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decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
January 26 2011 22:57 GMT
#641
On January 27 2011 03:11 KvltMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 01:28 decaf wrote:
I bet you don't know shit about hip hop.

What you hear on the radio nowadays is pop and not hip hop.

Almost noone listens to it, because it is way too deep for most of the people and you need at least some knowledge to know what they are even talking about.
Best example: Immortal Technique

Go on youtube and listen to one of his songs and tell me that many people listen to that kind of music. The averagy guy is too dumb to understand his lyrics.

+ Show Spoiler +
[Verse 1]
You better watch what the fuck flies outta ya mouth
Or I'ma hijack a plane and fly it into your house
Burn your apartment with your family tied to the couch
And slit your throat, so when you scream, only blood comes out
I doubt that there could ever be...a more wicked MC
'Cause AIDS infested child molesters aren't sicker than me
I see the world for what it is, beyond the white and the black
The way the government downplays historical facts
'Cause the United States sponsored the rise of the 3rd Reich
Just like the CIA trained terrorists to the fight
Build bombs and sneak box cutters onto a flight
When I was a child, the Devil himself bought me a mic
But I refused the offer, 'cause God sent me to strike
With skills unused like fallopian tubes on a dyke
My words'll expose George Bush and Bin Laden
As two separate parts of the same seven headed dragon
And you can't fathom the truth, so you don't hear me
You think illuminati's just a fucking conspiracy theory?
That's why Conservative racists are all runnin' shit
And your phone is tapped by the Federal Government
So I'm jammin' frequencies in ya brain when you speak to me
Technique will rip a rapper to pieces indecently
Pack weapons illegally, because I'm never hesitant
Sniper scoping a commission controlling the president

[Hook]
Father, forgive them, for they don't know right from wrong
The truth will set you free, written down in this song
And the song has the Cause of Death written in code
The Word of God brought to life, that'll save ya soul..

Save ya soul motherfucker...save ya soul..

Yeah, yeah, yeah

[Verse 2]
I hacked the Pentagon for self-incriminating evidence
Of Republican manufactured white powder pestilence
Marines Corps. flack vest, with the guns and ammo
Spittin' bars like a demon stuck inside a piano
Turn a Sambo into a soldier with just one line
Now here's the truth about the system that'll fuck up your mind
They gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992
And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true
And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this
Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics
But you act like America wouldn't destroy two buildings
In a country that was sponsoring bombs dropped on our children
I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest
I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives
And they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did
About the bombs planted on the George Washington bridge
Four Non-Arabs arrested during the emergency
And then it disappeared from the news permanently
They dubbed a tape of Osama, and they said it was proof
"Jealous of our freedom," I can't believe you bought that excuse
Rocking a motherfucking flag don't make you a hero
Word to Ground Zero
The Devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th
The New World Order was born on September 11

[Hook]

[Verse 3]
And just so Conservatives don't take it to heart
I don't think Bush did it, 'cause he isn't that smart
He's just a stupid puppet taking orders on his cell phone
From the same people that sabotaged Senator Wellstone
The military industry got it poppin' and lockin'
Looking for a way to justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine
And as a matter of fact, Rumsfeld, now that I think back
Without 9/11, you couldn't have a war in Iraq
Or a Defense budget of world conquest proportions
Kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortions
Tax cut extortion, a blessing to the wealthy and wicked
But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted
And Dick Cheney, you fucking leech, tell them your plans
About building your pipelines through Afghanistan
And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan
You might have some house niggas fooled, but I understand
Colonialism is sponsored by corporations
That's why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations
Tell me the truth, I don't scare into paralysis
I know the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis
In '98 when he was Top Ten for the FBI
Government ties is really why the Government lies
Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why
'Cause then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die..

If most of the people listen to this and are able to understand it then I underestimated the human race.
edit: The song is called cause of death if you feel like listening to it, better than reading thru lyrics.

My first hiphop-elitist encounter!
Hello, dear hiphop-elitist. Immortal Technique can rhyme, other than that he ruined a perfectly good CunninLynguists song, and he is not that fucking smart since he believes in every single dingbat conspiracy theory out there. Plus, he's hardly underground, and neither is AOTP, Ill Bill or JMT.

