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Quesadilla
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1814 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-19 03:36:24
April 18 2010 16:52 GMT
#1
For everybody here that enjoys a bit of that double-bass and ditry vocals so commonly opening up MSL's and Proleague matches, you may enjoy this music industry forecast and find some good new music along the way. For a community as technically oriented as TL, you might appreciate some excessively technical music. Djent is going to get very big in the metal scene.

Welcome to the genre, "Djent". Djent, by definition, is purely a homophone. It won't take incredibly long for you to understand why after a listen or two to the purveyors of this growing sub-genre. While Djent should broadly be considered Metal music, it is definitely it's own entity characterized by incessant bending of deep notes. This music is full of constant polyrhythms, off-time patterns, progressive song structure, and out of control chord progressions.

soliddew put it perfectly:
On April 19 2010 07:32 soliddew wrote:
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On April 19 2010 07:13 Navane wrote:
On April 19 2010 05:43 soliddew wrote:
A lot of people in this thread have been saying its a polyrhythm, but i think the more appropriate term is a polymeter. most of meshuggah's music is built in polymeter, which means that while the music is in 4/4, the main riff is not in 4/4. the polymeter between the non 4/4 and the 4/4 is created by the snare and generally the cymbals. so while there are polyrhythms in meshuggah's music, they are quite different from the rarer polymeter.


Can you elaborate on this? It sounds very interesting.

I was once in a band were the guitars played 4 times a 5/4 measure riff, and the drums just went straight 4/4, but for 5 measures so in the end it was all even. Whats that called? And can you define polyrythm? And "he polymeter between the non 4/4 and the 4/4 is created by the snare and generally the cymbals." I don't get that?


the main goal of "djent" is to create a groove based around a cyclical rhythm/riff, but will generally total up to 4/4 in terms of beats. sure, you can count Periphery's Icarus Lives in 4/4, but you'll notice that the riff does NOT start again on beat 1, and it repeats OVER the bar. This is because the rhythm they are playing is either longer OR shorter than 4/4. However, the groove is still felt in 4, and the snare and cymbals are also in 4. meshuggah said it themselves: they do not count the time signature they are playing, they feel the polymetric groove they create.
therefore,


4/4 riff timing is not welcome.

There are a few basic requirements to play Djent. It's forefathers, DIY math/music masters Meshuggah from Sweden, have long been the lone rangers playing this ridiculously heavy style of music. Second only to Dream Theater, Meshuggah is the bane of every modern music theory student's existence. They made 8-string guitars famous in the metal world. Recently, 8-string guitars to metal kids are like SC2 Beta keys to nerds. Let's survey the gear:


Most Djent guitar players by default play custom Ibanez 8-strings, and they have recently become a stock production guitar. There are many custom guitar companies also making them. 8-strings enable sounds that most of our brains have not heard before in music. Green Day plays in E-standard; most Djent band's lowest string is in F#, nearly an octave lower. The tones of choice are purely digital. Usually, a Line 6 midi controller will control a rack of compression and digital effects that are then run out of the house sound system, or directly into a computer. Those who don't use racks usually opt for Engl Invader 100 amplifiers or Diezel's. Orange Amplification cabinets have found a resurgence in the metal scene because of their incredibly warm tones and extra-thick ply-wood that can actually handle the low tones our brains have trouble comprehending.

Drummers require 4-part independence, which means, they need to be able to play 4 different parts in different time signatures, simultaneously. Their kick drums usually mimic the patterns of the overly-percussive guitar riffs, and the snare is used to accent whichever time signature they are in (which is usually only for a moment). Some Djent bands like to use electronic drum kits that are triggered when recording. That means they play the songs exactly like a real kit, but a computer synthesizes the tones. Excluding jazz music, there isn't anything more difficult to do behind a drumkit than this.

Bass players are bass players.

Vocalists are required to talk about space, why Earth isn't fun, and use huge words that nobody understands. Keep in mind, their job isn't easy though. They must know the time signatures and parts as well as the other members, for their voice is used partially as a percussive interjection into the songs. Some Djent bands prefer no vocals at all. Vocals usually aren't the centerpiece of this genre, anyways.

Let's meet the lineup:

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Sumerian Records is a recent record label that has jumped onto this trend faster than anybody else. Touting growing death metal names like The Faceless, Sumerian reached enough with them success to pick up-and-coming Djent bands up like SCV's mining minerals. That being said...

