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norlock
Netherlands918 Posts
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Rylaji
Sweden580 Posts
I listen to both HipHop and Metal, you know all hiphop is not 50 cent and Dr Dre and not all metal is Cannibal Corpse or Slipknot.. I personally enjoy more intricate hiphop such as Saian Supa Crew, Immortal Technique, Sage Francis and Tonedeff. And I also enjoy a fair share of melodic death metal such as In Flames, Dark Tranquillty, At the Gates, King Diamond, Kalmah etc. Point being, everyone has opinions, dont try to force yours on others. | ||
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JeanLuc
Canada377 Posts
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BeefEU
Netherlands260 Posts
I wonder why you "Metalheads" think hiphop is worthless music and sounds like shit, because when I hear metal all I hear is some guy screaming and 4 other guys bashing on their instruments. And hip hop being brainwashing? Alot of metal songs are about hate and stuff like that, and that isn't brainwashing? Anyway, haters will be haters! | ||
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Fumi
529 Posts
On January 27 2011 01:04 BeefEU wrote: Wow, all the hate versus hiphop and rap. I wonder why you "Metalheads" think hiphop is worthless music and sounds like shit, because when I hear metal all I hear is some guy screaming and 4 other guys bashing on their instruments. And hip hop being brainwashing? Alot of metal songs are about hate and stuff like that, and that isn't brainwashing? Anyway, haters will be haters! If you're referring to norlock up there, you didn't get his point, and you're coming off as just another hater. He meant that MTV is "brainwashing" the teenage audience by feeding them only with what's commercially good and generally perceived as cool, and he isn't wrong. If metal was the cool thing right now and earned ridiculously unfair amounts of money every year, MTV would be feeding that instead. If gangsta rap is your thing, then good, but you gotta understand where he's coming from. Unfortunately though, 90% of everything is crap, this goes for both genres as well. And in debates as pointless as this, the opposing sides will only look at each other's crap. | ||
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thehitman
1105 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 Punic wrote: i think this started with the beginning of opinions and the decline of robotic personalities. Huh? What are you even talking about? Apologize right now to the millions of people listening to metal! Actually I don't think too many people listen to hip-hop/rap. If you check in europe and asia its mostly electronic music or national new age music. | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
On January 27 2011 01:04 BeefEU wrote: Wow, all the hate versus hiphop and rap. I wonder why you "Metalheads" think hiphop is worthless music and sounds like shit, because when I hear metal all I hear is some guy screaming and 4 other guys bashing on their instruments. And hip hop being brainwashing? Alot of metal songs are about hate and stuff like that, and that isn't brainwashing? Anyway, haters will be haters! I find it odd that some people can't hear structure in metal. They must be deafened by the stirring emotion being driven into their ears. While hip-hop is good to listen to for the lyrics, and occasionally the beat and/or melody, I still find metal carries more musical intricacy despite its lack of lyrical substance. Also, very very very few hip-hop songs can give me the type of adrenaline rush and serotonin injection that I will get from an awesome metal song. This is not me hating on hip-hop, since there is some very good hip-hop available. I think the OP has just been force-fed 'beats of marketing' as Immortal Technique would say. The li'l Waynes and Nellies of the modern hi-hop scene (if they can even be called hip-hop) are probably what has deadened his heart to the genre. For some reason, I feel like listening to some Beethoven right now... Peace. | ||
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BeefEU
Netherlands260 Posts
On January 27 2011 01:18 Fumi wrote: If you're referring to norlock up there, you didn't get his point, and you're coming off as just another hater. He meant that MTV is "brainwashing" the teenage audience by feeding them only with what's commercially good and generally perceived as cool, and he isn't wrong. If metal was the cool thing right now and earned ridiculously unfair amounts of money every year, MTV would be feeding that instead. If gangsta rap is your thing, then good, but you gotta understand where he's coming from. Unfortunately though, 90% of everything is crap, this goes for both genres as well. And in debates as pointless as this, the opposing sides will only look at each other's crap. No I wasn't referring to Norlock, I was just posting in general. I don't care about mainstream or whatever stream, I never watch mtv or whatever, I just listen to what I like. And I totally agree about the brainwashing, it sickens me when I see some 11 year old girl acting like she's some gangster bitch that got laid just now. But wouldn't metal be just as bad if it was mainstream? | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