Hello dear whoever you are!
You do realize that immortal technique is as underground as it can get when you're not living in NYC? Don't call me an elitist if you think good rap music is rated by its level of underground-ness, it clearly isn't. Rap _can_ be good even if it isn't underground (like wu tang was bak in the days), but as it is now you will only hear hear faggots that call themselves rappers like 50c, lil wayne etc but their songs got no meaning or whatsoever. Non Phixion is the shit and immortal is most likely more intelligent than you are, it doesn't matter in what he believes - people who believe in any kind of religion are by no means any more intelligent (in fact thats most hateful kind of human being to ever given birth to)
KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
January 26 2011 23:34 GMT
#642
On January 27 2011 07:57 decaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 03:11 KvltMan wrote:
On January 27 2011 01:28 decaf wrote:
I bet you don't know shit about hip hop.

What you hear on the radio nowadays is pop and not hip hop.

Almost noone listens to it, because it is way too deep for most of the people and you need at least some knowledge to know what they are even talking about.
Best example: Immortal Technique

Go on youtube and listen to one of his songs and tell me that many people listen to that kind of music. The averagy guy is too dumb to understand his lyrics.

+ Show Spoiler +
[Verse 1]
You better watch what the fuck flies outta ya mouth
Or I'ma hijack a plane and fly it into your house
Burn your apartment with your family tied to the couch
And slit your throat, so when you scream, only blood comes out
I doubt that there could ever be...a more wicked MC
'Cause AIDS infested child molesters aren't sicker than me
I see the world for what it is, beyond the white and the black
The way the government downplays historical facts
'Cause the United States sponsored the rise of the 3rd Reich
Just like the CIA trained terrorists to the fight
Build bombs and sneak box cutters onto a flight
When I was a child, the Devil himself bought me a mic
But I refused the offer, 'cause God sent me to strike
With skills unused like fallopian tubes on a dyke
My words'll expose George Bush and Bin Laden
As two separate parts of the same seven headed dragon
And you can't fathom the truth, so you don't hear me
You think illuminati's just a fucking conspiracy theory?
That's why Conservative racists are all runnin' shit
And your phone is tapped by the Federal Government
So I'm jammin' frequencies in ya brain when you speak to me
Technique will rip a rapper to pieces indecently
Pack weapons illegally, because I'm never hesitant
Sniper scoping a commission controlling the president

[Hook]
Father, forgive them, for they don't know right from wrong
The truth will set you free, written down in this song
And the song has the Cause of Death written in code
The Word of God brought to life, that'll save ya soul..

Save ya soul motherfucker...save ya soul..

Yeah, yeah, yeah

[Verse 2]
I hacked the Pentagon for self-incriminating evidence
Of Republican manufactured white powder pestilence
Marines Corps. flack vest, with the guns and ammo
Spittin' bars like a demon stuck inside a piano
Turn a Sambo into a soldier with just one line
Now here's the truth about the system that'll fuck up your mind
They gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992
And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true
And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this
Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics
But you act like America wouldn't destroy two buildings
In a country that was sponsoring bombs dropped on our children
I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest
I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives
And they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did
About the bombs planted on the George Washington bridge
Four Non-Arabs arrested during the emergency
And then it disappeared from the news permanently
They dubbed a tape of Osama, and they said it was proof
"Jealous of our freedom," I can't believe you bought that excuse
Rocking a motherfucking flag don't make you a hero
Word to Ground Zero
The Devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th
The New World Order was born on September 11

[Hook]

[Verse 3]
And just so Conservatives don't take it to heart
I don't think Bush did it, 'cause he isn't that smart
He's just a stupid puppet taking orders on his cell phone
From the same people that sabotaged Senator Wellstone
The military industry got it poppin' and lockin'
Looking for a way to justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine
And as a matter of fact, Rumsfeld, now that I think back
Without 9/11, you couldn't have a war in Iraq
Or a Defense budget of world conquest proportions
Kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortions
Tax cut extortion, a blessing to the wealthy and wicked
But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted
And Dick Cheney, you fucking leech, tell them your plans
About building your pipelines through Afghanistan
And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan
You might have some house niggas fooled, but I understand
Colonialism is sponsored by corporations
That's why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations
Tell me the truth, I don't scare into paralysis
I know the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis
In '98 when he was Top Ten for the FBI
Government ties is really why the Government lies
Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why
'Cause then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die..

