On December 10 2010 15:47 Ludrik wrote: I'm not a big fan of American metal. European metal is much better. Rap can be good too. It depends on the artist. Most "popular" rap is complete s*** though.
That's me stating an opinion without actually stating an opinion.
hellllllllllllll yeah! i find europe does metal a lot better.
Just to name some bands which are timeless to me are bathory, black sabbath, priest, motorhead, witchfinder general and electric wizard. its just so hard to find something like that in america.
No, it's not. Orodruin, Pentagram, Penance, Saint Vitus.
I used to listen to a lot of metal. I went through that phase when a band had to be true to be cool. Nowadays, I find metal mostly generic, shallow and boring. Electronic music on the other hand! Or even mainstream pop sometimes!
Moral of the story is not that metal is generic, shallow and boring. But that good music is good music, whether it's simple in some aspect or complex. And of course that some people, genuinely, have different taste than you. Believe it or not, they honestly find that Lil Wayne song better than that classic from Black Sabbath.
On December 10 2010 15:51 TheGrimace wrote: When did you perceive this shift? Even close to a decade ago Metal didn't have shit on Rap. Where is metal so big? I'm pretty sure it suffered a huge decline as the 90's closed.
You also can't generalize rap/hip hop as "talking into a mic" with computer generated tones. The first issue there would be the computer isn't creating anything. Someone has an idea and makes it happen. Computers are a tool, like guitars. Skill may vary.
I was a big fan of KoRn. I'm down with SOAD. I don't necessarily enjoy rap, but I do like hip hop. Goodie Mob, MF Doom, collaborations with Nujabes, Blue Sky Black Death, Cee Lo Green (we're blurring lines here with RnB etc, but you get the point). Listen to some of those groups and tell me there is no skill involved. Your perceptions are clouded by your preferences. I've suffered the same prejudice, but once you open your mind to music instead of genres, I think you'll find the world of music far more interesting.
Edit: It's also worth pointing out that KoRn collaborated with rap artists, and the bass player Fieldy released his solo work, Fieldy's Dreams, which was a rap album. So even KoRn was influenced by rap, and enjoyed the genre.
This guy has got the right idea and he was on the first page of this thread. The only thing that has shifted is people categorizing themselves into what kind of music they like. Once people learn to have confidence in themselves and realize it is okay to like different kinds of music, is when they really appreciate songs, doesn't matter the genre, for what they are.
At the same token you can't relate a few songs of rap that you hear as all hip/hop songs because it is a much deeper genre. I love hip-hop and some artists like A Tribe called Quest, KMD, old-school Nas, and others like Deltron 3030, which is probably not what people associate as "rap" these days.
With this said, I enjoy Electronica, classical rock, jazz, and just a good song in general. My favorite group is Depeche Mode, as I can hear them all day. I do like System of a Down (they came out when I was in high school from a city like 5 miles away from me), some KORN, some Incubus, and then I also like digging into some Led Zeppelin and Jefferson Airplane, among others.
Music is music and there are great songs from all genres, most people put up a wall though, which I kind of feel sad for.
On December 10 2010 15:40 MahatmaSC2 wrote: Where's all the love for metal? I listen to different kinds, from death metal like Cannibal Corpse to thrash metal like Slayer or old Metallica. I also listen to some nu metal bands like KoRn or System of a Down. I love it & the guys that play metal have far more skill than those who just use computer generated noises and talking into a microphone. Why did it grow so much more popular than metal, not to mention every other kind of music?
To clarify things a bit, there's actually a difference between hiphop, rap, and even the current popular music you hear on the radio.
One things for sure though - the current music is not "real" hip-hop. It does not embrace the culture or have anywhere near the same values as it had in the 80's-90's.
With that out of the way, to answer ur question... the reason it's so popular is because the music that's popular now, is just that - straight up pop music. You can tell the obvious shift in the culture if you check out any hip-hop forums on the internet. It's retarded how popular Lil Wayne is (especailly to any real hip-hop fan who realizes he really isnt very good, and remembers where he came from in the background of songs goin "wobblewobble wop wobblewobble wop") and if you look at people talking about him, their defense is "hes the best because he sold millions of albums, and your favorite sucks because he didnt sell". There is no clearer message that shows this is POP music, pop culture, and not hip-hop or even rap.
Hip-hop isnt about sales. Look at where hip-hop comes from. It was always less popular than other genres of music. You didnt hear them caring about sales in the 80's-90's.
Furthermore, they lost the key element of hip-hop. The key element is the underlying message. Modern "hip-pop" lost this element. Lets run with the Lil Wayne example "I'm a sinus minus the nose im froze" - what the hell does that mean? "I be shittin on the streets like a toilet with out a seat" wtf?!
As a true fan of hip-hop it feels disgusting see young kids say "Lil Wayne is the best rapper ever!". He's nowhere close. Who cares how many sales he gets? The kids dont realize, if sales really mattered, than Lil Wayne aint shit. If sales mean shit than TLC is the greatest hip-hop group ever - does anyone here actually think that's true? If sales mean shit, then The Beatles shit on Lil Wayne - 1.3 billion records sold bitches!
