm just not in the mood for any rock/metal. I'll throw in some Bullet for My Valentine or A Day to Remember here or there, but that's been quite rare for the past 2 months. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On December 10 2010 18:51 bakedace wrote: Death Metal takes skill and making hip hop doesnt? that's just down right stupid. Screaming non sense is not music. This is an extremely unhealthy attitude to take toward any genre of music, whether it be metal, hip-hop, or anything else. You can't just dismiss things as "not music". It's not an argument, just a refusal to discuss it. | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
As far as musical skill goes, beatmaking and electronica are so easy to make its literally sickening. Yeah, maybe joe blow cant just sit down at a computer and make great electronica or beats, but any midlevel skilled musician can. The hardest skill in music is songwriting. It is the least in supply, and the most difficult skill to obtain. Many many musicians try their entire lives and still never gain even moderate skill in songwriting. Go read any songwriting forum on the internet and youll see. Most people are completely clueless as how to write well or improve, and instead spend most of their time obsessing over instrumental performance (guitar solos etc) or recording/equipment/producing. Thats because those are skills that are easily obtained through blind repetition, or mastery of electronic equipment. Songwriting is by far the most difficult of all, thats why there are so few strong writers, and so many strong performers and producers. Go down to guitar center on any friday and tell me what you see... dozens of great drummers and great guitar players and djs. And yet? Not any great strong songwriters. There are alot of people in this thread making claims about music that are merely publicly adopted notions that dont really mean anything, and arent necessarily true. The general public has no idea how little they truly understand music. They simply know what they like, and what they like is based on their ego and their emotional/identity/lifestyle desires. So, thats about it. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 10 2010 18:55 positron. wrote: Because I said that the hiphop/rap I have heard recently? Did I say that is all that get produced nowadays? It is not my fault some people just jumping to conclusion. Doesn't the assumption follow that you chose to listen to that versus more insightful and artistic hip-hop? I'm not attacking you, but there are a lot of people that think ALL RAP is like you described and that's the IDEA I'm attacking and not you personally. | ||
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UrASofty
Canada772 Posts
On December 10 2010 18:55 positron. wrote: Because I said that the hiphop/rap I have heard recently? Did I say that is all that get produced nowadays? It is not my fault some people just jumping to conclusion. Your post was basically insinuating that hip hop sucks. DH merely called you out on it. | ||
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BasedSwag
Algeria418 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Keldrath
United States449 Posts
On December 10 2010 18:40 positron. wrote: I am complaining about the mainstream hiphop/rap that I heard on the radio. Stop speaking to people in that condescending tone. You are not that much smarter or better than people. honestly you wont hear much better from mainstream metal you'll hear on the radio either. theres a big difference between metallicas And Justice for All... or Megadeths Holy Wars and Disturbeds Down with the Sickness, or Linkin Parks Crawling. | ||
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karlmengsk
Canada230 Posts
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BasedSwag
Algeria418 Posts
On December 10 2010 19:01 Keldrath wrote: honestly you wont hear much better from mainstream metal you'll hear on the radio either. theres a big difference between metallicas And Justice for All... or Megadeths Holy Wars and Disturbeds Down with the Sickness, or Linkin Parks Crawling. All of those bands are extremely mainstream though. | ||
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Metalwing
Turkey1038 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? True rap isn't just computer generated sounds and talking into a microphone. Also, rap didn't grow so much more popular than metal and every other kind of music (if you're talking about lil wayne piece of shit, it did. And I need its reason as well). True rap is unique. Just unique. No stolen rhymes, no stolen words, no stolen name, who you are and what you say belongs to you and you only and only few people can really rap: 2Pac Nas Big L Guru (from Gang Starr) You see, list doesn't consist of too many people. People like Jay Z, 50 cent, lil wayne are just wannabe rappers and that's it. | ||
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Sulli
Canada236 Posts
It's especially true with mainstream hip hop artists. Artists such as Eminem, Drake, Lil' Wayne, etc. aren't simply products of media hype. They are doing what they are doing because they have gigantic personalities, strong opinions, and the skills to communicate their opinions. The same could be said about pop artists such as Katy Perry. One might say pop's all about mixing up catchy tunes, but you have to be ahead of the trend to even know what's catchy in the first place. No disrespect to technical music and the talent poured into them. However, I feel that music is first and foremost a medium of communication, and the masses latch onto rappers because they're there experimenting with language, playing with words, and communicating themselves through those words. | ||
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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
Lorken i kinda agree with you. lol, I should make this my sig  | ||
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Keldrath
United States449 Posts
On December 10 2010 19:03 BasedSwag wrote: All of those bands are extremely mainstream though. you can see the biggest difference when you listen to the lyrics. | ||
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
On December 10 2010 17:42 d_so wrote: what i dont get is why people like eminem now. He was good up till about his third cd, or until he started singing. I don't get why everyone likes him now when all he does is yell and sing. Totally agree.. He is so horrible now. He used to make good music Also old hiphop used to be so so so super awesome epmd, beatnutz, biz markie, dj honda etc pp. I think NAS is 100% right hip hop died when he prognosed it.. The new stuff is just very very horrible. Some exceptions like the one guy from outkast still provides some quality stuff, i also like some of the new Kayne West stuff. But pretty much stopped listening to the new hip hop for the last 5+ years | ||
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Falcon_NL
Netherlands236 Posts
CLASSIC MUSIC FOR THE WIN GUISE! | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6638 Posts
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positron.
634 Posts
On December 10 2010 18:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Doesn't the assumption follow that you chose to listen to that versus more insightful and artistic hip-hop? I'm not attacking you, but there are a lot of people that think ALL RAP is like you described and that's the IDEA I'm attacking and not you personally. No that assumption does not follow. Not trying to get into semantics here but there is a difference between "listen to" and "hear". They play it on the radio, TV so that is what I caught and heard. | ||
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Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
If it doesn't have these things, I'm OK with it: Auto tune You'd be hard pressed to find any musician that doesn't at least use some amount of auto-tune these days. Using auto-tune speeds up the production process saving artists literally thousands of dollars. Why spend 20 takes getting the song perfect when you could do it 3 times, auto-tune and get the same result? Time is money etc. It's not the most pleasant thought, but that's how the industry is evolving I guess. Just be glad that not everyone is doing it live yet. There is a secret to making popular music. All you have to do is make the listener feel good about themselves. Anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves and living in fantasyland. To be honest I think the secret is just accessibility, ie catchy handles. Pop songs are just more intricate versions of the advertisement dittys you hear on TV/the radio. Their message is delivered through their catchiness, not the other way around. | ||
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Issor
United States870 Posts
I love black metal (fuck it's so good) I also love hip-hop and oldschool rap. it's good shit. it's all good shit. stop fighting over which shit is gooder. | ||
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Sadist
United States7290 Posts
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
Now rap music is different kind of crap so they listen to it until they realize it's crap too. I call it the natural flow of crap in the music world. On December 10 2010 20:58 Sadist wrote: grunting metal sounds bad IMO that sounds like the greatest thing ever: - "Loktar! Swobu!" + Show Spoiler + war2 | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
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Raskit
579 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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Liveon
Netherlands1083 Posts
I love metal, but I only listen symphonic, folk and power metal. Folk metal will be grunted in, but I think it blends good with the music (bands like eluveitie). I hate black and death metal, it's so boring. I hate rap and hiphop. It's just boring, not enough variations and no melody. I know that that is very generalising, but it's the only hiphop/rap I've heard. Next to that, I don't like black people who sing, it's not because they're black, it's just that I don't like their voices. (I see rap as 'singing' too though). Metal is quite popular with certain groups, you just don't here it on the radio since people who listen metal don't listen to the radio because there's no metal on the radio. | ||
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CurLy[]
United States759 Posts
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
the only thing close to rap/hip hop that doesnt make me want to kill myself because its horrible would be cypress hill i'm more of a punk/ska guy though | ||
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RadiantX
2 Posts
I agree that some rap is awful in terms of creativity and quality, but you can't just lead off of a few and then form your opinion. Both types of artists could be respected in each way, it all comes down to preference. | ||
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
Btw Boesthius with an almost nargaroth like cover. KPOP IST KRIEG | ||
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ganil
253 Posts
I prefer listening to iron maiden, paul gilbert, buckethead, dream theater,... you know... that kind of stuff, but i don't know a lt of ppl who have the same taste lol. | ||
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tbrown47
United States1235 Posts
prefer techno though. and theres a couple of metal songs that i really love. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
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Panoptic
United Kingdom515 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? This is completely subjective, and not always necessarily true. Have you tried playing guitar? it's a piece of piss....and like the guy above rightly says, it means nothing when actually appreciating the music for it's own sake. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7917 Posts
Classical musicians most of the time consider rap as basically non-music with, on top of that, a very suspect ideological background (individualist egoistic agressive mysogynist subculture is not sexy and absolutely not subversive imo) | ||
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Panoptic
United Kingdom515 Posts
On December 10 2010 21:35 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't and nobody does around me. Classical musicians most of the time consider rap as basically non-music with, on top of that, a very suspect ideological background (individualist egoistic agressive mysogynist subculture is not sexy and absolutely not subversive imo) Couldn't you say that all kinds of musical subcultures are ideologically suspect? I wouldn't find it far fetched to say that pretty much all bands/musicians can be labelled as somewhat individualistic or egotistical. Pop music with girls running around naked is ideologically suspect. Metal culture is just as, if not more aggressive than hip-hop. Even classical music culture could be labelled negatively as elitist and backwards if you want. | ||
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BrainAKAdamage
England54 Posts
But to answer the OP question, imo the people who love Hip Hop/Rap now are the Braindead generation who got absorbed by the comercial radio play and this whole "I am cool if i listen to Hip Hop/Rap" trend. The best stuff is underground for any type of music, as soon as they make it big they have to adapt to what the media expects of them or they wont sell any records, get radio/TV play. Its all about money now, not the music. Besides there are lots of places where Hip Hop/Rap is nearly dead and only a very few select people still listen to it. Its just a trend that comes and goes the same as all other music types, for e.g. a few years back Rock and Metal was very popular, not so much these days anymore. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10801 Posts
On December 10 2010 17:22 Moonling wrote: Intersting study here..... Heavy Metal Music "Most research on music use has examined heavy metal music and the people who choose to listen to it. Studies have found that children who listen to heavy metal music are more likely to participate in a number of risky behaviors including drug use, drunk driving, and casual sex. Heavy metal listeners also report more conflicts with authority figures, such as teachers, and are more prone to depressive feelings and suicidal thoughts." http://www.teenhealthfx.com/answers/Emotional/45520.html - I'm not saying Metal is bad, just saying the way you tried to prove a point wasn't the best Sounds like a perfect advertisement for Rock/Punk/Metal to me .risky behaviors including drug use, drunk driving, and casual sex while having problems with some authorities to me translates to: "having fun, some more fun, even more fun". Btw: This is good stuff, just to have posted it: | ||
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OPSavioR
Sweden1465 Posts
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Azalie
New Zealand117 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:01 PUPATREE wrote: The dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum. Master Killah (Wu-Tang clan - Triumph) I think is what he was getting at peoples. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
Death metal and other styles including extreme screaming make my ears bleed, but when I hear rap I feel my braincells dying. Hip hop and in rare cases rap can be enjoyable but I prefer metal normally. | ||
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? dude.....so many metal bands just scream loud not-understandable words in the microphone 50 times in a song. Thats more skilled than writing a deep text with a message behind it? (imho there is a difference between this "im a gangster and i take drugs and f*** woman" rap and the more thoughtful rap, which i meant) | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17417 Posts
Take Ayreon for example, he's probably the last guy in modern music to do operettas, all songs on his album create a story, with each vocalist playing/singing different role, and then, all of his albums create a story of which single albums were just smaller parts. Worthy of note is that instead of just song titles, they're divided into prologue and acts. The story so far is pretty mindblowing but I won't spoil you, listen to it yourselves. Here the story begins: Find out more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Experiment Now back to rap. It has completely lost it's identity over the years. First of all, there is no music genre called "hip-hop", hip-hop is a way of life, usually associated with street and its activities. Hip-hop includes breakdancing, grafitti, rap, scratching, skating and so on. Also, with the rise of music industry and stars earning a lot of money, the focus changed to it and what it relates to (today's "gangstas" are usually rich, singing about money and "hoes"), unlike in the past, where rap was used to show the troubles of everyday life in the street. The depth of both texts and music used has degraded heavily, I miss the days when you could hear pearls like: You won't understand it since it's in polish, but just check out how this song flows. And it doesn't say anything about money, love or anything like that. It's about HIV/AIDS test and how anxious person becomes waiting for the results, will it be a plus or a minus (positive/negative)? On the US scene, which is more or less the craddle of rap, the only thing that's reassuring is that there are still people who stay true to the old ways. Another thing I want to see more in music is collaborations from artists coming from different genres. Those tend to produce awesome results. Just check them out: Things like that help you forget about the differences and enjoy quality music without any prejudice. Edit: Found version that might be more to OP's liking | ||
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Raskit
579 Posts
On December 10 2010 21:51 ggrrg wrote: Rap is pretty mindnumbing for the most part. I really can't understand people that enjoy listening to some "gangsta" with 5 pounds of gold hanging from his neck and another 2 lbs inserted in his mouth explaining that he's the king of the world, banging hoes day and night, snorting/smoking/swallowing a variety of drugs inbetween while praising his weapon collection that he needs to protect himself from other "gangstas" and the "fucking police". Of course all of that has to be conveyed with an absurd amount of swearing in a slang that is barely related to any real language... Death metal and other styles including extreme screaming make my ears bleed, but when I hear rap I feel my braincells dying. Hip hop and in rare cases rap can be enjoyable but I prefer metal normally. Your ignorance and close mindedness is rather humorous. You know all those people you don't talk to about Starcraft and eSports because of how they don't understand it or would give a stereotypical, ignorant negative comment? Yeh, you just demonstrated the kind of response one of those people would give when it comes to hip-hop/rap. | ||
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Joementum
787 Posts
On December 10 2010 21:18 CurLy[] wrote: Ya'll niggas is trippin. These niggas be arguing 'bout some stupid shit. Why does every thread on TL turn into some debate or argument? It's like everyone is trying to be a smartass and out smartass each other. | ||
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
"teamliquid, where everyone is a 200 iq genius that make 200k a year and does a backflip hatchet attack." There is nothing bad with arguing, its only bad when you are 100% NOT open to other opinions. Then everyone can write their arguments over and over again and nothing improves/no solution shall be found. Or sometimes there does not have to be a solution, just confirmation. That is achieved easier. + Show Spoiler + I am so intelligent. Hell yeah. | ||
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OPSavioR
Sweden1465 Posts
the only good rap! | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
Metal is just an emo growling like an animal. Rap is just some wannabe gangsta "singing" about his "hoes". You can say stuff like this about every kind of music, that doesnt make it bad. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17417 Posts
On December 10 2010 22:05 Joementum wrote: These niggas be arguing 'bout some stupid shit. Why does every thread on TL turn into some debate or argument? It's like everyone is trying to be a smartass and out smartass each other. Don't you try and go smart on me here.  | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On December 10 2010 21:16 Liveon wrote: Why do people see 'metal' as death metal or black metal? That's nonsense. I love metal, but I only listen symphonic, folk and power metal. Folk metal will be grunted in, but I think it blends good with the music (bands like eluveitie). I hate black and death metal, it's so boring. Half or more of the folk metal bands that were popular last decade(seems to be waning now) played by-the-books gothenburg death metal - as far as you could call that stuff death metal, anyway - PLUS a fiddle or PLUS an accordion. I know there were other styles; Skyclad, Primordial, Tyr, and a few others didn't just play mid-90s Gothenburg style death metal with accordion breaks. They were exceptions, and in any case anyone who likes Primordial could easily get into Greek black metal and Bathory with a little exposure. I should add though that you're right, black and death metal isn't all that's going on in metal today. It isn't even all that trve metal warriors are hyped up about. Good old school sounding traditional doom is liked by some subset of that population, and practically everyone loved the first White Wizzard EP(not so much the followups) and all of the associated new wave of heavy metal bands, such as Zuul, Enforcer, and Christian Mistress. Great bands for anyone who loves old school heavy metal a la Iron Maiden or Judas Priest. | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
Mainstream music is easy to listen to and I totally understand that and respect that for many people the joy and fun in a party comes from the people, the atmophere and the social interactions. Alcohol and especially the music are just means of enhancing the experience. Metal and other "extreme" music can be quite dominating in that way. That been said I would never, ever go to a concert with mainstream music cause weird enough, the music is the center of a concert. Listening to R´n´B in the radio, a club or a concert is same/same to me (whats up with all those dancers? The music is too weak to stand alone?) Music thats not mainstream is infinitly better on a live stage than mainstream because of its dominance, its focus and its way of charming the crowd. Metal, however is not dying. In northern Europe its in fact having a renaissance with more and more metal festivals coming each year. The clip below is from a Lamb of God concert in early spring 2010. I think I am 1 of the "naked" guys at around 1:10 in the clip. That was an amazing concert. | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On December 10 2010 21:35 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't and nobody does around me. Classical musicians most of the time consider rap as basically non-music with, on top of that, a very suspect ideological background (individualist egoistic agressive mysogynist subculture is not sexy and absolutely not subversive imo) what the.. I'm a music major (focus in cello) and I think good rap is awesome O__o along with a number of my friends.. | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
In my eyes rap and hip hop in general are just some dumb people talking about how tough they are while they have some repetative weak "beat" in the background My favorite genre of music though have been Metal for years now and i'm never gonna change it | ||
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ZhenMiChan
Netherlands1181 Posts
Most of the modern stuff is so boring and all the sameT_T I prefer some real music. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On December 10 2010 22:18 ArvickHero wrote: what the.. I'm a music major (focus in cello) and I think good rap is awesome O__o along with a number of my friends.. Agreed, and it'd be quite a hypocritical thing to do for a community which has no problem worshipping acts far less traditionally "musical" than hip-hop. Like, seriously? Hip-hop is less musical than a Xenakis percussion piece? | ||
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Raskit
579 Posts
On December 10 2010 22:19 KinosJourney2 wrote: In my eyes rap and hip hop in general are just some dumb people talking about how tough they are while they have some repetative weak "beat" in the background In my eyes metal in general is just some dumb people who are fat, sweaty, long haired, depressed, devil worshipping, loser noise bags who scream and play their instruments way too aggressively and they wear those silly masks on stage. Oh hold a second! I actually listen to genre, like I do hip-hop, so don't hold such a stupidly ignorant opinion. See how silly you sound? | ||
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Lokgar
United States147 Posts
80's - early 2000's rap was the best. Currently the only rap played on the radio is good when drunk as hell, and even then it can make me cringe. If you guys want good rap, listen to 2pac, biggie, wutang, NWA, Kool G Rap, half a mill, AZ, NaS, and Public Enemy. Also any of the older albums from the wu tang members and ice cube (up to about Raw Footage). But yeah, also a huge fan of the eastern european death metal scene. Decapitated is the SHIT! | ||
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-KarmA
United States353 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: I too find many of the popular (50 cent, Jay-Z, can't remember too many names because shitty rappers don't really deserve a place in my memory) rappers to be very, well, shitty composers I agree with this. If i turn to our local rap channel all i get is the same beat, with the same sounding black guy, singing about the same pimp this, get money, im so rich, dont care if you hate me, crap. Lately its all been the same crap. And it seems like anyone who can think up a few rhymes about getting money gets a label all of a sudden =/ wheres the heart at? | ||
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ProtossGirl
England123 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:13 nimrodel wrote: because rap embodies the values of ego, greed, and vanity - exactly what everything has been reduced to in our times the content of the expression has become secondary to the success Bingo. | ||
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couches
618 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Bold part is jus trollin.Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? Technical playing abilities (say somebody who plays like Dimebag, <3 btw) is a different kind of skill than producing. Both are indicators of good musicianship when done well. Something tells me you don't know anything about making music. Otherwise you probably wouldn't have such an ignorant opinion about this. Most people like pop rap (stuff on the charts basically) because it's instant gratification, hilarious and fun. I think it's hilarious because all the gangster materialism attitude that is promoted is just try hard. The average person listening to a rap station or generic rock station may not have time or know how to explore obscure labels and musicians. It's simple enough to appeal to the most number of people in order to bring in the biggest bucks for the large record label. There's no reason to hate on it, that's just being a douche. Music is music you either like something or you don't. No reason to take it further then that. Metal is always about outsiders. It will never be mainstream and this is a god damn good thing. Why would you want it to be popular? Do you want all your super hard core super serious metalhead dudes to end up soft like loltalica? | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6638 Posts
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ZergOwaR
Norway280 Posts
On December 10 2010 18:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'd bet real money you can't name a single actual emo band and that you don't even know what the word means. I don't mean to be confrontational but I hear a LOT of emo critics and not a single one of them to this day has been able to correctly name an emo band or tell me what emo music is. well first of.. emo trend.. not emo as a musical genre emo started as a offspring from punk.. more emotional and vocal if i'm not too off target.. doesn't matter.. put hey.. free cash did some light reading during the weird shit in mexico was it? where "emo" people was beaten up by "punk" and "goth" people for stealing/perverting the style.. so rite of springs was one of the pioneers of the genre yes? it was just that "angsty" music thing that immediatly gets me to think of that "deeply depressed, cutting oneself, everyone hates me", sad sad part of the emo style.. i know its steriotypical but some are like that.. and more often than not the mind will work with steriotypical booths when describing something. though i guess the main part of the "emo" style is simply a against conformity/ yay anarchy way of punk with a bit darker twist? sadly this style kinda have more descriptions than there are translations of "gods word" so take your pick! :Datleast from my point of view metal aren't angsty.. ofc some here and there, but most genres have some angst in them.. just not defined by them yes? | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:52 .Aar wrote: I'd say the biggest thing for me regarding why I don't like metal is the image the word conjures for me: A slightly overweight American kid with no personality and an unfounded political belief structure of "anarchy mannnnnn." Someone who defines himself with the angsty music he listens to simply because he's not deep enough to find any other meaning in life. I'm not saying everyone who listens to metal is like this. I'm saying everyone I've met who listens to metal is. Also, why are you bashing on "computer generated noises"? Electronic music takes just as much artistic ability as any other kind, in some areas perhaps even more so. It's pure creativity and technical skill. This is quite interesting. Are you saying you can't listen to metal because only lesser people do, and you want to distance yourself from this group? Also, these people that you've met. I'm going to assume you learned they listened to metal by the way they looked rather than speaking to them. I highly doubt you go up to every person you meet and ask if they listen to metal or not. I sure as hell listen to metal but you could never tell unless I told you. That said I enjoy my Eminem, some Rhianna and similar artists, as well as most other genres. On December 10 2010 22:14 Deadlyfish wrote: Metal is just an emo growling like an animal. Rap is just some wannabe gangsta "singing" about his "hoes". You can say stuff like this about every kind of music, that doesnt make it bad. Sure, but to me metal has never been about growling. Never will be. God that shit is weak. Anyway, same goes for rap. The rap I enjoy is the rap that isn't about wannabe gangstas telling me all about their hoes. So when you say what you said you define what I (And I assume most people) find bad about the genres. That doesn't mean everyone dislikes growling, or ganstarap, but that those who don't "like metal" probably have a warped image of what it is and don't realize what it can be judging the entire genre without giving it a second look. Same for rap. | ||
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sith
United States2474 Posts
There are people that like the shit mainstream rap, sure, it's simple and easy to dance to in a club setting. But the actual genre has so much more to offer than what is on the radio. I couldn't even tell you if anything good is on the radio, I don't believe I've listened to in the last few years. I'm not trying to sound snobby, but I hate a lot of the mainstream shit probably just as much as you (not to say there aren't a few artists in the mainstream that are decent...word up kanye). Hip hop was first and foremost a movement that had shit to do with how many rims you had on your car or how much your necklace was worth. It was a way of speaking to make sure you were heard, a form of poetry. The beats were simple, now they're better produced, but the idea remains. That hip hop isn't dead, just in hiding. And you can find it if you're willing to dig just a little under the surface of the sludge that is "Tha Carter IV" or whatever the fuck Wayne is releasing next. | ||
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insta
216 Posts
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
Rock music as a whole has died over the past 5 years. There's nothing new or innovative anymore. Hiphop is really the music of this generation, and though you say hip-hop embodies things like vanity and greed, that's pretty ignorant. Good hip-hop music has meaning, so I don't know where a lot of the opinions in this thread are coming from. | ||
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howerpower
United States619 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? The way you dislike rap is the way I dislike metal. Stop trying to play your guitar fast and write something interesting and melodic. Why don't more kids play math rock? That's just what I play and it's what I'm into, to each his own. but also, I don't get how rap became and has stayed so popular. There are some good artist, but the majority of what most people listen to and what I hear is pretty bad. I have some friends who listen to Kid Cudi and Asher Roth, I don't really know the songs but alot of it is pretty good. | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On December 10 2010 23:12 sith wrote: To everyone decrying hip hop as a genre: how would you feel if I based my entire judgement of your musical tastes off a few (awful) mainstream artists? You want me to judge all of country music off of Taylor Swift? How about I just assume after I heard a Metallica song on the radio that all of metal is shit. Hell, is Metallica even considered metal? Who cares, it's awful! This is essentially what you're doing. Wholeheartedly agree with this. Anyway, here's the metal I like; And the rap I like; On December 10 2010 23:18 howerpower wrote: The way you dislike rap is the way I dislike metal. Stop trying to play your guitar fast and write something interesting and melodic. Why don't more kids play math rock? That's just what I play and it's what I'm into, to each his own. You should probably check out both Nightwish and Sonata Arctica and come back with the melodic argument. Obviously there's more, a lot more. | ||
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son1dow
Lithuania322 Posts
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Zabimaru
United Kingdom132 Posts
Metal and rock is far from childish and nor has is died. I work in music so I can say my opinion counts for something at least- because this is my job, my life and my passion. Both Hip-hop and rock and metal have great senses going on, with even genres blurring the edges into one another. I see no need to even compare them in the manner some people are in this thread- music can be very localized, with some areas mainly metal and others hip-hop, giving the illusion that one genre is more popular than the other. Music is an art form- therefore an expression. There is no right or wrong, nor is either genre better than the other. Now I’m going to get back to learning Serenity Painted Death and The Count of Tuscany for a gig coming up. Peace and Muisc to all. ^_^ | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
hip hop is good and i like the more lyrical artists like eminem and kanye, but also other artists and songs that are just good to jam to like lil wayne (which is lyrically sick at times too) and wiz khalifa. here's a good example, i dont know who wouldnt like this song: so to answer your question why does everyone love hiphop now?BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS ^ it might not be the mostt deep poetic shit you've ever heard lol but it entertains and its a damn good song. That sonata artica shit postred above me....i dno thats too touchy feely and sounds like crap. IMO wiz khalifa FTW! *Note: Black and yellow = Pittsburgh | ||
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keeblur
United States826 Posts
Music is relative. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean others don't. I like the color blue, are you going to tell me that blue is inferior to the color you like? Grow up. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
Good metal is entertaining. Bad hip hop is bad. Bad metal is bad. Thank you. | ||
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howerpower
United States619 Posts
On December 10 2010 23:35 HeavenS wrote: yeap i think its personal taste. i personally think metal is crap. hip hop is good and i like the more lyrical artists like eminem and kanye, but also other artists and songs that are just good to jam to like lil wayne (which is lyrically sick at times too) and wiz khalifa. here's a good example, i dont know who wouldnt like this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UePtoxDhJSw so to answer your question why does everyone love hiphop now?BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS ^ it might not be the mostt deep poetic shit you've ever heard lol but it entertains and its a damn good song. That sonata artica shit postred above me....i dno thats too touchy feely and sounds like crap. IMO wiz khalifa FTW! lord, it's just so so so bad. | ||
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ilmman
364 Posts
i thought we just enjoyed the catchy beats and rhythm cause thats where you feel the music... otherwise i could say i could sing any song with a "mary had a little lamb" tone and it would be top 10 in charts because "lyrics" are so important... | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6638 Posts
Yeah I gotta agree, I like hip hop but I don't like this very much. Here's a couple examples of things I like. | ||
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:01 PUPATREE wrote: The dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum. one of the best and truest lines ever spoken honestly. wu tang clan ain't nothin to fuck with. edit: obligatory 'why hip hop is good' songs: and just because you made a point to call the beats electronic, prolly one of my favorite hip hop songs ever on a very smooth INSTRUMENTAL beat | ||
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son1dow
Lithuania322 Posts
On December 10 2010 23:37 bonifaceviii wrote: Good hip hop is entertaining. Good metal is entertaining. Bad hip hop is bad. Bad metal is bad. Thank you. I agree on everything apart from this: Good metal is entertaining. I think we take (and I've felt this for a hundred times) metal very differently. Very rarely is metal entertaining to me, what it usually is is "empowering" or flat out overwhelming. Edit: It's kind of why, in my theory, metal is not as popular nowadays - it requires a way different attitude and more attention than most other music, and the heavier, more complex genres definitely require a "taste development" process to be even listenable. Before it just hit mainstream and that was why people tried it out, now they simply don't instead they just hear it for a few times and decide that it's not as entertaining as other music, not grasping that it's not even supposed to be entertaining, in my opinion. I pity those people, metal is like a drug for me :\ | ||
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howerpower
United States619 Posts
On December 11 2010 00:00 jello_biafra wrote: Yeah I gotta agree, I like hip hop but I don't like this very much. Here's a couple examples of things I like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSSVeHBm2V0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofuad5I_hds nice post man, this stuff sounds way better. | ||
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Raskit
579 Posts
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Clickety
Portugal196 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=236Lquwq22A | ||
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EyeballKid
6 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? You should really educate yourself on what you are talking about if you want to make posts like these. The argument that rap doesn't require any skill to make is really tiresome, and always made by people who don't really know what they are talking about and cite bad rappers as examples (Pop music isn't bad because Katy Perry is bad, either). Rap, like all major genres of music, has musical genius'. Try listening with an open mind to artists like Nas, Wu-Tang Clan and Pharoahe Monch (his flow is extremely skilful). I also think that too much emphasis on technical skill takes away from other aspects of listening to music (DragonForce, for instance, make horrible music). Sometimes less is more. Anyway, I don't really think metal as a genre is suffering. I think Metallica are the 7th best selling band from the US ever or something like that. You would have more to complain about if you were a country or classic soul fan. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