If most of the people listen to this and are able to understand it then I underestimated the human race.
edit: The song is called cause of death if you feel like listening to it, better than reading thru lyrics.

My first hiphop-elitist encounter!
Hello, dear hiphop-elitist. Immortal Technique can rhyme, other than that he ruined a perfectly good CunninLynguists song, and he is not that fucking smart since he believes in every single dingbat conspiracy theory out there. Plus, he's hardly underground, and neither is AOTP, Ill Bill or JMT.

Hello dear whoever you are!
You do realize that immortal technique is as underground as it can get when you're not living in NYC? Don't call me an elitist if you think good rap music is rated by its level of underground-ness, it clearly isn't. Rap _can_ be good even if it isn't underground (like wu tang was bak in the days), but as it is now you will only hear hear faggots that call themselves rappers like 50c, lil wayne etc but their songs got no meaning or whatsoever. Non Phixion is the shit and immortal is most likely more intelligent than you are, it doesn't matter in what he believes - people who believe in any kind of religion are by no means any more intelligent (in fact thats most hateful kind of human being to ever given birth to)

I'll give religion a point here since I judged you prematurely, however, the entire
"Almost noone listens to it, because it is way too deep for most of the people and you need at least some knowledge to know what they are even talking about."-part just screams elitism, as if IT's music transcend some sort of universal genious. 2Pac sang about that stuff, and he was MTV's posterboy. But since you answered like a totally reasonable person, I apologize.

Get crunk
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
January 27 2011 01:18 GMT
#643
Whatever music you think is "manly" to me looks like pro wrestling in music form. It's all posturing.


Wow dude, how do you not see the joke? He was responding to my post...
S.O.L.I.D.
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States792 Posts
January 27 2011 04:24 GMT
#644
On January 27 2011 08:34 KvltMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 07:57 decaf wrote:
On January 27 2011 03:11 KvltMan wrote:
On January 27 2011 01:28 decaf wrote:
I bet you don't know shit about hip hop.

What you hear on the radio nowadays is pop and not hip hop.

Almost noone listens to it, because it is way too deep for most of the people and you need at least some knowledge to know what they are even talking about.
Best example: Immortal Technique

Go on youtube and listen to one of his songs and tell me that many people listen to that kind of music. The averagy guy is too dumb to understand his lyrics.

+ Show Spoiler +
[Verse 1]
You better watch what the fuck flies outta ya mouth
Or I'ma hijack a plane and fly it into your house
Burn your apartment with your family tied to the couch
And slit your throat, so when you scream, only blood comes out
I doubt that there could ever be...a more wicked MC
'Cause AIDS infested child molesters aren't sicker than me
I see the world for what it is, beyond the white and the black
The way the government downplays historical facts
'Cause the United States sponsored the rise of the 3rd Reich
Just like the CIA trained terrorists to the fight
Build bombs and sneak box cutters onto a flight
When I was a child, the Devil himself bought me a mic
But I refused the offer, 'cause God sent me to strike
With skills unused like fallopian tubes on a dyke
My words'll expose George Bush and Bin Laden
As two separate parts of the same seven headed dragon
And you can't fathom the truth, so you don't hear me
You think illuminati's just a fucking conspiracy theory?
That's why Conservative racists are all runnin' shit
And your phone is tapped by the Federal Government
So I'm jammin' frequencies in ya brain when you speak to me
Technique will rip a rapper to pieces indecently
Pack weapons illegally, because I'm never hesitant
Sniper scoping a commission controlling the president

[Hook]
Father, forgive them, for they don't know right from wrong
The truth will set you free, written down in this song
And the song has the Cause of Death written in code
The Word of God brought to life, that'll save ya soul..

Save ya soul motherfucker...save ya soul..