Okay, my rant is done =)
(PS - I understand why many people do not enjoy hip-hop, especailly what people are currently calling hip-hop. But I've proven time and time again with IRL friends, that the majority of people who really "Hate" it, just dont know the GOOD hip-hop. Recently I've had so many friends who claim they hate hip-hop become fans of many of Lupe Fiasco better songs. There IS a very small amount of modern music that is real hip-hop. I urge anyone who believes they hate hip-hop to give those few artists that embrace the culture a chance. That's the difference - theres rappers and there is artists. I'll list 2 songs that seem to be favorites of those outside the genre from Lupe since I mentioned him - Check "Streets on Fire" and "Kick, push" and actually listen to the words and contemplate the meaning. Pretty much everyone I know enjoys one or the other, even if they dont like hip-hop.)
Heres some links to the mentioned songs - Streets on Fire, Kick, Push (Sorry, I've forgotten how to embed the vids)
@Spyridon I completely agree man. What is put on the radio as "hip-hop/rap" these days is nowhere near what I consider the genre to be. Real hip-hop listeners who know the history, and artists that set the way know that this isn't what it once was.
The majority of music on the radio put out as "rap" is really just mostly aimed at the club scene or whatever would catch on with kids really quick.
why isn't this closed, the op is freakin terrible..
If you want to make a thread about metal, then imo dont open it with dissing another genre. Besides there was already a metal thread.. it didnt end very well.
Also you sound incredibly narrow-minded and why give a shit what is mainstream atm anyways, we dont have to rely on radio and TV anymroe.
On December 11 2010 03:51 MassHysteria wrote: @Spyridon I completely agree man. What is put on the radio as "hip-hop/rap" these days is nowhere near what I consider the genre to be. Real hip-hop listeners who know the history, and artists that set the way know that this isn't what it once was.
The majority of music on the radio put out as "rap" is really just mostly aimed at the club scene or whatever would catch on with kids really quick.
Yeah, it's just disappointing that so many of them listen for the beat and not the lyrical content, or auto-tune. The essence was lost and money prevails. Sad thing is the real artists arent being supported as much as they should be, and the ones making money are the ones raping the culture - they dont deserve what they are getting. Wayne's getting props and popularity for glorifying his "syrup" - such a disgrace.
Even the sometimes ignorant values of Gangsta Rap did not lose the essence of hip-hop, and while I can completely understand why many people do not enjoy gangsta rap, I would not go as far as to say it's not hip-hop. So for the current music to actually be so bad that it can be called a disgrace.... is just bad.
BTW - added some links in my earlier post that I urge anyone who is NOT a fan of hip-hop to give a chance.
On December 10 2010 15:51 TheGrimace wrote: When did you perceive this shift? Even close to a decade ago Metal didn't have shit on Rap. Where is metal so big? I'm pretty sure it suffered a huge decline as the 90's closed.
You also can't generalize rap/hip hop as "talking into a mic" with computer generated tones. The first issue there would be the computer isn't creating anything. Someone has an idea and makes it happen. Computers are a tool, like guitars. Skill may vary.
I was a big fan of KoRn. I'm down with SOAD. I don't necessarily enjoy rap, but I do like hip hop. Goodie Mob, MF Doom, collaborations with Nujabes, Blue Sky Black Death, Cee Lo Green (we're blurring lines here with RnB etc, but you get the point). Listen to some of those groups and tell me there is no skill involved. Your perceptions are clouded by your preferences. I've suffered the same prejudice, but once you open your mind to music instead of genres, I think you'll find the world of music far more interesting.
Edit: It's also worth pointing out that KoRn collaborated with rap artists, and the bass player Fieldy released his solo work, Fieldy's Dreams, which was a rap album. So even KoRn was influenced by rap, and enjoyed the genre.
Yeah korn did enjoy the genre and were influenced by it, like many other Nu Metal artists. However, they used many, many tools that are basically prohibited if you go "pure rap\ hip hop", you don't see metal getting mixed into hip hop, you see hip hop getting mixed into metal and that's the only way it really can be. I can't see how people cannot grasp how much more varied metal is how much more potential it has, and go on how metal is a thinkgof the past, "just screaming" or whatever. I'm not saying that rap\hip hop is boring, useless or that it's flat out shit, people that listen to it genuinely like it obviously and it is just way more orientated towards entertainment, what I'm saying here is that it's less complex and greatly less varied.
On December 10 2010 15:51 TheGrimace wrote: When did you perceive this shift? Even close to a decade ago Metal didn't have shit on Rap. Where is metal so big? I'm pretty sure it suffered a huge decline as the 90's closed.
You also can't generalize rap/hip hop as "talking into a mic" with computer generated tones. The first issue there would be the computer isn't creating anything. Someone has an idea and makes it happen. Computers are a tool, like guitars. Skill may vary.
