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justle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States174 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-13 20:44:53
December 13 2010 20:41 GMT
#501
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote:
Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music?


It's about empowerment. Since you don't listen to or enjoy Hip Hop, obviously this is something that you don't understand. It's the equivalent of getting adrenaline rushes when listening to Metal-- Hip Hop is all about the luxury you've worked hard for (clothes, cars, money, women, substances, etc.) and that you're better than everyone else for having them. People like Hip Hop because it makes them feel empowered.

I listen to Rock (lots of subgenres) primarily, though I really enjoy some Hip Hop artists. Open your mind a little bit and try to understand why people enjoy things that you might not enjoy, it can only help you in the long run. Posting on TL.net is a good start, but you are approaching it critically by saying "just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone." In that regard, metal is just the same chords with a faster tempo, with solos that are just sped up scales. They are far more talented than I am for being able to put it all together in a composition that people want to listen to.
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bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
December 13 2010 20:46 GMT
#502
Well I agree with Bret
https://soundcloud.com/bbols
LaLLsc2
Profile Joined September 2010
United States502 Posts
December 13 2010 20:47 GMT
#503
On December 14 2010 05:41 justle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote:
Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music?


It's about empowerment. Since you don't listen to or enjoy Hip Hop, obviously this is something that you don't understand. It's the equivalent of getting adrenaline rushes when listening to Metal-- Hip Hop is all about the luxury you've worked hard for (clothes, cars, money, women, substances, etc.) and that you're better than everyone else for having them. People like Hip Hop because it makes them feel empowered.

I listen to Rock (lots of subgenres) primarily, though I really enjoy some Hip Hop artists. Open your mind a little bit and try to understand why people enjoy things that you might not enjoy, it can only help you in the long run. Posting on TL.net is a good start, but you are approaching it critically by saying "just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone." In that regard, metal is just the same chords with a faster tempo, with solos that are just sped up scales. They are far more talented than I am for being able to put it all together in a composition that people want to listen to.


Correction, thats why people like mainstream RAP. Hip hop, the good stuff, prides itself on being a better person.

Live and Let Live
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
December 13 2010 20:52 GMT
#504
On December 14 2010 05:41 justle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote:
Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music?


It's about empowerment. Since you don't listen to or enjoy Hip Hop, obviously this is something that you don't understand. It's the equivalent of getting adrenaline rushes when listening to Metal-- Hip Hop is all about the luxury you've worked hard for (clothes, cars, money, women, substances, etc.) and that you're better than everyone else for having them. People like Hip Hop because it makes them feel empowered.


I don't listen to trashy gangster rap. Which is what you completely described. To me hip-hop is about life in general, funny situations, hard times, not money bitches and clothes.

Please don't describe an entire genre by sayings its all about luxury, thats just disgusting.
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mcbrite
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany229 Posts
December 13 2010 20:59 GMT
#505
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote:
I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone.


Stopped reading right there... What a bunch of bullshit...
BROotogy
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Eritrea149 Posts
December 13 2010 21:15 GMT
#506
On December 14 2010 05:59 mcbrite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote:
I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone.


Stopped reading right there... What a bunch of bullshit...

Exactly.

How much skill it takes to make something =/= how enjoyable it is to listen to something
TheGiftedApe
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1243 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-13 21:18:33
December 13 2010 21:18 GMT
#507
It's the people who think ALL hip-hop is rap, and that All hip-hop is about, money cars, bitches, hoes, more money. There are lots of hip-hop group who never talk about those things. Saying an entire of music genre i better than this one or that one, is so ignorant your make yourself look like an idiot.(hip-hop and rap are 2 different genres)

Making vast generalized statements is the reason why you dont understand.

I know some metal songs that are all about devil worship and talk about death and depressing shit, does that mean all metal is like that? If so I hate metal and think it's dumb and no one else should listen too it either imo...... See how stupid that sounds?
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ToxNub
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada805 Posts
December 13 2010 21:34 GMT
#508
popular music is almost bad by definition

that includes popular metal. Generally the more you get into any music, the more you find you enjoy bands/djs nobody has ever heard of.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
December 13 2010 21:37 GMT
#509
I didn't read any of this thread, but I'm guessing every post can be summarized as

"I don't like popular music; here's an obscure/out of style/old type of music that I do like."
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
December 13 2010 21:42 GMT
#510
On December 14 2010 06:37 cz wrote:
I didn't read any of this thread, but I'm guessing every post can be summarized as

"I don't like popular music; here's an obscure/out of style/old type of music that I do like."


Alot of it is, which I don't understand. Where did the sense of, "its well known therefore it sucks" come from.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 14 2010 01:21 GMT
#511
mainstream doesn't give you enough indie credits$$$$$$$
Lorken
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand804 Posts
December 14 2010 02:21 GMT
#512
I just heard the perfect example of the declining standards of "Good" music, this song was number 14 on the NZ chart I just saw. I hope we can all agree it is crap .

LOUD NOISES!!!
NeonFlare
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Finland1307 Posts
December 14 2010 02:55 GMT
#513
This thread reminds me of all the genres (and subgenres and whatnot) I've been through and yet there's still so much left to explore. Hardest part is finding songs that very well represent their genre and fall in line with personal preferences when you are listening to something you usually don't.

Also some things might require a gateway songs or getting used to, the first time I heard some songs I couldn't stand them, yet after a while giving some of them another chance they didn't sound half as bad, as understanding the layout, style etc. made them feel more fitting for their genre.