Yeah, yeah, yeah

[Verse 2]
I hacked the Pentagon for self-incriminating evidence
Of Republican manufactured white powder pestilence
Marines Corps. flack vest, with the guns and ammo
Spittin' bars like a demon stuck inside a piano
Turn a Sambo into a soldier with just one line
Now here's the truth about the system that'll fuck up your mind
They gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992
And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true
And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this
Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics
But you act like America wouldn't destroy two buildings
In a country that was sponsoring bombs dropped on our children
I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest
I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives
And they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did
About the bombs planted on the George Washington bridge
Four Non-Arabs arrested during the emergency
And then it disappeared from the news permanently
They dubbed a tape of Osama, and they said it was proof
"Jealous of our freedom," I can't believe you bought that excuse
Rocking a motherfucking flag don't make you a hero
Word to Ground Zero
The Devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th
The New World Order was born on September 11

[Hook]

[Verse 3]
And just so Conservatives don't take it to heart
I don't think Bush did it, 'cause he isn't that smart
He's just a stupid puppet taking orders on his cell phone
From the same people that sabotaged Senator Wellstone
The military industry got it poppin' and lockin'
Looking for a way to justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine
And as a matter of fact, Rumsfeld, now that I think back
Without 9/11, you couldn't have a war in Iraq
Or a Defense budget of world conquest proportions
Kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortions
Tax cut extortion, a blessing to the wealthy and wicked
But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted
And Dick Cheney, you fucking leech, tell them your plans
About building your pipelines through Afghanistan
And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan
You might have some house niggas fooled, but I understand
Colonialism is sponsored by corporations
That's why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations
Tell me the truth, I don't scare into paralysis
I know the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis
In '98 when he was Top Ten for the FBI
Government ties is really why the Government lies
Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why
'Cause then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die..

If most of the people listen to this and are able to understand it then I underestimated the human race.
edit: The song is called cause of death if you feel like listening to it, better than reading thru lyrics.

My first hiphop-elitist encounter!
Hello, dear hiphop-elitist. Immortal Technique can rhyme, other than that he ruined a perfectly good CunninLynguists song, and he is not that fucking smart since he believes in every single dingbat conspiracy theory out there. Plus, he's hardly underground, and neither is AOTP, Ill Bill or JMT.

Hello dear whoever you are!
You do realize that immortal technique is as underground as it can get when you're not living in NYC? Don't call me an elitist if you think good rap music is rated by its level of underground-ness, it clearly isn't. Rap _can_ be good even if it isn't underground (like wu tang was bak in the days), but as it is now you will only hear hear faggots that call themselves rappers like 50c, lil wayne etc but their songs got no meaning or whatsoever. Non Phixion is the shit and immortal is most likely more intelligent than you are, it doesn't matter in what he believes - people who believe in any kind of religion are by no means any more intelligent (in fact thats most hateful kind of human being to ever given birth to)

I'll give religion a point here since I judged you prematurely, however, the entire
"Almost noone listens to it, because it is way too deep for most of the people and you need at least some knowledge to know what they are even talking about."-part just screams elitism, as if IT's music transcend some sort of universal genious. 2Pac sang about that stuff, and he was MTV's posterboy. But since you answered like a totally reasonable person, I apologize.



2Pac was carrying the banner for gangster rap and essentially the whole rap movement during the 80s/90s. Yeah Immortal Technique raps about similar things, and so do other people, but that's not what's popular at the moment. It's catchy stuff now, choruses that get stuck in your head but don't mean anything. Gangster rap nowadays is dumb imo, seems like everyone wants to be 2Pac. I like Pac a lot because I think he's more genuine than the majority of rappers now, and a lot of his stuff has a real message. For every Hit Em Up there's a Keep Ya Head Up, he was the truth. Seems like anyone can front like a gangster and get on the radio nowadays. People need to be themselves.
jon arbuckle
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada443 Posts
January 27 2011 05:48 GMT
#645
It's really funny that people think there's that much of a demarcation between "underground" and "mainstream" anymore. It mostly seems to exist to people who need to toot their own horn, I guess.

Beyond that, most self-consciously, ardent, "underground" hip-hop isn't inspiring in form nor content. This has been the trend since Stakes Is High by De La Soul (1996, guys! people have been complaining about gangsta rap since 1996! in a bland and morose fashion!). Maudlin raps over mediocre beats about the same shit over and over again (Stakes Is High is good, Company Flow is okay), and oftentimes the networks are so set up that an indie rapper has a better shot at long-term financial success than any pretend gangster anyway.

