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ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-02 07:53:08
September 02 2015 07:52 GMT
#2941
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Playing as France, year is 1631, how am I doing? I was on track to easily get Big Blue Blob but I ended up getting all my mainland holdings full occupied by Switzerland and going 2000 ducats in debt, oops.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 07 2015 14:39 GMT
#2942
On September 02 2015 16:52 ZeroChrome wrote:
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Playing as France, year is 1631, how am I doing? I was on track to easily get Big Blue Blob but I ended up getting all my mainland holdings full occupied by Switzerland and going 2000 ducats in debt, oops.

Was going to ask where are all the colonies, then I realized England and Portugal don't exist anymore lmao

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~120 years to go. Mauritania is my vassal. I have a single colony which is roughly the eastern two-thirds of Canada and Greenland.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11846 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-11 05:38:17
September 11 2015 05:24 GMT
#2943
Been playing a lot of knights games recently and get stuck. I'll list my start and see if people have ideas of what to do not to die next. I do not have the DLC that makes you able to pick the new ruler in a monastic order.

When game loads, remove fort, lower maintenance to 0.
Put the king as general and hope he dies.
Put the light ships on trade node Aleppo.
Start fabricating claim on byzantium.
Take mission to improve relations with Papal states and do that. (Improving with poland or venice doesn't yield an alliance this early.)
If there is an inquisitor take that and start converting the religion of the province. If not, set admin focus and raise stability until it is possible.

Then I ally venice and poland. Sometime before that is done I usually take 2-3 Byzantium provinces in the war the Ottomans have against them. Sometimes the Venice alliance is done before the Otto declare and I declare using that instead. There it is possible to get all 4 Byzantium/Athens provinces. Sometimes with the Otto war as well, rare there though.

Which is when I get stuck. The ottomans keep building galleys, had games where they have 40! of them. So we can't win the naval war even if I go a lot over force limit which is a bit below 20 for ships.

At this point I die whenever I end up in a war with the Ottomans. Even if they are in 2 other wars and I use Venice + Poland I lose. If they declare on me I lose.

Is there some other combination of allies that might allow me to actually win against them or just hope for a run where the Ottomans just lose against some other nation?

Taking the lone Genoa province next to me at the start before Venice is an ally? (As well as the two up near crimea so it is possible to expand away from the ottos for now.) They tend to have Austria, Papal states (or other Italy nation) and Hungary as allies. Just trust naval dominance and block them from reaching my provinces I guess.

Taking Cyprus seems possible with Venice as ally and naval dominance from that.

After that I only have wars without claims being possible to expand from. Any other ideas?

Tried allying Aragon since they and Napels have a big navy but can't have them and Venice at the same time, Castille/France also kills them after a while.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6214 Posts
September 11 2015 08:00 GMT
#2944
My knights game was a long time ago but I attacked Serbia with a no CB war and then expanded into the Balkans. Makes it easier to ally Austria as well.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4730 Posts
September 11 2015 08:04 GMT
#2945
When playing nations with hard start usually the best tactic is to attack without CB some weird target that doesnt make sense historically speaking-->resettle and take your cores back later on.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-11 11:36:21
September 11 2015 11:32 GMT
#2946
Just take lots of loans and build 60 (or whatever, a lot anyway) galleys and kill the Ottoman
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4730 Posts
September 11 2015 11:48 GMT
#2947
I dont think thats feasible.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
September 11 2015 14:16 GMT
#2948
You used to be able to do this for sure. I did it. No CB on ragusa immediately. Take byzantium except constantinople, expand into balkans. Then either ally or take some things from venice. Then trap Ottomans in anatolia using tons of loans. Galleys over the force limit actually don't cost that much.
Nakama
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany584 Posts
September 11 2015 14:38 GMT
#2949
Did they change the coaltion mechanic ? I tried to isolate myself as Frankfut with vassals so noone has a border on me but the coaltion instantly fires when i take another vassal. Im sure this worked in January this year.... Somone knows more ?
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11846 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-13 09:04:23
September 13 2015 08:52 GMT
#2950
Thanks for the no CB war suggestion. Worked out well. Goes well with the Serbia/Bosnia war to scoop up more provinces quickly. 50% of Europe warred with Ottos in first 5 years, still don't know how that alliance happened, they never recovered from that war.

