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On April 23 2012 08:46 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 08:44 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:36 RowdierBob wrote:
Vindicare, you're a knowledgable, nice guy with passion for his team, but seriously your Lakers bias is in overload here. Artest is going to get a long ban for that. Maybe, maybe not the whole year, but he'll def be missing Playoff games.
That was as bad as cheap shots get. I'm not saying he won't but long for the NBA is no more than a single playoff series. If he's banned for the first round I'll consider that harsh but I won't argue with it. If he's banned for the entire playoffs for that, that's an unprecedented level of punishment in this NBA, that's what I'd have a problem with, more because of unprecedence more than anything else. No it isn't at least ten times players have been suspended for at least ten games for similar incidents including Carmelo Anthony.
Oh you mean this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knicks–Nuggets_brawl
This altercation was the most penalized on-court fight in the NBA since the Pacers–Pistons brawl two years before.
Carmelo Anthony was also criticized for harming his image as a star, and several writers said the league had penalized the players excessively because it wanted to keep its image free from violence.
Brawls in the NBA are a different catergory altogether. Artest has already stated publically that what he did today was unintentional. You cannot make any similar claim when it comes to a bench clearing brawl.
And even the brawl was criticized for being over-penalized. You think the NBA is really going to hand a punishment on that level to Artest for this?
Unlikely says I.
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On April 23 2012 08:46 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 08:28 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:07 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 07:59 Ace wrote:
Ok it seems you are having trouble understanding.
What someone else did is irrelevant here. Artest committed a flagrant foul that was an ELBOW TO THE HEAD.
ETA: And I never said anything about banning him. I'm not saying that doesn't warrant punishment. It does. I'm not arguing against that at all. But with the way the NBA currently punishes players for inappropriate conduct on the court, a ban is completely unjustified (especially when Harden was cleared to return in the second half.) Artest will get a maximum of a 4 game suspension and a hefty fine. The NBA hasn't had to deal with another guy like Ron Artest. Take away your Lakers bias and look at what he just did. He knew exactly what he was doing. He just straight up elbowed a guy in the head. Don't try and look at what other guys have done. None of them are Ron Artest. None of them raced up into the stands and started punching fans. None of them flipped out and destroyed a tv camera Madison Square Garden. Oh lets not forget how he clotheslined JJ Barea last year in the playoffs. Ron Artest has been suspended 12 times by the NBA before this event. Seriously, the NBA needs to come down hard on him. He should not be in the playoffs. And Harden was cleared to play, but he started experiencing a headache and had to go back to the locker room. And considering how often concussions are misdiagnosed, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out that he does in fact have one. This is absolutely disgusting: ![[image loading]](http://www.miscupload.com/upload/486237043100042677136625.gif) Uhh well having a history is nice and all, but its not like hes getting of scott free for his "felonies". 5-8 games is more than enough. He hopefully hasnt hit him hard enough to break anything or take him out long time. If your punishing for intending to do worse thats a bit speculative. Im not saying history doesnt matter, but please dont make it out like everytime hes done something wrong he hasnt taken punishment. And frankly if the NBA hasnt found it neccessary to extend punishments based on history during his previous 12 suspensions. I dont see why theyd randomely decide to do it now. I dont think people were any less angry the previous times he did this shit.
Ron hasn't done something with complete malice like this since the brawl, where the NBA did come down hard on him. This isnt a typical hard foul. This had no basketball context to it. If you think his history doesn't matter you are wrong. The only way Ron gets off easy is because he plays for the Lakers.
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On April 23 2012 08:58 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 08:46 Rebs wrote:On April 23 2012 08:28 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:07 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 07:59 Ace wrote:
Ok it seems you are having trouble understanding.
What someone else did is irrelevant here. Artest committed a flagrant foul that was an ELBOW TO THE HEAD.