What you hear on the radio nowadays is pop and not hip hop. Almost noone listens to it, because it is way too deep for most of the people and you need at least some knowledge to know what they are even talking about. Best example: Immortal Technique Go on youtube and listen to one of his songs and tell me that many people listen to that kind of music. The averagy guy is too dumb to understand his lyrics. + Show Spoiler + [Verse 1] You better watch what the fuck flies outta ya mouth Or I'ma hijack a plane and fly it into your house Burn your apartment with your family tied to the couch And slit your throat, so when you scream, only blood comes out I doubt that there could ever be...a more wicked MC 'Cause AIDS infested child molesters aren't sicker than me I see the world for what it is, beyond the white and the black The way the government downplays historical facts 'Cause the United States sponsored the rise of the 3rd Reich Just like the CIA trained terrorists to the fight Build bombs and sneak box cutters onto a flight When I was a child, the Devil himself bought me a mic But I refused the offer, 'cause God sent me to strike With skills unused like fallopian tubes on a dyke My words'll expose George Bush and Bin Laden As two separate parts of the same seven headed dragon And you can't fathom the truth, so you don't hear me You think illuminati's just a fucking conspiracy theory? That's why Conservative racists are all runnin' shit And your phone is tapped by the Federal Government So I'm jammin' frequencies in ya brain when you speak to me Technique will rip a rapper to pieces indecently Pack weapons illegally, because I'm never hesitant Sniper scoping a commission controlling the president [Hook] Father, forgive them, for they don't know right from wrong The truth will set you free, written down in this song And the song has the Cause of Death written in code The Word of God brought to life, that'll save ya soul.. Save ya soul motherfucker...save ya soul.. Yeah, yeah, yeah [Verse 2] I hacked the Pentagon for self-incriminating evidence Of Republican manufactured white powder pestilence Marines Corps. flack vest, with the guns and ammo Spittin' bars like a demon stuck inside a piano Turn a Sambo into a soldier with just one line Now here's the truth about the system that'll fuck up your mind They gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992 And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics But you act like America wouldn't destroy two buildings In a country that was sponsoring bombs dropped on our children I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives And they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did About the bombs planted on the George Washington bridge Four Non-Arabs arrested during the emergency And then it disappeared from the news permanently They dubbed a tape of Osama, and they said it was proof "Jealous of our freedom," I can't believe you bought that excuse Rocking a motherfucking flag don't make you a hero Word to Ground Zero The Devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th The New World Order was born on September 11 [Hook] [Verse 3] And just so Conservatives don't take it to heart I don't think Bush did it, 'cause he isn't that smart He's just a stupid puppet taking orders on his cell phone From the same people that sabotaged Senator Wellstone The military industry got it poppin' and lockin' Looking for a way to justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine And as a matter of fact, Rumsfeld, now that I think back Without 9/11, you couldn't have a war in Iraq Or a Defense budget of world conquest proportions Kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortions Tax cut extortion, a blessing to the wealthy and wicked But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted And Dick Cheney, you fucking leech, tell them your plans About building your pipelines through Afghanistan And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan You might have some house niggas fooled, but I understand Colonialism is sponsored by corporations That's why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations Tell me the truth, I don't scare into paralysis I know the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis In '98 when he was Top Ten for the FBI Government ties is really why the Government lies Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why 'Cause then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die.. If most of the people listen to this and are able to understand it then I underestimated the human race. edit: The song is called cause of death if you feel like listening to it, better than reading thru lyrics. | ||
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Fumi
529 Posts
On January 27 2011 01:23 BeefEU wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2011 01:18 Fumi wrote: If you're referring to norlock up there, you didn't get his point, and you're coming off as just another hater. He meant that MTV is "brainwashing" the teenage audience by feeding them only with what's commercially good and generally perceived as cool, and he isn't wrong. If metal was the cool thing right now and earned ridiculously unfair amounts of money every year, MTV would be feeding that instead. If gangsta rap is your thing, then good, but you gotta understand where he's coming from. Unfortunately though, 90% of everything is crap, this goes for both genres as well. And in debates as pointless as this, the opposing sides will only look at each other's crap. No I wasn't referring to Norlock, I was just posting in general. I don't care about mainstream or whatever stream, I never watch mtv or whatever, I just listen to what I like. And I totally agree about the brainwashing, it sickens me when I see some 11 year old girl acting like she's some gangster bitch that got laid just now. But wouldn't metal be just as bad if it was mainstream? Yeah, like I said, it would. It even happened before, there were some pretty ridiculous stuff when hair metal began to decline. | ||