A bit off-topic, but have you ever heard a song that you thought was pretty good or even great but felt like it could have been tweaked a bit to make it excellent?

adamb111
Profile Joined October 2010
27 Posts
December 14 2010 03:40 GMT
#514
url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP-WTLO_hZ8



http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=eminem till i collapse&aq=f

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I can imagine they love it now for the same reason they loved it before; anything your thinking can be said. express yourself. that's it. you got a problem with someone, love someone, hate someone, want to change the world, want to show off the bling; whatevever.
TheGrimace
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States929 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 04:42:25
December 14 2010 04:20 GMT
#515
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On December 14 2010 11:21 Lorken wrote:
I just heard the perfect example of the declining standards of "Good" music, this song was number 14 on the NZ chart I just saw. I hope we can all agree it is crap .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSSec0wbBs4

Seriously? You cite a Cee Lo Green song that is censored, for whatever reason, as a decline in the quality of good music? Do you know who Cee Lo Green is? Listen to the actual release, not the sped up censored version.



That's how the song is supposed to be. Slower, raw, real. That was the worst possible example you could have pulled. Cee Lo is real soul. That's where it is. He's a sign of good times. Listen to the man's story and his previous works. For those who don't know, this is also one of the men (with Danger Mouse) behind Gnarls Barkley.

Edit: Hell, go back to the Goodie Mob days. This man has felt pain and he's singing it. That is what music is supposed to be. It isn't some physical stunt. It isn't generated. He is putting himself out there. This man is an inspiration.
PanzerKing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States483 Posts
December 14 2010 04:34 GMT
#516
On December 14 2010 13:20 TheGrimace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 11:21 Lorken wrote:
I just heard the perfect example of the declining standards of "Good" music, this song was number 14 on the NZ chart I just saw. I hope we can all agree it is crap .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSSec0wbBs4

Seriously? You cite a Cee Lo Green song that is censored, for whatever reason, as a decline in the quality of good music? Do you know who Cee Lo Green is? Listen to the actual release, not the sped up censored version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU

That's how the song is supposed to be. Slower, raw, real. That was the worst possible example you could have pulled. Cee Lo is real soul. That's where it is. He's a sign of good times. Listen to the man's story and his previous works. For those who don't know, this is also one of the men (with Danger Mouse) behind Gnarls Barkley.

Edit: Hell, go back to the Goodie Mob days. This man has felt pain and he's singing it. That is what music is supposed to be. It isn't some physical stunt. It isn't generated. He is putting himself out there. This man is an inspiration.


Seconded - Cee Lo is an incredible talent, and I can't imagine that Lorken's criticism is based on any serious analysis of his work.
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PanzerKing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States483 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 04:35:14
December 14 2010 04:34 GMT
#517
On December 14 2010 13:20 TheGrimace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 11:21 Lorken wrote:
I just heard the perfect example of the declining standards of "Good" music, this song was number 14 on the NZ chart I just saw. I hope we can all agree it is crap .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSSec0wbBs4

Seriously? You cite a Cee Lo Green song that is censored, for whatever reason, as a decline in the quality of good music? Do you know who Cee Lo Green is? Listen to the actual release, not the sped up censored version.

That's how the song is supposed to be. Slower, raw, real. That was the worst possible example you could have pulled. Cee Lo is real soul. That's where it is. He's a sign of good times. Listen to the man's story and his previous works. For those who don't know, this is also one of the men (with Danger Mouse) behind Gnarls Barkley.

Edit: Hell, go back to the Goodie Mob days. This man has felt pain and he's singing it. That is what music is supposed to be. It isn't some physical stunt. It isn't generated. He is putting himself out there. This man is an inspiration.


Seconded - Cee Lo is an incredible talent, and I can't imagine that Lorken's criticism is based on any serious analysis of his work.
http://tkrmx.blogspot.com/
son1dow
Profile Joined May 2009
Lithuania322 Posts
January 18 2011 21:40 GMT
#518
I absolutely love how it always is that metalhaters\raphaters are constantly bashed, yet the most obvious stereotype around here is the "Everythings equal, 100% taste you can't compare anything if you do you're wrong if you say that metal makes more skill then you are wrong because skill doesn't matter in how much you like music, if you don't like all the music you're closed-minded communism FTW BLAHBLAHBLAH. Not having an actual opinion, yet defending it absolutely is probably one of the most amazing things you'll ever see IMO.

Not every discussion is useless if you're unable to see the value in it. Some students spend many hours learning and discussing technical differences of music, why wouldn't we be allowed to have a discussion too? Not that you could do it without a decent "crap-filter" here heh.
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Twitches
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada365 Posts
January 18 2011 22:03 GMT
#519
On January 19 2011 06:40 son1dow wrote:
Not every discussion is useless if you're unable to see the value in it. Some students spend many hours learning and discussing technical differences of music, why wouldn't we be allowed to have a discussion too? Not that you could do it without a decent "crap-filter" here heh.


Great post and I feel the same way. I kind of hoped that this would be a better topic, but I guess I knew better.

Regarding the OP, I'm a metal musician... Do I think it takes more skill to play metal? No... I don't. We all have our tastes in music.. and how much "skill" goes into it should matter not.

Now what I don't understand is why discussing this topic generates so many harsh opinions and ridiculous arguments. Why is it so hard to not like more then one form of music for so many people?
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slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
January 18 2011 22:06 GMT
#520
i thought people didn't listen to rap anymore unless they were in high school? I personally play classical music, jazz, or other instrumental stuff at my parties

or some downtempo electronic like Bluetech, everyone loves Bluetech :-)
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