On December 10 2010 23:29 Zabimaru wrote: The amount of ignorance in this thread is amazing... I am almost speechless by it. Seriously. Metal and rock is far from childish and nor has is died. I work in music so I can say my opinion counts for something at least- because this is my job, my life and my passion. Both Hip-hop and rock and metal have great senses going on, with even genres blurring the edges into one another. I see no need to even compare them in the manner some people are in this thread- music can be very localized, with some areas mainly metal and others hip-hop, giving the illusion that one genre is more popular than the other. Music is an art form- therefore an expression. There is no right or wrong, nor is either genre better than the other. Now I’m going to get back to learning Serenity Painted Death and The Count of Tuscany for a gig coming up. Peace and Muisc to all. ^_^ Serenity Painted Death! You sir win this thread what instrument do you play? Whatever it is gj on playing it at Petrucci/Portnoy/Myung/Rudess level, whichever is applicable lol | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
You cannot go listen to a radio or watch MTV and expect to hear the good stuff, what gets crap in radios and MTV is money and brainwashing IMO. Rap as a genre started good but somewhere aroun 2000 when it first became "big" it started to get twisted. Now the genre is characterized with black guys in ridiculous clothes, with alot of bitches dancin around. Lyrics are always about money, bitches, partying, gangsta shit or something like that filled with cursewords and the n-word. Dead, soulless crap. Sometimes there's these RnB dime in a dozen stars(read. bitches) shaking their booty and singing something stupid to mix things up. Every rapper sounds pretty much the same or worse & the rapping has almost no melody and the music is simply terrible. And people have boxed themselves in so compeletely, it's so repetitive! If you want to hear good music with the raps go listen a few songs of cypress hill. Here is some of the better stuff. Listen to the music ffs! | ||
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
Just listen to this: Such a deep and dark message, sung perfectly with perfect rhymes. Try doing that yourself. | ||
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Clickety
Portugal196 Posts
I don't really think metal as a genre is suffering. I think Metallica are the 7th best selling band from the US ever or something like that. You would have more to complain about if you were a country or classic soul fan. Well, Taylor Swift is selling a lot, I don't think country fans should complain.See what I did there? Bad metal is still popular. It's either dull riffs, terrible death metal growling and lyrics about maggots and organs or terribly slow melodic rhythm and a 12 year old squeaking about pain and depression. Darn, where's the old 80's Metal that made you feel like a freaking beast? Bands like Maiden and Judas had amazing riffs, ridiculously good singing and solos that made you want to play air guitar on the bus, god damn it. I miss that music. | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
On December 11 2010 00:26 EyeballKid wrote: You should really educate yourself on what you are talking about if you want to make posts like these. The argument that rap doesn't require any skill to make is really tiresome, and always made by people who don't really know what they are talking about and cite bad rappers as examples (Pop music isn't bad because Katy Perry is bad, either). Rap, like all major genres of music, has musical genius'. Try listening with an open mind to artists like Nas, Wu-Tang Clan and Pharoahe Monch (his flow is extremely skilful). I also think that too much emphasis on technical skill takes away from other aspects of listening to music (DragonForce, for instance, make horrible music). Sometimes less is more. Anyway, I don't really think metal as a genre is suffering. I think Metallica are the 7th best selling band from the US ever or something like that. You would have more to complain about if you were a country or classic soul fan. i agree with you. sometimes too much . like the second video in jello_biafras post. yes it sounds sick, his flow is sick too. but alot (alot not all) of what he says is bullshit. and thats very typical with alot of very lyrical songs. some are very pretentious and they just put together deep sounding shit for the purpose of sounding lyrical and non mainstream. oh this is what you think about society? your not happy with it? okay the study, be somebody and make a difference or do something worthwhile. but what do they decide to do? become rarely-listened to rappers to spread their message. its bs alot of the time, although that statement doesnt apply to every single one. I can listen to a song like that and appreciate it, but i cant listen to that in my car while i drive trying to just enjoy the music. obviously some of those types of songs are exceptions. the song i posted was meant to present something good to jam to, not to look to for lyrical inspiration. like kanye for example, alot of the shit he says is stupid, and his views are stupid, but the way he says it is sick. so i can jam to it. listening to lyrical music is good for a bit, but its hard to enjoy when you dont agree with alot of the shit being said and its like "fuck ok i get it alrdy u suffered stop trying to indoctrinate me with ur black panther bullshit sentiment" anyways/endrant | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
Now THAT is some metal. And that. Now rap is a hard subject for me. I absolutely HATE guns pussy money rap. I think it's probably the lowest form of music on earth. Not all rap though is bad. Rap is just putting poetry in motion with sound behind and it can be rather insightful. My favorite rap group is the Sand People Seriously look into these fuckers, good lord they are amazing. So intelligent with their lyrics. O.o Since when does that happen? | ||
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braammbolius
179 Posts
On December 10 2010 23:17 Amber[LighT] wrote: Hiphop is really the music of this generation, You best be trollin' Hiphop has been dead for god knows how long....killed by what you know as "Hiphop". | ||
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
1) There is bad, mainstream rap. 2) There is bad, mainstream metal. 3) There is good, intellectual and inspiring rap. 4) There is good, intellectual and inspiring metal. and 5) Different people will prefer one genre over the other regardless of these facts. And now for a brief musical interlude: "Respiration" by Black Star | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
im sorry but those first videos u posted....wow. that is total fucking shit. you can listen and enjoy that? i admire you. anyways your last video isnt too bad. lyrics are alright and theyre flow is nice. you might like this next song. Some other type of hip hop i like, are songs that tell stories, they're lyrical but ALSO enjoyable to listen to. for example Plan B- She said this dude can rap and sing and he's british or something so his flow sounds ridiculous (good) the video alone is fucking sick. his rapping starts around two minutes, but listen to the whole thing. its a good song ;] | ||
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Kyhol
Canada2575 Posts
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unbal3
Korea (South)131 Posts
If you can see past the silhouette, though (which you can do with a little ear training), and start to appreciate the colors of every note in the music, you get to appreciate pretty much every genre. What's more though, is that you can finally hear the beauty in harmonic music, such as this: | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
If only autotune never existed. | ||
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Beside_kr
Canada902 Posts
This really hasn't changed since Metal's recovery in the late 90s or early 00s. It's an extremely alienating sound; you either like it or you don't. I feel like if a metal band throws me a bone, something for a non-metal fan i can really get into it (something like Mastodon or Agalloch) but if they just want to growl into the mic and pound on a double kick bass drum then there's really no reason for me to give them a chance. If you want to whitewash hip hop then it's fair if people whitewash metal. On an unrelated note, metal's subgenres are vast and ridiculous. | ||
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unbal3
Korea (South)131 Posts
an artistic form of auditory communication incorporating instrumental or vocal tones in a structured and continuous manner In that sense, N3rV[Green], the "songs" you posted barely qualify as music. No, seriously. I forced myself to listen through the first half of the "song" and there was a maximum of 2 pitches being played/puked at any given time. The rest was basically white noise. Elementary school orchestras make better music. Sheesh. | ||
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Rakanishu2
United States475 Posts
On December 10 2010 22:18 ArvickHero wrote: what the.. I'm a music major (focus in cello) and I think good rap is awesome O__o along with a number of my friends.. Musician for 9 years while in school and you don't understand what music is if you think rap isn't music. | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
Arsonists get all the girls Whitechapel All Shall Perish Genghis Tron Iwrestledabearonce (chick vocalist, good lord she is amazing and hot) Through the Eyes of the Dead Waking the Cadaver Sky Eats Airplane (a little technoish with some metalish, just good stuff really) I declare war The Irish Front Drop Dead Gorgeous Born of Osiris The Acacia Strain From the Shallows Dr. Acula Heaven Shall Burn Deathklok suicide silence veil of maya Oceano There, that's a little wider of a sample for you guys. I forget sometimes that some of my music shouldn't go out in public O.o | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
I like old tunes from the 60's and 70's. While the players in some cases aren't as mechanically excellent, the songs are always filled with emotion. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:16 Meth wrote: 90's Hip Hop please, that is all. Mainstream music just sucks, and I don't know why the masses fucking enjoy it, I think they just more listen to the beat and when that one, dare I say it, "good" hook goes they love it. Hip Hop should be how it WAS, but it will never stop evolving and I hope it evolves into something better than what it is, or if the underground just floods the streets with their GOSU SONGS. SPEAK SOME TRUTH. FUCK IT IM BUYING SOME CDS AND SENDING EVERYONE A GOD DAMN HOLIDAY HIP HOP RECORD There is a LOT of good hip-hop being made right now. There are up and comers that are getting signed that rap real shit, not just clothes, hos, and bankrolls. That said, to the OP, I like rap because of the story-telling in it. It opens your eyes to a world most people have never been a part of, and will never know at a personal level. Some rappers are very relatable to, like Em. If you listen to his older stuff, some of his stuff hits really close to the heart for a lot of people. Death metal? It's ridiculous, and most of it starts to sound the same after a while. I love CoB, In Flames, lots of groups like that, but I can only take so much of their music after a while. Older thrash metal is getting worn out. I've listened to Megadeth, Metallica, etc, for so long now that I'm just bored with it. Most of them don't put out good albums anymore. Metallica hit one out of the park with Death Magnetic, imo, but Megadeth hasn't put out a good album since 2004's The System has Failed. Groups like Kreator get old fast with the lack of variance in vocals, and really structure of their music in general. Other groups lost important members and kind of suck now because of it. Aside from all of that, it's not like people pick one style of music. I love hip-hop, probably moreso than any other type of music (and I mean real hip-hop, not this hip-pop shit), but I have a lot of love for metal, and other types as well. I think you're probably a boring person if all you listen to is metal variances. | ||
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
i won't plague your ears with the worst of the genres, but here's some of the best | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On December 10 2010 23:17 Amber[LighT] wrote: Hiphop music is more enjoyable. Metal is childish and phase music, at best. Rock music as a whole has died over the past 5 years. There's nothing new or innovative anymore. Hiphop is really the music of this generation, and though you say hip-hop embodies things like vanity and greed, that's pretty ignorant. Good hip-hop music has meaning, so I don't know where a lot of the opinions in this thread are coming from. What do you mean over the last 5 years? What incredible band stopped making great music in 2005? I'm really confused by this statement. Also: Arcade Fire. | ||
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
On December 11 2010 01:09 N3rV[Green] wrote: Ok rather than just put lots of youtube videos, I'll just give a list. Yes yes, the metal I put up before is a little on the extreme side, not for all. Hopefully at least SOMETHING on this list of amazing metal could get ya going. Arsonists get all the girls Whitechapel All Shall Perish Genghis Tron Iwrestledabearonce (chick vocalist, good lord she is amazing and hot) Through the Eyes of the Dead Waking the Cadaver Sky Eats Airplane (a little technoish with some metalish, just good stuff really) I declare war The Irish Front Drop Dead Gorgeous Born of Osiris The Acacia Strain From the Shallows Dr. Acula Heaven Shall Burn Deathklok suicide silence veil of maya Oceano There, that's a little wider of a sample for you guys. I forget sometimes that some of my music shouldn't go out in public O.o I like how 95% of what you posted is hardcore/deathcore and not really metal, lol I mean Ghengis Tron and many others on there are really good but cmon man | ||
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HansMoleman
United States343 Posts
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
Grindcore, metalcore, deathcore, black metal, mathcore, it really is endless and it's all kinda bullshit to me. I just like the screaming. | ||
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Kenderson
Canada280 Posts
Favourites ATM: All That Remains (their latest album in particular is my favourite album of all time) August Burns Red Bullet For My Valentine Miss May I | ||
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Mongery
892 Posts
and some trance! oh yeah baby | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On December 11 2010 01:18 Lexpar wrote: Man metal makes no sense to me. It's literally everyone playing every note as fast as they cane on their instrument. Every song sounds the same. Modern metal is pretty emotionless. FYI screaming every lyric does not equal emotion. In my mind, most of these guys are losers who took 12 years of music lessons, but since they can't write songs they just write stupid shit about disembowelment and decapitation that any fourth grader could drool out and scream it as loud and fast as possible. Not my pride of lions. I like old tunes from the 60's and 70's. While the players in some cases aren't as mechanically excellent, the songs are always filled with emotion. There's definitely bands around right now that use metal aesthetics that don't put all their attention on technique. They are both bands that are heavily influenced by and heavily influence the drone sub-genre but the songs have unmistakeably metal aesthetics. | ||
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Finky27
Algeria45 Posts
I don't even watch MTV anymore Don't even get me started on Autotune and them annoying disco music IMO 90's had the best disco and 80's metal are classics I personally enjoy any music that is good no matter what genre. I had to admit hip hop/rap does have its few classics that are pleasing to listen to, just that majority sucked. Metal is probably my favorite. "Normal" people think I like metal because I'm a screwed up emo or some shit but truth is I just like the complexity of metal music, especially thrash metal -- balanced combination of speed and techinicality. Love for metal is bpobably sparked by my interest in electronic guitars and drums, when I'm listening metal I'm either air-guitaring or air-drumming haw haw haw. The harsh vocals are bonus Same with OP, I like slayer, metallica that kinda band. Remember KoRn was the band that introduced me to metal, good nu-metal band. | ||
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
I in particular love power and symphonic metal because that's just the music that goes with my personality and to be honest i despise certain genres like hip hop and reggaeton (for those that don't know it, it's the latino style urban music) because they represent things with which i don't feel identified at all, but that doesn't make it better or worse music, just different. | ||
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Dystisis
Norway713 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:01 PUPATREE wrote: The dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum. What the f..? Drums (and rhythm) have a big role in metal as well, in case you did not know. Many metal bands actually rely a lot on using complex rhythmical meters. Melodic and harmonic organization pales in comparison, in my opinion. In fact, that is one of the reasons why I generally don't care that much for rap. It is almost exclusively in standard 4/4, little syncopation, etc. I am sure someone could dig up an exception or two, I am speaking generalities here. | ||
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son1dow
Lithuania322 Posts
On December 11 2010 01:19 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: I think you're probably a boring person if all you listen to is metal variances. Man, metal has so many subgenre's it makes absolutely no sense to make such a statement. And it makes even less sense if you do it after you list metal bands and it's basically a list of "most famous metal bands". | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Same band. Same genre. | ||
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apm66
Canada943 Posts
On December 11 2010 01:52 son1dow wrote: Man, metal has so many subgenre's it makes absolutely no sense to make such a statement. And it makes even less sense if you do it after you list metal bands and it's basically a list of "most famous metal bands". and metal is more vast than anyone could have thought. mapofmetal.com | ||
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Katkishka
United States657 Posts
Bad music? Possibly. But every genre has its fans, and if it has fans it's certainly not bad. Everyone has different tastes, obviously. But just because you don't enjoy something doesn't mean it's bad. Obviously. As for hip hop and rap becoming mainstream, it's just a phase. It'll pass in 20 years tops I'm sure; not that it matters. People listen to what they like, you don't need to listen to it if you don't enjoy it. If you really hate it just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist.. or turn up the volume of your own music to feel superior. ^_^ | ||
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Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:35 Swede wrote: Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason I don't typically listen to metal is because good metal bands are few and far between. Most could be summed up in two words: double kick (from the eyes of a man who plays drums). Metal bands just never seem to be very creative. I guess that's what happens when you enter a genre that is centered largely around a certain image rather than actual musicianship (same goes for rap/hip-hop). Yea. + Show Spoiler + So boring. I'd add CoB but they've been letting me down ever since (including) Hate Crew. I do, however, recommend 'Die Apokalyptischen Reiter', Finntroll... and the ever so awesome Apocalyptica for some of the finest niche metal bands in the world. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7917 Posts
On December 10 2010 21:41 Panoptic wrote: Couldn't you say that all kinds of musical subcultures are ideologically suspect? I wouldn't find it far fetched to say that pretty much all bands/musicians can be labelled as somewhat individualistic or egotistical. Pop music with girls running around naked is ideologically suspect. Metal culture is just as, if not more aggressive than hip-hop. Even classical music culture could be labelled negatively as elitist and backwards if you want. I would agree with you for metal and pop music. They don't worth better than hip hop imo. Classical music is not elitist in itself. I have a chamber music festival running in one of the most rural region of France where basically nobody has access to culture and people love it. Classical music is too often elitist in the form it takes, but that is not intrinseque to the music; you could say the same about every art which is not marketed mass entertainement and recquires any kind of effort. Now Boulez or Ligeti are way less backward than Michael Jackson or Britney Spears in terms of music composition (Britney Spears doesn't bring anything at all, her music is 4/4 tonal crap subdominant-dominant-tonic with the simplest structure, while Boulez or Ligeti do). The only musics today which I find deserve respect are Jazz, Classical music in general, some Rock and local music which have not been perverted by commercial western crap. I find everything else being worthless entertainement. That's extreme, but that's also the way I am. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
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Tnerb
United States141 Posts
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Proto_Protoss
United States495 Posts
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
Fucking ALL of them. | ||
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Rawenkeke
Norway350 Posts
On December 10 2010 18:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: let me sum up the content of some I heard recently: 1) strained family relationships 2) the entrapment of life in the ghetto 3) egocentric behavior and its affect on relationships 4) love 5) the future of society (sci-fi themes) maybe you should open your mind and expand outside the mainstream garbage dump Kinda sad both of you forgot the most important part; Saying the N word everyother lyric... True but sad. | ||
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BcGladiator
United States58 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:00 LaLLsc2 wrote: I enjoy both... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hii17sjSwfA and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnsAWbhsL8Q A man after my own heart, two fucking awesome songs. I don't care about genre, all I care about is what I like and what sounds good to me. I listen to bands like RHCP, and Radiohead, older music like the Cars, Boston, Led Zeppelin (obviously), and popular music / rap like Kid Cudi and Eminem. Obviously I listen to a ton more bands in each of these genres, plus different genres altogether. Point being, I listen to everything that I like (it just so happens that I don't like artists like Lady Gaga haha) | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On December 11 2010 02:32 Rawenkeke wrote: Kinda sad both of you forgot the most important part; Saying the N word everyother lyric... True but sad. youre an idiot. theres already so many arguments and examples shown in the past 10 pages of this thread (which you chose to ignore) saying why rap/hip hop isn't as bad as shallow people like you think it is, so Ill just leave it at "youre an idiot" | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
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Guilford
Australia290 Posts
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stratman
Canada110 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On December 11 2010 02:32 Rawenkeke wrote: Kinda sad both of you forgot the most important part; Saying the N word everyother lyric... True but sad.  | ||
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Easy772
374 Posts
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
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alurlol
England197 Posts
The only bad music out there is the overly auto-tuned one-song "hit" garbage that is being constantly shitted out by the mainstream record companies, where have the likes of Interpol with TotBL gone? | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
Hiphop is perfect for my lyrical fetish =) to "ok let me sum up the content of all the hip hop/rap songs I have heard recently: 1) partying. 2) alcohol 3) sex 4) booty There are a few exceptions but that is pretty much it." Wow, you listen to awful rap then hahah, don't listen to the radio stuff by the way. | ||
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Sorkoas
549 Posts
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Raskit
579 Posts
On December 11 2010 01:49 Dystisis wrote: In fact, that is one of the reasons why I generally don't care that much for rap. It is almost exclusively in standard 4/4, little syncopation, etc. I am sure someone could dig up an exception or two, I am speaking generalities here. Assessing hip-hop music by its beats is clearly missing the point and purpose of the genre. The lyrics and voice are 95% of a hip-hop track. The voice is the beat. You may as well criticise the font used by a poet. Maybe go listen to the various instrumental genres derived from or that use a mix of hip-hop, if you want to be a fancy pants an assess track construction. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On December 11 2010 03:17 Raskit wrote: Assessing hip-hop music by its beats is clearly missing the point and purpose of the genre. The lyrics and voice are 95% of a hip-hop track. The voice is the beat. You may as well criticised the font used by a poet. Maybe go listen to the various instrumental genres derived from or that use a mix of hip-hop, if you want to be a fancy pants an assess track construction. "You may as well criticised the font used by a poet." This made me laugh hard, thank you. | ||
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son1dow
Lithuania322 Posts
On December 11 2010 01:55 Lexpar wrote: Sub genres? A slight variation of the prescribed metal sound doesn't create a new sub genre. Death Slam Core? Really? No that's just dumb. The Beatles wrote an absurdly wide variety of songs, but they're just rock. Rock is rock, metal is metal. Calling each band a different genre doesn't justify your taste. How much have you listened to metal, really? These "dumb" variations have very different instruments, very different tones and just sound flat out different, not to mention they're mixed with different genres at all; you sound like you're not qualified to judge that. | ||
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
regarding rap, i think the gangster rap days are dying out (thank God!), and now its all about the hyphy shit (ecstacy, party, etc), but I think that will die off as well | ||
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Raskit
579 Posts
On December 11 2010 03:18 PanN wrote: "You may as well criticised the font used by a poet." This made me laugh hard, thank you. Not sure, if laughing with or at >_> or my spelling mistake LOL. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On December 11 2010 03:23 Raskit wrote: Not sure, if laughing with or at >_> or my spelling mistake LOL. With man, im not gonna make fun of you for misspelling a word. <3 | ||
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SirMilford
Australia1269 Posts
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
"Music from Europe is better than music in the US" (Or vice versa) "Mainstream music is crap." "You just haven't listened to a good example of (insert genre). Go listen to (insert obscure artist who hardly represents the genre) "Old music is better than the crap they're releasing today." "Listeners of X are (insert stereotype here)" "This music takes more skill than that." (Ignoring the fact that the greatest songs are often the simplest) "I'm more qualified than most others to speak on the issue because I listen to both genres. (Proceed to name a handful of obscure artists from each genre that pop up on your Google search, but you never actually listen to.) Simply put, the reason hip hop is more popular than metal is because more people prefer to listen to it. More people can relate with the culture, artists and lyrics. It's not about diversity, skill or complexity. It's about being able to reach people in their comfort zone. | ||
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Raskit
579 Posts
On December 11 2010 03:24 PanN wrote: With man, im not gonna make fun of you for misspelling a word. <3 <3 LOL. I didn't see you posted about lyrics above. You know how some people get when you mix the word poet with hip-hop. Thought you were one of 'them'. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32083 Posts
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:54 [Fin]Vittu wrote: hellllllllllllll yeah! i find europe does metal a lot better. Just to name some bands which are timeless to me are bathory, black sabbath, priest, motorhead, witchfinder general and electric wizard. its just so hard to find something like that in america. No, it's not. Orodruin, Pentagram, Penance, Saint Vitus. I used to listen to a lot of metal. I went through that phase when a band had to be true to be cool. Nowadays, I find metal mostly generic, shallow and boring. Electronic music on the other hand! Or even mainstream pop sometimes! Moral of the story is not that metal is generic, shallow and boring. But that good music is good music, whether it's simple in some aspect or complex. And of course that some people, genuinely, have different taste than you. Believe it or not, they honestly find that Lil Wayne song better than that classic from Black Sabbath. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
hiphop is the worst genre, all the grinding and shit in clubs nowadays is just fucking sad, show some class | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:51 TheGrimace wrote: When did you perceive this shift? Even close to a decade ago Metal didn't have shit on Rap. Where is metal so big? I'm pretty sure it suffered a huge decline as the 90's closed. You also can't generalize rap/hip hop as "talking into a mic" with computer generated tones. The first issue there would be the computer isn't creating anything. Someone has an idea and makes it happen. Computers are a tool, like guitars. Skill may vary. I was a big fan of KoRn. I'm down with SOAD. I don't necessarily enjoy rap, but I do like hip hop. Goodie Mob, MF Doom, collaborations with Nujabes, Blue Sky Black Death, Cee Lo Green (we're blurring lines here with RnB etc, but you get the point). Listen to some of those groups and tell me there is no skill involved. Your perceptions are clouded by your preferences. I've suffered the same prejudice, but once you open your mind to music instead of genres, I think you'll find the world of music far more interesting. Edit: It's also worth pointing out that KoRn collaborated with rap artists, and the bass player Fieldy released his solo work, Fieldy's Dreams, which was a rap album. So even KoRn was influenced by rap, and enjoyed the genre. This guy has got the right idea and he was on the first page of this thread. The only thing that has shifted is people categorizing themselves into what kind of music they like. Once people learn to have confidence in themselves and realize it is okay to like different kinds of music, is when they really appreciate songs, doesn't matter the genre, for what they are. At the same token you can't relate a few songs of rap that you hear as all hip/hop songs because it is a much deeper genre. I love hip-hop and some artists like A Tribe called Quest, KMD, old-school Nas, and others like Deltron 3030, which is probably not what people associate as "rap" these days. With this said, I enjoy Electronica, classical rock, jazz, and just a good song in general. My favorite group is Depeche Mode, as I can hear them all day. I do like System of a Down (they came out when I was in high school from a city like 5 miles away from me), some KORN, some Incubus, and then I also like digging into some Led Zeppelin and Jefferson Airplane, among others. Music is music and there are great songs from all genres, most people put up a wall though, which I kind of feel sad for. | ||
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? To clarify things a bit, there's actually a difference between hiphop, rap, and even the current popular music you hear on the radio. One things for sure though - the current music is not "real" hip-hop. It does not embrace the culture or have anywhere near the same values as it had in the 80's-90's. With that out of the way, to answer ur question... the reason it's so popular is because the music that's popular now, is just that - straight up pop music. You can tell the obvious shift in the culture if you check out any hip-hop forums on the internet. It's retarded how popular Lil Wayne is (especailly to any real hip-hop fan who realizes he really isnt very good, and remembers where he came from in the background of songs goin "wobblewobble wop wobblewobble wop") and if you look at people talking about him, their defense is "hes the best because he sold millions of albums, and your favorite sucks because he didnt sell". There is no clearer message that shows this is POP music, pop culture, and not hip-hop or even rap. Hip-hop isnt about sales. Look at where hip-hop comes from. It was always less popular than other genres of music. You didnt hear them caring about sales in the 80's-90's. Furthermore, they lost the key element of hip-hop. The key element is the underlying message. Modern "hip-pop" lost this element. Lets run with the Lil Wayne example "I'm a sinus minus the nose im froze" - what the hell does that mean? "I be shittin on the streets like a toilet with out a seat" wtf?! As a true fan of hip-hop it feels disgusting see young kids say "Lil Wayne is the best rapper ever!". He's nowhere close. Who cares how many sales he gets? The kids dont realize, if sales really mattered, than Lil Wayne aint shit. If sales mean shit than TLC is the greatest hip-hop group ever - does anyone here actually think that's true? If sales mean shit, then The Beatles shit on Lil Wayne - 1.3 billion records sold bitches! Okay, my rant is done =) (PS - I understand why many people do not enjoy hip-hop, especailly what people are currently calling hip-hop. But I've proven time and time again with IRL friends, that the majority of people who really "Hate" it, just dont know the GOOD hip-hop. Recently I've had so many friends who claim they hate hip-hop become fans of many of Lupe Fiasco better songs. There IS a very small amount of modern music that is real hip-hop. I urge anyone who believes they hate hip-hop to give those few artists that embrace the culture a chance. That's the difference - theres rappers and there is artists. I'll list 2 songs that seem to be favorites of those outside the genre from Lupe since I mentioned him - Check "Streets on Fire" and "Kick, push" and actually listen to the words and contemplate the meaning. Pretty much everyone I know enjoys one or the other, even if they dont like hip-hop.) Heres some links to the mentioned songs - Streets on Fire, Kick, Push (Sorry, I've forgotten how to embed the vids) | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
The majority of music on the radio put out as "rap" is really just mostly aimed at the club scene or whatever would catch on with kids really quick. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
If you want to make a thread about metal, then imo dont open it with dissing another genre. Besides there was already a metal thread.. it didnt end very well. Also you sound incredibly narrow-minded and why give a shit what is mainstream atm anyways, we dont have to rely on radio and TV anymroe. | ||
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koOma
Norway462 Posts
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On December 11 2010 03:51 MassHysteria wrote: @Spyridon I completely agree man. What is put on the radio as "hip-hop/rap" these days is nowhere near what I consider the genre to be. Real hip-hop listeners who know the history, and artists that set the way know that this isn't what it once was. The majority of music on the radio put out as "rap" is really just mostly aimed at the club scene or whatever would catch on with kids really quick. Yeah, it's just disappointing that so many of them listen for the beat and not the lyrical content, or auto-tune. The essence was lost and money prevails. Sad thing is the real artists arent being supported as much as they should be, and the ones making money are the ones raping the culture - they dont deserve what they are getting. Wayne's getting props and popularity for glorifying his "syrup" - such a disgrace. Even the sometimes ignorant values of Gangsta Rap did not lose the essence of hip-hop, and while I can completely understand why many people do not enjoy gangsta rap, I would not go as far as to say it's not hip-hop. So for the current music to actually be so bad that it can be called a disgrace.... is just bad. BTW - added some links in my earlier post that I urge anyone who is NOT a fan of hip-hop to give a chance. | ||
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Owarida
United States333 Posts
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
On December 11 2010 03:43 Frits wrote: i only like house and metal hiphop is the worst genre, all the grinding and shit in clubs nowadays is just fucking sad, show some class Metal is class now? Dancing has always been about sex. | ||
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son1dow
Lithuania322 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:51 TheGrimace wrote: When did you perceive this shift? Even close to a decade ago Metal didn't have shit on Rap. Where is metal so big? I'm pretty sure it suffered a huge decline as the 90's closed. You also can't generalize rap/hip hop as "talking into a mic" with computer generated tones. The first issue there would be the computer isn't creating anything. Someone has an idea and makes it happen. Computers are a tool, like guitars. Skill may vary. I was a big fan of KoRn. I'm down with SOAD. I don't necessarily enjoy rap, but I do like hip hop. Goodie Mob, MF Doom, collaborations with Nujabes, Blue Sky Black Death, Cee Lo Green (we're blurring lines here with RnB etc, but you get the point). Listen to some of those groups and tell me there is no skill involved. Your perceptions are clouded by your preferences. I've suffered the same prejudice, but once you open your mind to music instead of genres, I think you'll find the world of music far more interesting. Edit: It's also worth pointing out that KoRn collaborated with rap artists, and the bass player Fieldy released his solo work, Fieldy's Dreams, which was a rap album. So even KoRn was influenced by rap, and enjoyed the genre. Yeah korn did enjoy the genre and were influenced by it, like many other Nu Metal artists. However, they used many, many tools that are basically prohibited if you go "pure rap\ hip hop", you don't see metal getting mixed into hip hop, you see hip hop getting mixed into metal and that's the only way it really can be. I can't see how people cannot grasp how much more varied metal is how much more potential it has, and go on how metal is a thinkgof the past, "just screaming" or whatever. I'm not saying that rap\hip hop is boring, useless or that it's flat out shit, people that listen to it genuinely like it obviously and it is just way more orientated towards entertainment, what I'm saying here is that it's less complex and greatly less varied. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On December 11 2010 04:10 son1dow wrote: Yeah korn did enjoy the genre and were influenced by it, like many other Nu Metal artists. However, they used many, many tools that are basically prohibited if you go "pure rap\ hip hop", you don't see metal getting mixed into hip hop, you see hip hop getting mixed into metal and that's the only way it really can be. I can't see how people cannot grasp how much more varied metal is how much more potential it has, and go on how metal is a thinkgof the past, "just screaming" or whatever. I'm not saying that rap\hip hop is boring, useless or that it's flat out shit, people that listen to it genuinely like it obviously and it is just way more orientated towards entertainment, what I'm saying here is that it's less complex and greatly less varied. Hiphop can mix in basically every single genre in the world with the use of samples etc. Saying you dont see metal getting mixed into hip hop just shows your lack of knowledge. Maybe you dont see it, but people who dont only listen to the radio do. Btw. I listen to all sorts of heavy music, metal included, and I'm not exactly a hiphop fan I only listen to very few rap artists but I never just push aside a whole genre because of ignorance. Everyone love one another HipHop + Max Cavalera = Win. damn now I'm actually contributing to this thread.T_T | ||
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GiftPflanZe
Germany623 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
On December 11 2010 04:07 Enervate wrote: Metal is class now? Dancing has always been about sex. i dont associate with metalheads and i disagree, dancing is definately not about sex, its about having fun and going crazy, its just that you often meet people that you can take home and bang, which is just a plus | ||
