well sorry for not clarifying but I meant actual, metal music, I mean riffs, screaming ec... It just doesn't fit into the genre (In case I'm wrong here, please point that out, I really haven't seen it done, at least not right ). The rap mixed into metal is about as real all of the other rap, you can't really mix in "funny" hip hop into metal either ofc other than perhaps into some funky rock but the variation is still there on the rock\metal side if you decide to go 50/50, which is why Nu metal, in the end, is metal.
Oh and believe me, I'm not ignoring any genre just because of ignorance. I'm ignoring them just because metal feels like a drug to me and nothing else can get even close. I assume some people get that from classical music \ anything else complex, but for what it's worth I haven't been able to for the little time that I have tried that.
not a fan of hip/hop rap, i think its garbage. but that's just my opinion, and i know a lot of people who don't like it either. to say everyone loves it just isn't true.
I am 16 and have always loved metal and hated rap/hiphop. Me and my friends hate the new mainstream music.
I would much rather listen to Dimmu Borgir, Lamb of God, Satyricon, Slipknot, Korn, Trivium, etc than Nickelback? Eminem? 50cent? I don't see how bands/rappers like those are popular or even considered talented, but thats just my opinion.
On December 10 2010 15:47 Ludrik wrote: I'm not a big fan of American metal. European metal is much better. Rap can be good too. It depends on the artist. Most "popular" rap is complete s*** though.
That's me stating an opinion without actually stating an opinion.
yea, most American metal bands are fucking terrible. i'm a metal fan at heart and first, but i enjoy a tiny bit of rap. please don't mistake club music with rap, as with metal there is about as much variety in degrees of terribleness as there is sub genres in metal.
On December 11 2010 06:21 Skee wrote: I am 16 and have always loved metal and hated rap/hiphop. Me and my friends hate the new mainstream music.
I would much rather listen to Dimmu Borgir, Lamb of God, Satyricon, Slipknot, Korn, Trivium, etc than Nickelback? Eminem? 50cent? I don't see how bands/rappers like those are popular or even considered talented, but thats just my opinion.
and pretty much all of those bands except dimmu are on equal par with nickelback and 50cent. i hope you don't wear affliction shirts.
On December 11 2010 06:21 Skee wrote: I am 16 and have always loved metal and hated rap/hiphop. Me and my friends hate the new mainstream music.
I would much rather listen to Dimmu Borgir, Lamb of God, Satyricon, Slipknot, Korn, Trivium, etc than Nickelback? Eminem? 50cent? I don't see how bands/rappers like those are popular or even considered talented, but thats just my opinion.
If you can't see talent in Eminem, then you're woefully blind to it. You can dislike music and artists while still acknowledging the skill and effort that goes into what they do.
On December 11 2010 06:21 Skee wrote: I am 16 and have always loved metal and hated rap/hiphop. Me and my friends hate the new mainstream music.
I would much rather listen to Dimmu Borgir, Lamb of God, Satyricon, Slipknot, Korn, Trivium, etc than Nickelback? Eminem? 50cent? I don't see how bands/rappers like those are popular or even considered talented, but thats just my opinion.
A lot of people, such as myself, would consider every artist you listed to be at the same level of 'talent'.
When I was younger I thought that the only good bands were the ones that could play their instruments extremely well. I thought metal bands were the best cause they could play so fast. Then I became more intelligent and realized that the good bands/artists are the ones with music that you want to listen to, good messages, etc. Although I enjoy most genres of music, I've been listening to hip-hop mostly during the past years.
i like metal but i'm not a big fan. i dont really understand the diff genres. Songs are pretty good until someone starts screaming then it just starts hurting my ears.
Rap is my favorite genre of music to just listen to and having listened to a lot of diff groups and ppl ranging from the 80s to the present (thx youtube ), a lot of mainstream rap has the same AABB rhymes that really old rap used to have. Beats were simple. Simple samples and simple rhymes transformed into punchlines with no message and beats full of the same synths and fake 808 drums. The best hip hop that i could chill to aren't as popular as they would have been in the 90s. I except hip hop to make a comeback in maybe 3+ years. Probably by the time the likes of Soulja Boy, Waka Flocka Flame, Roscoe Dash, OJ da Juiceman, and all those other garbage rappers' contracts end. A lot of the rap you hear these days isnt hip hop but more like rap pop. For every 10 rappers, one can flow and the other nine just spit punchlines. No message.
Also, after recently buying Kanye's newest album, i don't know why rappers even release their tracks if the production is garbage. Even if you aren't a hip hop enthusiast, i suggest listening to Kanye's album. It has some of the best production i've ever heard in any album, period.