Forming Jerusalem after taking a strip from Greece to middle of Italy was a horrible decision. 75% autonomy everywhere due to distant overseas, from +20 Ducats a month into -20 in one decision. :/ Interesting they weren't distant overseas as long as I stayed as the Knights with capital in Rhodos. I guess I should have moved it to a trade node before that.

Gave up that game there. Could win against the BBB with my allies, so no real challenges left once I get the autonomy down again. (Was the last war we had before I formed Jerusalem.) One Vassal in Papal states so I can get more papal points for free stability.
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Went for lolworthy ideas (Religion -> Maritime -> Quality) didn't touch trade, only one vassal entire run and it worked out decently.

A better start if you don't want Kingdom of Jerusalem is probably to start missionary and directly switch to Orthodox, most early provinces you get are that, so instant correct religion until you have a decent size and can afford converting.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6214 Posts
September 13 2015 09:29 GMT
#2951
I had the same thing forming Jerusalem lol. Fought my way to a land connection though .
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
September 17 2015 10:09 GMT
#2952
I'm playing with Brandenburg with the goal of forming Prussia, however it's 1520s and theres still no reform/protestant stuff. When do they begin?
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11846 Posts
September 17 2015 10:35 GMT
#2953
On September 17 2015 19:09 Bleak wrote:
I'm playing with Brandenburg with the goal of forming Prussia, however it's 1520s and theres still no reform/protestant stuff. When do they begin?


Are those based on global catholic reform desire?
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
September 17 2015 12:20 GMT
#2954
On September 17 2015 19:35 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 19:09 Bleak wrote:
I'm playing with Brandenburg with the goal of forming Prussia, however it's 1520s and theres still no reform/protestant stuff. When do they begin?


Are those based on global catholic reform desire?


I think so, yeah. Currently it is 88% in my game.
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
Nakama
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany584 Posts
September 24 2015 12:19 GMT
#2955
OMFG i am so stupid....
I owed all of europe including poland and lithuania half of africa all the ottomans by 1605 then i decided to trucebreake persia 2 times in a row to straight up annex and release them.
It was the worst decision ever. 200 OE is too much to handle even for only a few month.. i had so much luck this run with PUs and then i am too greedy ... i hate myself now
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-24 12:37:52
September 24 2015 12:34 GMT
#2956
Heh. I could have told You this. My last run at "Over a 1000" as Ottmans ended this way. I truce breaked to eat Ming, and it turned out to be too much I had like 800-1000k standing army. No match for like 10mln+ separatists.

BTW as whom were You playing, sounds like very good run.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-24 12:38:15
September 24 2015 12:36 GMT
#2957
On September 24 2015 21:34 Silvanel wrote:
Heh. I could have told You this. My last run at "Over a 1000" as Ottmans ended this way. I truce breaked to eat Ming, and it turned out to be too much I had like 800-1000k standing army. No match for like 10mln+ separatists.


I quoted myself lol. PLease delate.
Pathetic Greta hater.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6214 Posts
September 24 2015 12:46 GMT
#2958
On September 24 2015 21:19 Nakama wrote:
OMFG i am so stupid....
I owed all of europe including poland and lithuania half of africa all the ottomans by 1605 then i decided to trucebreake persia 2 times in a row to straight up annex and release them.
It was the worst decision ever. 200 OE is too much to handle even for only a few month.. i had so much luck this run with PUs and then i am too greedy ... i hate myself now

Overextension is ridiculous. In my Ottoman 1 tag attempt it cost me loads of manpower and time and in the end was a reason why I barely didn't get the 1tag.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4730 Posts
September 24 2015 13:09 GMT
#2959
100-130 (dont know exact numbers) OE is reasonable but when You are aproaching 200 it becomes insane. A hard cap on expansion i guess.
Pathetic Greta hater.
nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany984 Posts
September 24 2015 13:33 GMT
#2960
I just made it a personal rule to never go above 100% to avoid the horrible events. I think at 130% the chance of monthly progress for rebel factions goes up by 10% and starting at 200% the progress itself increases by 20% instead of 10%.
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