On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music?
It's about empowerment. Since you don't listen to or enjoy Hip Hop, obviously this is something that you don't understand. It's the equivalent of getting adrenaline rushes when listening to Metal-- Hip Hop is all about the luxury you've worked hard for (clothes, cars, money, women, substances, etc.) and that you're better than everyone else for having them. People like Hip Hop because it makes them feel empowered.
I listen to Rock (lots of subgenres) primarily, though I really enjoy some Hip Hop artists. Open your mind a little bit and try to understand why people enjoy things that you might not enjoy, it can only help you in the long run. Posting on TL.net is a good start, but you are approaching it critically by saying "just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone." In that regard, metal is just the same chords with a faster tempo, with solos that are just sped up scales. They are far more talented than I am for being able to put it all together in a composition that people want to listen to.
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music?
It's about empowerment. Since you don't listen to or enjoy Hip Hop, obviously this is something that you don't understand. It's the equivalent of getting adrenaline rushes when listening to Metal-- Hip Hop is all about the luxury you've worked hard for (clothes, cars, money, women, substances, etc.) and that you're better than everyone else for having them. People like Hip Hop because it makes them feel empowered.
I listen to Rock (lots of subgenres) primarily, though I really enjoy some Hip Hop artists. Open your mind a little bit and try to understand why people enjoy things that you might not enjoy, it can only help you in the long run. Posting on TL.net is a good start, but you are approaching it critically by saying "just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone." In that regard, metal is just the same chords with a faster tempo, with solos that are just sped up scales. They are far more talented than I am for being able to put it all together in a composition that people want to listen to.
Correction, thats why people like mainstream RAP. Hip hop, the good stuff, prides itself on being a better person.
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music?
It's about empowerment. Since you don't listen to or enjoy Hip Hop, obviously this is something that you don't understand. It's the equivalent of getting adrenaline rushes when listening to Metal-- Hip Hop is all about the luxury you've worked hard for (clothes, cars, money, women, substances, etc.) and that you're better than everyone else for having them. People like Hip Hop because it makes them feel empowered.
I don't listen to trashy gangster rap. Which is what you completely described. To me hip-hop is about life in general, funny situations, hard times, not money bitches and clothes.
Please don't describe an entire genre by sayings its all about luxury, thats just disgusting.
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone.
Stopped reading right there... What a bunch of bullshit...
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone.
Stopped reading right there... What a bunch of bullshit...
Exactly.
How much skill it takes to make something =/= how enjoyable it is to listen to something
It's the people who think ALL hip-hop is rap, and that All hip-hop is about, money cars, bitches, hoes, more money. There are lots of hip-hop group who never talk about those things. Saying an entire of music genre i better than this one or that one, is so ignorant your make yourself look like an idiot.(hip-hop and rap are 2 different genres)
Making vast generalized statements is the reason why you dont understand.
I know some metal songs that are all about devil worship and talk about death and depressing shit, does that mean all metal is like that? If so I hate metal and think it's dumb and no one else should listen too it either imo...... See how stupid that sounds?
I just heard the perfect example of the declining standards of "Good" music, this song was number 14 on the NZ chart I just saw. I hope we can all agree it is crap .
This thread reminds me of all the genres (and subgenres and whatnot) I've been through and yet there's still so much left to explore. Hardest part is finding songs that very well represent their genre and fall in line with personal preferences when you are listening to something you usually don't.
Also some things might require a gateway songs or getting used to, the first time I heard some songs I couldn't stand them, yet after a while giving some of them another chance they didn't sound half as bad, as understanding the layout, style etc. made them feel more fitting for their genre.
A bit off-topic, but have you ever heard a song that you thought was pretty good or even great but felt like it could have been tweaked a bit to make it excellent?
I can imagine they love it now for the same reason they loved it before; anything your thinking can be said. express yourself. that's it. you got a problem with someone, love someone, hate someone, want to change the world, want to show off the bling; whatevever.
On December 14 2010 11:21 Lorken wrote: I just heard the perfect example of the declining standards of "Good" music, this song was number 14 on the NZ chart I just saw. I hope we can all agree it is crap .