I don't get why we can't have a blend of both. I love both Genres alot, im more into the thinking mans rap such as (NWS)+ Show Spoiler +
but I can also appreciate a master piece of metal such as (Also NWS bosses hate metal vocals =P)+ Show Spoiler +
I guess the thing is rap is sort of more accessible to the masses. Much in the sense that Shakespeare is an amazing playwright most people can't relate on a personal level to his stories. For example most of us have never owned a kingdom and have a threatening country coming in to do a coup. Were as rap is more like T.V although T.V can be ridiculous it sometimes has at least semi realistic story's that a person can relate to on a more personable level. Most people have never led a viking army (metal) but alot of people have experienced a crooked cop or felt like they were trapped in the system. Well at least thats my take on it.
age 10 to 14 mainstream rock/rap/hiphop/electronica/dubstep etc.(a lot of electronic music inc. breakbeat/techno)
age 14 to 16 everything before with inclusionese of salsa/indie/alternative rock/metal/screamo/japanese/orchestra
age 16 to current (22) all metal
I enjoyed everything and will still listen to everything with a more open mind than some. while I listen to mathy metal every day Im still forced to listen to rp from my coworkers and I always hear the newer rap/hiphop artists. I will say that I love metal so much because of its technicallity, in an infinite scenario you will probably hear the same thing twice maybe 2/100 songs if you had a random playlist of all metal. for rap however; beats are often recycled and tones are overused, bass and vocals seem to be the only things that are somewhat consistantly fresh in the genre. for me personally I also love the aspect of character when listening to metal, its a lot more prevalent in metal than in rap/hiphop to be in audience of an evolving story or character(s) throughout an album. there are some exceptions but rapping aboot turning girls on or having money seems to be a substancially unsatisfying concept to hear day to day, if you wanna be serious aboot music, please gtfo of the mainstream and listen to underground artists from everywhere around the world, there and only there will you find genuine originallity in rap/hiphop.
thats where metal comes in.
metal is generally an underground focus and tends to present more than hiphop/rap in a lot of scenarios
lyrical content musical technicallity portrayal of emotion through instruments and vocals (often switching multiple times in one song) originallity and the list goes on!
I guess what im trying to say is both can be equally as good, but its all based on preference and lifestyle.
I am also saying: if you only listen to rap/hiphop that is fed to you from the media than you should not participate in this thread (please) its unfair to the people in the underground loop for all genres.
back to the thread though I love blasting metal and getting those messed up looks from people, I practically dance in the streets to it! once you open someones mind to every aspect of metal, its hard to even want to go back and listen to rap
Talking about skill required to make music in relation to how enjoyable it is is just completely absurd. For one thing, you presumably don't make rap; you have no idea as how to much effort goes into it. Secondly, there's no direct correlation between skill required and enjoyment of the listener. Maybe classical is the hardest to compose. Does that mean that it's just the best music? Obviously not.
Incidentally, I have no idea what's with people trying to make things sound worse by going into detail when describing them. It's like someone dislikes soccer, so they'll be all "Soccer's retarded! All it is is people running on a field and trying to kick a ball between two posts!" Yeah, we know what stuff is. If you put it like that, all metal is is people touching strings on a piece of wood and hitting some drums while screaming into a mic.
It really depends on wether you like electric guitars or not. I listen alot to Eminem (mayby 50cent) like everyday in the train.
I respect their (mostly eminem's) skill in rapping, because his wordflow, creativity and lyrcs are really good. Most rappers are either on a akward lyrically niveau (level) or it just don't sound good.
So in the end I adore E-guitar solo's and those you find mostly in metal. Overall the metal has the most awesome guitar parts of all music. For this reason my favorite stlye is "melodic death metal". It has awesome melodies and awesome solos and if you are a bit used to you'll like the voices as well.
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone.
#1 You ever tried rapping son? #2 Your whole assertion is flawed
This thread has turned from a decent discussion (even though OP is terribad) to a thread that consist of posting hip hop and metal videos. Pathetic.
I also find it annoying when people say "real hip-hop" was in the early 90's when artists like 2pac biggie, nas existed. Can you even define what "real hip hop" is? Everyone that says this, sounds extremely pretentious when you probably don't even listen to hip hop on a regular basis.
I actually just find vocals annoying most of the time, whether they be rap or hiphop or metal or whatever, although I can listen to some female vocalists as long as the musics good and they don't take it over..
The music world isn't split into rap/hip-hop vs metal. People just like hip hop more. It's aimed at appealing to a wider range of people and there's come to be a lot more money and a lot more people supporting the genre. Metal as a mainstream genre died during the early/mid 90s (I don't like to talk about nu metal. For the most part, that was an embarrassing trend).
I listen to a lot of metal and some hip hop and rap. I know plenty of people who listen to both. Again, don't compare the two like that. They aren't mutually exclusive, and what someone listens to is completely up to them. Everyone gets something different out of music, after all.
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). The rap mixed into metal is about as real all of the other rap, you can't really mix in "funny" hip hop into metal either ofc other than perhaps into some funky rock but the variation is still there on the rock\metal side if you decide to go 50/50, which is why Nu metal, in the end, is metal.
), a lot of mainstream rap has the same AABB rhymes that really old rap used to have. Beats were simple. Simple samples and simple rhymes transformed into punchlines with no message and beats full of the same synths and fake 808 drums. The best hip hop that i could chill to aren't as popular as they would have been in the 90s. I except hip hop to make a comeback in maybe 3+ years. Probably by the time the likes of Soulja Boy, Waka Flocka Flame, Roscoe Dash, OJ da Juiceman, and all those other garbage rappers' contracts end. A lot of the rap you hear these days isnt hip hop but more like rap pop. For every 10 rappers, one can flow and the other nine just spit punchlines. No message. 