But even then, "gangster rap" - so, Dipset, T.I., Clipse, Lil Wayne, Gucci Mane, etc. etc. - has been where the most exciting "underground" distribution channels were set up over the past decade. The mixtape culture has programmed into it way more reflexivity, reaction, and personality than anything some tantrum-throwing petulant pretender to Marxist revolutionary praxis like Immortal Technique could ever hope to offer.

Listen to what you want, but if fewer people listen to pseudo-intellectual "underground" rap that attempts to trade on presumed authenticity over actual creativity, gangsta rap is definitely not at fault.

The idea that anyone thinks IT is intellectually stimulating is somewhat scary by itself.
Mondays
Heafmo
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United Kingdom70 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 16:02:30
January 27 2011 15:59 GMT
#646
British poster, lived here all my life. I'm 23 and am already referring to people slightly younger than me as young whipper-snappers.

Mostly down to music taste, I don't find it rewarding to look for new stuff that I like, with a reward to disappointment ratio of roughly 1:50 I stick with what I know for Rap. Aesop Rock, Apathy, some Eminem and not that I'm asking, but would rather take recommendations on this forum from a user who strings a few 3+ syllable words into their posts.

In UK 'Grime' has been popular for a while now and I never really saw a decline in popularity of Rap/Hip-Hop (It's all under the same umbrella) more of a transition to Grime because it's more real and down to earth (remember, we don't live in UK, life is a little different). I've tried listening to it as surely the majority can't be wrong about it being good and listen worthy, right? Poor production/boring beats, The grime artists seem confused as to whether they're rapping about something or preaching abstract poetry, dynamics feel almost non-existent for me although I'm aware they're there and it seems that the main reason for the passion behind this Genre is the desire for competition (with the US, we like to think Grime is x10 better than any of the Rap that comes out of USA... Heh). Give me Kanye or Jay-Z anyday. They make better music plain and simple without being lofty (I'm sure there's a better word but I'm drawing blanks after English Lit).

Since giving grime a chance in 2009 though, I've only checked like 3 Grime Artists since.

So to answer OP. In UK, 'Grime' , I guess you could call the 'underground rap movement of the UK' is popular due to British pride (From what I've observed has increased because of all the children the majority of us witness on Xbox Live). And the desire to be 'badboy' a rebel, non-conformist. There is dialogues involving descriptions of violent events in which people claim to be involved but they're mostly the result of an unfulfilled life, over-generous benefits (welfare) gifting them enough time to come up with these motion littered presentations which either didn't happen or are gross exaggerations of an event where the violence totalled to 3 punches exchanged. I've had youths who fall into this 'stereotype' threaten me for belongings, as soon as I shot them down with some wit, (No, I didn't have a battle rap with them) they just shut up and went about their business loitering out of the shop.

Also I don't know anyone over 20 with a real passion for grime... Young whipper-snappers.

Disclosure: I really hope that Grime can evolve into something great but it feels like it's being made for the wrong reasons. Labours of love is what I really want.
Ooh, I love it when they touch it.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
January 27 2011 16:22 GMT
#647
It seems like people who do not share their musical tastes and feel alarmed when someone does not is called for having "bad taste" like a person who calls someone "closed minded" for not seeing and agreeing with his agenda. However, it is easier to prove someone is closed minded compared to proving that someone has poor musical taste.
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
January 27 2011 16:47 GMT
#648
Because hip hop and rap are great music which its lyrics talk about daily life or a story.

Unlike Metal music which is garbage, look at Slipknot, all they do is use swear words to appeal little rebellious 12 year old kids.
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
shwaffles
Profile Joined July 2010
United States117 Posts
January 27 2011 16:51 GMT
#649
On January 28 2011 01:47 ppshchik wrote:
Because hip hop and rap are great music which its lyrics talk about daily life or a story.

Unlike Metal music which is garbage, look at Slipknot, all they do is use swear words to appeal little rebellious 12 year old kids.

You can say the same thing about rap and hip hop, it goes both ways. :/
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
January 27 2011 16:53 GMT
#650
On January 28 2011 01:47 ppshchik wrote:
Because hip hop and rap are great music which its lyrics talk about daily life or a story.

Unlike Metal music which is garbage, look at Slipknot, all they do is use swear words to appeal little rebellious 12 year old kids.


Ur kidding, right?

Find me a recent rap song that doesnt talk about how much money, bitches, or cars they have at their house and I'll be a monkey's uncle....