Seriously? You cite a Cee Lo Green song that is censored, for whatever reason, as a decline in the quality of good music? Do you know who Cee Lo Green is? Listen to the actual release, not the sped up censored version.
That's how the song is supposed to be. Slower, raw, real. That was the worst possible example you could have pulled. Cee Lo is real soul. That's where it is. He's a sign of good times. Listen to the man's story and his previous works. For those who don't know, this is also one of the men (with Danger Mouse) behind Gnarls Barkley.
Edit: Hell, go back to the Goodie Mob days. This man has felt pain and he's singing it. That is what music is supposed to be. It isn't some physical stunt. It isn't generated. He is putting himself out there. This man is an inspiration.
On December 14 2010 11:21 Lorken wrote: I just heard the perfect example of the declining standards of "Good" music, this song was number 14 on the NZ chart I just saw. I hope we can all agree it is crap .
Seriously? You cite a Cee Lo Green song that is censored, for whatever reason, as a decline in the quality of good music? Do you know who Cee Lo Green is? Listen to the actual release, not the sped up censored version.
That's how the song is supposed to be. Slower, raw, real. That was the worst possible example you could have pulled. Cee Lo is real soul. That's where it is. He's a sign of good times. Listen to the man's story and his previous works. For those who don't know, this is also one of the men (with Danger Mouse) behind Gnarls Barkley.
Edit: Hell, go back to the Goodie Mob days. This man has felt pain and he's singing it. That is what music is supposed to be. It isn't some physical stunt. It isn't generated. He is putting himself out there. This man is an inspiration.
Seconded - Cee Lo is an incredible talent, and I can't imagine that Lorken's criticism is based on any serious analysis of his work.
On December 14 2010 11:21 Lorken wrote: I just heard the perfect example of the declining standards of "Good" music, this song was number 14 on the NZ chart I just saw. I hope we can all agree it is crap .
Seriously? You cite a Cee Lo Green song that is censored, for whatever reason, as a decline in the quality of good music? Do you know who Cee Lo Green is? Listen to the actual release, not the sped up censored version.
That's how the song is supposed to be. Slower, raw, real. That was the worst possible example you could have pulled. Cee Lo is real soul. That's where it is. He's a sign of good times. Listen to the man's story and his previous works. For those who don't know, this is also one of the men (with Danger Mouse) behind Gnarls Barkley.
Edit: Hell, go back to the Goodie Mob days. This man has felt pain and he's singing it. That is what music is supposed to be. It isn't some physical stunt. It isn't generated. He is putting himself out there. This man is an inspiration.
Seconded - Cee Lo is an incredible talent, and I can't imagine that Lorken's criticism is based on any serious analysis of his work.
I absolutely love how it always is that metalhaters\raphaters are constantly bashed, yet the most obvious stereotype around here is the "Everythings equal, 100% taste you can't compare anything if you do you're wrong if you say that metal makes more skill then you are wrong because skill doesn't matter in how much you like music, if you don't like all the music you're closed-minded communism FTW BLAHBLAHBLAH. Not having an actual opinion, yet defending it absolutely is probably one of the most amazing things you'll ever see IMO.
Not every discussion is useless if you're unable to see the value in it. Some students spend many hours learning and discussing technical differences of music, why wouldn't we be allowed to have a discussion too? Not that you could do it without a decent "crap-filter" here heh.
On January 19 2011 06:40 son1dow wrote: Not every discussion is useless if you're unable to see the value in it. Some students spend many hours learning and discussing technical differences of music, why wouldn't we be allowed to have a discussion too? Not that you could do it without a decent "crap-filter" here heh.
Great post and I feel the same way. I kind of hoped that this would be a better topic, but I guess I knew better.
Regarding the OP, I'm a metal musician... Do I think it takes more skill to play metal? No... I don't. We all have our tastes in music.. and how much "skill" goes into it should matter not.
Now what I don't understand is why discussing this topic generates so many harsh opinions and ridiculous arguments. Why is it so hard to not like more then one form of music for so many people?
i thought people didn't listen to rap anymore unless they were in high school? I personally play classical music, jazz, or other instrumental stuff at my parties
or some downtempo electronic like Bluetech, everyone loves Bluetech :-)
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