Meet Periphery.
Led by Misha Mansoor, resident brown guitar genius, this band will be the biggest, the soonest, and the fastest. They self-produced their album (which comes out today) and have had a DIY existence from the start. Matt Halpern behind the drums is a phenomenal, classically trained player.

Icarus Lives MV -


"Jamming"


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Personally, I like Vildhjarta best.
Hailing from Sweden, these Meshuggah babies are incredibly heavy and sport 2 vocalists. Beware of their self-produced 2010 album dropping, it will be ridiculous.

Shiver


Deceit


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Meshuggah, the inventors. No explanation needed.
Bleed (you will bleed if you try to play this)


Rational Gaze


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TesseracT
From the UK, the self-released their demo tracks and received an overwhelming response in 2007. Because of that response, they will be releasing a new album this year.

Concealing Fate Part One


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Animals As Leaders
Led by Tosin Abasi, this Nigerian wonder-boy creates abstract jazz-influenced Djent whilst looping riffs over himself live in a completely instrumental self-titled album.

CAFO (Live)


On Impulse ...my favorite


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After The Burial
Minnesota tech-metal Djent geeks After The Burial bring their own style to the genre whilst incorporating more traditional metal riffs and structure borrowed from metalcore influences.

Aspirations (old version)


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Other notable Djent-ish bands:
Architects
Impending Doom
Volumes
Veil of Maya
Born of Osiris
The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza

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captainwafflos
Profile Joined February 2009
United States212 Posts
April 18 2010 17:00 GMT
#2
why do we need another name for tech metal
Jasarn
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia101 Posts
April 18 2010 17:01 GMT
#3
Can't believe I'm reading about Djent on TL.. do you happen to post on the MX music forums by any chance?
Quesadilla
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1814 Posts
April 18 2010 17:05 GMT
#4
On April 19 2010 02:00 captainwafflos wrote:
why do we need another name for tech metal


Man you rock! I wish I could read entire articles and watch 10 videos in 7 minutes.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
April 18 2010 17:05 GMT
#5
chugga chugga chugga chugga chug chug

when it comes down to it, I think most people will agree that Meshuggah has a lot of talent, but that doesn't mean their songs get to just chug chug chug

I also can't stand the whole switching from clean to dirty vocals all the time. Sounds stupid.
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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
April 18 2010 17:07 GMT
#6
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captainwafflos
Profile Joined February 2009
United States212 Posts
April 18 2010 17:12 GMT
#7
On April 19 2010 02:05 Quesadilla wrote:
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On April 19 2010 02:00 captainwafflos wrote:
why do we need another name for tech metal


Man you rock! I wish I could read entire articles and watch 10 videos in 7 minutes.


yes, i read your entire post before posting, and i'm familiar with most of the bands you've cited.

these bands all fall within the spectrum of "technical metal" (or technical death metal, which is basically synonymous these days). we don't need to give every band its own genre, and djent sounds Silly.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 17:15:31
April 18 2010 17:12 GMT
#8
Btw, the name "djent" comes from the sound you get when you palm mute with razor tight, high gain tone. "DJENT! DJEN-DJENT!"

I don't want to call this a genre of it's own.

Meshuggah are still a metal band, or math-metal or whatever. I totally get what's "djent" about these bands but the music they play is still alot of times a mix of metal and hardcore. Alot of heavy music today falls under the metal-core banner. It's all a huge mix nowadays and I think "djent" is a weird category to put bands in.

My band used to tune down to F# thirteen years ago btw. Our guitarist and drummer were in love with Meshuggah at that time so I've done alot of djenting in the rehearsal room. The rhythm stuff can be very tricky indeed.

Btw, a band you should mention is definately Fear Factory. They have been busting out stuff like this since '95. Pantera also "djents" alot, check out Primal conrete sledge for instance.
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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 17:17:30
April 18 2010 17:15 GMT
#9
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Krowser
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada788 Posts
April 18 2010 17:16 GMT
#10
Awesome OP. I'm a big fan of Animals as Leaders, Born of Osiris and Veil of Maya. I just added a few more to my list.
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Quesadilla
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1814 Posts
April 18 2010 17:17 GMT
#11
On April 19 2010 02:07 boesthius wrote:
I can't tell if you're serious or not.

By saying these bands are djent(which i still have no idea what the fuck that means), you encompass a shitton of metal genres that are barely related.