Metal may talk about the same stupid shit but at least I don't understand most of it :p I can't stand rap/ hip-hop these days....
jon arbuckle
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada443 Posts
January 27 2011 17:25 GMT
#651
If your yardstick for what constitutes metal is Slipknot, you probably don't belong in this conversation.
Mondays
norlock
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands918 Posts
January 27 2011 17:32 GMT
#652
Please Americans stop acting so dumb, both ppschik and captaincrush, music is not about being good it is about enjoyment. It is so stupid people take music so seriously lately, just listen what ever you want and don't be bothered by the music you don't like little kids,
Are you human?
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
January 27 2011 18:00 GMT
#653
On January 28 2011 02:32 norlock wrote:
Please Americans stop acting so dumb, both ppschik and captaincrush, music is not about being good it is about enjoyment. It is so stupid people take music so seriously lately, just listen what ever you want and don't be bothered by the music you don't like little kids,


Sorry for contributing to the thread, call me crazy... You came in here just trying to derail and insult Americans... I don't listen to rap because I hate the lyrics and overall lack of talent that it takes to create a "popular" rap song. I do listen to metal because I loved the sound of an electric guitar and the fast pace. So please, european, go back to whatever hole you crawled out of and quit insulting americans for talking about the exact topic that a thread was created for....
acidfreak
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania352 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 18:24:21
January 27 2011 18:17 GMT
#654
Commercial, mainstream "rap" and real underground rap are 2 completely different things. That auto-tuned joke of a song that everyone listents to for like a month is made for nothing more than money. Underground rap is rarely made with profit in mind.

That said, I'm not into american underground rap but I do love the rap some artists make in my country.

I also listen to house and dnb and dubstep. In my country the mainstream is filled with this awfull "dance" that is even worse than the american "rap". Man I get ear cancer from listening to 99% of the radios in here. There was one underground house radio that I loved listeting to while driving, it was SO good. Then some assholes in suits bought it and now it brodcasts the same shit everything else brodcasts.

Thank god for the Internet.


Edit: This is what I consider rap


I know no one will understand the lyrics but you must take my word for it that it's a lirical masterpiece
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AtomicTon
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States103 Posts
January 27 2011 18:54 GMT
#655
mc chris said it best

White kids love hip hop
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KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 19:06:15
January 27 2011 19:04 GMT
#656
On January 28 2011 03:00 CaptainCrush wrote:
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On January 28 2011 02:32 norlock wrote:
Please Americans stop acting so dumb, both ppschik and captaincrush, music is not about being good it is about enjoyment. It is so stupid people take music so seriously lately, just listen what ever you want and don't be bothered by the music you don't like little kids,


Sorry for contributing to the thread, call me crazy... You came in here just trying to derail and insult Americans... I don't listen to rap because I hate the lyrics and overall lack of talent that it takes to create a "popular" rap song. I do listen to metal because I loved the sound of an electric guitar and the fast pace. So please, european, go back to whatever hole you crawled out of and quit insulting americans for talking about the exact topic that a thread was created for....

You contributed jack, you only answered in the same retarded tone the guy you quoted did.
"Find me a recent rap song that doesnt talk about how much money, bitches, or cars they have at their house and I'll be a monkey's uncle...."
Just grow up, you came in to this thread in an attempt to throw shit at rap.

Case closed - Europe Wins.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
January 27 2011 19:09 GMT
#657
On January 28 2011 01:53 CaptainCrush wrote:
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On January 28 2011 01:47 ppshchik wrote:
Because hip hop and rap are great music which its lyrics talk about daily life or a story.

Unlike Metal music which is garbage, look at Slipknot, all they do is use swear words to appeal little rebellious 12 year old kids.


Ur kidding, right?

Find me a recent rap song that doesnt talk about how much money, bitches, or cars they have at their house and I'll be a monkey's uncle....

Metal may talk about the same stupid shit but at least I don't understand most of it :p I can't stand rap/ hip-hop these days....




Though I guess it DOES talk about cars, bitches, and dough...in a different light though.