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Filo
United States54 Posts
And people need to not crap all over other peoples tastes, to each his own. | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On December 11 2010 04:10 son1dow wrote: you don't see metal getting mixed into hip hop, you see hip hop getting mixed into metal and that's the only way it really can be. ?? Granted its not really rock but hip hop samples all sorts of stuff. | ||
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MasterFischer
Denmark836 Posts
People are still into rock and other stuff | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
Dumb, boring, all the same, people just being loud, noise, ect. All of those people....I wonder if you understand that a great deal of metal is a kind of "just because I can, and you probably can't" kind of thing. As in, they are dinosaurs, and you are just people that can't speak the language. Actually being able to make the sounds of brutality through (for me, inhaling) the power of the human voice is just beautiful. When a human makes these sounds, I dunno it just hits me right where I want it. So with that, I give you a true look into what these "metal heads" are and what they really want. Watch till the end, I promise you will at LEAST chuckle. Plus keep an eye on the dude in the back, he can keep going for days and days. All in all, we just want to be dinosaurs. | ||
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SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
I listen to as much as I can of every genre. My roommates normally give me a questionable look when I jump from Brahms to The Exploited to Kid Cudi to Miles Davis. Listen to what feels good, don't think about genres, don't think about what kind of people generally listen to this type of music. Just...listen. Favorite Bands of mine include : Yes, Between the Buried and Me, Fleet Foxes, and A Wilhelm Scream Keep your mind open, and if you can, read Victor Wooten's book, The Music Lesson | ||
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son1dow
Lithuania322 Posts
). The rap mixed into metal is about as real all of the other rap, you can't really mix in "funny" hip hop into metal either ofc other than perhaps into some funky rock but the variation is still there on the rock\metal side if you decide to go 50/50, which is why Nu metal, in the end, is metal.Oh and believe me, I'm not ignoring any genre just because of ignorance. I'm ignoring them just because metal feels like a drug to me and nothing else can get even close. I assume some people get that from classical music \ anything else complex, but for what it's worth I haven't been able to for the little time that I have tried that. | ||
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DMBJonesy
United States42 Posts
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BROotogy
Eritrea149 Posts
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Skee
Canada702 Posts
I would much rather listen to Dimmu Borgir, Lamb of God, Satyricon, Slipknot, Korn, Trivium, etc than Nickelback? Eminem? 50cent? I don't see how bands/rappers like those are popular or even considered talented, but thats just my opinion. | ||
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zyglrox
United States1168 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:47 Ludrik wrote: I'm not a big fan of American metal. European metal is much better. Rap can be good too. It depends on the artist. Most "popular" rap is complete s*** though. That's me stating an opinion without actually stating an opinion. yea, most American metal bands are fucking terrible. i'm a metal fan at heart and first, but i enjoy a tiny bit of rap. please don't mistake club music with rap, as with metal there is about as much variety in degrees of terribleness as there is sub genres in metal. | ||
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zyglrox
United States1168 Posts
On December 11 2010 06:21 Skee wrote: I am 16 and have always loved metal and hated rap/hiphop. Me and my friends hate the new mainstream music. I would much rather listen to Dimmu Borgir, Lamb of God, Satyricon, Slipknot, Korn, Trivium, etc than Nickelback? Eminem? 50cent? I don't see how bands/rappers like those are popular or even considered talented, but thats just my opinion. and pretty much all of those bands except dimmu are on equal par with nickelback and 50cent. i hope you don't wear affliction shirts. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On December 11 2010 06:21 Skee wrote: I am 16 and have always loved metal and hated rap/hiphop. Me and my friends hate the new mainstream music. I would much rather listen to Dimmu Borgir, Lamb of God, Satyricon, Slipknot, Korn, Trivium, etc than Nickelback? Eminem? 50cent? I don't see how bands/rappers like those are popular or even considered talented, but thats just my opinion. If you can't see talent in Eminem, then you're woefully blind to it. You can dislike music and artists while still acknowledging the skill and effort that goes into what they do. | ||
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BasedSwag
Algeria418 Posts
On December 11 2010 06:21 Skee wrote: I am 16 and have always loved metal and hated rap/hiphop. Me and my friends hate the new mainstream music. I would much rather listen to Dimmu Borgir, Lamb of God, Satyricon, Slipknot, Korn, Trivium, etc than Nickelback? Eminem? 50cent? I don't see how bands/rappers like those are popular or even considered talented, but thats just my opinion. A lot of people, such as myself, would consider every artist you listed to be at the same level of 'talent'. | ||
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
Rap is my favorite genre of music to just listen to and having listened to a lot of diff groups and ppl ranging from the 80s to the present (thx youtube ), a lot of mainstream rap has the same AABB rhymes that really old rap used to have. Beats were simple. Simple samples and simple rhymes transformed into punchlines with no message and beats full of the same synths and fake 808 drums. The best hip hop that i could chill to aren't as popular as they would have been in the 90s. I except hip hop to make a comeback in maybe 3+ years. Probably by the time the likes of Soulja Boy, Waka Flocka Flame, Roscoe Dash, OJ da Juiceman, and all those other garbage rappers' contracts end. A lot of the rap you hear these days isnt hip hop but more like rap pop. For every 10 rappers, one can flow and the other nine just spit punchlines. No message. Also, after recently buying Kanye's newest album, i don't know why rappers even release their tracks if the production is garbage. Even if you aren't a hip hop enthusiast, i suggest listening to Kanye's album. It has some of the best production i've ever heard in any album, period. | ||
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Jimmycliff
United States86 Posts
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Broodie
Canada832 Posts
from the age of 4 to 8 it was hip hop/pop age 8 to 10 rap age 10 to 14 mainstream rock/rap/hiphop/electronica/dubstep etc.(a lot of electronic music inc. breakbeat/techno) age 14 to 16 everything before with inclusionese of salsa/indie/alternative rock/metal/screamo/japanese/orchestra age 16 to current (22) all metal I enjoyed everything and will still listen to everything with a more open mind than some. while I listen to mathy metal every day Im still forced to listen to rp from my coworkers and I always hear the newer rap/hiphop artists. I will say that I love metal so much because of its technicallity, in an infinite scenario you will probably hear the same thing twice maybe 2/100 songs if you had a random playlist of all metal. for rap however; beats are often recycled and tones are overused, bass and vocals seem to be the only things that are somewhat consistantly fresh in the genre. for me personally I also love the aspect of character when listening to metal, its a lot more prevalent in metal than in rap/hiphop to be in audience of an evolving story or character(s) throughout an album. there are some exceptions but rapping aboot turning girls on or having money seems to be a substancially unsatisfying concept to hear day to day, if you wanna be serious aboot music, please gtfo of the mainstream and listen to underground artists from everywhere around the world, there and only there will you find genuine originallity in rap/hiphop. thats where metal comes in. metal is generally an underground focus and tends to present more than hiphop/rap in a lot of scenarios lyrical content musical technicallity portrayal of emotion through instruments and vocals (often switching multiple times in one song) originallity and the list goes on! I guess what im trying to say is both can be equally as good, but its all based on preference and lifestyle. I am also saying: if you only listen to rap/hiphop that is fed to you from the media than you should not participate in this thread (please) its unfair to the people in the underground loop for all genres. back to the thread though I love blasting metal and getting those messed up looks from people, I practically dance in the streets to it! once you open someones mind to every aspect of metal, its hard to even want to go back and listen to rap | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
Incidentally, I have no idea what's with people trying to make things sound worse by going into detail when describing them. It's like someone dislikes soccer, so they'll be all "Soccer's retarded! All it is is people running on a field and trying to kick a ball between two posts!" Yeah, we know what stuff is. If you put it like that, all metal is is people touching strings on a piece of wood and hitting some drums while screaming into a mic. Some songs: | ||
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oN_Silva
197 Posts
I respect their (mostly eminem's) skill in rapping, because his wordflow, creativity and lyrcs are really good. Most rappers are either on a akward lyrically niveau (level) or it just don't sound good. So in the end I adore E-guitar solo's and those you find mostly in metal. Overall the metal has the most awesome guitar parts of all music. For this reason my favorite stlye is "melodic death metal". It has awesome melodies and awesome solos and if you are a bit used to you'll like the voices as well. My dream: Eminem & In Flames make a concert together ;D | ||
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trevabob
United Kingdom350 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. #1 You ever tried rapping son? #2 Your whole assertion is flawed | ||
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UrASofty
Canada772 Posts
I also find it annoying when people say "real hip-hop" was in the early 90's when artists like 2pac biggie, nas existed. Can you even define what "real hip hop" is? Everyone that says this, sounds extremely pretentious when you probably don't even listen to hip hop on a regular basis. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
I just don't get metal. I recognize the talent.....but it's just not pleasing to listen to, imo. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
Electronica all the way...? | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
I listen to a lot of metal and some hip hop and rap. I know plenty of people who listen to both. Again, don't compare the two like that. They aren't mutually exclusive, and what someone listens to is completely up to them. Everyone gets something different out of music, after all. | ||
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LeSioN
United States325 Posts
) i actually dont prefeer hiphop or rap i prefer "indie" music but you can not deny the amazing talent in the rap pool right now. oh and metal fans will hate me but mastodon is the most interesting "listen able" metal ive listened to in years. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Now the same can be said about metal. Most metal is awful, but good metal can be melodious and good. I don't think rap or hiphop can be melodious - not to my ear at least. I suppose that's an opinion but I feel like I'm largely right at least. Regardless, what the hell happened to classical music? Everything's getting drowned by Kesha, Justin Bieber and Rihanna pop garbage that does nothing good but show what's most likely a decline in the general awesomeness of the human race. Most of the good music out there is the old stuff. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 11 2010 07:49 LeSioN wrote: if your musical tastes are broad enough to enjoy metal theres no reason why something much less abrassive and melodic can be entertaining. where do people get this idea that metal is necessarily abrasive and lacking in melody | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:02 Mindcrime wrote: where do people get this idea that metal is necessarily abrasive and lacking in melody From the place were they got the idea that rap is necessarily juvenile and only talks about money and hoes. | ||
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Tralan
United Kingdom24 Posts
Listening to a Kanye West song the production is just incredible, it is like he has super human powers when he sits down and creates his music. Great production and lyrics make something much better than any metal music out there. Kid Cudi, Kanye West, and Niki Minaj to name a few are all doing something interesting that is actually pushing their genre whilst also creating music that is easy to enjoy. In regards to the post above, you write about what you know, and what the artists know is poverty when they are up and comming artists and riches and pimped cars when they have made it. The only thing that remains constant is drugs and hopefully social commentary if they are a good artist with some integrity. I dont see how this is a bad message since it is what they know it is just the only message they have, and by trash of society you mean poor and black I assume. True some artists like 50 cent take it to mysoginistic and maybe hedonistic extremes but 50 cent is a bad artist anyway. I am white and middle class but one of my favourite artists growing up was Dizzee Rascal, he was poor and black and writing about life on a council estate but I could still identify with his anger as a teenager. Rap and hip hop is relevant whilst also being cool and also has some great artists that are actually making interesting music and in my opinion that is why it is a more succesful genre than metal. | ||
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MahatmaSC2
United States192 Posts
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TrainFX
United States469 Posts
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:12 Tralan wrote: Maybe it is because there isnt enough pressure on the artists anymore but the best hip hope and rap artists are just much better than the best in metal which just seems to be an old genre which hasnt really had any evolution since the 90's. How can you say that? All rap and hip hop music is a pure joke to make compared to metal. If you say that metal hasn't evolved since the 90's, then you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Electronic sounds with computer modified voices isn't hard to do, it's the effect it gives as a result where the people likes it (the beat) because they don't know what real musical talent is and that's just what their simple mind like, I'm ok with but there's no reason for them to talk negatively about metal. In metal, everything take skills, from the harsh vocals, to the cleans, then to the guitar, bass and drums. There's also a lot of additions from different bands. For example the keyboard, also the folk metal bands which add a lot of folklore influences to their music. If that's not evolution, then I don't know what it is. And recently, a lot of metal bands have instrumentals, with acoustic guitars, flutes, etc... They are trying to show their musical talent in playing but also composing, which is really important if you want to have something unique. Obviously, that's my opinion but no one can deny that metal music take an enormous amount of skills compared to rap, it's not even close. If you don't agree, then you have to listen to more metal that is not mainstream. | ||
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TrainFX
United States469 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:31 Essbee wrote: How can you say that? All rap and hip hop music is a pure joke to make compared to metal. If you say that metal hasn't evolved since the 90's, then you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Electronic sounds with computer modified voices isn't hard to do, it's the effect it gives as a result where the people likes it (the beat) because they don't know what real musical talent is and that's just what their simple mind like, I'm ok with but there's no reason for them to talk negatively about metal. In metal, everything take skills, from the harsh vocals, to the cleans, then to the guitar, bass and drums. There's also a lot of additions from different bands. For example the keyboard, also the folk metal bands which add a lot of folklore influences to their music. If that's not evolution, then I don't know what it is. And recently, a lot of metal bands have instrumentals, with acoustic guitars, flutes, etc... They are trying to show their musical talent in playing but also composing, which is really important if you want to have something unique. Obviously, that's my opinion but no one can deny that metal music take an enormous amount of skills compared to rap, it's not even close. If you don't agree, then you have to listen to more metal that is not mainstream. Why are you bashing someones uninformed opinions with your own uninformed opinions? that just seems a bit hypocritical and not to mention rude. I personally hate metal and would only listen to it for mass amounts of money but you don't see me trying to jam my opinions down someones throat. | ||
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EdSlyB
Portugal1621 Posts
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:36 EdSlyB wrote: Where is the love for Cuban music? Or for the Blues? Or for dozens of other genres? There's much much more in the world to love! Embrace Music!! NO There are two kinds of people in this world: metal fans and rap fans you have to pick one or the other | ||
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TrainFX
United States469 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: NO There are two kinds of people in this world: metal fans and rap fans you have to pick one or the other But what about Justin Beieber? | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:31 Essbee wrote: How can you say that? All rap and hip hop music is a pure joke to make compared to metal. If you say that metal hasn't evolved since the 90's, then you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Electronic sounds with computer modified voices isn't hard to do, it's the effect it gives as a result where the people likes it (the beat) because they don't know what real musical talent is and that's just what their simple mind like, I'm ok with but there's no reason for them to talk negatively about metal. In metal, everything take skills, from the harsh vocals, to the cleans, then to the guitar, bass and drums. There's also a lot of additions from different bands. For example the keyboard, also the folk metal bands which add a lot of folklore influences to their music. If that's not evolution, then I don't know what it is. And recently, a lot of metal bands have instrumentals, with acoustic guitars, flutes, etc... They are trying to show their musical talent in playing but also composing, which is really important if you want to have something unique. Obviously, that's my opinion but no one can deny that metal music take an enormous amount of skills compared to rap, it's not even close. If you don't agree, then you have to listen to more metal that is not mainstream. Both of you should stop. | ||
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Dark-Storm
Canada334 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
i don't understand why anyone would even care | ||
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`Zapdos
United States935 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:42 `Zapdos wrote: It's the same reason more people like like halo then brood war. You have to be smart to understand it. That's simply the best answer. lol no you don't have to be smart to understand metal or technical music | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: musicians sort of their own musical-penis, more likely a guy who knows a few technical words and must feel power over his fellow man. Personally i don't get the sentiment that it's just now popular i grew up in area's that it was popular in the 80's 90's and now so i don't see much of a change. But i always did notice the change in music driving in different area's on the US.why would you even argue about what sort of music is the most difficult to play or takes the most "skill" to produce i don't understand why anyone would even care | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:42 `Zapdos wrote: It's the same reason more people like like halo then brood war. You have to be smart to understand it. That's simply the best answer. -_- I think you overestimate the amount of intelligence required to understand Brood War. | ||
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Cocacooh
Norway1510 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:42 `Zapdos wrote: It's the same reason more people like like halo then brood war. You have to be smart to understand it. That's simply the best answer. Your heard it here first! Intellect determines taste. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:45 semantics wrote: musicians sort of their own musical-penis, more likely a guy who knows a few technical words and must feel power over his fellow man. Personally i don't get the sentiment that it's just now popular i grew up in area's that it was popular in the 80's 90's and now so i don't see much of a change. But i always did notice the change in music driving in different area's on the US. i was like that when i was 15 and just barely learning guitar and i listened to a lot of stuff like dream theater and shred music and after a few months I realized it was just boring wankery and simple music like folk is much more gratifying | ||
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`Zapdos
United States935 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol no you don't have to be smart to understand metal or technical music True, but I guess what I really meant was that most smart people won't listen to rap/hip hop because it's shallow. But definately stupid people listen to metal. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:49 `Zapdos wrote: True, but I guess what I really meant was that most smart people won't listen to rap/hip hop because it's shallow. But definately stupid people listen to metal. If you think rap and hip-hop is shallow then that tells me you don't actually listen to any hip-hop that isn't on the radio or in television or that you didn't have the capacity to understand which hip-hop it is that you have heard. If I based my entire opinion of "punk rock" based on bands like Fall Out Boy I think I'd be crucified by the punk community. It's similarly stupid to base your opinion of hip-hop on the music of talentless clowns like Lil Wayne, Gucci Mane, and Chamillionaire. | ||
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`Zapdos
United States935 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If you think rap and hip-hop is shallow then that tells me you don't actually listen to any hip-hop that isn't on the radio or in television or that you didn't have the capacity to understand which hip-hop it is that you have heard. If I based my entire opinion of "punk rock" based on bands like Fall Out Boy I think I'd be crucified by the punk community. It's similarly stupid to base your opinion of hip-hop on the music of talentless clowns like Lil Wayne, Gucci Mane, and Chamillionaire. I do listen to rap actually, but it's very hard to find people with deep lyrical content like sage francis, and even when some songs have content from certain artists, majority of time the rest of their songs don't. And punk rock is for teh lolz. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:53 `Zapdos wrote: I do listen to rap actually, but it's very hard to find people with deep lyrical content like sage francis, and even when some songs have content from certain artists, majority of time the rest of their songs don't. And punk rock is for teh lolz. I think there is a misconception that hip-hop is "shallow" because it is direct. Rappers don't usually bother bringing up their point through contrived religious metaphors and mythological allegories but to express their emotions and experiences directly to the listener. I wouldn't call it "shallow". | ||
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BigBadSkathe
United States234 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If you think rap and hip-hop is shallow then that tells me you don't actually listen to any hip-hop that isn't on the radio or in television or that you didn't have the capacity to understand which hip-hop it is that you have heard. If I based my entire opinion of "punk rock" based on bands like Fall Out Boy I think I'd be crucified by the punk community. It's similarly stupid to base your opinion of hip-hop on the music of talentless clowns like Lil Wayne, Gucci Mane, and Chamillionaire. Uhhhh weazy is actually sick when he's not playing guitar. Gucci is a joke but ofc everyone knows that. I like all music. Seems to me that people who pick one genre of music and decide everything else sucks need to take a good hard look at why they are like that. Just because you like one thing over another doesn't mean something can't change your mind. I think most people sub-consciously feel that if they change their minds, they're admitting they were wrong about something in the first place when in reality you just had an opinion that's changing. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think there is a misconception that hip-hop is "shallow" because it is direct. Rappers don't usually bother bringing up their point through contrived religious metaphors and mythological allegories but to express their emotions and experiences directly to the listener. I wouldn't call it "shallow". Yeah! and from the 8 ball, my breath starts stinkin left to get ma girl to rock that body before i left, i hit the bac-ardi went to her house to get her out of the pad dumb hoe said somethin that made me mad she said somethin that i couldnt believe so i grabbed the stupid bitch by her nappy-ass weave she started talkin shit, wouldnt you know reached back like a pimp, slapped the hoe her father jumped up and he started to shout so i threw a right cross and knocked his old-ass out Ok nvm. Ps: I'm (sort of) kidding. | ||
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UrASofty
Canada772 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:34 MahatmaSC2 wrote: I can appreciate other music such as jazz, classical, even big band! For the life of me though, I can't seem to appreciate rap. None of it seems to take talent to me, although I know it does. Sort of. It just seems like the average guy can come up with a rap song, but it takes actual thought and innovation to come up with a good song in any other genre. It might not seem like it's that hard to rap, I mean, it's just saying words right? It's not even singing but if you try to spit a rap at karaoke or just by yourself you'll see that it's very hard to do. Every person has their own certain style and way of going about it, some smooth, some fast and so to just say anyone can rap is wrong. Just try to do any Eminem song and you'll see that you can't match exactly the way he's delivering it. The example that always comes to mind for me is Lose Yourself. Tablo tried to do a cover of it on live TV and it just didn't have all the emotions and feelings that Eminem was able to put behind it and so it wasn't as good. Writing rap/hip hop really is very close to crafting a poem | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:53 `Zapdos wrote: I do listen to rap actually, but it's very hard to find people with deep lyrical content like sage francis Cage Binary Star Blue Scholars Aesop Rock Cannibal Ox Cunninlynguists Company Flow Danny! Dessa El-P Eyedea & Abilities Felt Genelec and Memphis Reign Mac Lethal Louis Logic MF DOOM P.O.S. Psalm One Sole I like all of them more than Sage. Thats a few by the way. I'd say P.O.S. is not only a far better lyricist than Sage Francis, I'd say hes better overall. | ||
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Airbag
Japan77 Posts
On December 11 2010 09:00 UrASofty wrote: The fact you think sage francis is good is hilarious. you probably think immortal technique is amazing immortal technique is the shittiest rapper on the planet i die inside every time a white kid discovers him and thinks he is the best ever | ||
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Neivler
Norway911 Posts
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B.I.G.
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Hittegods
Stockholm4641 Posts
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Airbag
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instantnoodles
United States190 Posts
i think the reason why mainstream hip hop is so popular is because of clubs and dancing. when youre at a club drunk, you dont care about lyrics, you just wanna feel the bass and dance to something catchy | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On December 11 2010 09:12 instantnoodles wrote: I love hip hop/rap but not the mainstream stuff that plays on the radio. I like more chill, meaningful rap like blue scholars. i think the reason why mainstream hip hop is so popular is because of clubs and dancing. when youre at a club drunk, you dont care about lyrics, you just wanna feel the bass and dance to something catchy I think there's a time and place for both and I think both can be enjoyable. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
It's funny when people talk about mainstream music being shallow. Some of my favorite artists are mainstream and their words are often more sincere and emotionally relevant than a lot of what some people around here might consider good... | ||
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0mgVitaminE
United States1278 Posts
On December 11 2010 09:16 hifriend wrote: Personally I don't give a fuck whether a musician has "skill" or not as long as it sounds good. Personally I | ||
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Teddyjex
Canada35 Posts
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Raskit
579 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
As for metal, I heard the same debate for saying metal has no skill. It is just screaming and a formulaic guitar solo. IT IS ALL OPINIONS! | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On December 11 2010 09:50 Teddyjex wrote: I think what I like about metal is the raging musicianship some bands have. Their technical ability is mind blowing (and sounds amazing when it isnt just a wall of noise). But I like the cleverness of a lot of rap, the metaphors are prettttty good. I dont know why metal's popularity declined so heavily though. Just because it's awesome I'm throwing this in there.. | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
When it comes to metal, I like hearing complex meters, rhythms, melodies and musicianship. Dream Theater and Mastodon are my metal bands. All-in-all, I listen to metal for the reasons that I listen to classical music. Thus, I don't listen to a majority of metal. I only listen to the ones that experiment and have the musical talent to do so. As for hip-hop, I listen to people like Nujabes, NaS, or Talib Kweli. Chill beats and they can address pressing issues just like Eminem without sounding like enraged chimpanzees. | ||
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0mgVitaminE
United States1278 Posts
On December 11 2010 10:10 LunarC wrote: Eminem always sounds so fucking angry, regardless of what he's talking about. He complains a shit-ton about everything. I liked it better when he did some funny stuff like Just Lose It. When it comes to metal, I like hearing complex meters, rhythms, melodies and musicianship. Dream Theater and Mastodon are my metal bands. All-in-all, I listen to metal for the reasons that I listen to classical music. Thus, I don't listen to a majority of metal. I only listen to the ones that experiment and have the musical talent to do so. As for hip-hop, I listen to people like Nujabes, NaS, or Talib Kweli. Chill beats and they can address pressing issues just like Eminem without sounding like enraged chimpanzees. I agree, I used to listen to eminem a lot more until I kinda got bored of his sound. It's a lot easier to listen to people like Binary Star, Gang Starr, Fashawn, and Nas cause they all flow so well. | ||
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RaYhN
United States437 Posts
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Siffer
United States467 Posts
Most radio rap sucks tho. Baller track | ||
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Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
Yea. + Show Spoiler + http://www.onlinedrummer.com/drummer.php?BeatId=485 So boring. I'd add CoB but they've been letting me down ever since (including) Hate Crew. I do, however, recommend 'Die Apokalyptischen Reiter', Finntroll... and the ever so awesome Apocalyptica for some of the finest niche metal bands in the world. Oh God Apocalyptica is badass. There are a few metal bands I appreciate, but like I said they are difficult to find in amongst the sea of mediocre bands. Personally my taste has moved on to jazz and folk. That way I have both ends of the spectrum covered - complexity and simplicity. Really though, why is this thread still going? The last 2 pages are essentially the same as the first 2. I guess I can't talk though. This post is just another contribution. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
The thread title reminds me of the following scene from the movie American History X (NSFW). + Show Spoiler + | ||
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squintz
Canada217 Posts
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MasterFischer
Denmark836 Posts
On December 11 2010 09:53 Shiragaku wrote: lol Music fanboyism. I love metal and could care less for rap but I understand the appeal. To say that rappers have no skill is complete bullshit. If they did not have skill, that means I can rap very easily which I cannot. As for metal, I heard the same debate for saying metal has no skill. It is just screaming and a formulaic guitar solo. IT IS ALL OPINIONS! You could care less for rap? Really? So you're into some of it yea?... oh did you mean. you COULND'T care less? I'm confused my friend. | ||
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MasterFischer
Denmark836 Posts
THIS IS THE SHIT :D | ||
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eLiE
Canada1039 Posts
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MasterFischer
Denmark836 Posts
Check this shit out... THIS IS FUCKING MUSIC :D | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On December 11 2010 08:31 Essbee wrote: How can you say that? All rap and hip hop music is a pure joke to make compared to metal. If you say that metal hasn't evolved since the 90's, then you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Electronic sounds with computer modified voices isn't hard to do, it's the effect it gives as a result where the people likes it (the beat) because they don't know what real musical talent is and that's just what their simple mind like, I'm ok with but there's no reason for them to talk negatively about metal. In metal, everything take skills, from the harsh vocals, to the cleans, then to the guitar, bass and drums. There's also a lot of additions from different bands. For example the keyboard, also the folk metal bands which add a lot of folklore influences to their music. If that's not evolution, then I don't know what it is. And recently, a lot of metal bands have instrumentals, with acoustic guitars, flutes, etc... They are trying to show their musical talent in playing but also composing, which is really important if you want to have something unique. Obviously, that's my opinion but no one can deny that metal music take an enormous amount of skills compared to rap, it's not even close. If you don't agree, then you have to listen to more metal that is not mainstream. Touching some strings while hitting drums and pressing keys isn't hard to do. Seriously, what is wrong with you? You literally say how easy rap is to make and that only idiots like it, and then proceed to say that there's no reason for them to talk negatively about metal. Yeah, it's obviously your opinion, and it's just as obvious that you're incredibly ignorant and that nobody is ever going to take you seriously on this subject. | ||
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MasterFischer
Denmark836 Posts
Check this shit out... THIS IS FUCKING MUSIC :D | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
Long story short I listen to every genre now and believe that every genre has it's merits, it's pretty win, I no longer confine myself to a few genres and can really accentuate my mood now. | ||
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Igakusei
United States610 Posts
I have NO idea why people like Rap/Hip-Hop. It seriously just makes me angry. It sets me on edge, and I mostly find the lyrics so shallow and stupid that I would go so far as describing them intellectually offensive. What's the big attraction? Can someone who "gets it" explain it to me? It just bothers the shit out of me. Edit: I'm not a huge fan of metal either, but I do like some of the stuff that at least has a recognizable melody. I listened to a lot of Metallica in high school. Some of their music fits this category. | ||
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keeblur
United States826 Posts
On December 11 2010 10:30 eLiE wrote: I think Jon Lajoie explains the success of pop songs fairly well in this video :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijr4rwb2WbE So true. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On December 11 2010 10:39 Igakusei wrote: I don't know if anyone will even read this 17 pages in, but I'll throw my mostly meaningless opinion out there anyway: I have NO idea why people like Rap/Hip-Hop. It seriously just makes me angry. It sets me on edge, and I mostly find the lyrics so shallow and stupid that I would go so far as describing them intellectually offensive. What's the big attraction? Can someone who "gets it" explain it to me? It just bothers the shit out of me. Saying that the lyrics are shallow and stupid is literally like saying that you hate books because they're dumb. Rap is a very diverse genre; there are many songs with deeper lyrics. Yeah, a lot of mainstream stuff is stupid, as is the case in every genre. Hating pretty much any genre is just ridiculous; there's always going to be stuff out there that you'll like. | ||
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Zeller
United States1109 Posts
On December 11 2010 10:39 Igakusei wrote: I don't know if anyone will even read this 17 pages in, but I'll throw my mostly meaningless opinion out there anyway: I have NO idea why people like Rap/Hip-Hop. It seriously just makes me angry. It sets me on edge, and I mostly find the lyrics so shallow and stupid that I would go so far as describing them intellectually offensive. What's the big attraction? Can someone who "gets it" explain it to me? It just bothers the shit out of me. Edit: I'm not a huge fan of metal either, but I do like some of the stuff that at least has a recognizable melody. I listened to a lot of Metallica in high school. Some of their music fits this category. That's kind of like saying nickelback is so shallow and the lyrics suck, i just dont get why people like rock music. Gotta look deeper bro | ||
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Raskit
579 Posts
On December 11 2010 10:39 Igakusei wrote: I don't know if anyone will even read this 17 pages in, but I'll throw my mostly meaningless opinion out there anyway: I have NO idea why people like Rap/Hip-Hop. It seriously just makes me angry. It sets me on edge, and I mostly find the lyrics so shallow and stupid that I would go so far as describing them intellectually offensive. What's the big attraction? Can someone who "gets it" explain it to me? It just bothers the shit out of me. Edit: I'm not a huge fan of metal either, but I do like some of the stuff that at least has a recognizable melody. I listened to a lot of Metallica in high school. Some of their music fits this category. There are a ton of tracks throughout the topic to listen to. Your opinion is as shallow as the lyrics you appear to the believe the whole genre is comprised of. | ||
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agarangu
Chile274 Posts