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:52 .Aar wrote: I'd say the biggest thing for me regarding why I don't like metal is the image the word conjures for me: A slightly overweight American kid with no personality and an unfounded political belief structure of "anarchy mannnnnn." Someone who defines himself with the angsty music he listens to simply because he's not deep enough to find any other meaning in life. I'm not saying everyone who listens to metal is like this. I'm saying everyone I've met who listens to metal is. Also, why are you bashing on "computer generated noises"? Electronic music takes just as much artistic ability as any other kind, in some areas perhaps even more so. It's pure creativity and technical skill. What are you talking about? Guitar/drums/bass/piano/violin etc take years and years of hard work to perfect. To write a truly great song on a real instrument you need to understand music theory and rhythm and you need to physical ability and ear to play with other musicians and collaborate. You need patience to work together and share ideas while at the same time creative genius that you can communicate with other people. Electronic music is completely different. You need good programs, a fast computer and basic rhythm skills as well as some time but its not even CLOSE to the real skills you learn by playing a physical instrument. You just cannot tell me its equal because its not at ALL. One person with a bunch of scripts cant compare to true musicianship just because everything is already pre fab and you dont have to make your own sound with your bare hands.. A guitar IS a tool but a human has to make it sound good. Electronic music is NOT "PURE TECHNICAL SKILL" its fucking easy if you have a bit of time to just mess around and learn what all the buttons do. | ||
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XCetron
5225 Posts
On January 27 2011 01:49 Hypnosis wrote: What are you talking about? Guitar/drums/bass/piano/violin etc take years and years of hard work to perfect. To write a truly great song on a real instrument you need to understand music theory and rhythm and you need to physical ability and ear to play with other musicians and collaborate. You need patience to work together and share ideas while at the same time creative genius that you can communicate with other people. Electronic music is completely different. You need good programs, a fast computer and basic rhythm skills as well as some time but its not even CLOSE to the real skills you learn by playing a physical instrument. You just cannot tell me its equal because its not at ALL. One person with a bunch of scripts cant compare to true musicianship just because everything is already pre fab and you dont have to make your own sound with your bare hands.. A guitar IS a tool but a human has to make it sound good. Electronic music is NOT "PURE TECHNICAL SKILL" its fucking easy if you have a bit of time to just mess around and learn what all the buttons do. I play neither the guitar or have experience in electronic music but this seems hilariously biased. Can someone help verify his statement? This seems parallel to comparing button smashing in fighting games vs spam clicking in SC. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On January 27 2011 01:28 decaf wrote: I bet you don't know shit about hip hop. What you hear on the radio nowadays is pop and not hip hop. Almost noone listens to it, because it is way too deep for most of the people and you need at least some knowledge to know what they are even talking about. Best example: Immortal Technique Go on youtube and listen to one of his songs and tell me that many people listen to that kind of music. The averagy guy is too dumb to understand his lyrics. + Show Spoiler + [Verse 1] You better watch what the fuck flies outta ya mouth Or I'ma hijack a plane and fly it into your house Burn your apartment with your family tied to the couch And slit your throat, so when you scream, only blood comes out I doubt that there could ever be...a more wicked MC 'Cause AIDS infested child molesters aren't sicker than me I see the world for what it is, beyond the white and the black The way the government downplays historical facts 'Cause the United States sponsored the rise of the 3rd Reich Just like the CIA trained terrorists to the fight Build bombs and sneak box cutters onto a flight When I was a child, the Devil himself bought me a mic But I refused the offer, 'cause God sent me to strike With skills unused like fallopian tubes on a dyke My words'll expose George Bush and Bin Laden As two separate parts of the same seven headed dragon And you can't fathom the truth, so you don't hear me You think illuminati's just a fucking conspiracy theory? That's why Conservative racists are all runnin' shit And your phone is tapped by the Federal Government So I'm jammin' frequencies in ya brain when you speak to me Technique will rip a rapper to pieces indecently Pack weapons illegally, because I'm never hesitant Sniper scoping a commission controlling the president [Hook] Father, forgive them, for they don't know right from wrong The truth will set you free, written down in this song And the song has the Cause of Death written in code The Word of God brought to life, that'll save ya soul.. Save ya soul motherfucker...save ya soul.. Yeah, yeah, yeah [Verse 2] I hacked the Pentagon for self-incriminating evidence Of Republican manufactured white powder pestilence Marines Corps. flack vest, with