Rhymefest is really good at not talking about money, bitches, and cars
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yema1
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland101 Posts
January 27 2011 19:17 GMT
#658
Every class has a metal-head and a gangster wannabee, both being equally ridiculous. The metal-head usually has long hair, wears old, worn out jeans and a t-shirt depicting some metal band, often Cannibal Corpse. The metal-head usually smells bad and is an anarchist because it's 'cool'.

I've met 'metal-anarchists' who supported 70% taxes and wanted to ban guns all together. It's unfathomable why the metal-heads I've met can't be bothered to wash themselves on daily basis, it's not cool, hardcore or edgy to smell like shit. Weed isn't cool either.

Not that all people who like deathmetal are like that.
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Spyridon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States997 Posts
January 27 2011 19:34 GMT
#659
On January 28 2011 01:53 CaptainCrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2011 01:47 ppshchik wrote:
Because hip hop and rap are great music which its lyrics talk about daily life or a story.

Unlike Metal music which is garbage, look at Slipknot, all they do is use swear words to appeal little rebellious 12 year old kids.

Find me a recent rap song that doesnt talk about how much money, bitches, or cars they have at their house and I'll be a monkey's uncle....


Why hello Mr. Monkeys Uncle. You know, that's really easy to do. I can just go thru 1 of my playlists alone and find many examples.

If you knew anything about real rap/hip-hop you would know the REAL artists do not like the fact that "pop" commercial hip-hop talks about all of those things.

Heres some examples of songs that are AGAINST the ignorance in hip-hop, and how the ignorance is influenced by mainstream pop music :


















I hope you actually listen to those (unlike most the ignorant people who hate hiphop even though they know NOTHING about it), and figure out the meaning behind each song. You will see hip-hop is about much more than "money, bitches, cars" like you mentioned.

As a matter of fact, after you listen to those, I challenge you to find ANY song in ANY of the other genres discussed in this topic that share as deep of a meaning as these songs. Do you accept my challenge? =)
Kitetsu
Profile Joined October 2010
73 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 19:57:56
January 27 2011 19:54 GMT
#660
I listen to almost exclusively 'rock' music and its multiple branches - 60's/70's classic rock, 80's rock, 'modern rock' - the genres don't matter, but I'm talking about bands like the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, the Who, Genesis, the Yardbirds, Cream, Foreigner, the Police and more recent stuff like Muse, RHCP, RAtM, the Black Keys - I could go on and on. Kinda surprised that this thread went on for this long, I've read it off and on and it just seems like a lot of meaningless back-and-forth, but I'm bored so I'll add some input =P.

At any rate, the main reason why "everyone loves rap" it because it's 'mainstream'. It's easy to listen to (in terms of availability) and get a hold of, it's 'catchy', and often talks about drugs and crime, which, obviously, is really cool. Your friends, classmates, coworkers, and other peers like Lil Wayne, so obviously you have to like him, or you'll stick out. And it just kind of happens, you don't even think about whether you actually like him or not. Because 'you' is 'them'. The general conception is that this kind of (indirect) peer pressure occurs only in grade school, but it is commonplace among people well out of that age group.

How did it become mainstream? My theory is a sort of convoluted version of the underdog phenomenon. American Hip hop and rap music, and the culture/image that goes along with said music, has been largely pioneered by black people, typically of African-American descent. It's not racist, that's just how it happened in the US. I don't really know much about rap movements elsewhere.

Now, for a long, long time, these ethnic groups were targeted, labeled, and persecuted as inferior, just because of the color of their skin. Great strides have been made in equality, but even in the 1980s and 1990s (to this day, for that matter), racism was rampant. Black people were/are "the underdogs". And everyone loves to root for the underdog. So slowly, rap music, which, as I mentioned, was mostly pioneered by young black men, has become the norm of musical genres.

So what does it all mean? Not a whole lot. You might think that you're cool for listening to metal and that rap fans are foolish. Guess what? They think they're cool for listening to rap and you're listening to some assholes thrashing some instruments and yelling really loud. At the end of the day, musical taste is like political or religious views - most people have one, mindlessly stick by it to a fault, and think any view that opposes it is wrong. Arbitrary bullshit like saying who has a 'good' or 'bad' taste in music is just like saying who's religion is 'right' or 'wrong'.

TL;DR - Listen to whatever the fuck you want, let others listen to whatever the fuck they want, enjoy it, let them enjoy themselves, and move on.
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