ETA: And I never said anything about banning him. I'm not saying that doesn't warrant punishment. It does. I'm not arguing against that at all. But with the way the NBA currently punishes players for inappropriate conduct on the court, a ban is completely unjustified (especially when Harden was cleared to return in the second half.) Artest will get a maximum of a 4 game suspension and a hefty fine. The NBA hasn't had to deal with another guy like Ron Artest. Take away your Lakers bias and look at what he just did. He knew exactly what he was doing. He just straight up elbowed a guy in the head. Don't try and look at what other guys have done. None of them are Ron Artest. None of them raced up into the stands and started punching fans. None of them flipped out and destroyed a tv camera Madison Square Garden. Oh lets not forget how he clotheslined JJ Barea last year in the playoffs. Ron Artest has been suspended 12 times by the NBA before this event. Seriously, the NBA needs to come down hard on him. He should not be in the playoffs. And Harden was cleared to play, but he started experiencing a headache and had to go back to the locker room. And considering how often concussions are misdiagnosed, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out that he does in fact have one. This is absolutely disgusting: Uhh well having a history is nice and all, but its not like hes getting of scott free for his "felonies". 5-8 games is more than enough. He hopefully hasnt hit him hard enough to break anything or take him out long time. If your punishing for intending to do worse thats a bit speculative. Im not saying history doesnt matter, but please dont make it out like everytime hes done something wrong he hasnt taken punishment. And frankly if the NBA hasnt found it neccessary to extend punishments based on history during his previous 12 suspensions. I dont see why theyd randomely decide to do it now. I dont think people were any less angry the previous times he did this shit. Ron hasn't done something with complete malice like this since the brawl, where the NBA did come down hard on him. This isnt a typical hard foul. This had no basketball context to it. If you think his history doesn't matter you are wrong. The only way Ron gets off easy is because he plays for the Lakers.
Oh ok, so now we get to see that you have anti-Laker hate thrown in there thanks for admitting that.
That would explain why you're so enthusiastic about handing him a huge ban for this. If he was on another team you'd probably not feel the same way.
See how easy it is to use what team a guy plays on as justification? Don't do it. It isn't becoming.
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On April 23 2012 08:55 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 08:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 23 2012 08:44 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:36 RowdierBob wrote:
Vindicare, you're a knowledgable, nice guy with passion for his team, but seriously your Lakers bias is in overload here. Artest is going to get a long ban for that. Maybe, maybe not the whole year, but he'll def be missing Playoff games.
That was as bad as cheap shots get. I'm not saying he won't but long for the NBA is no more than a single playoff series. If he's banned for the first round I'll consider that harsh but I won't argue with it. If he's banned for the entire playoffs for that, that's an unprecedented level of punishment in this NBA, that's what I'd have a problem with, more because of unprecedence more than anything else. No it isn't at least ten times players have been suspended for at least ten games for similar incidents including Carmelo Anthony. Oh you mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knicks–Nuggets_brawlShow nested quote + This altercation was the most penalized on-court fight in the NBA since the Pacers–Pistons brawl two years before. Show nested quote + Carmelo Anthony was also criticized for harming his image as a star, and several writers said the league had penalized the players excessively because it wanted to keep its image free from violence. Brawls in the NBA are a different catergory altogether. Artest has already stated publically that what he did today was unintentional. You cannot make any similar claim when it comes to a bench clearing brawl. And even the brawl was criticized for being over-penalized. You think the NBA is really going to hand a punishment on that level to Artest for this? Unlikely says I.
As a Pacers fan, I will just tell you this, stop trying to stick up for the guy. He will make your club crash and burn. He straight up ruined the Pacers for years. The brawl wasn't over-penalized.
And I dont give a shit what Artest says. He is clearly insane. Of course Ron is gonna say it was unintentional. Why wouldn't he? Dude has lied before you know.
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On April 23 2012 09:01 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 08:58 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:46 Rebs wrote:On April 23 2012 08:28 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:07 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 07:59 Ace wrote:
Ok it seems you are having trouble understanding.
What someone else did is irrelevant here. Artest committed a flagrant foul that was an ELBOW TO THE HEAD.