Meshuggah is progressive death metal that plays in standard times but with polyrhythms. Impending Doom is entry-level death metal/borderline death core. The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza is pure mathcore with some grind thrown in. Born of Osiris is really terrible deathcore. Animals as Leaders is a progressive metal band. Periphery plays a mathy metalcore.

I really dont understand why you think this is going to blow up as you say it is. All you're doing is trying to quantify a shitload of genres into the only thing they have in common - different meters; which has been around for ages. Like I really don't get why you're lumping in these random deathcore bands in here. Maybe because they have breakdowns? I dunno.


I said Djent-ish* at the bottom, and no, I definitely didn't make up the term. It's odd, and something to talk about as there are a ton of metal fans on TL. I agree they aren't all in this category, and I also agree that a few of them are terrible But I can't even count how many "Got Djent?" shirts I saw before I moved to Korea. 8-string guitars weren't stock production until last year, i.e. it's growing. Again, it's a discussion, and I love the fact that you are raging.

Keep in mind, Veil of Maya landed at #24 on Billboard last week and the guys from Meshuggah make millions/year. DIY metal is getting really big and cutting out the middleman, labels. Kind of a new wave as the music industry is changing.
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Quesadilla
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1814 Posts
April 18 2010 17:19 GMT
#12
On April 19 2010 02:12 Foucault wrote:
Btw, the name "djent" comes from the sound you get when you palm mute with razor tight, high gain tone. "DJENT! DJEN-DJENT!"

I don't want to call this a genre of it's own.

Meshuggah are still a metal band, or math-metal or whatever. I totally get what's "djent" about these bands but the music they play is still alot of times a mix of metal and hardcore. Alot of heavy music today falls under the metal-core banner. It's all a huge mix nowadays and I think "djent" is a weird category to put bands in.

My band used to tune down to F# thirteen years ago btw. Our guitarist and drummer were in love with Meshuggah at that time so I've done alot of djenting in the rehearsal room. The rhythm stuff can be very tricky indeed.

Btw, a band you should mention is definately Fear Factory. They have been busting out stuff like this since '95. Pantera also "djents" alot, check out Primal conrete sledge for instance.


You're right about some of those other details. I'll update the OP as people continue to talk about it... I know I'm not the only one with experience and an opinion about it. As odd as it is, it's literately becoming a sub-genre though. As I said, I'm just noting what I've seen and heard from some A&R guys, specifically Sumerian (who are getting rich).
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Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 17:23:06
April 18 2010 17:20 GMT
#13
So yeah Meshuggah have had a tremendous influence on heavy music no doubt. Never heard of Vildhjarta (we have too much good music in Sweden it's ridiculous) but they sounded very tight. The name means "wild heart" btw.

It's hilarious how many sub genres there are in heavy music today
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ccou
Profile Joined December 2008
United States681 Posts
April 18 2010 17:20 GMT
#14
DJ entus?
Wake up Mr. B!
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
April 18 2010 17:23 GMT
#15
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Hypnotikdel
Profile Joined April 2009
United States333 Posts
April 18 2010 17:30 GMT
#16
Metal has more sub-genres than any other music genre i've ever heard of. This shit is ridiculous. In this thread 3 different people called the same band 3 different grenres lol.
sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
April 18 2010 17:32 GMT
#17
Tosin Abasi is pretty damn good at guitar, otherwise I kinda feel the same way as other people, this isn't some big revolution. I'd say it's a cool step for metal-ish bands. I could probably like some of these bands if they did not have a vocalist or tried to incorporate another instrument as the "voice." These are the types of groups that would be awesome live, but feel kinda weird just sitting here at my pc
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ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
April 18 2010 17:33 GMT
#18
LOL. Wow. Djent is a horrible genre if all it is is a bunch of bands ripping off Meshuggah, who are terribly boring in their own right.

Oh wow, their so technical, they have 8 string guitars and play polyrhythms at weird time signatures. Too bad most of them can't create a compelling song to save their lives. Bornig metal, for snobby metalheads who think that they are somehow special or intelligent for enjoying it.
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zee
Profile Joined January 2010
201 Posts
April 18 2010 17:35 GMT
#19
sounds good thanks ill dl some. ^^
m4gdelen4
Profile Joined October 2008
United States416 Posts
April 18 2010 17:35 GMT
#20
Meshuggah is the best of all these bands. Don't bother the the rest...
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