EPTWhy does everyone love hip hop/rap now? - Page 24
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LaLLsc2
United States502 Posts
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Gentlebite
United States132 Posts
I listen to everything from rap/hiphop to RnB, to Metal, hell even classical, to plain instrumentals of things, maybe some country here and there, international music from Europe and Asia... It depends on the quality of the song and artist than the genre itself IMO I dislike how people stick to one genre then have a elitist view on other kinds of music, every genre deserves respect on their own contributions to the music world | ||
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Contagious
United States1319 Posts
cause music like this is too dope. I like all walks of hip hop, but lately since this cd came out I have been listening to it a lot. Kid Cudi's new CD isn't as good as his last one, but it's still very good, especially when he teams up with people like Cage. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11539 Posts
On December 12 2010 17:28 LaLLsc2 wrote: Hate is bad word. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWYITLe8gwo i love this song so much <3 | ||
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Monasou
United States218 Posts
Often times in music history there are rappers that don't even write their own music. There is a job market for lyricists. You can look on the back of any album and actually see who wrote the songs, or perhaps those people wouldn't want to be mentioned because the rappers credit would go down. Just saying, that these jobs exist means that it takes 1/2 the skill out of being a rapper. With that being said, voice synthesizers give these people mansions. There is no skill in making your voice auto-tuned. There just isn't. On the other hand. Playing an instrument that takes years to master on a tempo of 1/64 is a mastery. Rap does not compete. Lets just say these rappers DO in fact write their own music and lyrics. Okay. In metal and any other genre has to actually PLAY the notes to make their song. Rappers can just be like. Yo. Dawg. I want the drums to be like this. And I want the guitar to do this. Bands actually have to play that shit. TL;DR Rap doesn't require any collaboration, nor the proficiency of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. Most rap stars don't speak full sentences anyway. Metal is better, because there is a mastery of a skill. An art. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On December 13 2010 02:45 Monasou wrote: + Show Spoiler + Here is how I look at it. Often times in music history there are rappers that don't even write their own music. There is a job market for lyricists. You can look on the back of any album and actually see who wrote the songs, or perhaps those people wouldn't want to be mentioned because the rappers credit would go down. Just saying, that these jobs exist means that it takes 1/2 the skill out of being a rapper. With that being said, voice synthesizers give these people mansions. There is no skill in making your voice auto-tuned. There just isn't. On the other hand. Playing an instrument that takes years to master on a tempo of 1/64 is a mastery. Rap does not compete. Lets just say these rappers DO in fact write their own music and lyrics. Okay. In metal and any other genre has to actually PLAY the notes to make their song. Rappers can just be like. Yo. Dawg. I want the drums to be like this. And I want the guitar to do this. Bands actually have to play that shit. TL;DR Rap doesn't require any collaboration, nor the proficiency of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. Most rap stars don't speak full sentences anyway. Metal is better, because there is a mastery of a skill. An art. Yeah some really good points here. Operatic singers, for example, are basically no better than menial laborers (or rappers, yuck) because they don't require proficiency of the english language. They could just come in singing an english opera and shit son, they DIDN'T EVEN WRITE THE LYRICS THEMSELVES. They could just be singing in english with the phonetic pronunciations all written out for them... What the shit man. Even people working at Subway need to be able to ask you if you want your sub toasted. | ||
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ThE_ShiZ
United States143 Posts
From a drumming perspective, technicality has a lot to do with not ""what" you play, but "how" you play it. I was watching a Born of Osiris video and some kid was telling me their drummer was more technical and creative than the drummers I mentioned. I mean, all this kid was doing was thrash beats, blast beats and double bass. He couldn't hold a stick to Jojo Mayer, Aaron Spears, or Dennis Chambers, who are all faster and have better technique/creative dynamics. They can keep very technical pockets, and if you ask the BOI drummer to play a Mars Volta track he wouldn't even have proper hi-hat technique. The point of drumming technique is to draw out the full sound from a drum kit. Sure, Gadd's sticking is simple, but you'll never get the songs to sound like he does. His finesse is unmatched. | ||
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Robellicose
England245 Posts
I would suggest that the main reason hiphop and current pop music having the popularity they have is because they are widely acceptable songs. Popular music is pretty much governed by radio stations (especially in the UK) and one of the key tenets for a song to be broadcast on a radio station that wants to attract listeners is that it doesn't put people off. Metal, mathcore etc. are all polarising genres of music and as such are less favoured on radio and thus tend to be heard less. This would obviously have knock on effects as fewer people are exposed to (and therefore start to enjoy) these genres of music. As a kid my parents tended to have radio 4 or radio 2 on a lot, so I was always listening to older pop songs and so on, but when a kid in school played me a song off the AC/DC album Back in Black my musical tastes were changed forever. | ||
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GP
United States1056 Posts