ETA: And I never said anything about banning him. I'm not saying that doesn't warrant punishment. It does. I'm not arguing against that at all. But with the way the NBA currently punishes players for inappropriate conduct on the court, a ban is completely unjustified (especially when Harden was cleared to return in the second half.) Artest will get a maximum of a 4 game suspension and a hefty fine. The NBA hasn't had to deal with another guy like Ron Artest. Take away your Lakers bias and look at what he just did. He knew exactly what he was doing. He just straight up elbowed a guy in the head. Don't try and look at what other guys have done. None of them are Ron Artest. None of them raced up into the stands and started punching fans. None of them flipped out and destroyed a tv camera Madison Square Garden. Oh lets not forget how he clotheslined JJ Barea last year in the playoffs. Ron Artest has been suspended 12 times by the NBA before this event. Seriously, the NBA needs to come down hard on him. He should not be in the playoffs. And Harden was cleared to play, but he started experiencing a headache and had to go back to the locker room. And considering how often concussions are misdiagnosed, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out that he does in fact have one. This is absolutely disgusting: Uhh well having a history is nice and all, but its not like hes getting of scott free for his "felonies". 5-8 games is more than enough. He hopefully hasnt hit him hard enough to break anything or take him out long time. If your punishing for intending to do worse thats a bit speculative. Im not saying history doesnt matter, but please dont make it out like everytime hes done something wrong he hasnt taken punishment. And frankly if the NBA hasnt found it neccessary to extend punishments based on history during his previous 12 suspensions. I dont see why theyd randomely decide to do it now. I dont think people were any less angry the previous times he did this shit. Ron hasn't done something with complete malice like this since the brawl, where the NBA did come down hard on him. This isnt a typical hard foul. This had no basketball context to it. If you think his history doesn't matter you are wrong. The only way Ron gets off easy is because he plays for the Lakers. Oh ok, so now we get to see that you have anti-Laker hate thrown in there thanks for admitting that. That would explain why you're so enthusiastic about handing him a huge ban for this. If he was on another team you'd probably not feel the same way. See how easy it is to use what team a guy plays on as justification? Don't do it. It isn't becoming.
That is a complete lie. The reason I bring up the Lakers is because the do get preferential treatment. Don't act like they dont. No matter what jersey Ron Artest is wearing, he deserves to be gone for the playoffs. Even if it still said Indiana on it.
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On April 23 2012 09:06 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 08:55 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 23 2012 08:44 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:36 RowdierBob wrote:
Vindicare, you're a knowledgable, nice guy with passion for his team, but seriously your Lakers bias is in overload here. Artest is going to get a long ban for that. Maybe, maybe not the whole year, but he'll def be missing Playoff games.
That was as bad as cheap shots get. I'm not saying he won't but long for the NBA is no more than a single playoff series. If he's banned for the first round I'll consider that harsh but I won't argue with it. If he's banned for the entire playoffs for that, that's an unprecedented level of punishment in this NBA, that's what I'd have a problem with, more because of unprecedence more than anything else. No it isn't at least ten times players have been suspended for at least ten games for similar incidents including Carmelo Anthony. Oh you mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knicks–Nuggets_brawl This altercation was the most penalized on-court fight in the NBA since the Pacers–Pistons brawl two years before. Carmelo Anthony was also criticized for harming his image as a star, and several writers said the league had penalized the players excessively because it wanted to keep its image free from violence. Brawls in the NBA are a different catergory altogether. Artest has already stated publically that what he did today was unintentional. You cannot make any similar claim when it comes to a bench clearing brawl. And even the brawl was criticized for being over-penalized. You think the NBA is really going to hand a punishment on that level to Artest for this? Unlikely says I. As a Pacers fan, I will just tell you this, stop trying to stick up for the guy. He will make your club crash and burn. He straight up ruined the Pacers for years. The brawl wasn't over-penalized. And I dont give a shit what Artest says. He is clearly insane. Of course Ron is gonna say it was unintentional. Why wouldn't he? Dude has lied before you know.