Here in Chile flaites (chilean gangstas) listen to reggaeton. Also, flaites are EVERYWHERE. And they listen to reggaeton withOUT earphones. So basically, you have to listen to that annoying music or use a music player of some kind, which they STEAL from you using knives and/or guns when they see your earphones. I hate the freaking sound of reggaeton (TUUUM-taTUM-ta TUUUM-taTUM-ta TUUUM-taTUM-ta TUUUM-taTUM-ta TUUUM-taTUM-ta TUUUM-taTUM-ta TUUUM-taTUM-ta...) as it is the same in every single song. So I understand how you feel. IMO Metal is the new classic music (in terms of the ability required to play it and the diversity and quality of the songs). But that's just me! xD | ||
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
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VabuDeltaKaiser
Germany1107 Posts
On December 11 2010 10:50 Raskit wrote: There are a ton of tracks throughout the topic to listen to. Your opinion is as shallow as the lyrics you appear to the believe the whole genre is comprised of. most of this thread is about people saying no, we like much more music than you think op, so un misspoken, people listen to a shitload of different music. how amazing is that ? whe should be happy we have different taste and apply to it as we are individual, just feel for the music we like and try to get from that as much we feel about it. also how others introduce new things to people who might LOVE it. isnt that a great idea ? | ||
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Igakusei
United States610 Posts
On December 11 2010 10:44 GolemMadness wrote: Saying that the lyrics are shallow and stupid is literally like saying that you hate books because they're dumb. Rap is a very diverse genre; there are many songs with deeper lyrics. Yeah, a lot of mainstream stuff is stupid, as is the case in every genre. Hating pretty much any genre is just ridiculous; there's always going to be stuff out there that you'll like. Perhaps I should clarify that what annoys me most about the Rap/Hip-Hop I have heard is the sound of the music itself. I generally don't even listen to music lyrics, so I'll freely agree that the lyrics I HAVE listened to or read were a mere drop in the pond. I'll see if I can find a few songs that I do like the sound of, and I'll post them here to see what you think. | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
Good metal, imo, is varied and musically/technically complex and really awesome to listen to. I think hip-hop is more popular because of its popular image of being club music, thus perpetuating the party scene which is more popularly enjoyed than metal concerts and the like. | ||
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
Then I saw the OP's post. Your type of music is just as bullshit as hip-hop, if not more. Old metal is the only bit of metal worth listening to (Black Sabbath, The Misfits, Judas Priest, etc.). The rest of it is bitchy, mostly uncreative, has little/unoriginal points, and is less skillful and creative in terms of actual instrumental and lyrical quality.... In my opinion. (cwutididthar?) | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 11 2010 11:07 TALegion wrote: I thought this would be an intelligent, argumentative, and possibly intelligent discussion of music, it's many forms, it's creation and production, it's audiences, and society and taste in general... Then I saw the OP's post. Your type of music is just as bullshit as hip-hop, if not more. Old metal is the only bit of metal worth listening to (Black Sabbath, The Misfits, Judas Priest, etc.). The rest of it is bitchy, mostly uncreative, has little/unoriginal points, and is less skillful and creative in terms of actual instrumental and lyrical quality.... In my opinion. (cwutididthar?) lol | ||
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Wassow
United Kingdom32 Posts
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
Pretty different from the other two examples, but old enough to be considered.... old. They highly influenced almost every modern metal band, so i feel that regardless of our opinions, they deserved recognition as one of the higher in metal history. | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
god what a terrible thread, no music is the best. it's like saying fps are superior to rts, it's like saying that sc2 is superior to bw, it's like saying go is superior to chess. it's like comparing fucking apples and oranges ladies and gentlemen saying stuff like my apple is better then some rotten orange doesn't mean apples are better then oranges | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 11 2010 11:37 TALegion wrote: Pretty different from the other two examples, but old enough to be considered.... old. They highly influenced almost every modern metal band, so i feel that regardless of our opinions, they deserved recognition as one of the higher in metal history. Regardless of who they influenced or what Danzig went on to do, The Misfits were punk rock. | ||
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Dystisis
Norway713 Posts
On December 11 2010 02:53 stratman wrote: To me, metal is just kids from the suburbs being loud and angry. OP called rap 'just talking into a microphone'. IMO that's much better than just screaming into a microphone. Not every metaller is from the suburbs at all. This is just mindless scene-talk generalization you're doing here. In fact, everyone should chill the fuck out and realize that there are insightful people into every god damn genre you can think of. Even the stuff that sounds like complete bullshit to you, don't even begin to demonize it because there will be good stuff within it as well, and good reasons to like it. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On December 11 2010 10:58 Igakusei wrote: Perhaps I should clarify that what annoys me most about the Rap/Hip-Hop I have heard is the sound of the music itself. I generally don't even listen to music lyrics, so I'll freely agree that the lyrics I HAVE listened to or read were a mere drop in the pond. I'll see if I can find a few songs that I do like the sound of, and I'll post them here to see what you think. Some songs which I hope you enjoy. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
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erin[go]bragh
United States815 Posts
Music is, just like anything else, opinion. It's like wine. I'll enjoy my $70 bottle of Bordeaux because I like complexity and depth to my wine, but when I see someone drinking cheap Merlot I don't hate on them for drinking a "simple" wine. My bottle is very much an acquired taste, just like many forms of complex music (like *progressive* metal or Jazz) and many people who enjoy simpler wines would spit out my expensive Bordeaux, despite it's price tag, supposed greatness and 99 Robert Parker rating. It is what it is, to be frank. There's no debating "better" music because there's nothing to debate. I wish people would just stop talking about it. You won't get someone else to love what you love, just like they won't get you to love what they do. You can link whatever songs you think are awesome all you want, if the fundamental taste is different, it's not going to fly. And thats the way it should be. No two tastes are the same, this creastes variety, and thats a good thing. | ||
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Quasimoto3000
United States471 Posts
I challenge anyone to write a rap with more polysyllabic interwoven rhymes within words, and with the amount of simile/punchline wittiness as say, Rakim. There is a reason that, should you ask any rapper who the best ever is, they will say Rakim. | ||
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Quasimoto3000
United States471 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:01 PUPATREE wrote: The dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum. User was warned for this post Okay this did not deserve to get warned, let me explain He was quoting a song by the wu-tang clan, in which mastahkillah says the words, implying that we come with lyrics, good beats, and good concepts, while the dumb are mostly intrigued by the sound of the drum, referencing the nonsense dance raps that you hear everywhere. Okay, maybe he should have explained that himself ^^ | ||
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agarangu
Chile274 Posts
On December 11 2010 12:41 Tha_Docta wrote: I think people are downplaying the level of technicality involved in rap. You can be good at rapping, its not just rhyming. I challenge anyone to write a rap with more polysyllabic interwoven rhymes within words, and with the amount of simile/punchline wittiness as say, Rakim. There is a reason that, should you ask any rapper who the best ever is, they will say Rakim. But you will never see a Metal band playing with Justin Beiber | ||
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LaSt)ChAnCe
United States2179 Posts
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Airbag
Japan77 Posts
On December 11 2010 13:01 agarangu wrote: But you will never see a Metal band playing with Justin Beiber You're gonna look pretty stupid when Justin Bieber becomes Dream Theaters next drummer | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:56 Headshot wrote: Computer generated noises? I've got two words for you. The Roots. The Roots aren't relevant anymore. | ||
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Jombozeus
China1014 Posts
Remember that the world is evolving, and the more qualified are getting positions, whereas 20 years ago anyone can get record deals provided a decent skill and innovation/creativity. Look at Lady Gaga, she is as mainstream as you can get, but you cannot tell me an average run-of-the-mill rapper/metalhead has more qualifications than her, or can sing better than her. She isn't bad at all, she just chooses to appeal to the mass of the public, which is NOT a bad thing, its called being smart. The public isn't some dumb blob of people with no brains, everyone of us is part of the public, and if you choose to be anti-mainstream then so be it. Whatever subculture you belong to that likes to elevate their status by projecting their awesomeness and downplaying others is just being close-minded. There is nothing wrong with liking mainstream music, its mostly good, that is why most people like it. I mean, c'mon, just because you like metal doesn't mean the other 95% of the world's population is some mindless sheep, they are human beings that you interact with on a daily basis, they are your neighbors and other kids at your school/uni. Just because you are at the comfort of your own home, it doesn't mean everyone you know suddenly turns into statistics. Think objectively, Bieber has a much better voice than most metal singers out there (see Anders Friden from In Flames, he can scream and is a great vocalist in one of the most popular metal bands, but his singing is pretty subpar). Still hate Bieber though. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On December 11 2010 10:35 GolemMadness wrote: Touching some strings while hitting drums and pressing keys isn't hard to do. Seriously, what is wrong with you? You literally say how easy rap is to make and that only idiots like it, and then proceed to say that there's no reason for them to talk negatively about metal. Yeah, it's obviously your opinion, and it's just as obvious that you're incredibly ignorant and that nobody is ever going to take you seriously on this subject. Then you know nothing about metal, I understand that rap may take some skills but compared to metal, it's a almost a joke. Continue to bash me with no arguments. Edit: I wanted to show him that metal music did evolved. You're all saying that I'm an idiot for arguing but damn, if someone says something as ignorant as this on metal, then I have on choice but to answer his judgment. Now it's your turn to prove me that rap did evolved, takes some skills and can be unique. | ||
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BROotogy
Eritrea149 Posts
I think mods should close this thread, all thats going to come from this thread is arguments.. | ||
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lxginverse
Monaco1506 Posts
and i love power and symphonic metal... Nightwish ftw! | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On December 11 2010 14:27 BROotogy wrote: may as well not even post, my reply was pretty mean :/ I think mods should close this thread, all thats going to come from this thread is arguments.. You're right, they should close it. Just to clarify, I never said I hated the people who listen to rap, I actually don't judge anyone for their tastes. It's just the simple "the metal didn't evolved" that bugged me. Cheers. | ||
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Rawenkeke
Norway350 Posts
On December 11 2010 06:26 BasedSwag wrote: A lot of people, such as myself, would consider every artist you listed to be at the same level of 'talent'. But then again, someone with the nick basedswag. i rest my case. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On December 11 2010 14:39 Essbee wrote: You're right, they should close it. Just to clarify, I never said I hated the people who listen to rap, I actually don't judge anyone for their tastes. It's just the simple "the metal didn't evolved" that bugged me. Cheers. "Electronic sounds with computer modified voices isn't hard to do, it's the effect it gives as a result where the people likes it (the beat) because they don't know what real musical talent is and that's just what their simple mind like" Yes, saying that something takes no talent and that people who like it are simple minded is very non-judgemental of you. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
Gotta listen to all kinds of music~ | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On December 11 2010 14:20 Essbee wrote: Then you know nothing about metal, I understand that rap may take some skills but compared to metal, it's a almost a joke. Continue to bash me with no arguments. Edit: I wanted to show him that metal music did evolved. You're all saying that I'm an idiot for arguing but damn, if someone says something as ignorant as this on metal, then I have on choice but to answer his judgment. Now it's your turn to prove me that rap did evolved, takes some skills and can be unique. If you think that metal is so absurdly harder to make than rap, then you know nothing about rap. Sure is easy to throw around baseless statements, isn't it? Your last sentence doesn't even make sense. Are you seriously asking me to do this? Rap is very different from how it was 25 years ago. Rap requires writing lyrics and making beats. There are songs about pretty much any topic out there. Evolution, skill, being unique. Wow. That sure doesn't apply to every single genre in existence. | ||
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news
892 Posts
I will not post countless examples and comparisons, here's a band I saw live twice (and will keep coming to every show they do in MA). | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
Metal may be harder to play but whatever who cares how 'hard' music is to make anyways? | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On December 11 2010 14:52 GolemMadness wrote: If you think that metal is so absurdly harder to make than rap, then you know nothing about rap. Sure is easy to throw around baseless statements, isn't it? Your last sentence doesn't even make sense. Are you seriously asking me to do this? Rap is very different from how it was 25 years ago. Rap requires writing lyrics and making beats. There are songs about pretty much any topic out there. Evolution, skill, being unique. Wow. That sure doesn't apply to every single genre in existence. Then you are saying that I was actually right saying that metal did evolved? I didn't say that lyrics in rap were simple, it's the music that isn't hard to compose. As in hiphop, techno, etc... And yes it's simple to listen to the music and understand and enjoy the simplicity, and it's not in a negative way, and here I'm talking about the music and not lyrics, I agree that the lyrics (especially eminem) can be quite great. I listen to some sometimes but not for the music, it doesn't appeal me at all, it's often too simple and always sounds the same. I didn't want to be negative when I said that simple-minded persons like rap, I'm saying in general it's like this but it's not always in a bad way. | ||
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news
892 Posts
On December 11 2010 14:56 FragKrag wrote: He believes that metal is technically harder to play I believe. Metal may be harder to play but whatever who cares how 'hard' music is to make anyways? I thought some people argued hip-hop requires more talent/is more demanding? Which is just ignorant. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
For some reason, metalheads like to make it seem like metal is some kind of higher, more demanding type of music than whatever else is out there, and it definitely is not. :/ | ||
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
I'm a member of another forum where these guys claim classic rock > R&B/gospel. And it's unquestionably a subtle racial jab. Is it ignorance? Confusion? Fear of a culture not their own? Who knows. The fact is, they don't understand it, so they instead just claim that R&B/gospel doesn't require skill. LOL. This is why I prefer people talk about specific artists, not genres. At least in those situations people have good, but still subjective, reasons for hating a certain artist. *And to be clear, I have gone through phases of listening to every kind of music. I've listened to classic rock, hip hop, rap, R&B, gospel, alternative, top40, metal, symphonic metal, and finally country. I really wish people would give everything a chance, and if not, at least admit they don't understand it. It took me almost 2 years to really "get" country music, and now I like it just like all the other genres. The key is finding artists you like. | ||
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tube
United States1475 Posts
On December 11 2010 15:10 mav451 wrote: Music is such a subjective area that I can't relaly take anyone seriously when they say "x is bad". I'm not saying everyone has to turn into a Carson Daly (who claims he likes all music), but if you don't get the music, just say it. I'm a member of another forum where these guys claim classic rock > R&B/gospel. And it's unquestionably a subtle racial jab. Is it ignorance? Confusion? Fear of a culture not their own? Who knows. The fact is, they don't understand it, so they instead just claim that R&B/gospel doesn't require skill. LOL. This is why I prefer people talk about specific artists, not genres. At least in those situations people have good, but still subjective, reasons for hating a certain artist. *And to be clear, I have gone through phases of listening to every kind of music. I've listened to classic rock, hip hop, rap, R&B, gospel, alternative, top40, metal, symphonic metal, and finally country. I really wish people would give everything a chance, and if not, at least admit they don't understand it. It took me almost 2 years to really "get" country music, and now I like it just like all the other genres. The key is finding artists you like. what about the music that people debate over whether or not it is even music, have you listened to that? such as merzbox and other crazy noize | ||
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892 Posts
On December 11 2010 15:05 FragKrag wrote: I don't think there is a way to objectify talent or what is more demanding. For some reason, metalheads like to make it seem like metal is some kind of higher, more demanding type of music than whatever else is out there, and it definitely is not. :/ You just need to consider how much time is invested in order to become relevant and then you can claim it isn't more demanding than pop or rap or techno. I listen to it all but I have some sanity not to compare something that can be literally done by a crackhead on a computer to something that requires 10-15 years of playing the instrument. Okay, not a crackhead, but you should be able to get the concept. Lil Weezy is best eva. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On December 11 2010 15:05 FragKrag wrote: I don't think there is a way to objectify talent or what is more demanding. For some reason, metalheads like to make it seem like metal is some kind of higher, more demanding type of music than whatever else is out there, and it definitely is not. :/ If you are talking about mainstream metal like slipknot and other things like this, then I agree. But if you don't mind harsh vocals, European metal bands actually have amazing musical compositions combined with a lot of genres, that's one of the main reason I think metal is one of the higher demanding type of music, maybe not the highest, but it's probably the most physically demanding to play on live shows. A lot of metal bands are not original and not very talented, I don't deny this, I actually think there's a lot more less-talented bands than very talented ones. But these talented bands are genius to come with such beautiful songs. Metal is also not only about harsh vocals, drums, etc... there's actually a lot of different styles which always comes up with something new to the table in the world of metal music. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
and im sure as fuck no one has ever went to a hip hop show and seen a cover of master of puppets or arpeggios from hell. any competent metal band on earth has the musical skills required to make a rap song. you cant deny this. sorry. I challenge anyone to name a rapper that can write/play a metal song. Metal wins. its not elitism its just common fucking sense would you guys put Vivaldi on the same musical skill level as Pdiddy?? cmon now. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
fragkrag thats not covering a metal song. hes singing to a backing track. theres not a single person playing an instrument. i do that shit everyday in the shower. | ||
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news
892 Posts
On December 11 2010 15:21 FragKrag wrote: does that make classical music the supreme form of music? coag: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xcub7YxI98 Thanks, you just proved his point. Lmfao J, I think your shower singing tops snoop right there. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
on the other hand snoop is capable of this with kid cudi | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
its not a "lesser" form of music. its just not as technical or as hard to do. | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
One - metal takes more traditional musical skill. Nobody's arguing that. Two - metal takes more skill, therefore it is more enjoyable/better/favorable. Um ok - that's your opinion, fine. What if I like trance/house? All that is done on computers now, and much of it is production and with not so much "live" interaction. Does that mean I can't enjoy it then? Three - how many metal bands can freestyle lyrically? And I'm not saying speed for the sake of speed, but thinking creatively. Again, what if I place my emphasis more on lyrical/spoken word over traditional musical instruments? Does my opinion matter less b/c I don't favor traditional instruments? | ||
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TheGrimace
United States929 Posts
On December 11 2010 15:21 Coagulation wrote: lemme put it this way i have seen sooo many metal bands cover rap songs like snoop dog Doc Dre etc. and im sure as fuck no one has ever went to a hip hop show and seen a cover of master of puppets or arpeggios from hell. any competent metal band on earth has the musical skills required to make a rap song. you cant deny this. sorry. I challenge anyone to name a rapper that can write/play a metal song. Metal wins. its not elitism its just common fucking sense would you guys put Vivaldi on the same musical skill level as Pdiddy?? cmon now. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Apparently metal bands think it's worth the time to learn and perform a rap song. The only thing you've proven with your post is metal bands feel the need to imitate music you consider inferior. If it is truly inferior, aren't they just wasting their time? It's just common fucking sense. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
A lot of the rappers can just free style raps off the top of their head just like how many guitarists can improvise off of a scale or two to form a solo. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On December 11 2010 15:33 TheGrimace wrote: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Apparently metal bands think it's worth the time to learn and perform a rap song. The only thing you've proven with your post is metal bands feel the need to imitate music you consider inferior. If it is truly inferior, aren't they just wasting their time? It's just common fucking sense. i didnt say its "inferior" at all. jesus christ. | ||
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0mgVitaminE
United States1278 Posts
You can't say that metal doesn't take skill or musical talent. It takes time to learn an instrument, time to form a group, and dedication to put enough into your music that in the end it's something people want to listen to. But you can't say that rap doesn't take skill either. Sure, there are no guitars or double bass to work on, but you are retarded if you think just anyone can pick up a mic and rap. People who rap skillfully (I'm not denying that there are some who are horrible) have been working on it their entire lives. Writing lyrics and becoming good at it takes a hell of a lot of practice, and so does making the lyrics sound good when you say them. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On December 11 2010 15:02 Essbee wrote: Then you are saying that I was actually right saying that metal did evolved? I didn't say that lyrics in rap were simple, it's the music that isn't hard to compose. As in hiphop, techno, etc... And yes it's simple to listen to the music and understand and enjoy the simplicity, and it's not in a negative way, and here I'm talking about the music and not lyrics, I agree that the lyrics (especially eminem) can be quite great. I listen to some sometimes but not for the music, it doesn't appeal me at all, it's often too simple and always sounds the same. I didn't want to be negative when I said that simple-minded persons like rap, I'm saying in general it's like this but it's not always in a bad way. ALL MUSIC IS CONSTANTLY EVOLVING. "All rap and hip hop music is a pure joke to make compared to metal." LYRICS ARE PART OF THE MUSIC. And yes, the beats are hard to make. If you think it's so easy, why don't you just fire up a program and start making money no problem? Ok, so if simple minded people like rap, then it's greasy people with long hair who like metal. Because idiotic stereotypes is how I base my perceptions of people. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On December 11 2010 15:21 Coagulation wrote: lemme put it this way i have seen sooo many metal bands cover rap songs like snoop dog Doc Dre etc. and im sure as fuck no one has ever went to a hip hop show and seen a cover of master of puppets or arpeggios from hell. any competent metal band on earth has the musical skills required to make a rap song. you cant deny this. sorry. I challenge anyone to name a rapper that can write/play a metal song. Metal wins. its not elitism its just common fucking sense would you guys put Vivaldi on the same musical skill level as Pdiddy?? cmon now. Necro can write/play a metal song. I have won your challenge. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
im genuinely interested. btw when i say metal i mean "necrophagist" "children of bodom" Melodic/harmonic instrumental work + solos | ||
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TheGrimace
United States929 Posts
On December 11 2010 15:38 Coagulation wrote: i didnt say its "inferior" at all. jesus christ. What are you saying then? How do you "win" without being superior? Metal wins vs rap. Wins what exactly? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
in response to your ranting about how rap is just as technical as any other music. well its not. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On December 11 2010 15:40 GolemMadness wrote: ALL MUSIC IS CONSTANTLY EVOLVING. "All rap and hip hop music is a pure joke to make compared to metal." LYRICS ARE PART OF THE MUSIC. And yes, the beats are hard to make. If you think it's so easy, why don't you just fire up a program and start making money no problem? Ok, so if simple minded people like rap, then it's greasy people with long hair who like metal. Because idiotic stereotypes is how I base my perceptions of people. It is actually a joke to compare rap to metal, the lyrics are comparable, but that's all. The instrumentals (if you prefer) is by far more demanding in the metal world. I don't like rap and I don't have money problems so I won't start to make some rap beats. Learning an instrument is also harder than learning how to make beats on a computer. If you were able to read all the posts here between mine and yours then you would have some other explanations. For the "simple-minded", there were no negative thoughts with this by the way, so stop being so mad at it. And I also said that it was in general, but there are always exceptions. Annnnd for your information, I don't have long greasy hair, I actually don't look like someone who listen to metal at all. Edit: mistakes | ||
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TheGrimace
United States929 Posts
On December 11 2010 15:49 Coagulation wrote: Metal wins the "requires more knowledge of musical theory and composition" award. in response to your ranting about how rap is just as technical as any other music. well its not. When did I say rap was as technical as any other music? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
-edit you didnt it was someone else sorry i seen your name there for some reason. | ||
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TheGrimace
United States929 Posts
So my username is GolemMadness? | ||
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koreasilver
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koreasilver
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On December 11 2010 15:24 Coagulation wrote: yes classical music is pretty much music in its rawest form fragkrag thats not covering a metal song. hes singing to a backing track. theres not a single person playing an instrument. i do that shit everyday in the shower. What in the fuck are you talking about. Classical music is one of the farthest things away from raw music. I can't believe anyone could ever think that the most academically rigorous form of music is "raw" in any sense. Jesus Christ. this thread makes me want to kill myself. | ||
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hoppipolla
Australia782 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On December 11 2010 15:21 Coagulation wrote: lemme put it this way i have seen sooo many metal bands cover rap songs like snoop dog Doc Dre etc. and im sure as fuck no one has ever went to a hip hop show and seen a cover of master of puppets or arpeggios from hell. any competent metal band on earth has the musical skills required to make a rap song. you cant deny this. sorry. I challenge anyone to name a rapper that can write/play a metal song. Metal wins. its not elitism its just common fucking sense would you guys put Vivaldi on the same musical skill level as Pdiddy?? cmon now. well thats not fair.. doing a cover of a rap song is one thing, but making up those insanely clever rhymes and wordplay you see in good rap songs is something I doubt most metal bands can do. also I think vivaldi is overrated just saying, Mahler is betterrrrrr (not a fair comparison btw) | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On December 11 2010 16:05 koreasilver wrote: What in the fuck are you talking about. Classical music is one of the farthest things away from raw music. I can't believe anyone could ever think that the most academically rigorous form of music is "raw" in any sense. Jesus Christ. this thread makes me want to kill myself. how about "Purest" form? | ||
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Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
Metal wins the "requires more knowledge of musical theory and composition" award. I wouldn't go that far. How about "some metal wins the "requires more knowledge of musical theory and composition" award. Making a statement like that covering the entire genre is just silly. You would have to ignore the large majority of metal bands which all consist of double-kick/blast beats and low, repetitive guitar riffs. That sort of metal requires next to no musical knowledge. Besides, requiring more knowledge/skill isn't testament to ANY genre's actual quality. It's only testament to it requiring more knowledge/skill. There are a gazillion examples of bands/artists whose music is rather simplistic, and yet many of them create some of the most moving/thought-provoking pieces of music to be found. And even then, technical skill/knowledge etc definitely doesn't equate to good feel/taste. I admit, a lot of metal drummers are quite technically skilled, but most of them have terrible feel. Lastly, judging a genre which revolves around lyrics (rap) on technical skill is hardly fair. The music in rap is simply the canvas for the artist to pain on. The lyrics are the picture. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 11 2010 15:05 FragKrag wrote: I don't think there is a way to objectify talent or what is more demanding. For some reason, metalheads like to make it seem like metal is some kind of higher, more demanding type of music than whatever else is out there, and it definitely is not. :/ Indeed. see: Venom | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
On December 11 2010 16:07 Swede wrote: I wouldn't go that far. How about "some metal wins the "requires more knowledge of musical theory and composition" award. Making a statement like that covering the entire genre is just silly. You would have to ignore the large majority of metal bands which all consist of double-kick/blast beats and low, repetitive guitar riffs. That sort of metal requires next to no musical knowledge. Besides, requiring more knowledge/skill isn't testament to ANY genre's actual quality. It's only testament to it requiring more knowledge/skill. There are a gazillion examples of bands/artists whose music is rather simplistic, and yet many of them create some of the most moving/thought-provoking pieces of music to be found. And even then, technical skill/knowledge etc definitely doesn't equate to good feel/taste. I admit, a lot of metal drummers are quite technically skilled, but most of them have terrible feel. Lastly, judging a genre which revolves around lyrics (rap) on technical skill is hardly fair. The music in rap is simply the canvas for the artist to pain on. The lyrics are the picture. Thanks for fleshing this out. I was trying to convey this on the page earlier, but didn't go into enough depth. The part about the double-kick does make me chuckle though. My calves/ankles don't have the same speed they did 10 years ago - kinda sucks. | ||
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Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
On December 11 2010 16:09 Coagulation wrote: well im the first to admit technical =/= quality. Then why bring it up? I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it sure seemed like you were using technicality as a basis for metal being better than rap. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
Again, how would an intensely academic study that has very rigorous training and intensely developed theory under a very specific eurocentric history be "pure" in any sense? I have a deep love for several composers but to just say that they are "raw" or even "pure" in any sense is really stupid. There is a very distinct tradition and history to it that is very culturally developed. And even besides this; you would put any metal band on the level of someone like Rachmaninoff? Your comparisons in this thread have been seriously ridiculous, seriously. The main reason I'm picking at you here is because you're a well-known user and the recognizable posters on this forum should really refrain from saying these kind of things. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On December 11 2010 16:14 Swede wrote: Then why bring it up? I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it sure seemed like you were using technicality as a basis for metal being better than rap. nope. quality of music is 100% a personal preference. i seen people posting that rap is just as hard to make as metal.. and it seems kinda silly. koreasilver what genre would you define as purest musicly? | ||
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Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
On December 11 2010 16:19 Coagulation wrote: nope. quality of music is 100% a personal preference. /endthread | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
Freestyle rap is pretty high up there for me as well. Lyrical storytelling is one of the most basic forms of music all over the world. Its not hard to find similarities between modern rap and stuff like traditional Korean music. Trying to look for "purity" when evaluating music is entirely fruitless and more importantly, pointless and useless. | ||
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DisBabylonSystem
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MahatmaSC2
United States192 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7917 Posts
On December 11 2010 16:19 Coagulation wrote: nope. quality of music is 100% a personal preference. i seen people posting that rap is just as hard to make as metal.. and it seems kinda silly. koreasilver what genre would you define as purest musicly? We know that saying that art can be evaluated regardless of personnal preferences since David Hume and his work on aesthetics. I wouldn't use the idea that music is pure or raw, but music can be defined as good or bad with very objective criterias, which have nothing to o with academic strandards. The question which gives art a value is for most philosophers today its innovative aspect. Art which doesn't bring anything new is basivcally worthless. Britney Spears doesn't bring anyhting new. 50 cent doesn't bring anything new. Lady Gaga doesn't bring anything new. They all write binary tonal crap and they are all three completely backward. And no surprise, they are all three marketing products. Marketed "artist" don't innovate, usually. Now if you want an example of what would be a huge artist outside classical music, well, take for example John Coltrane. Coltrane opened completely new dimensions to Jazz, and never stopped innovating, changing and creating. There is maybe a reason why most of today's commercial is completely stuck while Jazz or Classical music have always been evolving dramatically. And if you ask me the question, there are awful classical composers. Take Karl Jenkins or Tan Dun today, they write completely outdated music which is very well suited for old ladies. Don't worth better than Lady Gaga, and they are moved by the same logic: money. | ||
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NastyMarine
United States1252 Posts
On December 11 2010 16:06 hoppipolla wrote: I listen to both rap and metal, what's the point of limiting yourself to particular genres to feel an absurd sense of elitism? Who cares how difficult it is to make but rather how good it sounds to your ears, and why bother trying to convert people to your musical taste when it doesn't affect you whatsoever. I absolutely agree. Well said. | ||
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fredd
Estonia256 Posts
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
I'd hate anyone to scour through my mp3 player. some truly random things on there. From Rap, Jpop, Nu Metal, Thrash Metal, Punk, Blues.. some orchestral stuff (not really classical, but still) Genre's shift change and evolve and meld.. remember when Fred Durst could claim to almost be king of the world because he was a terrible rapper ontop of metal music? Or Metallica's S&M album.. how good was that .. wow.. The only genre I give a wide birth is Jazz, because to my ears it sounds like someone trying to play Blues but they don't know how to play it so are making it up on the fly. But I know a bunch of people who love to relax to jazz music. I know a guy who loves Japanese reggae music.. I mean wtf.. but everyone's different. | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
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Filo
United States54 Posts
So the OP just made this thread to say that Metal is harder to play then rap......... | ||
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agarangu
Chile274 Posts
On December 11 2010 13:27 Airbag wrote: You're gonna look pretty stupid when Justin Bieber becomes Dream Theaters next drummer This is how hard it is to sing Hip-hop + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgX-NCNakpo And this + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Raskit
579 Posts
Assessing hip-hop music by its beats is clearly missing the point and purpose of the genre. The lyrics and voice are 95% of a hip-hop track. The voice is the beat. You may as well criticise the font used by a poet. Maybe go listen to the various instrumental genres derived from or that use a mix of hip-hop, if you want to be a fancy pants an assess track construction. | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