On December 13 2010 02:45 Monasou wrote: Here is how I look at it. Often times in music history there are rappers that don't even write their own music. There is a job market for lyricists. You can look on the back of any album and actually see who wrote the songs, or perhaps those people wouldn't want to be mentioned because the rappers credit would go down. Just saying, that these jobs exist means that it takes 1/2 the skill out of being a rapper. With that being said, voice synthesizers give these people mansions. There is no skill in making your voice auto-tuned. There just isn't. On the other hand. Playing an instrument that takes years to master on a tempo of 1/64 is a mastery. Rap does not compete. Lets just say these rappers DO in fact write their own music and lyrics. Okay. In metal and any other genre has to actually PLAY the notes to make their song. Rappers can just be like. Yo. Dawg. I want the drums to be like this. And I want the guitar to do this. Bands actually have to play that shit. TL;DR Rap doesn't require any collaboration, nor the proficiency of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. Most rap stars don't speak full sentences anyway. Metal is better, because there is a mastery of a skill. An art. I'm sorry, you've just proven that you don't know anything about hip-hop. With broad sweeping generalizations like "Rap doesn't require any collaboration, nor the proficiency of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. Most rap stars don't speak full sentences anyway. " which are completely untrue if you know anything about hip-hop, and just secure your ignorance. To not accept it as art is your opinion, but I think it's a pretty close-minded opinion. I think you should do yourself a favor and actually investigate how producers actually make their music, rather than make idiotic generalizations based off of what you see on MTV. I assure you that producing a hip-hop song is nothing like "yo dawg I want the drums to sound like dis" To say there's no skill mastery in hip-hop is not only wrong but completely naive. Go listen to the Roots and tell me there's no instrumental mastery. Did you know Dr. Dre incorporated live instrumentation into his productions? Have you ever tried using a turntable and mixer? It's incredibly complex and difficult to master.Have you ever been in a recording studio? It's much more complex than playing a couple of power chords on a guitar I assure you that most rap artists write their own lyrics, the only rapper that has a ghost writer that I'm aware of is The Game, and he's pretty shitty anyway. If you're getting most of your "facts" from the mainstream maybe you should take a step back and look at the grand scheme, not the tiny sliver of the art form that is commercial based. 50 Cent and T-Pain are hip-hop's Disturbed and Nickelback. They're terrible mainstream acts that don't make art, but only make music for furthering their wealth and the wealth of a bunch of fat white guys in suits wiping their asses with hundred dollar bills in executive bathrooms. | ||
Danzepol
United States211 Posts
there are no emotions that one might construe poorly, you either enjoy what the rapper has to say, or you don't. people like that simplicity. | ||
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Dr.Lettuce
United Kingdom663 Posts
Put it this way, I'd rather listen to this than any metal song posted in this thread. I used to be a huge metal fan, but honestly I got so bored of it. It's not for me. Why the hell are you insulting each others preferences? That's like insulting someone for playing starcraft while you play counter-strike... Music is so open, and it has so many values in different genres that everyone can find something they enjoy or can identify with. Just find what you enjoy and listen to it... it's really not hard. | ||
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music? The problem I see in metal is that they don't really put much effort in the lyrical part of the song. The talent/skill is there but there isn't much rhythm to it. They are a bands that do both but most of the genre just feels like a symphony that is disorganized. As for rap most of it is just utter trash, it was amazing when they wrote about political/social issues but I don't care for their money/bitches/or their grillz There is still great music out there I just feel the majority of the good music thrives in other genre's where money is harder to make. | ||
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Blyadischa
419 Posts
Hip-hop and rap don't really have any aesthetic or visceral appeal to me. There is usually one beat created by artificial devices, and no harmony. The lyrical content is usually simple and about brutish/buffoonish things (pussy weed money, i shoot niggas, bitches suck my dick, i make money, or if you're eminem, i'm a pussy, i was mean to my mom and wife, my life is full of sorrow, etc.). | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
Rap and hip-hop have no meaning to me, since almost all of it is vaguely about love. I think there was a chart about the average scores of some students versus the genres and artists they listed on their facebook pages. Not saying that means anything. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On December 13 2010 02:45 Monasou wrote: TL;DR Rap doesn't require any collaboration, nor the proficiency of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. rofl | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
Real talk. | ||
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FortuneSyn
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Mjolnir
912 Posts
I think the problem in this thread is that the people who are complaining about rap and hip-hop are complaining about popular, top-40, stuff-you-hear-on-the-radio, rap and hip-hop. That stuff is crap. Just like top-40 alternative, rock, etc. that you hear on the radio is likely crap as well. Why is that particular brand so popular? Same fucking reason Perez Hilton, Paris Hilton, the Kardashians, Jersey Shore and whatever else pop-culture vomits up is popular. It's easy. It's trite. It takes little effort to dissect (if there's even anything to dissect) and it speaks to the most basic, trivial, values of the lowest-common denominator. Is all rap and hip hop like that? No. Do other genres of music fall into the same trap? Yes. So why is rap and hip-hop taking the flak? Personally, I think it's because: a) it's great in a dance club - which is where that sound, message, and vapidity is most at home. b) it's usually really catchy and easy to follow. c) it's wallpaper. It doesn't engage you because there's little to no depth in what you get on the radio. Again, I'll say this goes for any "shit" music. Any artist, any genre. Unfortunately "bad" rap and hip-hop is becoming more and more prevalent because it's been tagged to a "movement" or "youth culture" and marketed like crazy... and when something is marketed balls-out it almost always loses what made it great. So, like the 90s pissed away grunge and industrial; and the 80s shit all over metal; and the 70s stomped out prog-rock; etc. etc. So too are the '10s destroying rap and hip-hop. Which is why some hate it while others cling to the small groups or artists who haven't lost sight of what it's all about, and therefore still think rap and hip-hop is the bomb. | ||
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Stimpk
France165 Posts
Everybody knows there are both shit and genius in every music genre. Just listen what you like. Besides, I'm not sure everybody likes hip hop/rap now. May depend on the country, but most of people I encountered are into pop / poprock / metal. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
What's annoying are some of the people listening to (mainstream) hiphop and their attitude, especially the younger ones. The 15-20 y/o wannabe thugs on the bus, train or elsewhere with their stereo mobile phones playing ridiculously bad hiphop so loud everyone can hear it - those make me go "gaaah, hiphop SUCKS" even though I know it's not alright to judge the whole genre based on that. You don't see that behaviour from young metalheads or techno/trance listeners, who may be annoying in their own way, but aren't nearly as present and numerous as the former ones. | ||
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