My point on that is, you can actually look at the footage of that and say "Damn, that looks bad but I don't think he meant to do that."
Whether or not you want to is fine, because I won't deny it is an ugly hit to watch on a gif over and over again. But you can make that statement if you want.
You can't do that with a brawl. It's a whole other kind of thing.
For the record, it was the Nuggets-Knicks brawl that was considered overpenalized not the Pacers-Pistons.
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On April 23 2012 09:07 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 09:01 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:58 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:46 Rebs wrote:On April 23 2012 08:28 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:07 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 07:59 Ace wrote:
Ok it seems you are having trouble understanding.
What someone else did is irrelevant here. Artest committed a flagrant foul that was an ELBOW TO THE HEAD.
ETA: And I never said anything about banning him. I'm not saying that doesn't warrant punishment. It does. I'm not arguing against that at all. But with the way the NBA currently punishes players for inappropriate conduct on the court, a ban is completely unjustified (especially when Harden was cleared to return in the second half.) Artest will get a maximum of a 4 game suspension and a hefty fine. The NBA hasn't had to deal with another guy like Ron Artest. Take away your Lakers bias and look at what he just did. He knew exactly what he was doing. He just straight up elbowed a guy in the head. Don't try and look at what other guys have done. None of them are Ron Artest. None of them raced up into the stands and started punching fans. None of them flipped out and destroyed a tv camera Madison Square Garden. Oh lets not forget how he clotheslined JJ Barea last year in the playoffs. Ron Artest has been suspended 12 times by the NBA before this event. Seriously, the NBA needs to come down hard on him. He should not be in the playoffs. And Harden was cleared to play, but he started experiencing a headache and had to go back to the locker room. And considering how often concussions are misdiagnosed, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out that he does in fact have one. This is absolutely disgusting: Uhh well having a history is nice and all, but its not like hes getting of scott free for his "felonies". 5-8 games is more than enough. He hopefully hasnt hit him hard enough to break anything or take him out long time. If your punishing for intending to do worse thats a bit speculative. Im not saying history doesnt matter, but please dont make it out like everytime hes done something wrong he hasnt taken punishment. And frankly if the NBA hasnt found it neccessary to extend punishments based on history during his previous 12 suspensions. I dont see why theyd randomely decide to do it now. I dont think people were any less angry the previous times he did this shit. Ron hasn't done something with complete malice like this since the brawl, where the NBA did come down hard on him. This isnt a typical hard foul. This had no basketball context to it. If you think his history doesn't matter you are wrong. The only way Ron gets off easy is because he plays for the Lakers. Oh ok, so now we get to see that you have anti-Laker hate thrown in there thanks for admitting that. That would explain why you're so enthusiastic about handing him a huge ban for this. If he was on another team you'd probably not feel the same way. See how easy it is to use what team a guy plays on as justification? Don't do it. It isn't becoming. That is a complete lie. The reason I bring up the Lakers is because the do get preferential treatment. Don't act like they dont. See this. This is a logical fallacy it's called Appeal to Popularity.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-popularity.html
You're making the assumption that just because you and a lot of people you may know THINK the Lakers get preferential treatment it doesn't mean they do.
Keep what team the guy is on out of it. Focus on the act and the act alone.
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On April 23 2012 08:28 jmbthirteen wrote:This is absolutely disgusting:
Such a disgrace to the sport. I can't believe there are actually people downplaying this! The punishment should be harsh. Acting like a thug should not be tolerated at all. "World Peace" could had crippled the other player.
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On April 23 2012 09:10 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 09:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 09:01 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:58 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:46 Rebs wrote:On April 23 2012 08:28 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:07 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 07:59 Ace wrote:
Ok it seems you are having trouble understanding.
What someone else did is irrelevant here. Artest committed a flagrant foul that was an ELBOW TO THE HEAD.