I'll post an actual hip-hop video so people can see what it's supposed to sound like: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeTnog5RRQo I'd wager the haters have no idea who Mos Def is. *and lol, I know someone will say, "but but he was in Hitchhiker's or Italian Job." Like I said in the first post in this thread, demonstrate, at the minimum, that you've taken the effort to learn about the genre. Even if that's only one artist, that's a bigger step than most haters have taken. | ||
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tieya
United States308 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:56 Headshot wrote: Computer generated noises? I've got two words for you. The Roots. aka the 90s | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
I enjoy both... [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hii17sjSwfA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hii17sjSwfA[/url] and [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnsAWbhsL8Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnsAWbhsL8Q[/url][/QUOTE YES!!! Good man! Love both Tool and Cudi, one of my favorites songs is bodies like sheep by Perfect circle, which is pretty much Tool. | ||
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
Hip hop is pretty much underground right now, come to New York and you will instantly see a difference in style.Only rappers left are Jay Z, Lil Wayne and Eminem, and that faggot Drake who can't even rhyme. Personally though, I moved on from Metal. I still love the music though, it's just that there comes a point in your life where you want to explore new genres. Well, I found other (not necessarily better) music which appeals to my current mood. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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news
892 Posts
On December 12 2010 01:21 mav451 wrote: Raskit - totally agree. Seems most on TL don't understand the soul of hip-hop or even how it works. It goes back to my first post in this thread - fear/ignorance of the unknown. I'll post an actual hip-hop video so people can see what it's supposed to sound like: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeTnog5RRQo I'd wager the haters have no idea who Mos Def is. *and lol, I know someone will say, "but but he was in Hitchhiker's or Italian Job." Like I said in the first post in this thread, demonstrate, at the minimum, that you've taken the effort to learn about the genre. Even if that's only one artist, that's a bigger step than most haters have taken. There are no haters. I don't understand this mentality, does it give you extra motivation to think that someone is "hating" on the genre? Rap has some gems, that's beyond the point. Actually everything we discuss here is beyond the point, originally the question was - why does everyone love hip-hop/rap these days. Which is not true to say the least, rap was way bigger 5-10 years ago, if anything people mostly spin pop, senseless autotuned hip-hop (basically degenerated into dance music) and pop-rock. Some people suggested metal is 'unpopular' because they can't play it at a party, but who would play GZA or Mos Def? Party playlists usually include some mainstream garbage a-la trey songz, lil wayne and lady gaga. It lacks lyrics, something that defines rap. Thus OP is wrong to begin with, it wasn't rap/hip-hop popularity but rather pop music popularity. And they call it pop for a reason (as in pop music is always prevalent by definition). | ||
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SaYyId
Portugal277 Posts
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
On December 11 2010 13:27 Airbag wrote: You're gonna look pretty stupid when Justin Bieber becomes Dream Theaters next drummer Don't even joke about that. I took a class on basic drums so that I could better understand them and their purpose in rock. I did this so I could incorporate them in my songs that I write for my band more. My basic drums are more complex than Justin Bieber's solo. Even doing a mental comparison of Bieber and Portnoy is fucking sinister... | ||
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r3z3nd3
Brazil522 Posts
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Airbag
Japan77 Posts
On December 12 2010 02:19 TALegion wrote: Don't even joke about that. I took a class on basic drums so that I could better understand them and their purpose in rock. I did this so I could incorporate them in my songs that I write for my band more. My basic drums are more complex than Justin Bieber's solo. Even doing a mental comparison of Bieber and Portnoy is fucking sinister... Bieber sings and plays multiple instruments therefore he's more talented then Mike Portonoy. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19295 Posts
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
On December 12 2010 02:09 News wrote: There are no haters. I don't understand this mentality, does it give you extra motivation to think that someone is "hating" on the genre? Rap has some gems, that's beyond the point. Actually everything we discuss here is beyond the point, originally the question was - why does everyone love hip-hop/rap these days. Which is not true to say the least, rap was way bigger 5-10 years ago, if anything people mostly spin pop, senseless autotuned hip-hop (basically degenerated into dance music) and pop-rock. Lol no haters? Have you read through this thread at all? And yes, I've heard the Blackstar album at parties before, hip-hop works just fine. Now if you're talking club music, well of course they play Top40 nonsense. That's what the masses want. As far as gems go, again, that is the point. There's more that just a couple of gems. There's plenty of good stuff out there, you just need to make an effort. Haters of hip-hop always point to a random top40 song and say, "see - this sounds like shit." Well no kidding, it's Top40. Do you expect a non-sellout to be featured on the airwaves? You can't have it both ways. We discuss that the mainstream stuff sounds like crap because it contributes to people painting hip-hop with a broad brush. | ||
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
On December 12 2010 02:32 Airbag wrote: Bieber sings and plays multiple instruments therefore he's more talented then Mike Portonoy. I can't tell if that's a sarcastic/troll post. Just in case it isn't,,,, + Show Spoiler + Portnoy: Neil Peart: John Bohnam: Playing multiple instruments with regular skill doesn't mean you are more respectable as someone with mastery of one/few. In fact, it doesn't even make you equal. Hendrix didn't play multiple instruments. He's still THE MAN. Freddy Mercury only played piano and sang well. But those two talents carried Queen to it's place of fame. Geddy Lee plays below average piano (in comparison to most musicians who even make use of it), his singing it a turn-off for most people, but his bass playing is beyond magnificent. All of them are still poster-children for music. The idea of liberal arts isn't universally applied to everything that you can do, period. It's you can do well. DaVinci was an amazing engineer and painter, and is remembered for both. That's only two things. Geoffrey Chaucer was a politcian, astronomer, knight, business man, philosopher and POET, but his his poetry is really the only factor of his that is very noticeable, so few people even know of his many other occupations. The man with two talents is probably known by 5x as many people as the man with six. Being good at few things > Being average at many. | ||
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news
892 Posts
On December 12 2010 02:46 mav451 wrote: Lol no haters? Have you read through this thread at all? And yes, I've heard the Blackstar album at parties before, hip-hop works just fine. Now if you're talking club music, well of course they play Top40 nonsense. That's what the masses want. As far as gems go, again, that is the point. There's more that just a couple of gems. There's plenty of good stuff out there, you just need to make an effort. Haters of hip-hop always point to a random top40 song and say, "see - this sounds like shit." Well no kidding, it's Top40. Do you expect a non-sellout to be featured on the airwaves? You can't have it both ways. We discuss that the mainstream stuff sounds like crap because it contributes to people painting hip-hop with a broad brush. And I've heard Dying Fetus at the parties before. And I promise you some generic Metallica song was played million more times at the parties compared to Blackstar album. Get real, nobody wants to hear it besides enthusiasts and fans. Show me a Blackstar song on youtube that has anywhere close to the number of views Disturbed songs get. Fuck, in this regard metal is more popular than hip-hop, is it not? You have to account for 'masses' because that's exactly what OP was asking about. He wasn't wondering about some clique that spins raw raps in the basement while getting high talking about the struggle. He meant overall popularity, shit you hear on the radio and MTV. | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
On December 12 2010 03:25 News wrote: And I've heard Dying Fetus at the parties before. And I promise you some generic Metallica song was played million more times at the parties compared to Blackstar album. Get real, nobody wants to hear it besides enthusiasts and fans. Show me a Blackstar song on youtube that has anywhere close to the number of views Disturbed songs get. Fuck, in this regard metal is more popular than hip-hop, is it not? You have to account for 'masses' because that's exactly what OP was asking about. He wasn't wondering about some clique that spins raw raps in the basement while getting high talking about the struggle. He meant overall popularity, shit you hear on the radio and MTV. Well at least we know what your real feelings are, lol. | ||
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AnAngryDingo
United States223 Posts
any rap made post- biggie and 2pac is probably trash. believe it or not, lil wayne, i don't care about your cars, your bitches, or how much money you have son | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On December 11 2010 16:35 DisBabylonSystem wrote: Because people are getting less intelligent as time goes on... On December 11 2010 17:13 MahatmaSC2 wrote: I thought this was pretty interesting. http://musicthatmakesyoudumb.virgil.gr/ I have an SAT score higher than any average in that graph and I listen to Jay-Z and Lil Wayne (but Rebirth was terribad). | ||
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r3z3nd3
Brazil522 Posts
On December 12 2010 02:33 BisuDagger wrote: All I can say is all my friends listen to some form of metal. And if I could name drop one band, Amon Amarth! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-UbViuK4fY Death In Fire is a masterpiece. And I can tell you, rap / hip hop is way more popular in North America, whereas Metal is more popular in Europe and Japan =P | ||
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DisBabylonSystem
56 Posts
On December 12 2010 05:50 jalstar wrote: I have an SAT score higher than any average in that graph and I listen to Jay-Z and Lil Wayne (but Rebirth was terribad). Do you listen to the words? Especially lil wayne, that guy is an idoit. | ||
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Lamphead
Canada241 Posts
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On December 12 2010 03:25 News wrote: And I've heard Dying Fetus at the parties before. And I promise you some generic Metallica song was played million more times at the parties compared to Blackstar album. Get real, nobody wants to hear it besides enthusiasts and fans. Show me a Blackstar song on youtube that has anywhere close to the number of views Disturbed songs get. Fuck, in this regard metal is more popular than hip-hop, is it not? You have to account for 'masses' because that's exactly what OP was asking about. He wasn't wondering about some clique that spins raw raps in the basement while getting high talking about the struggle. He meant overall popularity, shit you hear on the radio and MTV. Hey asshole, how about you stop all this pretentious douchebaggery? Just because you dont see us doesnt mean were some obscure "clique that spins raw raps in the basement while getting high talking about the struggle". You arent a fan of hip hop, of course the only hip hop youre gonna hear is top 40 on the radio. Most of the people i hang out with nowadays dont listen to metal, but im not gonna say that metal fans are just cliques that shoot up while trying to find meaning in their power chords. I think its pathetic that you generalize all of us who listen to non-mainstream hip hop as potheads and losers. Back in the day, I used to hang out with people who only listened to metal. These kids were the ones who smoked pot every day, got busted for doing shrooms, and nearly dropped out of high school. I also knew other people who liked metal who are successful. My point is, theres all kinds of people who like all kinds of music. Stop being a dick. OP might be asking about the mainstream raps, but thats only because of ignorance. Because he hasnt heard underground and good oldschool, he thinks rap in general is shallow and lacking in skill. Just look at the original post, hes not really looking for an answer to his own question. All hes doing is being a bitch and insulting the hip hop genre while trying to avoid direct backlash by acting like hes asking a legitimate question. Just like you, youre trying to reframe the original intent of the OP so you can go on to express your disdain and ignorance of the hip hop genre without being labeled as a hater. You can dislike hip hop, Im totally fine with that. But labeling and judging hip hop fans as loser potheads while touting your music genres youtube views is just ridiculous. | ||
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TheTuna
United States286 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:23 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Some of the people here are confirming what my friend was saying -- he doesn't like metal because you can't sing or dance to it. Is that seriously a reason why people don't like it? That's a huge part of it; metal is just not really party music (unfortunately). I love metal, but I also enjoy a good dose of some classy 40s music, personally. | ||
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DeSu
Australia91 Posts
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
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GP
United States1056 Posts
On December 12 2010 16:39 DeSu wrote: as a fan of electronic dance music, I gotta say that the "computer generated noise" referred to by OP does take skill in itself. I'm not sure about its use in hip hip/rap beats and all, but EDM producers/djs have to have a lot of skill to do what they do as well. Its just a different kind of skill as opposed to playing a guitar or other instrument, and most producers play instruments as well anyway. Besides, music is entirely subjective, people should just enjoy what they like and not hate on what they don't like. Nobody likes an indie musical elitist. This. Musical skill doesn't equal instrumental skill. You try doing some of the things electronic DJs do live. Go ahead and check out some of the things DJ Shadow does live and tell me he's not skilled. Get off your high horse and expand your musical horizon. There's more out there than metal (and Korn and Cannibal Corpse are very bad metal), songwriting is a skill, rapping is a skill (it's not talking, by calling rapping talking you're insulting every beat poet that ever lived), DJing is a skill, tell me you can do anything The Bomb Squad can do and I call bull shit, producing is a skill, etc. On December 11 2010 22:39 agarangu wrote: This is how hard it is to sing Hip-hop + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgX-NCNakpo And this + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYT3J97k3-I + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj2Zf9tlg2Y Are you that naive? Try this: + Show Spoiler + I'd like to see you write something with a rhyme scheme that complex and then perform it without looking like an idiot. Really, how many notes you can play in a second on a guitar does not equate to musical skill, get over yourself. | ||
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MewDuB
United States10 Posts
On December 12 2010 02:28 r3z3nd3 wrote: I don't. I'm with you on this. Al though I just recently got hooked on Dubstep | ||
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LaLLsc2
United States502 Posts
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Gentlebite
United States132 Posts
I listen to everything from rap/hiphop to RnB, to Metal, hell even classical, to plain instrumentals of things, maybe some country here and there, international music from Europe and Asia... It depends on the quality of the song and artist than the genre itself IMO I dislike how people stick to one genre then have a elitist view on other kinds of music, every genre deserves respect on their own contributions to the music world | ||
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Contagious
United States1319 Posts
cause music like this is too dope. I like all walks of hip hop, but lately since this cd came out I have been listening to it a lot. Kid Cudi's new CD isn't as good as his last one, but it's still very good, especially when he teams up with people like Cage. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
On December 12 2010 17:28 LaLLsc2 wrote: Hate is bad word. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWYITLe8gwo i love this song so much <3 | ||
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Monasou
United States218 Posts
Often times in music history there are rappers that don't even write their own music. There is a job market for lyricists. You can look on the back of any album and actually see who wrote the songs, or perhaps those people wouldn't want to be mentioned because the rappers credit would go down. Just saying, that these jobs exist means that it takes 1/2 the skill out of being a rapper. With that being said, voice synthesizers give these people mansions. There is no skill in making your voice auto-tuned. There just isn't. On the other hand. Playing an instrument that takes years to master on a tempo of 1/64 is a mastery. Rap does not compete. Lets just say these rappers DO in fact write their own music and lyrics. Okay. In metal and any other genre has to actually PLAY the notes to make their song. Rappers can just be like. Yo. Dawg. I want the drums to be like this. And I want the guitar to do this. Bands actually have to play that shit. TL;DR Rap doesn't require any collaboration, nor the proficiency of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. Most rap stars don't speak full sentences anyway. Metal is better, because there is a mastery of a skill. An art. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On December 13 2010 02:45 Monasou wrote: + Show Spoiler + Here is how I look at it. Often times in music history there are rappers that don't even write their own music. There is a job market for lyricists. You can look on the back of any album and actually see who wrote the songs, or perhaps those people wouldn't want to be mentioned because the rappers credit would go down. Just saying, that these jobs exist means that it takes 1/2 the skill out of being a rapper. With that being said, voice synthesizers give these people mansions. There is no skill in making your voice auto-tuned. There just isn't. On the other hand. Playing an instrument that takes years to master on a tempo of 1/64 is a mastery. Rap does not compete. Lets just say these rappers DO in fact write their own music and lyrics. Okay. In metal and any other genre has to actually PLAY the notes to make their song. Rappers can just be like. Yo. Dawg. I want the drums to be like this. And I want the guitar to do this. Bands actually have to play that shit. TL;DR Rap doesn't require any collaboration, nor the proficiency of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. Most rap stars don't speak full sentences anyway. Metal is better, because there is a mastery of a skill. An art. Yeah some really good points here. Operatic singers, for example, are basically no better than menial laborers (or rappers, yuck) because they don't require proficiency of the english language. They could just come in singing an english opera and shit son, they DIDN'T EVEN WRITE THE LYRICS THEMSELVES. They could just be singing in english with the phonetic pronunciations all written out for them... What the shit man. Even people working at Subway need to be able to ask you if you want your sub toasted. | ||
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ThE_ShiZ
United States143 Posts
From a drumming perspective, technicality has a lot to do with not ""what" you play, but "how" you play it. I was watching a Born of Osiris video and some kid was telling me their drummer was more technical and creative than the drummers I mentioned. I mean, all this kid was doing was thrash beats, blast beats and double bass. He couldn't hold a stick to Jojo Mayer, Aaron Spears, or Dennis Chambers, who are all faster and have better technique/creative dynamics. They can keep very technical pockets, and if you ask the BOI drummer to play a Mars Volta track he wouldn't even have proper hi-hat technique. The point of drumming technique is to draw out the full sound from a drum kit. Sure, Gadd's sticking is simple, but you'll never get the songs to sound like he does. His finesse is unmatched. | ||
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Robellicose
England245 Posts
I would suggest that the main reason hiphop and current pop music having the popularity they have is because they are widely acceptable songs. Popular music is pretty much governed by radio stations (especially in the UK) and one of the key tenets for a song to be broadcast on a radio station that wants to attract listeners is that it doesn't put people off. Metal, mathcore etc. are all polarising genres of music and as such are less favoured on radio and thus tend to be heard less. This would obviously have knock on effects as fewer people are exposed to (and therefore start to enjoy) these genres of music. As a kid my parents tended to have radio 4 or radio 2 on a lot, so I was always listening to older pop songs and so on, but when a kid in school played me a song off the AC/DC album Back in Black my musical tastes were changed forever. | ||
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GP
United States1056 Posts
On December 13 2010 02:45 Monasou wrote: Here is how I look at it. Often times in music history there are rappers that don't even write their own music. There is a job market for lyricists. You can look on the back of any album and actually see who wrote the songs, or perhaps those people wouldn't want to be mentioned because the rappers credit would go down. Just saying, that these jobs exist means that it takes 1/2 the skill out of being a rapper. With that being said, voice synthesizers give these people mansions. There is no skill in making your voice auto-tuned. There just isn't. On the other hand. Playing an instrument that takes years to master on a tempo of 1/64 is a mastery. Rap does not compete. Lets just say these rappers DO in fact write their own music and lyrics. Okay. In metal and any other genre has to actually PLAY the notes to make their song. Rappers can just be like. Yo. Dawg. I want the drums to be like this. And I want the guitar to do this. Bands actually have to play that shit. TL;DR Rap doesn't require any collaboration, nor the proficiency of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. Most rap stars don't speak full sentences anyway. Metal is better, because there is a mastery of a skill. An art. I'm sorry, you've just proven that you don't know anything about hip-hop. With broad sweeping generalizations like "Rap doesn't require any collaboration, nor the proficiency of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. Most rap stars don't speak full sentences anyway. " which are completely untrue if you know anything about hip-hop, and just secure your ignorance. To not accept it as art is your opinion, but I think it's a pretty close-minded opinion. I think you should do yourself a favor and actually investigate how producers actually make their music, rather than make idiotic generalizations based off of what you see on MTV. I assure you that producing a hip-hop song is nothing like "yo dawg I want the drums to sound like dis" To say there's no skill mastery in hip-hop is not only wrong but completely naive. Go listen to the Roots and tell me there's no instrumental mastery. Did you know Dr. Dre incorporated live instrumentation into his productions? Have you ever tried using a turntable and mixer? It's incredibly complex and difficult to master.Have you ever been in a recording studio? It's much more complex than playing a couple of power chords on a guitar I assure you that most rap artists write their own lyrics, the only rapper that has a ghost writer that I'm aware of is The Game, and he's pretty shitty anyway. If you're getting most of your "facts" from the mainstream maybe you should take a step back and look at the grand scheme, not the tiny sliver of the art form that is commercial based. 50 Cent and T-Pain are hip-hop's Disturbed and Nickelback. They're terrible mainstream acts that don't make art, but only make music for furthering their wealth and the wealth of a bunch of fat white guys in suits wiping their asses with hundred dollar bills in executive bathrooms. | ||
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Danzepol
United States211 Posts
there are no emotions that one might construe poorly, you either enjoy what the rapper has to say, or you don't. people like that simplicity. | ||
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Dr.Lettuce
United Kingdom663 Posts
Put it this way, I'd rather listen to this than any metal song posted in this thread. I used to be a huge metal fan, but honestly I got so bored of it. It's not for me. Why the hell are you insulting each others preferences? That's like insulting someone for playing starcraft while you play counter-strike... Music is so open, and it has so many values in different genres that everyone can find something they enjoy or can identify with. Just find what you enjoy and listen to it... it's really not hard. | ||
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? The problem I see in metal is that they don't really put much effort in the lyrical part of the song. The talent/skill is there but there isn't much rhythm to it. They are a bands that do both but most of the genre just feels like a symphony that is disorganized. As for rap most of it is just utter trash, it was amazing when they wrote about political/social issues but I don't care for their money/bitches/or their grillz There is still great music out there I just feel the majority of the good music thrives in other genre's where money is harder to make. | ||
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Blyadischa
419 Posts
Hip-hop and rap don't really have any aesthetic or visceral appeal to me. There is usually one beat created by artificial devices, and no harmony. The lyrical content is usually simple and about brutish/buffoonish things (pussy weed money, i shoot niggas, bitches suck my dick, i make money, or if you're eminem, i'm a pussy, i was mean to my mom and wife, my life is full of sorrow, etc.). | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
Rap and hip-hop have no meaning to me, since almost all of it is vaguely about love. I think there was a chart about the average scores of some students versus the genres and artists they listed on their facebook pages. Not saying that means anything. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On December 13 2010 02:45 Monasou wrote: TL;DR Rap doesn't require any collaboration, nor the proficiency of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. rofl | ||
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
Real talk. | ||
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FortuneSyn
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Mjolnir
912 Posts
I think the problem in this thread is that the people who are complaining about rap and hip-hop are complaining about popular, top-40, stuff-you-hear-on-the-radio, rap and hip-hop. That stuff is crap. Just like top-40 alternative, rock, etc. that you hear on the radio is likely crap as well. Why is that particular brand so popular? Same fucking reason Perez Hilton, Paris Hilton, the Kardashians, Jersey Shore and whatever else pop-culture vomits up is popular. It's easy. It's trite. It takes little effort to dissect (if there's even anything to dissect) and it speaks to the most basic, trivial, values of the lowest-common denominator. Is all rap and hip hop like that? No. Do other genres of music fall into the same trap? Yes. So why is rap and hip-hop taking the flak? Personally, I think it's because: a) it's great in a dance club - which is where that sound, message, and vapidity is most at home. b) it's usually really catchy and easy to follow. c) it's wallpaper. It doesn't engage you because there's little to no depth in what you get on the radio. Again, I'll say this goes for any "shit" music. Any artist, any genre. Unfortunately "bad" rap and hip-hop is becoming more and more prevalent because it's been tagged to a "movement" or "youth culture" and marketed like crazy... and when something is marketed balls-out it almost always loses what made it great. So, like the 90s pissed away grunge and industrial; and the 80s shit all over metal; and the 70s stomped out prog-rock; etc. etc. So too are the '10s destroying rap and hip-hop. Which is why some hate it while others cling to the small groups or artists who haven't lost sight of what it's all about, and therefore still think rap and hip-hop is the bomb. | ||
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Stimpk
France165 Posts
Everybody knows there are both shit and genius in every music genre. Just listen what you like. Besides, I'm not sure everybody likes hip hop/rap now. May depend on the country, but most of people I encountered are into pop / poprock / metal. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
What's annoying are some of the people listening to (mainstream) hiphop and their attitude, especially the younger ones. The 15-20 y/o wannabe thugs on the bus, train or elsewhere with their stereo mobile phones playing ridiculously bad hiphop so loud everyone can hear it - those make me go "gaaah, hiphop SUCKS" even though I know it's not alright to judge the whole genre based on that. You don't see that behaviour from young metalheads or techno/trance listeners, who may be annoying in their own way, but aren't nearly as present and numerous as the former ones. | ||
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Laerties
United States361 Posts
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news
892 Posts
On December 13 2010 16:53 Shockk wrote: The worst part about hiphop/rap isn't the music - which is a matter of taste anyway. I prefer metal and electro, but there are several rap/hiphop songs I enjoy and I wouldn't claim that those are "inferior" kinds of music. What's annoying are some of the people listening to (mainstream) hiphop and their attitude, especially the younger ones. The 15-20 y/o wannabe thugs on the bus, train or elsewhere with their stereo mobile phones playing ridiculously bad hiphop so loud everyone can hear it - those make me go "gaaah, hiphop SUCKS" even though I know it's not alright to judge the whole genre based on that. You don't see that behaviour from young metalheads or techno/trance listeners, who may be annoying in their own way, but aren't nearly as present and numerous as the former ones. US is really different in this regard, you know how you can pretty much spot a hip-hop junkie in Germany by the way he looks and walks, in the US literally everyone gives a listen to hip-hop and it doesn't really change the way they dress and act. But huge percentage of people still listens to old school metal/rock music as well, many radio stations spin it 24/7. USA in general tolerates all kinds of music. | ||
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number1gog
United States1081 Posts
I'm glad that the Dirty South style is finally starting to die out, though I'm still not sure where I stand on Lil Wayne and his style. Eminem's return seems to have a good effect on the quality of song out now (artists seem to be stepping up their shit hoping to get Em featured on one of their tracks), Kanye's new stuff is great, Jay-Z I've always seen as a good influence to the style, and thank god Snoop and Dre are still making music. I know we'll never be able to go back to the days when Kurupt and the Ruff Ryders and Tupac were on the radio, but now that dudes like Petey Pablo and Jarule have gone away, I can finally listen to hip hop radio stations again. Also, it helps that modern rock is so godawful. Here in SoCal, KROQ 106.7 used to be the only thing my radio was ever tuned to, but now..... dear god. If only we could get rid of Nikki Minaj.... her verses sound like something I could have wrote in High School. | ||
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fredd
Estonia256 Posts
tell me this isn't art also i hope this thread is the result of sc2 players, cause otherwise i've lost faith in teamliquid | ||
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news
892 Posts
On December 14 2010 01:45 fredd wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAxgpHWtLC0 tell me this isn't art also i hope this thread is the result of sc2 players, cause otherwise i've lost faith in teamliquid + Show Spoiler + In the silence of the darkness when all are fast asleep I live inside a dream calling to your spirit As a sail calls the wind, hear the angels sing Far beyond the sun across the western sky Reach into the blackness find a silver line In a voice I whisper a candle in the night We'll carry all our dreams in a single beam of light Close your eyes, look into the dream Winds of change will winds of fortune bring Fly away to a rainbow in the sky gold is at the end for each of us to find There the road begins where another one will end Here the four winds know who will break and who will bend All to be the master of the wind Falling stars now light my way My life was written on the wind Clouds above, clouds below High ascend the dreams within When the wind fills the sky the clouds will move aside And there will be the road to all our dreams For any day that stings two better days it brings Nothing is as bad as it seems Close your eyes, look into the dream Wins of change will winds of fortune bring Fly away to a rainbow in the sky gold is at the end for each of us to find There the road begins where another one will end Here the four winds know who will break and who will bend All to be the master of the wind It is art indeed. Art is a weird animal. This thread isn't about art, it's about why hip-hop rather than metal. Hah nice edit. I guess you removed the lyrics because they contained 'Gs thrown on Ds'? Wasn't that bad to tell the truth. | ||
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MrShank
Canada144 Posts
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Unifex
United States68 Posts
The fashion around rap is also quite exquisite and a true testament to the class and allure of our times. Clearly showing off oversized fake diamonds and your underwear is the only way to prove that you are respectable fellow worthy of the ladies attention. | ||
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SONE
Canada839 Posts
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MiniTsunami
United States274 Posts
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fredd
Estonia256 Posts
On December 14 2010 01:52 News wrote: i removed them cause i already posted the song earlier in the thread and forgot about it, but yeah, those lyrics are poetry and true as fuck. why would I remove something for speaking the truth? yeah mainstream hiphop/rap is shit, G's thrown on D's, but so is every other mainstream genre. it's stupid how people generalize. there's just as many genius underground artists / mc's that actually play guitar / instruments WHILE rapping as there are 50 cents in the mainstream. it's just that most people will never discover them.+ Show Spoiler + In the silence of the darkness when all are fast asleep I live inside a dream calling to your spirit As a sail calls the wind, hear the angels sing Far beyond the sun across the western sky Reach into the blackness find a silver line In a voice I whisper a candle in the night We'll carry all our dreams in a single beam of light Close your eyes, look into the dream Winds of change will winds of fortune bring Fly away to a rainbow in the sky gold is at the end for each of us to find There the road begins where another one will end Here the four winds know who will break and who will bend All to be the master of the wind Falling stars now light my way My life was written on the wind Clouds above, clouds below High ascend the dreams within When the wind fills the sky the clouds will move aside And there will be the road to all our dreams For any day that stings two better days it brings Nothing is as bad as it seems Close your eyes, look into the dream Wins of change will winds of fortune bring Fly away to a rainbow in the sky gold is at the end for each of us to find There the road begins where another one will end Here the four winds know who will break and who will bend All to be the master of the wind It is art indeed. Art is a weird animal. This thread isn't about art, it's about why hip-hop rather than metal. Hah nice edit. I guess you removed the lyrics because they contained 'Gs thrown on Ds'? Wasn't that bad to tell the truth. guess i'll repost. someone once said that there's rappers who rap about bitches and money, then there's MC's who rap about rappers rapping about bitches and money. it's kind of true, really. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4XrSHK9dp4 + Show Spoiler + I heard you had a voice like an angel I heard a strange tale About a saint that fell Music became jail These bars I hear you wrapped in 'em Wove in the beats Like the clothing of sheep Wolves tracks - spin 'em Cd's dj's c-notes g's thrown on d's we'll be kings like T.I hope I heard you even sang when you spoke And the emotion you evoked got you choked When your beauty struck a vocal chord broke Boatless dove overboard Look upon the ocean Caught your reflection before the lord's I heard you had a voice like an angel Strange though You were blinded by the light shining from your own halo fell off sort like a rainbow when heaven watched your faint glow fade slow I heard you had a voice like an angel... I heard that fame's a killer that can murder great Princes like Kurt Cobain singing Purple Rain From a distance Hope home ain't a virtual game Nor this cursed place earth Where the dollars and the karma don't circulate The world's a stage And you know this play well Gee I bet you even know how it ends, pray tell Had a voice like an angel, now you score the drama scenes The comedy's the fact We enact what you want to be Had some old songs still stuck in your memory Distorted though So you sort of re-assembled melodies And fine-tuning turned them into single after single In this industry you built so sinfully simple for You to write cuz, a song is what your life was The destiny of stars is their light must Fight dusk With sparks of brilliance to ignite us And of all the billions of stars You were by far the brightest I heard you had a voice like an angel Now its just a light hush... Now you keep everybodys eyes on charts and schedules And the trends trying to stack gold bars and medals They want vessels void and dark as space Fools wanna make stars instead of music that's smart or special Because art at a level that's real can be harder to peddle Business prefers a market that settles for second rate Kill the true artists martyr the rebels That's the system and its straight from the heart of the devil See merchants of dreams sold to souls eyes-wide shut Passin the buck to purchase a pass to buy stuff Workin in this circus get hired up To walk over have-knots on a tight rope Tied up in my gut It's a delicate balance Developin talent Into persons that we worship Yo, it's a hell of a challenge I heard you had a voice like an angel You don't really sing no more But you still running the game so If you don't behave like them They call you crazy And if you wont slave for them They call you lazy Lately Ive started to see why you hate me Hearin' this voice it must be painful To the ears when for years You had a voice like an angel If you don't behave like them They call you crazy And if you wont slave for them They call you lazy Well I say... They wanna take your mind Turn it into a prison Lock you inside Then they call that livin' Well I say... (x2) Smile for the camera Smile for the camera While they take your children Smile for the camera While we rape your women Smile for the camera While we make our millions Smile for the camera While they make their billions Smile for the camera Smile for the camera Smile for the camera... | ||
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
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Broodie
Canada832 Posts