the guns and ammo Spittin' bars like a demon stuck inside a piano Turn a Sambo into a soldier with just one line Now here's the truth about the system that'll fuck up your mind They gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992 And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics But you act like America wouldn't destroy two buildings In a country that was sponsoring bombs dropped on our children I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives And they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did About the bombs planted on the George Washington bridge Four Non-Arabs arrested during the emergency And then it disappeared from the news permanently They dubbed a tape of Osama, and they said it was proof "Jealous of our freedom," I can't believe you bought that excuse Rocking a motherfucking flag don't make you a hero Word to Ground Zero The Devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th The New World Order was born on September 11 [Hook] [Verse 3] And just so Conservatives don't take it to heart I don't think Bush did it, 'cause he isn't that smart He's just a stupid puppet taking orders on his cell phone From the same people that sabotaged Senator Wellstone The military industry got it poppin' and lockin' Looking for a way to justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine And as a matter of fact, Rumsfeld, now that I think back Without 9/11, you couldn't have a war in Iraq Or a Defense budget of world conquest proportions Kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortions Tax cut extortion, a blessing to the wealthy and wicked But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted And Dick Cheney, you fucking leech, tell them your plans About building your pipelines through Afghanistan And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan You might have some house niggas fooled, but I understand Colonialism is sponsored by corporations That's why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations Tell me the truth, I don't scare into paralysis I know the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis In '98 when he was Top Ten for the FBI Government ties is really why the Government lies Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why 'Cause then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die.. If most of the people listen to this and are able to understand it then I underestimated the human race. edit: The song is called cause of death if you feel like listening to it, better than reading thru lyrics. My first hiphop-elitist encounter! Hello, dear hiphop-elitist. Immortal Technique can rhyme, other than that he ruined a perfectly good CunninLynguists song, and he is not that fucking smart since he believes in every single dingbat conspiracy theory out there. Plus, he's hardly underground, and neither is AOTP, Ill Bill or JMT. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On January 27 2011 01:49 Hypnosis wrote: What are you talking about? Guitar/drums/bass/piano/violin etc take years and years of hard work to perfect. To write a truly great song on a real instrument you need to understand music theory and rhythm and you need to physical ability and ear to play with other musicians and collaborate. You need patience to work together and share ideas while at the same time creative genius that you can communicate with other people. Electronic music is completely different. You need good programs, a fast computer and basic rhythm skills as well as some time but its not even CLOSE to the real skills you learn by playing a physical instrument. You just cannot tell me its equal because its not at ALL. One person with a bunch of scripts cant compare to true musicianship just because everything is already pre fab and you dont have to make your own sound with your bare hands.. A guitar IS a tool but a human has to make it sound good. Electronic music is NOT "PURE TECHNICAL SKILL" its fucking easy if you have a bit of time to just mess around and learn what all the buttons do. Then we get to the part where a musician seriously needs to be able to write music. A computer with ReSound/FruityLoops will not turn you in to a DJ or an accomplished artist. Trust me, Aphex Twin, Venetian Snares or The Future Sound of London didn't just buy a synhthsizer/laptop/drum machine and decide that they would become accomplished musicians overnight, they experimented a lot, took many risks and used the new technology to go to places music hadn't been before. Complaining on EDM artists because they don't "use real instruments" is a bullshit argument, soley due to the fact that music no longer needs to be bound to known mediums or methods anymore. A world without these people's desire to experiment with new technology and sounds would be extremely fucking dull. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEPGLQAoNFc | ||
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Ympulse
United States287 Posts
On January 27 2011 03:08 XCetron wrote: I play neither the guitar or have experience in electronic music but this seems hilariously biased. Can someone help verify his statement? This seems parallel to comparing button smashing in fighting games vs spam clicking in SC. It all really depends on what level of quality you're talking about. Basic electronic music, 4/4 kick-snare with a two-note progression on a loop is as stupidly easy to create in FLstudio as it is to smack drums with sticks in a recognizable pattern. Great electronic music, on the other hand, is as difficult to create as it is for a composer to write a symphony for a full orchestra on the level of the classical greats. Sadly, great musicians and great electronic music are few and far in between, so we're stuck listening to (mostly) varying levels of regurgitated shit. In direct answer to your post, it's only as biased as the level of skill he's comparing them to. Average electronic music is 'easier' to create based simply on the fact that actually playing it boils down to pressing play. | ||