I was a big fan of KoRn. I'm down with SOAD. I don't necessarily enjoy rap, but I do like hip hop. Goodie Mob, MF Doom, collaborations with Nujabes, Blue Sky Black Death, Cee Lo Green (we're blurring lines here with RnB etc, but you get the point). Listen to some of those groups and tell me there is no skill involved. Your perceptions are clouded by your preferences. I've suffered the same prejudice, but once you open your mind to music instead of genres, I think you'll find the world of music far more interesting.
Edit: It's also worth pointing out that KoRn collaborated with rap artists, and the bass player Fieldy released his solo work, Fieldy's Dreams, which was a rap album. So even KoRn was influenced by rap, and enjoyed the genre.
Yeah korn did enjoy the genre and were influenced by it, like many other Nu Metal artists. However, they used many, many tools that are basically prohibited if you go "pure rap\ hip hop", you don't see metal getting mixed into hip hop, you see hip hop getting mixed into metal and that's the only way it really can be. I can't see how people cannot grasp how much more varied metal is how much more potential it has, and go on how metal is a thinkgof the past, "just screaming" or whatever. I'm not saying that rap\hip hop is boring, useless or that it's flat out shit, people that listen to it genuinely like it obviously and it is just way more orientated towards entertainment, what I'm saying here is that it's less complex and greatly less varied.
Hiphop can mix in basically every single genre in the world with the use of samples etc. Saying you dont see metal getting mixed into hip hop just shows your lack of knowledge. Maybe you dont see it, but people who dont only listen to the radio do. Btw. I listen to all sorts of heavy music, metal included, and I'm not exactly a hiphop fan I only listen to very few rap artists but I never just push aside a whole genre because of ignorance.
Everyone love one another
HipHop + Max Cavalera = Win.
damn now I'm actually contributing to this thread.T_T
I listen to some rap,but most of the time im listening to screamo and stuff,which is kinda "weird" because most "cool hip hop" guys dislike screamo hard,and the same for the "screamo guys".There is alot of bad rap out there,but theres some good as well,so dont say "I dont like rap" if you never really tried to get into it(same for all other genres)
On December 11 2010 03:43 Frits wrote: i only like house and metal
hiphop is the worst genre, all the grinding and shit in clubs nowadays is just fucking sad, show some class
Metal is class now?
Dancing has always been about sex.
i dont associate with metalheads
and i disagree, dancing is definately not about sex, its about having fun and going crazy, its just that you often meet people that you can take home and bang, which is just a plus
depends what kinda hip hop your talking about, don't generalize it all to just what you hear on the radio. Comparing lil jon to mf doom, is like comparing the Beatles to slayer, they are really different.
And people need to not crap all over other peoples tastes, to each his own.
On December 10 2010 15:51 TheGrimace wrote: When did you perceive this shift? Even close to a decade ago Metal didn't have shit on Rap. Where is metal so big? I'm pretty sure it suffered a huge decline as the 90's closed.
You also can't generalize rap/hip hop as "talking into a mic" with computer generated tones. The first issue there would be the computer isn't creating anything. Someone has an idea and makes it happen. Computers are a tool, like guitars. Skill may vary.
I was a big fan of KoRn. I'm down with SOAD. I don't necessarily enjoy rap, but I do like hip hop. Goodie Mob, MF Doom, collaborations with Nujabes, Blue Sky Black Death, Cee Lo Green (we're blurring lines here with RnB etc, but you get the point). Listen to some of those groups and tell me there is no skill involved. Your perceptions are clouded by your preferences. I've suffered the same prejudice, but once you open your mind to music instead of genres, I think you'll find the world of music far more interesting.
Edit: It's also worth pointing out that KoRn collaborated with rap artists, and the bass player Fieldy released his solo work, Fieldy's Dreams, which was a rap album. So even KoRn was influenced by rap, and enjoyed the genre.
you don't see metal getting mixed into hip hop, you see hip hop getting mixed into metal and that's the only way it really can be.
?? Granted its not really rock but hip hop samples all sorts of stuff.
Ok, I have a query. To all that think metal is any of the following
Dumb, boring, all the same, people just being loud, noise, ect.
All of those people....I wonder if you understand that a great deal of metal is a kind of "just because I can, and you probably can't" kind of thing. As in, they are dinosaurs, and you are just people that can't speak the language.
Actually being able to make the sounds of brutality through (for me, inhaling) the power of the human voice is just beautiful. When a human makes these sounds, I dunno it just hits me right where I want it. So with that, I give you a true look into what these "metal heads" are and what they really want.
Watch till the end, I promise you will at LEAST chuckle. Plus keep an eye on the dude in the back, he can keep going for days and days.
I still never see the merit in treating music genres as "mutually exclusive"
I listen to as much as I can of every genre. My roommates normally give me a questionable look when I jump from Brahms to The Exploited to Kid Cudi to Miles Davis.
Listen to what feels good, don't think about genres, don't think about what kind of people generally listen to this type of music. Just...listen.
Favorite Bands of mine include : Yes, Between the Buried and Me, Fleet Foxes, and A Wilhelm Scream
Keep your mind open, and if you can, read Victor Wooten's book, The Music Lesson
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