ill do this later but provide the youtube link if possible Im on me phonics There really shouldnt be any arguments here since the ones ive read are unnecessarily defensive and provokative to a stupid degree. If youre not gonna have an intelligent discussion (theres none here) than please dont post ive made a lot of types of music they are all equal in relativity to the difficulty of composition i find metal a bit more challenging but thats because you have to collaborate with many others while in my hiphop and electronic experience ive had a lot of self composition which is easier personally. If you complain aboot lyrical content of rap, dont post. You obviously havent dug deep into the underground scene I am justin, a pure metalhead defending rap and hiphop to a degree. I will not defend mainstream media though but my link will be born of osiris and dre | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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Garamor
Canada22 Posts
In relation to metal there's a few differences. Due to the huge amount of genres of metal, you can't really categorize all of metal to be one thing. Some metal might focus on melodic riffs which can really set the tone for a song, while other songs are focused onto more monotonous riffs. Both can be equally catchy, depending on the ear listening to them. As for music generally accepted by the public, it's typically the metal that is just growling and sounds like absolute garbage(sorry, but I'm being opinionated here) with no melodic flow or any regards to some kind of timings that is shone light upon. That's what metal is associated with, and that's what turns most people away from listening to it in the first place. | ||
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RivetHead
United States842 Posts
one of my favorite hip hop songs ever. RZA one of the few producers in hip hop who can create true musical art. Wu tang clan is probably my favorite group in Hip hop by far. Windir - Fagning IMHO the greatest black metal band of all time and its not even close. Valfar was a true genius the like of which comes along very rarely in any artform, and its a tragedy that he died so young right when it seemed Windir was gonna change everything. This song is great, but it might take a while to grown on you. If you listen from 4:20 until the end of the song when the song to me enters the realm of perfection and can be compared to any great classical song, rock song, hip hop or whatever song ever made. | ||
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Trite
United States6 Posts
"When you first put on a song, do you hear the lyrics or the music first?" If you hear the lyrics before the music, you are likely to enjoy hip hop. If you hear the music before you hear the lyrics, you are likely to like metal more. The people that hear music before the lyrics will likely hate hip hop because there is no tone to song. The beats are meant to support the voice and the lyrics are the main focus. Meanwhile, people that like hip hop wont enjoy metal because the lyrics are typically either too pretentious to clearly understand or are not very enjoyable (talking about death/the devils/etc.). The whole point with metal is that the lyrics are supposed to act as an extra instrument that is in tune with the rest of the music. Anyways, My taste in music changes monthly. I enjoy almost all types of rock/metal and a few hip hop groups. I really like Funk music so it blends in well between the two genres. As of right now I've been listening to ISIS and The Secret Chiefs 3 the most. | ||
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fredd
Estonia256 Posts
On December 14 2010 05:00 Trite wrote: There is a lot of hate on this thread for something that is trivial. There is a simple question to ask yourself for why someone likes either metal or hip hop: "When you first put on a song, do you hear the lyrics or the music first?" If you hear the lyrics before the music, you are likely to enjoy hip hop. If you hear the music before you hear the lyrics, you are likely to like metal more. The people that hear music before the lyrics will likely hate hip hop because there is no tone to song. The beats are meant to support the voice and the lyrics are the main focus. Meanwhile, people that like hip hop wont enjoy metal because the lyrics are typically either too pretentious to clearly understand or are not very enjoyable (talking about death/the devils/etc.). The whole point with metal is that the lyrics are supposed to act as an extra instrument that is in tune with the rest of the music. Anyways, My taste in music changes monthly. I enjoy almost all types of rock/metal and a few hip hop groups. I really like Funk music so it blends in well between the two genres. As of right now I've been listening to ISIS and The Secret Chiefs 3 the most. i listen to music first and still enjoy hip-hop over metal, along with 20th century romantic, jazz, blues, idm, dub etc. so there goes your theory.. | ||
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Trite
United States6 Posts
On December 14 2010 05:06 fredd wrote: i listen to music first and still enjoy hip-hop over metal, along with 20th century romantic, jazz, blues, idm, dub etc. so there goes your theory.. Well hip-hop and metal are obviously not the only genres of music in the world. I brought up the two because that was the main focus. Jazz would be the most prevalent for putting music over lyrics so the concept still stands. | ||
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LaLLsc2
United States502 Posts
On December 14 2010 05:00 Trite wrote: There is a lot of hate on this thread for something that is trivial. I was thinking the same thing. This thread seems to attract jealous / pretentious people. | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
On December 10 2010 18:27 positron. wrote: ok let me sum up the content of all the hip hop/rap songs I have heard recently: 1) partying. 2) alcohol 3) sex 4) booty There are a few exceptions but that is pretty much it. Wow way to speak without having any knowledge whatsoever on hip-hop. Oh and people like Kid Cudi, Kanye West, Eminem, etc are seriously overrated imo. They used to be great but they are way past their prime. Tons of good hip-hop music out there. Many of you guys are just not looking hard enough. | ||
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justle
United States174 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? It's about empowerment. Since you don't listen to or enjoy Hip Hop, obviously this is something that you don't understand. It's the equivalent of getting adrenaline rushes when listening to Metal-- Hip Hop is all about the luxury you've worked hard for (clothes, cars, money, women, substances, etc.) and that you're better than everyone else for having them. People like Hip Hop because it makes them feel empowered. I listen to Rock (lots of subgenres) primarily, though I really enjoy some Hip Hop artists. Open your mind a little bit and try to understand why people enjoy things that you might not enjoy, it can only help you in the long run. Posting on TL.net is a good start, but you are approaching it critically by saying "just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone." In that regard, metal is just the same chords with a faster tempo, with solos that are just sped up scales. They are far more talented than I am for being able to put it all together in a composition that people want to listen to. | ||
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bjornkavist
Canada1235 Posts
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LaLLsc2
United States502 Posts
On December 14 2010 05:41 justle wrote: It's about empowerment. Since you don't listen to or enjoy Hip Hop, obviously this is something that you don't understand. It's the equivalent of getting adrenaline rushes when listening to Metal-- Hip Hop is all about the luxury you've worked hard for (clothes, cars, money, women, substances, etc.) and that you're better than everyone else for having them. People like Hip Hop because it makes them feel empowered. I listen to Rock (lots of subgenres) primarily, though I really enjoy some Hip Hop artists. Open your mind a little bit and try to understand why people enjoy things that you might not enjoy, it can only help you in the long run. Posting on TL.net is a good start, but you are approaching it critically by saying "just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone." In that regard, metal is just the same chords with a faster tempo, with solos that are just sped up scales. They are far more talented than I am for being able to put it all together in a composition that people want to listen to. Correction, thats why people like mainstream RAP. Hip hop, the good stuff, prides itself on being a better person. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On December 14 2010 05:41 justle wrote: It's about empowerment. Since you don't listen to or enjoy Hip Hop, obviously this is something that you don't understand. It's the equivalent of getting adrenaline rushes when listening to Metal-- Hip Hop is all about the luxury you've worked hard for (clothes, cars, money, women, substances, etc.) and that you're better than everyone else for having them. People like Hip Hop because it makes them feel empowered. I don't listen to trashy gangster rap. Which is what you completely described. To me hip-hop is about life in general, funny situations, hard times, not money bitches and clothes. Please don't describe an entire genre by sayings its all about luxury, thats just disgusting. | ||
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mcbrite
Germany229 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Stopped reading right there... What a bunch of bullshit... | ||
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BROotogy
Eritrea149 Posts
On December 14 2010 05:59 mcbrite wrote: Stopped reading right there... What a bunch of bullshit... Exactly. How much skill it takes to make something =/= how enjoyable it is to listen to something | ||
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
Making vast generalized statements is the reason why you dont understand. I know some metal songs that are all about devil worship and talk about death and depressing shit, does that mean all metal is like that? If so I hate metal and think it's dumb and no one else should listen too it either imo...... See how stupid that sounds? | ||
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ToxNub
Canada805 Posts
that includes popular metal. Generally the more you get into any music, the more you find you enjoy bands/djs nobody has ever heard of. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
"I don't like popular music; here's an obscure/out of style/old type of music that I do like." | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On December 14 2010 06:37 cz wrote: I didn't read any of this thread, but I'm guessing every post can be summarized as "I don't like popular music; here's an obscure/out of style/old type of music that I do like." Alot of it is, which I don't understand. Where did the sense of, "its well known therefore it sucks" come from. | ||
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koreasilver
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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
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NeonFlare
Finland1307 Posts
Also some things might require a gateway songs or getting used to, the first time I heard some songs I couldn't stand them, yet after a while giving some of them another chance they didn't sound half as bad, as understanding the layout, style etc. made them feel more fitting for their genre. A bit off-topic, but have you ever heard a song that you thought was pretty good or even great but felt like it could have been tweaked a bit to make it excellent? | ||
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adamb111
27 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=eminem till i collapse&aq=f ______________________________ I can imagine they love it now for the same reason they loved it before; anything your thinking can be said. express yourself. that's it. you got a problem with someone, love someone, hate someone, want to change the world, want to show off the bling; whatevever. | ||
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TheGrimace
United States929 Posts
On December 14 2010 11:21 Lorken wrote: I just heard the perfect example of the declining standards of "Good" music, this song was number 14 on the NZ chart I just saw. I hope we can all agree it is crap .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSSec0wbBs4 Seriously? You cite a Cee Lo Green song that is censored, for whatever reason, as a decline in the quality of good music? Do you know who Cee Lo Green is? Listen to the actual release, not the sped up censored version. That's how the song is supposed to be. Slower, raw, real. That was the worst possible example you could have pulled. Cee Lo is real soul. That's where it is. He's a sign of good times. Listen to the man's story and his previous works. For those who don't know, this is also one of the men (with Danger Mouse) behind Gnarls Barkley. Edit: Hell, go back to the Goodie Mob days. This man has felt pain and he's singing it. That is what music is supposed to be. It isn't some physical stunt. It isn't generated. He is putting himself out there. This man is an inspiration. | ||
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PanzerKing
United States483 Posts
On December 14 2010 13:20 TheGrimace wrote: Seriously? You cite a Cee Lo Green song that is censored, for whatever reason, as a decline in the quality of good music? Do you know who Cee Lo Green is? Listen to the actual release, not the sped up censored version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU That's how the song is supposed to be. Slower, raw, real. That was the worst possible example you could have pulled. Cee Lo is real soul. That's where it is. He's a sign of good times. Listen to the man's story and his previous works. For those who don't know, this is also one of the men (with Danger Mouse) behind Gnarls Barkley. Edit: Hell, go back to the Goodie Mob days. This man has felt pain and he's singing it. That is what music is supposed to be. It isn't some physical stunt. It isn't generated. He is putting himself out there. This man is an inspiration. Seconded - Cee Lo is an incredible talent, and I can't imagine that Lorken's criticism is based on any serious analysis of his work. | ||
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PanzerKing
United States483 Posts
On December 14 2010 13:20 TheGrimace wrote: Seriously? You cite a Cee Lo Green song that is censored, for whatever reason, as a decline in the quality of good music? Do you know who Cee Lo Green is? Listen to the actual release, not the sped up censored version. That's how the song is supposed to be. Slower, raw, real. That was the worst possible example you could have pulled. Cee Lo is real soul. That's where it is. He's a sign of good times. Listen to the man's story and his previous works. For those who don't know, this is also one of the men (with Danger Mouse) behind Gnarls Barkley. Edit: Hell, go back to the Goodie Mob days. This man has felt pain and he's singing it. That is what music is supposed to be. It isn't some physical stunt. It isn't generated. He is putting himself out there. This man is an inspiration. Seconded - Cee Lo is an incredible talent, and I can't imagine that Lorken's criticism is based on any serious analysis of his work. | ||
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son1dow
Lithuania322 Posts
Not every discussion is useless if you're unable to see the value in it. Some students spend many hours learning and discussing technical differences of music, why wouldn't we be allowed to have a discussion too? Not that you could do it without a decent "crap-filter" here heh. | ||
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Twitches
Canada365 Posts
On January 19 2011 06:40 son1dow wrote: Not every discussion is useless if you're unable to see the value in it. Some students spend many hours learning and discussing technical differences of music, why wouldn't we be allowed to have a discussion too? Not that you could do it without a decent "crap-filter" here heh. Great post and I feel the same way. I kind of hoped that this would be a better topic, but I guess I knew better. Regarding the OP, I'm a metal musician... Do I think it takes more skill to play metal? No... I don't. We all have our tastes in music.. and how much "skill" goes into it should matter not. Now what I don't understand is why discussing this topic generates so many harsh opinions and ridiculous arguments. Why is it so hard to not like more then one form of music for so many people? | ||
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
or some downtempo electronic like Bluetech, everyone loves Bluetech :-) | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
Some fantastic songs, some horrid ones. | ||
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EdSlyB
Portugal1621 Posts
I'm proud of myself for listening and enjoying almost every style of music out there as long it has quality (i.e. it is GOOD music). People have to broad out their horizons. Don't listen only to what MTV spams. I'll give you a tiny example: Listen to this and if you by chance don't like or think it isn't quality music then I can say with all my heart that there is no hope for you. | ||
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DerNebel
Denmark648 Posts
But sometimes I wish we had even a single rap performer in a radius of 50 kilometers from my city, but all we get is cover bands and prog-rock/metal. I am a rock guy myself but variety never hurt anyone, and our "scene" looks more like a joke than anything else. Sure, we have a couple of techno enthusiasts, but the most they get is the rare club job and interludes between rock bands, when noone is paying attention anyway. IMMEDIATE EDIT: Go listen to Jay-Z (just one song is enough). Then check out Jedi Mind Tricks and say that all hip-hop is the same. "Trail of Lies" in particular, because I like that song :D | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On January 19 2011 07:06 slappy wrote: i thought people didn't listen to rap anymore unless they were in high school? Like how only old people listen to classical, texans listen to country, and kids only listen to pop, yeah, you really thought that one out didn't you. | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
On January 19 2011 07:18 EdSlyB wrote: Well. The big problem isn't why are people so much into rap and hip-pop. The main issue is why don't people listen to more than rap and hip-pop. I'm proud of myself for listening and enjoying almost every style of music out there as long it has quality (i.e. it is GOOD music). People have to broad out their horizons. Don't listen only to what MTV spams. I'll give you a tiny example: Listen to this and if you by chance don't like or think it isn't quality music then I can say with all my heart that there is no hope for you. + Show Spoiler + I think you're gonna find that, unless someone's actually played in an orchestra, they fail to understand the amount of practice/effort that goes into concert performances. I did all-state, all-county from middle school through high school, on top of youth orchestra for 2 of those years. Every year, that meant beating out tons of my peers for the few spots in those bands/orchestras. Looking back on it now, I'm amazed at the amount of time I put into it - all for the love music. Seriously the chances of a non-musician truly understanding what goes into it - I just don't think that kind of experience can be replaced. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
In all seriousness, I don't get where this impression comes from. Rap gets some air play, but it's usually the kind that people like to groove/dance to. And rarely ever make it that high on top music lists. And if people do like a rap song it's rarely for the rapping (has a catchy beat). | ||
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
The rap that hits mainstream is generally heavy bass and beats, catchy hooks and that's it. They are merging more into a dance/rap/hip hop type of scenario, and getting those air play hits, club bangers, and such, that's what keeps getting made, much like what Ownos is saying. Record companies go with what works. If they can get away with teenybopper music, mixed with club anthems and the like, that's what they're going to shoot for. Unlike stuff like this - - where not a lot of people latch on. Some people want lyrics to consider a song good, some people are content with certain musical characteristics, and some just attach the artists themselves, regardless of what is produced. | ||
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UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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Empress
Canada29 Posts
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Divine-Sneaker
Denmark1225 Posts
This also applies to basically all pop music, so don't take it as utter hate against the genre/s, but I really dislike it for many reasons. There are of course exceptions to the rule though. | ||
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Psychopomp
United States237 Posts
To say that, for example, you like Led Zeppelin better than The Ramones because you like their style better is fine. To say that you like Led Zeppelin better than The Ramones because Jimmy Page had more technical skill is treating music like a sport. | ||
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Brambled
United States750 Posts
People who limit themselves to only one style of music aren't living life. Only music I can't stand is slow sad country/r&b stuff. Can't stand boring depressing stuff lol | ||
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uiCk
Canada1925 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
just...talking into a microphone My god... Yeah rap is just talking into a microphone. Exactly the same way that rock is just mashing some guitar strings, and art is just chucking paint at a canvas. | ||
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uiCk
Canada1925 Posts
(song really starts at 33sec) | ||
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
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DerNebel
Denmark648 Posts
On January 24 2011 03:14 T0fuuu wrote: Lol. OP asks why do people only listen to hip hop NOW and lists current artists he listens to that debuted like 10 years ago. Living in a bubble I guess. This is so true it's sad for so many people. If you want to listen to metal, at least support the newer bands. If you don't, you are contributing more to the death of the genre than people who simply don't do the stuff. I can't count the times I've found some awesome up-and-coming band and showed it to my friends, only to get the response: "Nah, I don't like newer rock.". It is so frustrating, because they never buy a record or goes to a concert except for a 1-in-3-years big classic rock concert. -.- | ||
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annYeong(o11)
Canada784 Posts
And why does everyone care what everyone else listens to? Just enjoy your genre(s) of choice and let others enjoy their's. There isn't a right answer so they aren't "wrong" and you're not "right". I'm tell you about one my my new favourite groups that took awhile to win me over, but I'm glad that they did: Das Racist. On the surface, it sounds exactly the same as a lot of rap (for better or for worse, you're call) but the lyricism, the tongue in cheek references to pop culture, and other rap artists. I would reccommend them if you've lost hope in hip hop. | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
On January 19 2011 07:18 EdSlyB wrote: Well. The big problem isn't why are people so much into rap and hip-pop. The main issue is why don't people listen to more than rap and hip-pop. I'm proud of myself for listening and enjoying almost every style of music out there as long it has quality (i.e. it is GOOD music). People have to broad out their horizons. Don't listen only to what MTV spams. I'll give you a tiny example: Listen to this and if you by chance don't like or think it isn't quality music then I can say with all my heart that there is no hope for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwZAkfLKK8 i personally think its a bit strange to think people can be judged just by liking or disliking this song of yours... but i kind of agree that if you cannot realise there is quality in this music and cannot imagine people enjoying this, are probably extremely ignorant. And btw about the song itself, i think its pretty good and it's funny to see all the really different kinds of ppl in the orchestra :p | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 Punic wrote: i think this started with the beginning of opinions and the decline of robotic personalities. The decline of opinions and decline of personalities, in my opinion | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
And synthesizers take a lot of creativity to use. Example? La Roux | ||
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Plaxy
57 Posts
Kids usually prefer to hear songs about feelings and emotions so they can connect with the music and have a sense of identity in themselves for some lack of identity in a stable home/academic career/etc etc. With such a huge divorce rate in America it makes sense that the youth turn to computer generated music which centralizes around how people feel. Personally Metal 4 lief. Genres is so great it allowed me to finally appreciate classical music and the musician themselves. I cant understand why people cry about not being able to hear growling, let it be a musical instrument, view it as a guitar, its about the skill and creativity not trying to artificially connect with the song. | ||
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Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
On January 19 2011 07:18 EdSlyB wrote: Well. The big problem isn't why are people so much into rap and hip-pop. The main issue is why don't people listen to more than rap and hip-pop. I'm proud of myself for listening and enjoying almost every style of music out there as long it has quality (i.e. it is GOOD music). People have to broad out their horizons. Don't listen only to what MTV spams. I'll give you a tiny example: Listen to this and if you by chance don't like or think it isn't quality music then I can say with all my heart that there is no hope for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwZAkfLKK8 the main problem with orchestra music is that it is best enjoyed live and not suited for digital distribution (fail herz range) I have no problem with hiphop in principle, I can listen to some songs by eminem for example and french rap is leagues ahead of american, however I cannot understand people listening to things like akon or 50cent | ||
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stinger_ro
90 Posts
Generally speaking (which is always bad) People identify with the attitude behind the lyrics more easily nowadays. Attitude and message is a big part of the appeal of both genres (rap and metal) - also check out great rap & metal outfits . There will always be valueable artists in all genres. Also to the op - metal is very stagnant at the moment and kind of repeats the same themes. The fresh thing with hip hop (even bad pop stuff) is that themes seem current because its so lyrical and supports a narative : even when its shallow - also because it relies so heavy on sampling - it affords taking stuff from other genres to keep itself healthy - there's a lot more to this but ... delving into it is dangerous subjective stuff -that only leads to flames. @Jameser - french hip hop is more geeky the people in it are more geeky and therefore more aware of music, history, message - i love it btw; | ||
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FenneK
France1231 Posts
And why should you care? | ||
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Nazzerith
United States3 Posts
I play guitar, mostly play heavy shit, like doom, death, sludge, and black metal, but I can still appreciate good, talented hip hop. Don't close your mind so much and limit yourself to only one genre of music. Listening to good hip hop has changed my perspective on all music. If you only listen to metal, you are really missing out on some great music. Go out and listen to some other genres for a change. Download some jazz, get some hip hop, listen to some dub step or drum and bass. Different styles of music serve different purposes. Hip hop is great for chilling out too. Electronic music is perfect for gaming, or really anything that requires focus. Metal is nice when you are driving or doing something where you can focus more on the music. Don't think metal is the only genre of music that has talent. While there is quite a bit of talent in metal music, many other styles of music have artists that are just as talented. Go download Deltron 3030 and you will see what I mean. | ||
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TwoPac
United States163 Posts
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B.I.G.
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
Pop and rap and such is very bland usually so its an easier sell to the mainstream. Obviously, I prefer metal. But seriously, metal is friggin' intense a lot of the time, and has a lot more complexity to it. People would prefer to listen to the same loop over and over again with people talking over it. It's much easier to digest. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
At the height of rock, riffs and lyrics had some meaning to them. In today's world, the music industry is aimed at profitability, rather than profitability being a by-product of soulful music written by real people. | ||
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Faze.
Canada285 Posts
Double pedal > repetitive background boomboom that makes for 80% of the music. The range of different metal vocals > talking in a mic, even if they talk fast in that mic. And one last just cuz you're doing that "not so convinced" face: Headbang > bouncing your right hand while the left is groping your crotch. | ||
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c0rn1
Germany146 Posts
Never liked hippy-hop, never will. too one-sided and boring. My most fav band is Pink Floyd. Currently going through the whole beethoven collection and enjoying it very much. The harmonics and artistical side at that time by far exceed nowadays music, including metal etc. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
To answer your question, people have different music tastes. | ||
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ticktack
United Arab Emirates874 Posts
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On January 25 2011 03:27 c0rn1 wrote: Never liked hippy-hop, never will. too one-sided and boring. My most fav band is Pink Floyd. Currently going through the whole beethoven collection and enjoying it very much. The harmonics and artistical side at that time by far exceed nowadays music, including metal etc. Great song! Some Swedish chick told me to listen to it and ever since i love in flames! i listen to it at work while coding it relaxes me :D On January 19 2011 07:18 EdSlyB wrote: Well. The big problem isn't why are people so much into rap and hip-pop. The main issue is why don't people listen to more than rap and hip-pop. I'm proud of myself for listening and enjoying almost every style of music out there as long it has quality (i.e. it is GOOD music). People have to broad out their horizons. Don't listen only to what MTV spams. I'll give you a tiny example: Listen to this and if you by chance don't like or think it isn't quality music then I can say with all my heart that there is no hope for you. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwZAkfLKK8 Sure Orchestra is music but it's not good imo. Metal, Rock, Reggae, Hip Hop and allot of various styles of techno are all much better for me! | ||
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LambtrOn
United States671 Posts
On January 25 2011 02:48 Zorkmid wrote: Rap and Hip Hop is the only music these days that is REAL. At the height of rock, riffs and lyrics had some meaning to them. In today's world, the music industry is aimed at profitability, rather than profitability being a by-product of soulful music written by real people. No. That statement is incredibly ignorant. There is real music in every single genre. Sure, most genres have artists that are only in it for money, but every genre also has a ton of artists who write music because they love music. I could name a ton of non rap/hip-hop artists who make real music. | ||
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wwer
United States53 Posts
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Project Psycho
United Kingdom329 Posts
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
Glam rock - "substanceless, shallow drivel that's only about fucking groupies" Hiphop - "substanceless, shallow drivel that's all about some black dude's Lexus." I used to be a die-hard metalhead for about two years ago, I mostly appreciated technical death metal simply because of the sheer amount of time the musicians put into their riffs, solos, drums, bass, everything! It was just my kind of way of determing wether a band was good or not. (OT, but my favorite technical death metal bands are in the spoiler) + Show Spoiler + During this period I had a massive bias against hiphop, in every single way possible, it was just sheer stupidity in musical form filled with nothing but rich guys bragging about how rich they were. It was only until I read about this rapper, in my favorite metal-magazine(!) called "Necro" who got me a bit interested in hiphop. After all, this guy knew who Obituary were, and his lyrics often mimicked those of death metal artists. I gave his album "Death Rap" a shot, and was simply thwarted by his attitude, lyrics and flow. He showed me a new side to hiphop, he showed me the "underground" side of a genre I despised. And the more I thought about it, I realised that my development in metal went the same way: I detested the "popular" acts, and was simply a lot more interested in the less known acts. With my new found knowledge, I dived in to the genres underbelly, and I have never looked back. The talent these new acts display are off the wall, wether it's their flow, production, lyrics or musical talent, they constantly break new ground. Most importantly, I learned that a musician doesn't have to be able to shred like Michael Amott, growl like Reuben Rosas or drum like George Kollias to be considered a "good" musician. If you can blast around 500bpm - great for you, but if you can't write a good song or tune, you're not a good "musician" in a sense, many rappers may not be able to fulfill the instrumental part all to good, but if you use the most of your ability and seriously try with what you've got, I'll consider you a good, honest musician. This is what I've found in hiphop - the "lack" of instrumental skill is instead compensated by pure poetry, and extreme knowledge about the music you are producing. Tl;dr? You don't need to be able to know chromatic scales, or blast beats to be considered a good musician, if you don't know how to write a good song, you're not a great musician. Hiphop artist often compensate for their lack of instrumental knowledge by being able to create great beats, write great lyrics and produce their songs in a very skilled manner. Great examples below: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE1qZ94Ki2A I apologize for spelling errors, I went to sleep at around 06:25 in the morning due to an excessive amount of Morrowind. t.t | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
The OP and most of the metal fans in this topic arent being fair, comparing metal masterpieces (old metallica & slayer in the op) with the latest rap bs that came up on the radio last week. To be fair most of the metal that is being put out these days is equally as bad as the rap stuff imo. Just like metal, rap has albums that are considered defining of the genre. Those are also much, much better and essential to listen to before hating on the genre as a whole. to me both are equally as enjoyable for different reasons, depending on my mood | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44999 Posts
There are countless other types of music, some of which aren't as stereotypically disliked as either of those two genres. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On January 25 2011 04:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't understand why there's assumed to be a musical love dichotomy between rap/hip-hop and metal. There are countless other types of music, some of which aren't as stereotypically disliked as either of those two genres. I think it's just the fact that the genres are the absolute opposites to each other that causes the "hating" between the fans. | ||
Falling
Canada11369 Posts
But I've rarely limited myself to one genre. I was never just a hip-hop fan, but also of new wave, rock (prog, hard, indie), folk, ska, trance, power metal, alternative/ nu metal etc and in the last couple years yes, even heavy metal. Perhaps I'm not a 'real' fan of any of the genre, but I'll just go with whatever sounds good to me and leave the genre wars for someone else. | ||
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rza
Canada384 Posts
the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone.[QUOTE] how can you say something like that, hip hop beat are usualy made of samples played, so the people who make the beat are producer, not compositer. theres plenty of good producer out here, most of em are old now but those are the one i like the most RZA - DJ Premier - MF DOOM - The Alchemist and when it comes to lyrics, they arent talking in a mic like u said Listen to albums such as GZA - Liquid Sword Wu Tang - Enter the 36th Chamber Ghostface - Ironman Raekwon - Only Built for Cuban Lynx... (Yes, Im a Wu Head) Non Phixion - The Futur is Now after listening to these albums, u wont think the same about hip hop. - Dope beats, Razor Sharp Lyrics and flying emcees | ||
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rza
Canada384 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. how can you say something like that, hip hop beat are usualy made of samples played, so the people who make the beat are producer, not compositer. theres plenty of good producer out here, most of em are old now but those are the one i like the most RZA - DJ Premier - MF DOOM - The Alchemist and when it comes to lyrics, they arent talking in a mic like u said Listen to albums such as GZA - Liquid Sword Wu Tang - Enter the 36th Chamber Ghostface - Ironman Raekwon - Only Built for Cuban Lynx... (Yes, Im a Wu Head) Non Phixion - The Futur is Now after listening to these albums, u wont think the same about hip hop. - Dope beats, Razor Sharp Lyrics and flying emcees | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
Hip-Hop is catchy and sounds pretty damn good, I think the variety of sounds plays into the popularity because there's "something for everybody" unless you have a stuck, narrow-minded view of hip-hop representing guns, money, and hoes. Producers can sample whatever they want, or create new melodies and rhythms with their own sounds, hip-hop can take on hundreds of different sounds. There's the emo/backpack/nerd scene, local scene, gangster scene, old school, crunk/hyphy/tipsy/pickyourfavoriteword, "Trip-hop", political shit like Immortal Tech, and hardcore whiteboys like those boys from Philly (can't remember), and everything in between. There really is something for everyone, but a lot of people don't realize it. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On January 25 2011 04:25 KvltMan wrote: [/i]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFs03oAx9ME rad stuff, i love it when metalheads (or fans of other genres in general) realize how cool this shit is and get over the "mainstream hump" and see beyond the 50 cent and kanye beef. | ||
white_horse
1019 Posts
But I do agree the quality of music has gone down. We don't have anyone like Queen or beatles, where songwrters produce really good music. Music has gone from an art into a money machine. We don't have songwriters who write songs because they enjoy it. All we have are music producers looking for the next bieber they can score $$$$$ with. Saying that justin bieber and lady gaga is crap, honestly, is not just opinion, when you think relatively to the history of music industry. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On January 25 2011 04:52 KvltMan wrote: I think it's just the fact that the genres are the absolute opposites to each other that causes the "hating" between the fans. Absolute opposites? How so? Sure you talk about perhaps vocal quality, where one has lots of screaming and yelling, while the other is more rhythmic and talky. Perhaps one is heavily focused on musical virtuosity and the other is focused on ...er... "lyric virtuosity"?? But really, both metal and rap are incredibly manly men music where men beat the crap out of other men and act all manly. I guess they both attract insecure manly men people who need to make sure that the music THEY listen to is the manliest and most macho or something. Personally I think that's where the hate comes from. Manly men. It's not like there's any grace and delicacy in either genre. They are not really opposite of each other IMO. | ||
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DenSkumle
Norway108 Posts
Paul Gilbert and John Petrucci gets my recommendation! at the moment i listen to Anita Baker - Mystery, even if i hate that specific music genre, its a good song. all genres got some moments if you ax me! | ||
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`Forte
United States128 Posts