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CPTslut
Germany98 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On January 26 2011 21:05 The KY wrote: I reckon 90% of the people who claim to hate hip hop have heard only the factory made radio fodder of the genre. Real rappers know it's gotta be from the heart, cos if you wanna start to move up the chart, then expression is a big part of it. You ain't efficient when you flow, you ain't swift, movin' like a tortoise, full o' rigor mortis. To make good music all you got to do is 'XPRESS YOURSELF *dance dance dance* I have a friend just like you. Loves guys like Living Legends or KRS-1. Thinks these hardcore "underground" groups need a chance, detests mainstream stuff (just because). Has a aura of pretentiousness too just like any other person who listens to terrible, unpopular music. It doesn't have any appeal beyond angry rebellious boys. Get real! On January 26 2011 09:23 SupastaR wrote: i dont like it when people say hip hop is bad and stupid and tuneless and the rappers are stupid and stuff. Its like me saying to a metal fan hey metal is just mindless shouting and tuneless guitar mashing. to the metal fan its simply not true. so to the hip hop fan, good hip hop has deep lyrics, slick and very well made beats. Theres a place in the genre for les acclaimed, catchy artists to make mainstream records with catchy hooks and pretty bad hip hop, but there are people like that in all genres. my theory is just live and let live, i dont see why there has to be a huge thread debating which is better The discussion is pointless. I just like hating on metal/hip-hop. To be fair I have some of these songs in my playlist. But it is rare. It's all first impressions. Chances are people were exposed to something from either genre that is purported to be awesome, but then isn't. So people think hip-hop is mostly non-senseical jabbering with a looping old record in the background and metal is all just screamy/whiny with uncoordinated banging. Because there are a lot of songs in both genres that fit those descriptions. On January 26 2011 09:54 HeadhunteR wrote: music is music, anyone can listen to what they want. If you cry about it you are wasting your time. Everyone should listen to what they like and who cares if its good or bad you cant force people to like stuff YOU like who are you to decide that? Regular people like love songs that remind them of having a good time. There is a conception that when you go to dance you have a good time that is why rap is getting a lot of attention you can dance to it. Rap is made for mass consumption. The star or Idol ideal that this "Artist" is gonna change the game, he is going to make money, fuck hoes and Party all the time is a big part of what the USA and this capitalist society is about. Rap represents those capitalist ideals better than other genres that is why its so popular, it can have a huge and wider fan base than teenage punk pop and other kind of Radio friendly stuff which also you cant dance to. Thats why its so liked. Record labels love rap. Because they can recycle their old hits, have a rapper insert rap and resell it. Boom instant hit, in the top 40. Played in dance clubs all over the country. Most people do just like the danceable rap and does appeal to a sense of partying (not necessarily "capitalism"; I wouldn't take it that far). And they like it not because of the rap, but because it has a good beat to groove to. Like Black Eyed Peas. I HATE those guys. A lot of their songs never fail to annoy me. On January 25 2011 07:59 KvltMan wrote: The lyrical aspect is of course one of the biggest differences. As much as I love bands like Dismember, I don't mind if I can't hear what the vocalist sings, or what "theme" his lyrics are about since it's quite obvious what he sings about. I'm not saying he's a crappy vocalist/songwriter, but in death metal you very often just see the vocalist as another instrument, where as in hiphop, the rapper is both the singer, the poet and the frontman. The lyrics are simply the most important aspect of hiphop since they are the only tool a rapper can use to actually form a connection to the audience. and if you're a really bad lyricist (and don't have major companies supporting/promoting you), you probably won't get far as a rapper. Metal will always be the manliest type of music. Don't believe me? Check out this guy. ![[image loading]](http://lnx.rigablood.com/saladdaysmag/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/LV5M4167-490x746.jpg) In all seriousness, though, I might be able to agree with you somewhat on the entire "my music is more manly than yours"-thing when it comes to "gangsta rap", but the things you see on MTV are hardly that. Well, bands like Opeth and Isis are ready to prove you wrong on that last point. Whatever music you think is "manly" to me looks like pro wrestling in music form. It's all posturing. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On January 27 2011 04:29 Ownos wrote: . Whatever music you think is "manly" to me looks like pro wrestling in music form. It's all posturing. Tbh, I wasn't that serious witht he pic. :p | ||
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