ETA: And I never said anything about banning him. I'm not saying that doesn't warrant punishment. It does. I'm not arguing against that at all. But with the way the NBA currently punishes players for inappropriate conduct on the court, a ban is completely unjustified (especially when Harden was cleared to return in the second half.) Artest will get a maximum of a 4 game suspension and a hefty fine. The NBA hasn't had to deal with another guy like Ron Artest. Take away your Lakers bias and look at what he just did. He knew exactly what he was doing. He just straight up elbowed a guy in the head. Don't try and look at what other guys have done. None of them are Ron Artest. None of them raced up into the stands and started punching fans. None of them flipped out and destroyed a tv camera Madison Square Garden. Oh lets not forget how he clotheslined JJ Barea last year in the playoffs. Ron Artest has been suspended 12 times by the NBA before this event. Seriously, the NBA needs to come down hard on him. He should not be in the playoffs. And Harden was cleared to play, but he started experiencing a headache and had to go back to the locker room. And considering how often concussions are misdiagnosed, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out that he does in fact have one. This is absolutely disgusting: Uhh well having a history is nice and all, but its not like hes getting of scott free for his "felonies". 5-8 games is more than enough. He hopefully hasnt hit him hard enough to break anything or take him out long time. If your punishing for intending to do worse thats a bit speculative. Im not saying history doesnt matter, but please dont make it out like everytime hes done something wrong he hasnt taken punishment. And frankly if the NBA hasnt found it neccessary to extend punishments based on history during his previous 12 suspensions. I dont see why theyd randomely decide to do it now. I dont think people were any less angry the previous times he did this shit. Ron hasn't done something with complete malice like this since the brawl, where the NBA did come down hard on him. This isnt a typical hard foul. This had no basketball context to it. If you think his history doesn't matter you are wrong. The only way Ron gets off easy is because he plays for the Lakers. Oh ok, so now we get to see that you have anti-Laker hate thrown in there thanks for admitting that. That would explain why you're so enthusiastic about handing him a huge ban for this. If he was on another team you'd probably not feel the same way. See how easy it is to use what team a guy plays on as justification? Don't do it. It isn't becoming. That is a complete lie. The reason I bring up the Lakers is because the do get preferential treatment. Don't act like they dont. See this. This is a logical fallacy it's called Appeal to Popularity. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-popularity.htmlYou're making the assumption that just because you and a lot of people you may know THINK the Lakers get preferential treatment it doesn't mean they do. Keep what team the guy is on out of it. Focus on the act and the act alone.
Typical Lakers fan thinking they dont get any preferential treatment... Come on now son. Everyone knows the big markets and star players get it.
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I'll just say this about the incident; an elbow to the back of the head can easily cause brain trauma, knows as TBI (traumatic brain injury).. TBI is a major cause of death and disability worldwide
Now how is that "not as bad as what Robin Lopez did" ? Hell, I love players like Ron Artest because they play with heart & fire (well, from time to time he does) - but what he did to Harden is dangerous as hell..
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On April 23 2012 09:08 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 09:06 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:55 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 23 2012 08:44 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:36 RowdierBob wrote:
Vindicare, you're a knowledgable, nice guy with passion for his team, but seriously your Lakers bias is in overload here. Artest is going to get a long ban for that. Maybe, maybe not the whole year, but he'll def be missing Playoff games.