I agree with KvltMan in that I think anybody who tries to make the best music with the talent they have is a good, honest musician. The ability to make a song makes a musician. Yes, some artists can throw together crap and probably make money off of it, but I like to believe most don't. Many people hate artists like Justin Beiber or Lady Gaga, but remember that they're singing to completely different audiences. Justin Beiber's music is marketed towards pre-teen girls and that's perfectly fine — do people that age not deserve music because they can't "appreciate" good quality music like Queen or The Beatles? Music is still an art. Most artists write music because they enjoy it, and there's plenty of artists who write good music. You don't even have to look that hard for any genre. There's great rap, there's great metal, there's great alternative, there's great electronica, etc. Music tastes really come down to a preference; personally I can listen to about any genre except for heavy metal and deathcore. | ||
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wwer
United States53 Posts
On January 25 2011 06:00 white_horse wrote: Why are you people arguing about what kind of music is better? Preference in music is a totally individual thing. You can't be a die-hard fan of death metal (which in MY OPINION, I think is total garbage - "hey screaming into the mic is good music?") and then look down on everyone else. But I do agree the quality of music has gone down. We don't have anyone like Queen or beatles, where songwrters produce really good music. Music has gone from an art into a money machine. We don't have songwriters who write songs because they enjoy it. All we have are music producers looking for the next bieber they can score $$$$$ with. Saying that justin bieber and lady gaga is crap, honestly, is not just opinion, when you think relatively to the history of music industry. Well this just isn't true. The music industry is making far less money today than it was 10 years ago and frankly the big record industry was already losing ground to indie labels and alternative distribution methods in the 90's anyway. There are plenty of good artists around today making awesome music outside the industry establishment. Indeed the Beatles and Queen are both awesome artists but they are exceptions, the music industry of the times was so obsessed with creating big hits that something like 3/4 of the the bands they signed were financial failures because of the absurd amount of money they put into hyper aggressive marketing and huge budget videos especially in the 80s. The industry has never cared about art, they just happened to occasionally sign great artists and make a killing off of them because there were few other outlets to find music through for the average person. Also, Lady Gaga is not crap. She is an ok songwriter and a good singer, and and unbelievably interesting, clever, subversive, and sophisticated visual artist. She is by far the most talented artist in popular music today. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On January 25 2011 06:06 DoubleReed wrote: It's not like there's any grace and delicacy in either genre. this is why people argue. because they put down each others' passions without knowing a god damn thing about what they're talking about. | ||
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white_horse
1019 Posts
Some guy can draw a red box in the middle of a piece of paper and that is suddenly "a great work of art" simply because of his name brand. The same thing is happening with gaga. Everything she does visually is forced and a total wackjob, but everyone thinks its amazing simply because "she" did it. Do you think if I walked out dressed like lady gaga suddenly everyone would crowd me with cameras saying how artistic I am? She's bullshit in the visual department and so are all the lemmings who follow that part of her. | ||
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Starparty
Sweden1963 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Pretty bad troll OP, and this is where i stopped reading. | ||
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yesplz
United States295 Posts
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Abductedonut
United States324 Posts
People like SIMPLE music. Rock, metal, hip-hop, blues, techno and pop are generally very simple. ( These aren't the only simple types of music, just examples) Yeah, it's arguable as to which form of this music is least simple, but they're all pretty simple. Occasionally you'll have very talented musicians who prove to be exceptions, but again, those are exceptions. Now don't get me wrong - I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but that's the reason people LIKE a certain type of music over another. Musically, hip-hop is much simpler than metal. That's probably why it's liked more. If you want to talk about the "skill" required to write and play a certain type of music, classical music literally steamrolls all of these types of music and I don't see how anybody can possibly argue that. And I'd say that jazz is difficult to play simply because there's so much improvisation, while still sounding musically complex. But alas - most people don't listen to classical music, especially in our age group. Personally, I love rock and classical music. But I still like rap ( Nelly/tupac ), pop( shakira/IU/ABBA), metal ( maiden, sabbath). I think there's some really terrible sounding metal and rap/hip-hop out there which I honestly don't even qualify as music. I think the biggest problem is everybody qualifies classical music as "boring" because all they've heard is radio classical music. There's some really gorgeous classical pieces out there that most people won't hear throughout their entire life and it's really a shame. Examples: And if you want to talk about skill of playing, then I say GL HF to anyone who tries to play this at speed: | ||
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wwer
United States53 Posts
On January 25 2011 06:37 white_horse wrote: I agree that lady gaga has good songs but the way she walks out into public with ridiculous costumes is just really dumb. Art style comes naturally. Do you think picasso or van gogh said "hmm I'm going to draw with X style because I know it will be very popular". No. They drew according to their natural style, which turned out to be amazing. Lady gaga is like the contemporary art of the music industry. Some guy can draw a red box in the middle of a piece of paper and that is suddenly "a great work of art" simply because of his name brand. The same thing is happening with gaga. Everything she does visually is forced and a total wackjob, but everyone thinks its amazing simply because "she" did it. Do you think if I walked out dressed like lady gaga suddenly everyone would crowd me with cameras saying how artistic I am? She's bullshit in the visual department and so are all the lemmings who follow that part of her. No they wouldn't, that's the point. Lady Gaga is a contemporary artist and she employs the visual and symbolic language of contemporary art, which incidentally she went to school to study in NYC. There is nothing random about what she does. A big part of her thing is hanging a lampshade on the obfuscating inaccessible circle jerk that the art world has turned into and the superficial, image obsessed, cynical world the pop music industry has become at the same time. Also Van Gogh and Picasso did not just wake up one day paint brilliant masterpieces. They worked really really hard to create a visual style that said something about art and was unique. They were well aware of the theories of art of their times and both of them were conscious of how they were employing and subverting those concepts. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On January 25 2011 06:36 Shigy wrote: this is why people argue. because they put down each others' passions without knowing a god damn thing about what they're talking about. Hm? Would you say there is grace and delicacy in metal or rap or hip hop? Really? It's not really putting it down, and I don't understand why you choose to see like that. I'm simply describing the music. I think metal is awesome. But it's not delicate. It's not graceful. Those are simply not words I would use to describe it. Those are words I would use to describe the Nutcracker or something. I'm simply trying to say that the two genres really aren't diametrically opposed or anything. | ||
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ICA
498 Posts
I'm basically a Death Metal fanatic and own like every DM record ever recorded (well, someday maybe). Nonetheless, despite being that DM fanatic I still feel that there is really music that could be considered art. Metal ALMOST fails to create this completely, but then again every other genre as well. Just try to dig deeper into what you are listening, where the music comes from and what it expresses. Even if the creator didn't have intention at all to express something, it might still be possible too explore so much in some music. Search for the passion. It's tough, but definitely worth it. | ||
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Elegance
Canada917 Posts
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On January 25 2011 06:06 DoubleReed wrote: Absolute opposites? How so? Sure you talk about perhaps vocal quality, where one has lots of screaming and yelling, while the other is more rhythmic and talky. Perhaps one is heavily focused on musical virtuosity and the other is focused on ...er... "lyric virtuosity"?? But really, both metal and rap are incredibly manly men music where men beat the crap out of other men and act all manly. I guess they both attract insecure manly men people who need to make sure that the music THEY listen to is the manliest and most macho or something. Personally I think that's where the hate comes from. Manly men. It's not like there's any grace and delicacy in either genre. They are not really opposite of each other IMO. The lyrical aspect is of course one of the biggest differences. As much as I love bands like Dismember, I don't mind if I can't hear what the vocalist sings, or what "theme" his lyrics are about since it's quite obvious what he sings about. I'm not saying he's a crappy vocalist/songwriter, but in death metal you very often just see the vocalist as another instrument, where as in hiphop, the rapper is both the singer, the poet and the frontman. The lyrics are simply the most important aspect of hiphop since they are the only tool a rapper can use to actually form a connection to the audience. and if you're a really bad lyricist (and don't have major companies supporting/promoting you), you probably won't get far as a rapper. Metal will always be the manliest type of music. Don't believe me? Check out this guy. ![[image loading]](http://lnx.rigablood.com/saladdaysmag/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/LV5M4167-490x746.jpg) In all seriousness, though, I might be able to agree with you somewhat on the entire "my music is more manly than yours"-thing when it comes to "gangsta rap", but the things you see on MTV are hardly that. Well, bands like Opeth and Isis are ready to prove you wrong on that last point. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On January 25 2011 07:40 Elegance wrote: You guys have obviously never heard of Djent It's horribly overrated, imo. How so? | ||
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icyF
Finland305 Posts
I suppose a thread like "pasta tastes better than rice" is equally inspiring. | ||
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ReducedToPaste
Netherlands4 Posts
Anyway I generally listen to death metal, and NWOBHM. | ||
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shadymmj
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Torumfroll
290 Posts
Regardless of what people consider mainstream or good music, cant you just leave their opinion to themselves and just appreciate the bands/artists/composers that you enjoy listening to? Adding this for comical value and because I think it fits in the thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijr4rwb2WbE | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
Heres a danish rockband which i really like: | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
(Post rock, experimental rock, prog rock, drone, dark ambient, ambient, folk metal, dsbm and shoegaze are the genres I feel that are most meaningful to me right now) | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
I only like rap when its crossing other genres such as KLF, RATM Limp bizkit and such. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On January 25 2011 22:51 Valikyr wrote: For me personally I just haven't heard any hip hop I find inspiring or engaging in any way. Nothing that can drift my mind away from reality and nothing seems deeper than "check this cool beat or this rap flow out". That's why I don't listen to hip hop. Just my opinion, I know the majority thinks otherwise unfortunately. (Post rock, experimental rock, prog rock, drone, dark ambient, ambient, folk metal, dsbm and shoegaze are the genres I feel that are most meaningful to me right now) Wat? | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On January 26 2011 00:22 valaki wrote: I have no problem with either genre ( metal/rock vs hiphop/rap ). I just can't stand the lunatics and it seems metal has more of them sadly. In the same way, I can't stand the zealous fans of the old rock bands lik omgomg you noob iron maiden all the way everything else is shit. Rock is stuck in a 1960s time loop. That's why it's not as popular. | ||
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MrGoodB0y
Vietnam1 Post
listen to classical music.. User was warned for this post | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On January 26 2011 05:36 MrGoodB0y wrote: metal, hiphop etc aren't music, just a mixture of dirty noises, listen to classical music.. ![[image loading]](http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/2887931/obvious-troll-is-obvious.jpg?imageSize=Large&generatorName=Captain-Obvious) User was warned for this post | ||
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TxDraGuN
United States8 Posts
On December 10 2010 16:14 pfods wrote: Girls who aren't into death metal aren't worth knowing or associating with. Lol Your post made my day haha, and Death Metal is still popular just walk through a high school hallway your bound to hear Some load death metal music while your passing by. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
On January 25 2011 07:40 Elegance wrote: You guys have obviously never heard of Djent good because it's killing metal | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
Given the fact that metal has survived disco, pop, glam rock, grunge, hiphop, nu-metal, metalcore and techno, and given the fact that it's latest "competitor" is something as lame as kids ripping off Meshuggah... I wouldn't be too worried. | ||
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Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
The song/remix that originally made me realise I was a fucking idiot for looking down on hip hop before. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
and are two completely different songs in two completely different styles. However, the common link is that they are both produced by independent artists and both (IMO) fucking amazing. People like Lil Wayne, Slim Thug, etc. are basically just big figureheads for terrible recycled beats and meaningless lyrics. | ||
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
On January 25 2011 03:30 Lennon wrote: Obvious hip hop versus metal troll thread. To answer your question, people have different music tastes. ^ ***** OP, you are trying to make a statement about why people listen to what they do. We listen to what we want because we enjoy it. This is pointless. Metal concerts are for metal-enthusiasts, Rap shows are for fans of hip-hop, Trance events are for trance and house fans. We love "hip-hop/rap" (or any other genre for that reason) because it sounds good to us, we relate to it, we have a family member in the field, etc. Fin. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
Any amount of props I give you will not suffice. Holy shit that album is epic. | ||
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saliens
United States10 Posts
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
On January 26 2011 08:31 KvltMan wrote: Given the fact that metal has survived disco, pop, glam rock, grunge, hiphop, nu-metal, metalcore and techno, and given the fact that it's latest "competitor" is something as lame as kids ripping off Meshuggah... I wouldn't be too worried. lame kids ripping off shitty music = bad music killing metal | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On January 26 2011 09:14 FragKrag wrote: lame kids ripping off shitty music = bad music killing metal as if that's never been done in greater scale before? | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
On January 26 2011 09:16 KvltMan wrote: as if that's never been done in greater scale before? It's never been as widely accepted in the metal community | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On January 26 2011 09:25 FragKrag wrote: It's never been as widely accepted in the metal community In all honesty, the biggest bands in the genre (Periphery and Animals as Leaders) receive a hefty amount of flak. I also don't think that this genre will last long, simply because every single djent group sounds like every other djent group. Don't worry about a genre, it'll always pull through. I definitely think the glam-era of rock was more damaging to metal than djent is, and it still didn't manage to bring it down. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
Not all metal is worth listening to. Most new metal fits into the category of terrible. Too many pop-rock outfits are trying to pass themselves off as metal bands, particularly in the U.S. European metal is the best, hands down. Metal is still as popular as ever. Most of the good stuff is just too heavy for the mainstream radio, and they'd rather play classic rock and popular rock than lose ratings. Also, many metal bands employ drum-machines as an alternative to a human drummer. Not because they sound better, but because a drummer with tendinitis in his elbow is a sad sight to behold. Oh, and there is a lot of good hip-hop and electronica. Listening to just one kind of music and holding prejudice against other genres is just simple-minded. | ||
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omg.deus
Korea (South)150 Posts
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
Regular people like love songs that remind them of having a good time. There is a conception that when you go to dance you have a good time that is why rap is getting a lot of attention you can dance to it. Rap is made for mass consumption. The star or Idol ideal that this "Artist" is gonna change the game, he is going to make money, fuck hoes and Party all the time is a big part of what the USA and this capitalist society is about. Rap represents those capitalist ideals better than other genres that is why its so popular, it can have a huge and wider fan base than teenage punk pop and other kind of Radio friendly stuff which also you cant dance to. Thats why its so liked. | ||
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
Also...hiphop makes the booty shake and we all love that =D | ||
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MahatmaSC2
United States192 Posts
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
Strapping Young Lad (and Devin Townsend) Dimmu Borgir Vader Meshuggah (Only a couple songs, they are not really that great :/) Sevendust (I guess kinda like hardrock, but definitely probably my favorite band) I also listen to shit like Vocal Trance (only like female voices) too. I used to listen to rap and hip-hop, but you realize that 99% of them are talentless and are terrible. I've listened to a lot of rap, and the ONLY groups that I find that have talent are: Eyedea & Abilities (RIP) Saturday Morning Soundtrack I wouldn't really call it rap though, it's more like poetry to me. I used to love Tech N9ne, Aesop, that type of shit, but really almost all of it is wack (now even moreso). Tupac is only popular because he got shot, and the main reason rap is shit IMO is because they make up all the shit in their songs. It's not hard telling a make believe story about selling crack and shooting people. Here is an example of good gangter-rap, recorded straight from prison through the call box. The song was even used as evidence against him in court (he's in jail for murder):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGPheeLcNMQ | ||
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On January 26 2011 12:17 Silidons wrote: I used to listen to rap and hip-hop, but you realize that 99% of them are talentless and are terrible. I've listened to a lot of rap, and the ONLY groups that I find that have talent are: Eyedea & Abilities (RIP) Saturday Morning Soundtrack I wouldn't really call it rap though, it's more like poetry to me. I used to love Tech N9ne, Aesop, that type of shit, but really almost all of it is wack (now even moreso). Tupac is only popular because he got shot, and the main reason rap is shit IMO is because they make up all the shit in their songs. It's not hard telling a make believe story about selling crack and shooting people. You say you've listened to a lot of rap, but it doesn't seem like that from this post. I'm interested to hear what you've listened to and tried out. Tupac is not popular because he got shot, he's popular because millions of people can relate to his struggle and he's an icon. I hate the shit you hear on the radio, and yes a lot of that may or may not be false, but there is A LOT of really good shit out there if you try to find it. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
To make good music all you got to do is 'XPRESS YOURSELF *dance dance dance* | ||
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norlock
Netherlands918 Posts
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Rylaji
Sweden580 Posts
I listen to both HipHop and Metal, you know all hiphop is not 50 cent and Dr Dre and not all metal is Cannibal Corpse or Slipknot.. I personally enjoy more intricate hiphop such as Saian Supa Crew, Immortal Technique, Sage Francis and Tonedeff. And I also enjoy a fair share of melodic death metal such as In Flames, Dark Tranquillty, At the Gates, King Diamond, Kalmah etc. Point being, everyone has opinions, dont try to force yours on others. | ||
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JeanLuc
Canada377 Posts
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BeefEU
Netherlands260 Posts
I wonder why you "Metalheads" think hiphop is worthless music and sounds like shit, because when I hear metal all I hear is some guy screaming and 4 other guys bashing on their instruments. And hip hop being brainwashing? Alot of metal songs are about hate and stuff like that, and that isn't brainwashing? Anyway, haters will be haters! | ||
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Fumi
529 Posts
On January 27 2011 01:04 BeefEU wrote: Wow, all the hate versus hiphop and rap. I wonder why you "Metalheads" think hiphop is worthless music and sounds like shit, because when I hear metal all I hear is some guy screaming and 4 other guys bashing on their instruments. And hip hop being brainwashing? Alot of metal songs are about hate and stuff like that, and that isn't brainwashing? Anyway, haters will be haters! If you're referring to norlock up there, you didn't get his point, and you're coming off as just another hater. He meant that MTV is "brainwashing" the teenage audience by feeding them only with what's commercially good and generally perceived as cool, and he isn't wrong. If metal was the cool thing right now and earned ridiculously unfair amounts of money every year, MTV would be feeding that instead. If gangsta rap is your thing, then good, but you gotta understand where he's coming from. Unfortunately though, 90% of everything is crap, this goes for both genres as well. And in debates as pointless as this, the opposing sides will only look at each other's crap. | ||
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thehitman
1105 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 Punic wrote: i think this started with the beginning of opinions and the decline of robotic personalities. Huh? What are you even talking about? Apologize right now to the millions of people listening to metal! Actually I don't think too many people listen to hip-hop/rap. If you check in europe and asia its mostly electronic music or national new age music. | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
On January 27 2011 01:04 BeefEU wrote: Wow, all the hate versus hiphop and rap. I wonder why you "Metalheads" think hiphop is worthless music and sounds like shit, because when I hear metal all I hear is some guy screaming and 4 other guys bashing on their instruments. And hip hop being brainwashing? Alot of metal songs are about hate and stuff like that, and that isn't brainwashing? Anyway, haters will be haters! I find it odd that some people can't hear structure in metal. They must be deafened by the stirring emotion being driven into their ears. While hip-hop is good to listen to for the lyrics, and occasionally the beat and/or melody, I still find metal carries more musical intricacy despite its lack of lyrical substance. Also, very very very few hip-hop songs can give me the type of adrenaline rush and serotonin injection that I will get from an awesome metal song. This is not me hating on hip-hop, since there is some very good hip-hop available. I think the OP has just been force-fed 'beats of marketing' as Immortal Technique would say. The li'l Waynes and Nellies of the modern hi-hop scene (if they can even be called hip-hop) are probably what has deadened his heart to the genre. For some reason, I feel like listening to some Beethoven right now... Peace. | ||
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BeefEU
Netherlands260 Posts
On January 27 2011 01:18 Fumi wrote: If you're referring to norlock up there, you didn't get his point, and you're coming off as just another hater. He meant that MTV is "brainwashing" the teenage audience by feeding them only with what's commercially good and generally perceived as cool, and he isn't wrong. If metal was the cool thing right now and earned ridiculously unfair amounts of money every year, MTV would be feeding that instead. If gangsta rap is your thing, then good, but you gotta understand where he's coming from. Unfortunately though, 90% of everything is crap, this goes for both genres as well. And in debates as pointless as this, the opposing sides will only look at each other's crap. No I wasn't referring to Norlock, I was just posting in general. I don't care about mainstream or whatever stream, I never watch mtv or whatever, I just listen to what I like. And I totally agree about the brainwashing, it sickens me when I see some 11 year old girl acting like she's some gangster bitch that got laid just now. But wouldn't metal be just as bad if it was mainstream? | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
What you hear on the radio nowadays is pop and not hip hop. Almost noone listens to it, because it is way too deep for most of the people and you need at least some knowledge to know what they are even talking about. Best example: Immortal Technique Go on youtube and listen to one of his songs and tell me that many people listen to that kind of music. The averagy guy is too dumb to understand his lyrics. + Show Spoiler + [Verse 1] You better watch what the fuck flies outta ya mouth Or I'ma hijack a plane and fly it into your house Burn your apartment with your family tied to the couch And slit your throat, so when you scream, only blood comes out I doubt that there could ever be...a more wicked MC 'Cause AIDS infested child molesters aren't sicker than me I see the world for what it is, beyond the white and the black The way the government downplays historical facts 'Cause the United States sponsored the rise of the 3rd Reich Just like the CIA trained terrorists to the fight Build bombs and sneak box cutters onto a flight When I was a child, the Devil himself bought me a mic But I refused the offer, 'cause God sent me to strike With skills unused like fallopian tubes on a dyke My words'll expose George Bush and Bin Laden As two separate parts of the same seven headed dragon And you can't fathom the truth, so you don't hear me You think illuminati's just a fucking conspiracy theory? That's why Conservative racists are all runnin' shit And your phone is tapped by the Federal Government So I'm jammin' frequencies in ya brain when you speak to me Technique will rip a rapper to pieces indecently Pack weapons illegally, because I'm never hesitant Sniper scoping a commission controlling the president [Hook] Father, forgive them, for they don't know right from wrong The truth will set you free, written down in this song And the song has the Cause of Death written in code The Word of God brought to life, that'll save ya soul.. Save ya soul motherfucker...save ya soul.. Yeah, yeah, yeah [Verse 2] I hacked the Pentagon for self-incriminating evidence Of Republican manufactured white powder pestilence Marines Corps. flack vest, with the guns and ammo Spittin' bars like a demon stuck inside a piano Turn a Sambo into a soldier with just one line Now here's the truth about the system that'll fuck up your mind They gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992 And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics But you act like America wouldn't destroy two buildings In a country that was sponsoring bombs dropped on our children I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives And they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did About the bombs planted on the George Washington bridge Four Non-Arabs arrested during the emergency And then it disappeared from the news permanently They dubbed a tape of Osama, and they said it was proof "Jealous of our freedom," I can't believe you bought that excuse Rocking a motherfucking flag don't make you a hero Word to Ground Zero The Devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th The New World Order was born on September 11 [Hook] [Verse 3] And just so Conservatives don't take it to heart I don't think Bush did it, 'cause he isn't that smart He's just a stupid puppet taking orders on his cell phone From the same people that sabotaged Senator Wellstone The military industry got it poppin' and lockin' Looking for a way to justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine And as a matter of fact, Rumsfeld, now that I think back Without 9/11, you couldn't have a war in Iraq Or a Defense budget of world conquest proportions Kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortions Tax cut extortion, a blessing to the wealthy and wicked But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted And Dick Cheney, you fucking leech, tell them your plans About building your pipelines through Afghanistan And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan You might have some house niggas fooled, but I understand Colonialism is sponsored by corporations That's why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations Tell me the truth, I don't scare into paralysis I know the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis In '98 when he was Top Ten for the FBI Government ties is really why the Government lies Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why 'Cause then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die.. If most of the people listen to this and are able to understand it then I underestimated the human race. edit: The song is called cause of death if you feel like listening to it, better than reading thru lyrics. | ||
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Fumi
529 Posts
On January 27 2011 01:23 BeefEU wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2011 01:18 Fumi wrote: If you're referring to norlock up there, you didn't get his point, and you're coming off as just another hater. He meant that MTV is "brainwashing" the teenage audience by feeding them only with what's commercially good and generally perceived as cool, and he isn't wrong. If metal was the cool thing right now and earned ridiculously unfair amounts of money every year, MTV would be feeding that instead. If gangsta rap is your thing, then good, but you gotta understand where he's coming from. Unfortunately though, 90% of everything is crap, this goes for both genres as well. And in debates as pointless as this, the opposing sides will only look at each other's crap. No I wasn't referring to Norlock, I was just posting in general. I don't care about mainstream or whatever stream, I never watch mtv or whatever, I just listen to what I like. And I totally agree about the brainwashing, it sickens me when I see some 11 year old girl acting like she's some gangster bitch that got laid just now. But wouldn't metal be just as bad if it was mainstream? Yeah, like I said, it would. It even happened before, there were some pretty ridiculous stuff when hair metal began to decline. | ||
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:52 .Aar wrote: I'd say the biggest thing for me regarding why I don't like metal is the image the word conjures for me: A slightly overweight American kid with no personality and an unfounded political belief structure of "anarchy mannnnnn." Someone who defines himself with the angsty music he listens to simply because he's not deep enough to find any other meaning in life. I'm not saying everyone who listens to metal is like this. I'm saying everyone I've met who listens to metal is. Also, why are you bashing on "computer generated noises"? Electronic music takes just as much artistic ability as any other kind, in some areas perhaps even more so. It's pure creativity and technical skill. What are you talking about? Guitar/drums/bass/piano/violin etc take years and years of hard work to perfect. To write a truly great song on a real instrument you need to understand music theory and rhythm and you need to physical ability and ear to play with other musicians and collaborate. You need patience to work together and share ideas while at the same time creative genius that you can communicate with other people. Electronic music is completely different. You need good programs, a fast computer and basic rhythm skills as well as some time but its not even CLOSE to the real skills you learn by playing a physical instrument. You just cannot tell me its equal because its not at ALL. One person with a bunch of scripts cant compare to true musicianship just because everything is already pre fab and you dont have to make your own sound with your bare hands.. A guitar IS a tool but a human has to make it sound good. Electronic music is NOT "PURE TECHNICAL SKILL" its fucking easy if you have a bit of time to just mess around and learn what all the buttons do. | ||
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XCetron
5226 Posts
On January 27 2011 01:49 Hypnosis wrote: What are you talking about? Guitar/drums/bass/piano/violin etc take years and years of hard work to perfect. To write a truly great song on a real instrument you need to understand music theory and rhythm and you need to physical ability and ear to play with other musicians and collaborate. You need patience to work together and share ideas while at the same time creative genius that you can communicate with other people. Electronic music is completely different. You need good programs, a fast computer and basic rhythm skills as well as some time but its not even CLOSE to the real skills you learn by playing a physical instrument. You just cannot tell me its equal because its not at ALL. One person with a bunch of scripts cant compare to true musicianship just because everything is already pre fab and you dont have to make your own sound with your bare hands.. A guitar IS a tool but a human has to make it sound good. Electronic music is NOT "PURE TECHNICAL SKILL" its fucking easy if you have a bit of time to just mess around and learn what all the buttons do. I play neither the guitar or have experience in electronic music but this seems hilariously biased. Can someone help verify his statement? This seems parallel to comparing button smashing in fighting games vs spam clicking in SC. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On January 27 2011 01:28 decaf wrote: I bet you don't know shit about hip hop. What you hear on the radio nowadays is pop and not hip hop. Almost noone listens to it, because it is way too deep for most of the people and you need at least some knowledge to know what they are even talking about. Best example: Immortal Technique Go on youtube and listen to one of his songs and tell me that many people listen to that kind of music. The averagy guy is too dumb to understand his lyrics. + Show Spoiler + [Verse 1] You better watch what the fuck flies outta ya mouth Or I'ma hijack a plane and fly it into your house Burn your apartment with your family tied to the couch And slit your throat, so when you scream, only blood comes out I doubt that there could ever be...a more wicked MC 'Cause AIDS infested child molesters aren't sicker than me I see the world for what it is, beyond the white and the black The way the government downplays historical facts 'Cause the United States sponsored the rise of the 3rd Reich Just like the CIA trained terrorists to the fight Build bombs and sneak box cutters onto a flight When I was a child, the Devil himself bought me a mic But I refused the offer, 'cause God sent me to strike With skills unused like fallopian tubes on a dyke My words'll expose George Bush and Bin Laden As two separate parts of the same seven headed dragon And you can't fathom the truth, so you don't hear me You think illuminati's just a fucking conspiracy theory? That's why Conservative racists are all runnin' shit And your phone is tapped by the Federal Government So I'm jammin' frequencies in ya brain when you speak to me Technique will rip a rapper to pieces indecently Pack weapons illegally, because I'm never hesitant Sniper scoping a commission controlling the president [Hook] Father, forgive them, for they don't know right from wrong The truth will set you free, written down in this song And the song has the Cause of Death written in code The Word of God brought to life, that'll save ya soul.. Save ya soul motherfucker...save ya soul.. Yeah, yeah, yeah [Verse 2] I hacked the Pentagon for self-incriminating evidence Of Republican manufactured white powder pestilence Marines Corps. flack vest, with the guns and ammo Spittin' bars like a demon stuck inside a piano Turn a Sambo into a soldier with just one line Now here's the truth about the system that'll fuck up your mind They gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992 And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics But you act like America wouldn't destroy two buildings In a country that was sponsoring bombs dropped on our children I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives And they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did About the bombs planted on the George Washington bridge Four Non-Arabs arrested during the emergency And then it disappeared from the news permanently They dubbed a tape of Osama, and they said it was proof "Jealous of our freedom," I can't believe you bought that excuse Rocking a motherfucking flag don't make you a hero Word to Ground Zero The Devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th The New World Order was born on September 11 [Hook] [Verse 3] And just so Conservatives don't take it to heart I don't think Bush did it, 'cause he isn't that smart He's just a stupid puppet taking orders on his cell phone From the same people that sabotaged Senator Wellstone The military industry got it poppin' and lockin' Looking for a way to justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine And as a matter of fact, Rumsfeld, now that I think back Without 9/11, you couldn't have a war in Iraq Or a Defense budget of world conquest proportions Kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortions Tax cut extortion, a blessing to the wealthy and wicked But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted And Dick Cheney, you fucking leech, tell them your plans About building your pipelines through Afghanistan And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan You might have some house niggas fooled, but I understand Colonialism is sponsored by corporations That's why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations Tell me the truth, I don't scare into paralysis I know the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis In '98 when he was Top Ten for the FBI Government ties is really why the Government lies Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why 'Cause then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die.. If most of the people listen to this and are able to understand it then I underestimated the human race. edit: The song is called cause of death if you feel like listening to it, better than reading thru lyrics. My first hiphop-elitist encounter! Hello, dear hiphop-elitist. Immortal Technique can rhyme, other than that he ruined a perfectly good CunninLynguists song, and he is not that fucking smart since he believes in every single dingbat conspiracy theory out there. Plus, he's hardly underground, and neither is AOTP, Ill Bill or JMT. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On January 27 2011 01:49 Hypnosis wrote: What are you talking about? Guitar/drums/bass/piano/violin etc take years and years of hard work to perfect. To write a truly great song on a real instrument you need to understand music theory and rhythm and you need to physical ability and ear to play with other musicians and collaborate. You need patience to work together and share ideas while at the same time creative genius that you can communicate with other people. Electronic music is completely different. You need good programs, a fast computer and basic rhythm skills as well as some time but its not even CLOSE to the real skills you learn by playing a physical instrument. You just cannot tell me its equal because its not at ALL. One person with a bunch of scripts cant compare to true musicianship just because everything is already pre fab and you dont have to make your own sound with your bare hands.. A guitar IS a tool but a human has to make it sound good. Electronic music is NOT "PURE TECHNICAL SKILL" its fucking easy if you have a bit of time to just mess around and learn what all the buttons do. Then we get to the part where a musician seriously needs to be able to write music. A computer with ReSound/FruityLoops will not turn you in to a DJ or an accomplished artist. Trust me, Aphex Twin, Venetian Snares or The Future Sound of London didn't just buy a synhthsizer/laptop/drum machine and decide that they would become accomplished musicians overnight, they experimented a lot, took many risks and used the new technology to go to places music hadn't been before. Complaining on EDM artists because they don't "use real instruments" is a bullshit argument, soley due to the fact that music no longer needs to be bound to known mediums or methods anymore. A world without these people's desire to experiment with new technology and sounds would be extremely fucking dull. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEPGLQAoNFc | ||
