On January 25 2011 06:06 DoubleReed wrote: It's not like there's any grace and delicacy in either genre.
this is why people argue. because they put down each others' passions without knowing a god damn thing about what they're talking about.
Hm? Would you say there is grace and delicacy in metal or rap or hip hop? Really?
It's not really putting it down, and I don't understand why you choose to see like that. I'm simply describing the music. I think metal is awesome. But it's not delicate. It's not graceful. Those are simply not words I would use to describe it. Those are words I would use to describe the Nutcracker or something. I'm simply trying to say that the two genres really aren't diametrically opposed or anything.
Good music for me is, as stupid and cliché-like as it may sound, art. Music drawing pictures and images in your head and showing you new worlds. This does in fact exist. Rarely, but it does. Though many have tried, few did accomplish. I'm basically a Death Metal fanatic and own like every DM record ever recorded (well, someday maybe). Nonetheless, despite being that DM fanatic I still feel that there is really music that could be considered art. Metal ALMOST fails to create this completely, but then again every other genre as well. Just try to dig deeper into what you are listening, where the music comes from and what it expresses. Even if the creator didn't have intention at all to express something, it might still be possible too explore so much in some music. Search for the passion. It's tough, but definitely worth it.
On January 25 2011 04:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't understand why there's assumed to be a musical love dichotomy between rap/hip-hop and metal.
There are countless other types of music, some of which aren't as stereotypically disliked as either of those two genres.
I think it's just the fact that the genres are the absolute opposites to each other that causes the "hating" between the fans.
Absolute opposites? How so?
Sure you talk about perhaps vocal quality, where one has lots of screaming and yelling, while the other is more rhythmic and talky. Perhaps one is heavily focused on musical virtuosity and the other is focused on ...er... "lyric virtuosity"??
But really, both metal and rap are incredibly manly men music where men beat the crap out of other men and act all manly. I guess they both attract insecure manly men people who need to make sure that the music THEY listen to is the manliest and most macho or something. Personally I think that's where the hate comes from. Manly men.
It's not like there's any grace and delicacy in either genre. They are not really opposite of each other IMO.
The lyrical aspect is of course one of the biggest differences. As much as I love bands like Dismember, I don't mind if I can't hear what the vocalist sings, or what "theme" his lyrics are about since it's quite obvious what he sings about. I'm not saying he's a crappy vocalist/songwriter, but in death metal you very often just see the vocalist as another instrument, where as in hiphop, the rapper is both the singer, the poet and the frontman. The lyrics are simply the most important aspect of hiphop since they are the only tool a rapper can use to actually form a connection to the audience. and if you're a really bad lyricist (and don't have major companies supporting/promoting you), you probably won't get far as a rapper.
Metal will always be the manliest type of music. Don't believe me? Check out this guy.
In all seriousness, though, I might be able to agree with you somewhat on the entire "my music is more manly than yours"-thing when it comes to "gangsta rap", but the things you see on MTV are hardly that.
Well, bands like Opeth and Isis are ready to prove you wrong on that last point.
I am a huge Death and X Japan fan and all I can say is that mainstream hiphop/rap will never achieve the level of songwriting these bands have. Good death metal in particular is complex and introspective, does not rely on "shock value", but instead brings forth cynical aphorisms that are relevant to our life. As for musicianship, well, rap isn't even music. Simple people like simple music. Don't get me wrong, I think playing death metal at a club is something ridiculous, and I would much rather grind a girl to akon, but in my leisure time it's gotta be metal hands down.
The word talent is thrown around a lot when it comes to discussions about music. There is plenty of good music in all genres and theres also plenty of bad music. However, it comes down to the individual to decide what he/she/it thinks is good or bad.
Regardless of what people consider mainstream or good music, cant you just leave their opinion to themselves and just appreciate the bands/artists/composers that you enjoy listening to?
Adding this for comical value and because I think it fits in the thread
For me personally I just haven't heard any hip hop I find inspiring or engaging in any way. Nothing that can drift my mind away from reality and nothing seems deeper than "check this cool beat or this rap flow out". That's why I don't listen to hip hop. Just my opinion, I know the majority thinks otherwise unfortunately.
(Post rock, experimental rock, prog rock, drone, dark ambient, ambient, folk metal, dsbm and shoegaze are the genres I feel that are most meaningful to me right now)
It doesnt matter what hiphop/rap artist someone puts on. I just dont like it very much. Mainstream or underground. Simple and straight up or deep and complicated. It just doesnt give me anything.
I only like rap when its crossing other genres such as KLF, RATM Limp bizkit and such.
On January 25 2011 22:51 Valikyr wrote: For me personally I just haven't heard any hip hop I find inspiring or engaging in any way. Nothing that can drift my mind away from reality and nothing seems deeper than "check this cool beat or this rap flow out". That's why I don't listen to hip hop. Just my opinion, I know the majority thinks otherwise unfortunately.
(Post rock, experimental rock, prog rock, drone, dark ambient, ambient, folk metal, dsbm and shoegaze are the genres I feel that are most meaningful to me right now)
I have no problem with either genre ( metal/rock vs hiphop/rap ). I just can't stand the lunatics and it seems metal has more of them sadly. In the same way, I can't stand the zealous fans of the old rock bands lik omgomg you noob iron maiden all the way everything else is shit.
On January 26 2011 00:22 valaki wrote: I have no problem with either genre ( metal/rock vs hiphop/rap ). I just can't stand the lunatics and it seems metal has more of them sadly. In the same way, I can't stand the zealous fans of the old rock bands lik omgomg you noob iron maiden all the way everything else is shit.
Rock is stuck in a 1960s time loop. That's why it's not as popular.
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music?
Generally when your at a party people do not like to listen to somebody vomiting into a microphone, and with a band name like Cannibal Corpse. Hip/hop is personable in the sense you can play in public and not get the weirdest lookes in the world, plus girls generally aren't into the whole like death metal, mathcore, stuff. Post-hardcore maybe... like some underoath but You can party to hip/hop is generally a good reason to start off with
Girls who aren't into death metal aren't worth knowing or associating with.
Lol Your post made my day haha, and Death Metal is still popular just walk through a high school hallway your bound to hear Some load death metal music while your passing by.
On January 25 2011 07:40 Elegance wrote: You guys have obviously never heard of
Djent
good
because it's killing metal
Given the fact that metal has survived disco, pop, glam rock, grunge, hiphop, nu-metal, metalcore and techno, and given the fact that it's latest "competitor" is something as lame as kids ripping off Meshuggah... I wouldn't be too worried.
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