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Ympulse
United States287 Posts
On January 27 2011 03:08 XCetron wrote: I play neither the guitar or have experience in electronic music but this seems hilariously biased. Can someone help verify his statement? This seems parallel to comparing button smashing in fighting games vs spam clicking in SC. It all really depends on what level of quality you're talking about. Basic electronic music, 4/4 kick-snare with a two-note progression on a loop is as stupidly easy to create in FLstudio as it is to smack drums with sticks in a recognizable pattern. Great electronic music, on the other hand, is as difficult to create as it is for a composer to write a symphony for a full orchestra on the level of the classical greats. Sadly, great musicians and great electronic music are few and far in between, so we're stuck listening to (mostly) varying levels of regurgitated shit. In direct answer to your post, it's only as biased as the level of skill he's comparing them to. Average electronic music is 'easier' to create based simply on the fact that actually playing it boils down to pressing play. | ||
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CPTslut
Germany98 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On January 26 2011 21:05 The KY wrote: I reckon 90% of the people who claim to hate hip hop have heard only the factory made radio fodder of the genre. Real rappers know it's gotta be from the heart, cos if you wanna start to move up the chart, then expression is a big part of it. You ain't efficient when you flow, you ain't swift, movin' like a tortoise, full o' rigor mortis. To make good music all you got to do is 'XPRESS YOURSELF *dance dance dance* I have a friend just like you. Loves guys like Living Legends or KRS-1. Thinks these hardcore "underground" groups need a chance, detests mainstream stuff (just because). Has a aura of pretentiousness too just like any other person who listens to terrible, unpopular music. It doesn't have any appeal beyond angry rebellious boys. Get real! On January 26 2011 09:23 SupastaR wrote: i dont like it when people say hip hop is bad and stupid and tuneless and the rappers are stupid and stuff. Its like me saying to a metal fan hey metal is just mindless shouting and tuneless guitar mashing. to the metal fan its simply not true. so to the hip hop fan, good hip hop has deep lyrics, slick and very well made beats. Theres a place in the genre for les acclaimed, catchy artists to make mainstream records with catchy hooks and pretty bad hip hop, but there are people like that in all genres. my theory is just live and let live, i dont see why there has to be a huge thread debating which is better The discussion is pointless. I just like hating on metal/hip-hop. To be fair I have some of these songs in my playlist. But it is rare. It's all first impressions. Chances are people were exposed to something from either genre that is purported to be awesome, but then isn't. So people think hip-hop is mostly non-senseical jabbering with a looping old record in the background and metal is all just screamy/whiny with uncoordinated banging. Because there are a lot of songs in both genres that fit those descriptions. On January 26 2011 09:54 HeadhunteR wrote: music is music, anyone can listen to what they want. If you cry about it you are wasting your time. Everyone should listen to what they like and who cares if its good or bad you cant force people to like stuff YOU like who are you to decide that? Regular people like love songs that remind them of having a good time. There is a conception that when you go to dance you have a good time that is why rap is getting a lot of attention you can dance to it. Rap is made for mass consumption. The star or Idol ideal that this "Artist" is gonna change the game, he is going to make money, fuck hoes and Party all the time is a big part of what the USA and this capitalist society is about. Rap represents those capitalist ideals better than other genres that is why its so popular, it can have a huge and wider fan base than teenage punk pop and other kind of Radio friendly stuff which also you cant dance to. Thats why its so liked. Record labels love rap. Because they can recycle their old hits, have a rapper insert rap and resell it. Boom instant hit, in the top 40. Played in dance clubs all over the country. Most people do just like the danceable rap and does appeal to a sense of partying (not necessarily "capitalism"; I wouldn't take it that far). And they like it not because of the rap, but because it has a good beat to groove to. Like Black Eyed Peas. I HATE those guys. A lot of their songs never fail to annoy me. On January 25 2011 07:59 KvltMan wrote: The lyrical aspect is of course one of the biggest differences. As much as I love bands like Dismember, I don't mind if I can't hear what the vocalist sings, or what "theme" his lyrics are about since it's quite obvious what he sings about. I'm not saying he's a crappy vocalist/songwriter, but in death metal you very often just see the vocalist as another instrument, where as in hiphop, the rapper is both the singer, the poet and the frontman. The lyrics are simply the most important aspect of hiphop since they are the only tool a rapper can use to actually form a connection to the audience. and if you're a really bad lyricist (and don't have major companies supporting/promoting you), you probably won't get far as a rapper. Metal will always be the manliest type of music. Don't believe me? Check out this guy. In all seriousness, though, I might be able to agree with you somewhat on the entire "my music is more manly than yours"-thing when it comes to "gangsta rap", but the things you see on MTV are hardly that. Well, bands like Opeth and Isis are ready to prove you wrong on that last point. Whatever music you think is "manly" to me looks like pro wrestling in music form. It's all posturing. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On January 27 2011 04:29 Ownos wrote: . Whatever music you think is "manly" to me looks like pro wrestling in music form. It's all posturing. Tbh, I wasn't that serious witht he pic. :p | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
On January 27 2011 03:11 KvltMan wrote: My first hiphop-elitist encounter! Hello, dear hiphop-elitist. Immortal Technique can rhyme, other than that he ruined a perfectly good CunninLynguists song, and he is not that fucking smart since he believes in every single dingbat conspiracy theory out there. Plus, he's hardly underground, and neither is AOTP, Ill Bill or JMT. Hello dear whoever you are! You do realize that immortal technique is as underground as it can get when you're not living in NYC? Don't call me an elitist if you think good rap music is rated by its level of underground-ness, it clearly isn't. Rap _can_ be good even if it isn't underground (like wu tang was bak in the days), but as it is now you will only hear hear faggots that call themselves rappers like 50c, lil wayne etc but their songs got no meaning or whatsoever. Non Phixion is the shit and immortal is most likely more intelligent than you are, it doesn't matter in what he believes - people who believe in any kind of religion are by no means any more intelligent (in fact thats most hateful kind of human being to ever given birth to) | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On January 27 2011 07:57 decaf wrote: Hello dear whoever you are! You do realize that immortal technique is as underground as it can get when you're not living in NYC? Don't call me an elitist if you think good rap music is rated by its level of underground-ness, it clearly isn't. Rap _can_ be good even if it isn't underground (like wu tang was bak in the days), but as it is now you will only hear hear faggots that call themselves rappers like 50c, lil wayne etc but their songs got no meaning or whatsoever. Non Phixion is the shit and immortal is most likely more intelligent than you are, it doesn't matter in what he believes - people who believe in any kind of religion are by no means any more intelligent (in fact thats most hateful kind of human being to ever given birth to) I'll give religion a point here since I judged you prematurely, however, the entire "Almost noone listens to it, because it is way too deep for most of the people and you need at least some knowledge to know what they are even talking about."-part just screams elitism, as if IT's music transcend some sort of universal genious. 2Pac sang about that stuff, and he was MTV's posterboy. But since you answered like a totally reasonable person, I apologize. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
Whatever music you think is "manly" to me looks like pro wrestling in music form. It's all posturing. Wow dude, how do you not see the joke? He was responding to my post... | ||
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On January 27 2011 08:34 KvltMan wrote: I'll give religion a point here since I judged you prematurely, however, the entire "Almost noone listens to it, because it is way too deep for most of the people and you need at least some knowledge to know what they are even talking about."-part just screams elitism, as if IT's music transcend some sort of universal genious. 2Pac sang about that stuff, and he was MTV's posterboy. But since you answered like a totally reasonable person, I apologize. 2Pac was carrying the banner for gangster rap and essentially the whole rap movement during the 80s/90s. Yeah Immortal Technique raps about similar things, and so do other people, but that's not what's popular at the moment. It's catchy stuff now, choruses that get stuck in your head but don't mean anything. Gangster rap nowadays is dumb imo, seems like everyone wants to be 2Pac. I like Pac a lot because I think he's more genuine than the majority of rappers now, and a lot of his stuff has a real message. For every Hit Em Up there's a Keep Ya Head Up, he was the truth. Seems like anyone can front like a gangster and get on the radio nowadays. People need to be themselves. | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
Beyond that, most self-consciously, ardent, "underground" hip-hop isn't inspiring in form nor content. This has been the trend since Stakes Is High by De La Soul (1996, guys! people have been complaining about gangsta rap since 1996! in a bland and morose fashion!). Maudlin raps over mediocre beats about the same shit over and over again (Stakes Is High is good, Company Flow is okay), and oftentimes the networks are so set up that an indie rapper has a better shot at long-term financial success than any pretend gangster anyway. But even then, "gangster rap" - so, Dipset, T.I., Clipse, Lil Wayne, Gucci Mane, etc. etc. - has been where the most exciting "underground" distribution channels were set up over the past decade. The mixtape culture has programmed into it way more reflexivity, reaction, and personality than anything some tantrum-throwing petulant pretender to Marxist revolutionary praxis like Immortal Technique could ever hope to offer. Listen to what you want, but if fewer people listen to pseudo-intellectual "underground" rap that attempts to trade on presumed authenticity over actual creativity, gangsta rap is definitely not at fault. The idea that anyone thinks IT is intellectually stimulating is somewhat scary by itself. | ||
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Heafmo
United Kingdom70 Posts
Mostly down to music taste, I don't find it rewarding to look for new stuff that I like, with a reward to disappointment ratio of roughly 1:50 I stick with what I know for Rap. Aesop Rock, Apathy, some Eminem and not that I'm asking, but would rather take recommendations on this forum from a user who strings a few 3+ syllable words into their posts. In UK 'Grime' has been popular for a while now and I never really saw a decline in popularity of Rap/Hip-Hop (It's all under the same umbrella) more of a transition to Grime because it's more real and down to earth (remember, we don't live in UK, life is a little different). I've tried listening to it as surely the majority can't be wrong about it being good and listen worthy, right? Poor production/boring beats, The grime artists seem confused as to whether they're rapping about something or preaching abstract poetry, dynamics feel almost non-existent for me although I'm aware they're there and it seems that the main reason for the passion behind this Genre is the desire for competition (with the US, we like to think Grime is x10 better than any of the Rap that comes out of USA... Heh). Give me Kanye or Jay-Z anyday. They make better music plain and simple without being lofty (I'm sure there's a better word but I'm drawing blanks after English Lit). Since giving grime a chance in 2009 though, I've only checked like 3 Grime Artists since. So to answer OP. In UK, 'Grime' , I guess you could call the 'underground rap movement of the UK' is popular due to British pride (From what I've observed has increased because of all the children the majority of us witness on Xbox Live). And the desire to be 'badboy' a rebel, non-conformist. There is dialogues involving descriptions of violent events in which people claim to be involved but they're mostly the result of an unfulfilled life, over-generous benefits (welfare) gifting them enough time to come up with these motion littered presentations which either didn't happen or are gross exaggerations of an event where the violence totalled to 3 punches exchanged. I've had youths who fall into this 'stereotype' threaten me for belongings, as soon as I shot them down with some wit, (No, I didn't have a battle rap with them) they just shut up and went about their business loitering out of the shop. Also I don't know anyone over 20 with a real passion for grime... Young whipper-snappers. Disclosure: I really hope that Grime can evolve into something great but it feels like it's being made for the wrong reasons. Labours of love is what I really want. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
Unlike Metal music which is garbage, look at Slipknot, all they do is use swear words to appeal little rebellious 12 year old kids. | ||
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shwaffles
United States117 Posts
On January 28 2011 01:47 ppshchik wrote: Because hip hop and rap are great music which its lyrics talk about daily life or a story. Unlike Metal music which is garbage, look at Slipknot, all they do is use swear words to appeal little rebellious 12 year old kids. You can say the same thing about rap and hip hop, it goes both ways. :/ | ||
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
On January 28 2011 01:47 ppshchik wrote: Because hip hop and rap are great music which its lyrics talk about daily life or a story. Unlike Metal music which is garbage, look at Slipknot, all they do is use swear words to appeal little rebellious 12 year old kids. Ur kidding, right? Find me a recent rap song that doesnt talk about how much money, bitches, or cars they have at their house and I'll be a monkey's uncle.... Metal may talk about the same stupid shit but at least I don't understand most of it :p I can't stand rap/ hip-hop these days.... | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
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norlock
Netherlands918 Posts
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
On January 28 2011 02:32 norlock wrote: Please Americans stop acting so dumb, both ppschik and captaincrush, music is not about being good it is about enjoyment. It is so stupid people take music so seriously lately, just listen what ever you want and don't be bothered by the music you don't like little kids, Sorry for contributing to the thread, call me crazy... You came in here just trying to derail and insult Americans... I don't listen to rap because I hate the lyrics and overall lack of talent that it takes to create a "popular" rap song. I do listen to metal because I loved the sound of an electric guitar and the fast pace. So please, european, go back to whatever hole you crawled out of and quit insulting americans for talking about the exact topic that a thread was created for.... | ||
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acidfreak
Romania352 Posts
That said, I'm not into american underground rap but I do love the rap some artists make in my country. I also listen to house and dnb and dubstep. In my country the mainstream is filled with this awfull "dance" that is even worse than the american "rap". Man I get ear cancer from listening to 99% of the radios in here. There was one underground house radio that I loved listeting to while driving, it was SO good. Then some assholes in suits bought it and now it brodcasts the same shit everything else brodcasts. Thank god for the Internet. Edit: This is what I consider rap I know no one will understand the lyrics but you must take my word for it that it's a lirical masterpiece | ||
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AtomicTon
United States103 Posts
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:00 CaptainCrush wrote: Sorry for contributing to the thread, call me crazy... You came in here just trying to derail and insult Americans... I don't listen to rap because I hate the lyrics and overall lack of talent that it takes to create a "popular" rap song. I do listen to metal because I loved the sound of an electric guitar and the fast pace. So please, european, go back to whatever hole you crawled out of and quit insulting americans for talking about the exact topic that a thread was created for.... You contributed jack, you only answered in the same retarded tone the guy you quoted did. "Find me a recent rap song that doesnt talk about how much money, bitches, or cars they have at their house and I'll be a monkey's uncle...." Just grow up, you came in to this thread in an attempt to throw shit at rap. Case closed - Europe Wins. ![[image loading]](http://www.gosugamers.net/general/images/news/jinro-600-3.jpg) | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On January 28 2011 01:53 CaptainCrush wrote: Ur kidding, right? Find me a recent rap song that doesnt talk about how much money, bitches, or cars they have at their house and I'll be a monkey's uncle.... Metal may talk about the same stupid shit but at least I don't understand most of it :p I can't stand rap/ hip-hop these days.... Though I guess it DOES talk about cars, bitches, and dough...in a different light though. Rhymefest is really good at not talking about money, bitches, and cars | ||
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yema1
Iceland101 Posts
I've met 'metal-anarchists' who supported 70% taxes and wanted to ban guns all together. It's unfathomable why the metal-heads I've met can't be bothered to wash themselves on daily basis, it's not cool, hardcore or edgy to smell like shit. Weed isn't cool either. Not that all people who like deathmetal are like that. | ||
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On January 28 2011 01:53 CaptainCrush wrote: Find me a recent rap song that doesnt talk about how much money, bitches, or cars they have at their house and I'll be a monkey's uncle.... Why hello Mr. Monkeys Uncle. You know, that's really easy to do. I can just go thru 1 of my playlists alone and find many examples. If you knew anything about real rap/hip-hop you would know the REAL artists do not like the fact that "pop" commercial hip-hop talks about all of those things. Heres some examples of songs that are AGAINST the ignorance in hip-hop, and how the ignorance is influenced by mainstream pop music : I hope you actually listen to those (unlike most the ignorant people who hate hiphop even though they know NOTHING about it), and figure out the meaning behind each song. You will see hip-hop is about much more than "money, bitches, cars" like you mentioned. As a matter of fact, after you listen to those, I challenge you to find ANY song in ANY of the other genres discussed in this topic that share as deep of a meaning as these songs. Do you accept my challenge? =) | ||
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Kitetsu
73 Posts
At any rate, the main reason why "everyone loves rap" it because it's 'mainstream'. It's easy to listen to (in terms of availability) and get a hold of, it's 'catchy', and often talks about drugs and crime, which, obviously, is really cool. Your friends, classmates, coworkers, and other peers like Lil Wayne, so obviously you have to like him, or you'll stick out. And it just kind of happens, you don't even think about whether you actually like him or not. Because 'you' is 'them'. The general conception is that this kind of (indirect) peer pressure occurs only in grade school, but it is commonplace among people well out of that age group. How did it become mainstream? My theory is a sort of convoluted version of the underdog phenomenon. American Hip hop and rap music, and the culture/image that goes along with said music, has been largely pioneered by black people, typically of African-American descent. It's not racist, that's just how it happened in the US. I don't really know much about rap movements elsewhere. Now, for a long, long time, these ethnic groups were targeted, labeled, and persecuted as inferior, just because of the color of their skin. Great strides have been made in equality, but even in the 1980s and 1990s (to this day, for that matter), racism was rampant. Black people were/are "the underdogs". And everyone loves to root for the underdog. So slowly, rap music, which, as I mentioned, was mostly pioneered by young black men, has become the norm of musical genres. So what does it all mean? Not a whole lot. You might think that you're cool for listening to metal and that rap fans are foolish. Guess what? They think they're cool for listening to rap and you're listening to some assholes thrashing some instruments and yelling really loud. At the end of the day, musical taste is like political or religious views - most people have one, mindlessly stick by it to a fault, and think any view that opposes it is wrong. Arbitrary bullshit like saying who has a 'good' or 'bad' taste in music is just like saying who's religion is 'right' or 'wrong'. TL;DR - Listen to whatever the fuck you want, let others listen to whatever the fuck they want, enjoy it, let them enjoy themselves, and move on. | ||
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Falling
Canada11369 Posts
On January 28 2011 01:53 CaptainCrush wrote: Ur kidding, right? Find me a recent rap song that doesnt talk about how much money, bitches, or cars they have at their house and I'll be a monkey's uncle.... Metal may talk about the same stupid shit but at least I don't understand most of it :p I can't stand rap/ hip-hop these days.... Some Jurassic 5? Dunno what is considered recent rap (as I also listen to 70's and 80's rock), but this came out in 2006. Music video kinda a mockery of the Bush era without going crazy. Just a sweet song about their history in rap This one actually is point out state of modern rap as being nothing more than " money, bitches, or cars"/ gang posers. | ||
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norlock
Netherlands918 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:00 CaptainCrush wrote: Sorry for contributing to the thread, call me crazy... You came in here just trying to derail and insult Americans... I don't listen to rap because I hate the lyrics and overall lack of talent that it takes to create a "popular" rap song. I do listen to metal because I loved the sound of an electric guitar and the fast pace. So please, european, go back to whatever hole you crawled out of and quit insulting americans for talking about the exact topic that a thread was created for.... I am not dumb I know most Americans aren't like you, but you really fit the stereotype. Screaming the loudest with your opinion as a "good" arguement. And saying rap doesn't take skill, is just as dumb as saying that all metalbands are satanic. You know better, because you know the bands. But like for instance Mike Skinner from the streets is also really good in his genre. If you like metal it is fine but don't act like you are listening to the superior music. And by the way music doesn't have a linear line with how good it is and skillness. Some people listen pure for enjoyment, other for the technical compositions. Edit (I listen to metal to btw, so don't put me on the hip hop side ore something) | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
On January 28 2011 03:00 CaptainCrush wrote: And saying rap doesn't take skill, is just as dumb as saying that all metalbands are satanic. And by the way music doesn't have a linear line with how good it is and skillness. Some people listen pure for enjoyment, other for the technical compositions. Edit (I listen to metal to btw, so don't put me on the hip hop side ore something) CaptainCrush: GO GEODUDE norlock: I choose you Bulbasaur CaptainCrush: GEODUDE USE HARDEN. *Geodude does not know harden norlock: *sigh vinewhip Bulb *Bulbasaur uses vinewhip *IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE *Geodude faints *norlock wins PWNED | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? Metal isn't the only kind of music in the world. Hip Hop and Rap aren't genres based on technical musicianship like some of metal is. And "talking into a microphone" can be much more of an art than you give it credit for. By the way - for an elitist metalhead, you have terrible taste in metal. Cannibal Corpse? Korn? System of a Down? lol? | ||
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wwer
United States53 Posts
On January 28 2011 06:38 PH wrote: Metal isn't the only kind of music in the world. Hip Hop and Rap aren't genres based on technical musicianship like some of metal is. Nujabes would like a word with you | ||
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hugedong
United States510 Posts
On January 28 2011 06:38 PH wrote: Metal isn't the only kind of music in the world. Hip Hop and Rap aren't genres based on technical musicianship like some of metal is. And "talking into a microphone" can be much more of an art than you give it credit for. By the way - for an elitist metalhead, you have terrible taste in metal. Cannibal Corpse? Korn? System of a Down? lol? fuk ya canibol corpe ya | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
(P.S- I have a lot of respect for rappers like k-os or lupe fiasco, but there are plenty of "mainstream" rappers who talk about stuff besides "bitches, drugs, and whores") | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
BUT, Mainstream seems to be getting worse imo but doesnt mean you should hate it all.. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On January 28 2011 14:31 wwer wrote: Nujabes would like a word with you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSzv9NCwI1I&feature=related RIP =[ Was so sad the day I found out. Drank a shot for him. | ||
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wwer
United States53 Posts
On January 28 2011 15:14 chaoser wrote: RIP =[ Was so sad the day I found out. Drank a shot for him. I honestly think i can understand kinda what it felt like when people found out Jimmy Hendrix died. | ||
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Origiral
Korea (South)106 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
I like to think every creative genre has its gems. But styles that aggressively restrict their content (such as romance novels or screamo or dating sims) make that hope difficult. | ||
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WAAA
New Zealand291 Posts
I mainly listen to hiphop these days and alot of other sample based music.. metal doesnt really appeal to me. There was a time when I liked to listen to heavy music, be it rap or metal.. but now I pretty much only listen to more chill music. Which means I dont like most of the metal genre.. altho there is some I really like such eg some of opeths stuff. Technical musicianship is great and all in both rap and metal but in the end its all about whatever provides boyancy for your vessel yo. | ||
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SpoR
United States1542 Posts
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Seanly
Canada73 Posts
This is the kind of metal that everyone needs to hear whether you're a metalhead or not. That being said I'm not anti-hip/hop I just find myself much more interested in the Djent side of metal. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Simply Beautiful | ||
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Ezekyle
Australia607 Posts
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BeefEU
Netherlands260 Posts
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SecondChance
Australia603 Posts
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TeWy
France714 Posts
Just saying. | ||
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HansMoleman
United States343 Posts
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Liveon
Netherlands1083 Posts
anyway, I like metal, quite a bit. Different sorts of music take different kinds of skill. I think the music Muse makes is good, since there's a lot of variation and it's very technically. There's also very simple music (Alice in Videoland, Ashbury Heights (they're so awesome)), but the songs can be very addictive and cool to listen to. I don't really think the complexity of music is what you can use to judge them, it's just a matter of opinion. I like Symphonic metal, others like black metal, others like hiphop. I hate popular music and overall music where black people are singing. I also hate music sung in Dutch. But there're other people who like that, I don't know why, but I don't really care either. I let people listen to music I like and if they think it's awesome, that's nice. Most people don't like my style of music, I don't have a clue why, but that's their problem, not mine Make music, not (flame)war ^^ | ||
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njnick
United States176 Posts
On February 01 2011 17:50 TeWy wrote: There's nothing more pathetic than nerds living in good area and listening to gangster rap. Just saying. So what music I am allowed to listen that gives me cool points then. This is like saying I cannot enjoy religious music because I am an atheist. I hope you learn that people from all walks of life can relate and empathize with people in worse situation than themselves. What about nerdy kids who moved out of the projects and still listen to gangster rap? Are they allowed to listen? Personally, I like song from all genres from, just example: Knaan people like me and Rise Against - Hero Of War | ||
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couches
618 Posts
On February 01 2011 17:50 TeWy wrote: Rich suburban white kids feel like they need to rebel from their parents or their mundane lives. Rap and metal or any extreme genre of music give them those rebellious feelings. A goth kid in 1996 wearing fishnet stockings, a drapey black, cut-up t-shirt and combat boots listening to nin or marylin manson is in the same boat. Doesn't matter if the music is made by, or for black or white people as long as it's rebellious.There's nothing more pathetic than nerds living in good area and listening to gangster rap. Just saying. | ||
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njnick
United States176 Posts
On February 02 2011 00:55 couches wrote: Rich suburban white kids feel like they need to rebel from their parents or their mundane lives. Rap and metal or any extreme genre of music give them those rebellious feelings. A goth kid in 1996 wearing fishnet stockings, a drapey black, cut-up t-shirt and combat boots listening to nin or marylin manson is in the same boat. Doesn't matter if the music is made by, or for black or white people as long as it's rebellious. So you’re saying a well off person only enjoys gangster rap to rebel against their parents. What about people who are well off and started to listen to gangster rap in their thirties. Are they trying to rebel? Also how do these people choose between the “emo” music and the gangster rap music? Considering that the ONLY reason these people listen is too rebel, than they should listen to both right right… | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
aka 90% of this thread | ||
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BentoBox
Canada303 Posts
Popular music of all genres have always had bad connotations with the ''purists'' out there. It doesn't matter if you listen to hip-hop/metal/country. I can name a different artist for every genre that appears on TV on the daily and do their best at defaming the image of the genre as a whole. Fuck rap, its all about money and bitches. Fuck metal, its all cacophonies, puking into mics, and artists with unkempt hyegiene. Fuck blues and their banters over the most trivial aspects of their lives. So on and so forth. And then you'll have the posters on the forums agreeing with either party while posting YT links of what they believe better represents a certain genre. We could all just agree that most mainstream music is trash and stop obsessing over such trivial debates. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
If anything, you should be happy that the bandwagonners aren't listening to your favorite genre of music nor should you be trying to convince them to listen to your favorite genre. One, they enjoy what they want, even if it's absolute cow shit in your view. Second, do you want those people showing up at your concerts? I certainly don't want 14 year old Bieber maniacs showing up at the Flesh Consumed show because someone told them that this metal music is supposed to be good. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On January 28 2011 15:19 wwer wrote: I honestly think i can understand kinda what it felt like when people found out Jimmy Hendrix died. My dad said finding out was like finding out the person who just threw up on your shoes drunk got into a car wreck. everyone knew it was going to happen, but no one wanted it. Hendrix was a special case. and if you want to complain about a popular song ect that takes absolutely no technical skill complain about the beatles. some of those songs take no effort at all. but that doesn't mean they aren't good songs. for instance: the least talented band ever that people have heard of: 3Oh!3. make great music, but they are possibly the worst performers ever. this is what happens when composers perform. | ||
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prodiG
Canada2016 Posts
On February 02 2011 02:10 LoLAdriankat wrote: Taste in music is subjective anyway. There's no right or wrong when it comes to music (the whole classification, not just western music). If anything, you should be happy that the bandwagonners aren't listening to your favorite genre of music nor should you be trying to convince them to listen to your favorite genre. One, they enjoy what they want, even if it's absolute cow shit in your view. Second, do you want those people showing up at your concerts? I certainly don't want 14 year old Bieber maniacs showing up at the Flesh Consumed show because someone told them that this metal music is supposed to be good. I've been kicked out of shows for starting mosh pits when they let minors in. How the fuck was I supposed to know? >: O At any rate, people look for different things in their music. For some people it's just a simple rhythm with a good beat, for some people they like music where there's so much different shit going on your mind melts + Show Spoiler [like this] + | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
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VeNoM HaZ Skill
United States1528 Posts
On February 02 2011 02:04 BentoBox wrote: What I'm sure has been said many times: Popular music of all genres have always had bad connotations with the ''purists'' out there. It doesn't matter if you listen to hip-hop/metal/country. I can name a different artist for every genre that appears on TV on the daily and do their best at defaming the image of the genre as a whole. Fuck rap, its all about money and bitches. Fuck metal, its all cacophonies, puking into mics, and artists with unkempt hyegiene. Fuck blues and their banters over the most trivial aspects of their lives. So on and so forth. And then you'll have the posters on the forums agreeing with either party while posting YT links of what they believe better represents a certain genre. We could all just agree that most mainstream music is trash and stop obsessing over such trivial debates. No, no, no... Rap is about fucking bitches and getting money... | ||
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InsaniaK
Sweden120 Posts
On December 10 2010 17:01 BenKen wrote: Lots of reasons. a) Metal is only for "rawr so intense!". Maybe I don't feel like kicking someone's ass at the moment. There are very few exceptions to this. For example, I can't put on some metal on a first date or at a party with co-workers. Some girls like metal, but not many. b) Hip Hop fits more situations. There are hip-hop songs to get you pumped up to kick someone's ass, songs to get you laid, songs to get you thinking about life, songs to dance to, songs to celebrate to, songs about getting dumped, songs to talk about how awesome you are etc... Most girls like hip-hop in some form or another. c) It's really not as "high-level" musicianship as it seems, it's just played with a lot of intensity and speed. Nothing wrong with that; I still get in the mood for that on occasion. Lots of country players and christian rock bands are more skilled than most metal guitarists though. d) It used to be next to impossible to sound like Metallica. Now anyone with $200 can get balls-crushing guitar tone. Hell, Nickelback's guitar tone is heavier than the Kill'em all album. Anyone can line up some Marshalls and a drumkit and blast out some metal. On the other hand, most homebrew "beats" people make sounds like shit imo, and that's usually because it's hard to get the gear to sound like Kanye, and yes there is some skill involved in the production. e) It's 30+ years old. Metal is locked into "Heavy guitars + intense vocals + drums + bass" so it's gotten stale after 3 decades. Every iteration of this formula has been done to death by this point. I'm not saying Hip-hop is anything revolutionary right now, but it still occasionally sounds new. Metal hasn't sounded like anything new in a long, long time. Funny thing is, i've listened to shit-tons of metal in the course of my life. I've played in metal bands when I was in high school, and know ever guitar part for the Master of Puppets album by heart. I also know next to nothing about hip-hop compared to your average sorority girl. So you know where my biases are. Still seems obvious to me why one is more popular than the other. I'm not trying to shit on your favorite musical genre though. Who cares what's popular. It's just sounds in the end, listen to what you like. I personally don't listen a lot to metal(more of a hard rock person) but you haven't listened to metal EVER have you? Saying that metal is all "omfgs letz go kill sum pplz RAAAWR" is just ridiculous. Metallica has some really non-intense songs.(One, nothing else matters, unforgiven 1/2/3 and so on) and at c) Yeah, when one genre is extremely small compared to the other there're bound to be bad musicians in the larger. There are a few metal guitar players I don't like a lot but nonetheless I have to agree that it requires HUGE amounts of skill to do what they do.Yngvie Malmsten for example, I don't like his music very much but the speed and accuracy required his extreme. It's like I don't like the early terran cheeses in sc2 but some people perform them perfectly which is extremely hard. | ||
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