That was as bad as cheap shots get. I'm not saying he won't but long for the NBA is no more than a single playoff series. If he's banned for the first round I'll consider that harsh but I won't argue with it. If he's banned for the entire playoffs for that, that's an unprecedented level of punishment in this NBA, that's what I'd have a problem with, more because of unprecedence more than anything else. No it isn't at least ten times players have been suspended for at least ten games for similar incidents including Carmelo Anthony. Oh you mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knicks–Nuggets_brawl This altercation was the most penalized on-court fight in the NBA since the Pacers–Pistons brawl two years before. Carmelo Anthony was also criticized for harming his image as a star, and several writers said the league had penalized the players excessively because it wanted to keep its image free from violence. Brawls in the NBA are a different catergory altogether. Artest has already stated publically that what he did today was unintentional. You cannot make any similar claim when it comes to a bench clearing brawl. And even the brawl was criticized for being over-penalized. You think the NBA is really going to hand a punishment on that level to Artest for this? Unlikely says I. As a Pacers fan, I will just tell you this, stop trying to stick up for the guy. He will make your club crash and burn. He straight up ruined the Pacers for years. The brawl wasn't over-penalized. And I dont give a shit what Artest says. He is clearly insane. Of course Ron is gonna say it was unintentional. Why wouldn't he? Dude has lied before you know. My point on that is, you can actually look at the footage of that and say "Damn, that looks bad but I don't think he meant to do that." Whether or not you want to is fine, because I won't deny it is an ugly hit to watch on a gif over and over again. But you can make that statement if you want. You can't do that with a brawl. It's a whole other kind of thing. For the record, it was the Nuggets-Knicks brawl that was considered overpenalized not the Pacers-Pistons.
Really? I don't think you can look at the footage and think that. How many years does Artest have left on his contract? Hopefully not many for the Lakers.
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On April 23 2012 09:12 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 09:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 09:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 09:01 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:58 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:46 Rebs wrote:On April 23 2012 08:28 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:07 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 07:59 Ace wrote:
Ok it seems you are having trouble understanding.
What someone else did is irrelevant here. Artest committed a flagrant foul that was an ELBOW TO THE HEAD.
ETA: And I never said anything about banning him. I'm not saying that doesn't warrant punishment. It does. I'm not arguing against that at all. But with the way the NBA currently punishes players for inappropriate conduct on the court, a ban is completely unjustified (especially when Harden was cleared to return in the second half.) Artest will get a maximum of a 4 game suspension and a hefty fine. The NBA hasn't had to deal with another guy like Ron Artest. Take away your Lakers bias and look at what he just did. He knew exactly what he was doing. He just straight up elbowed a guy in the head. Don't try and look at what other guys have done. None of them are Ron Artest. None of them raced up into the stands and started punching fans. None of them flipped out and destroyed a tv camera Madison Square Garden. Oh lets not forget how he clotheslined JJ Barea last year in the playoffs. Ron Artest has been suspended 12 times by the NBA before this event. Seriously, the NBA needs to come down hard on him. He should not be in the playoffs. And Harden was cleared to play, but he started experiencing a headache and had to go back to the locker room. And considering how often concussions are misdiagnosed, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out that he does in fact have one. This is absolutely disgusting: Uhh well having a history is nice and all, but its not like hes getting of scott free for his "felonies". 5-8 games is more than enough. He hopefully hasnt hit him hard enough to break anything or take him out long time. If your punishing for intending to do worse thats a bit speculative. Im not saying history doesnt matter, but please dont make it out like everytime hes done something wrong he hasnt taken punishment. And frankly if the NBA hasnt found it neccessary to extend punishments based on history during his previous 12 suspensions. I dont see why theyd randomely decide to do it now. I dont think people were any less angry the previous times he did this shit. Ron hasn't done something with complete malice like this since the brawl, where the NBA did come down hard on him. This isnt a typical hard foul. This had no basketball context to it. If you think his history doesn't matter you are wrong. The only way Ron gets off easy is because he plays for the Lakers. Oh ok, so now we get to see that you have anti-Laker hate thrown in there thanks for admitting that. That would explain why you're so enthusiastic about handing him a huge ban for this. If he was on another team you'd probably not feel the same way. See how easy it is to use what team a guy plays on as justification? Don't do it. It isn't becoming. That is a complete lie. The reason I bring up the Lakers is because the do get preferential treatment. Don't act like they dont. See this. This is a logical fallacy it's called Appeal to Popularity. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-popularity.htmlYou're making the assumption that just because you and a lot of people you may know THINK the Lakers get preferential treatment it doesn't mean they do. Keep what team the guy is on out of it. Focus on the act and the act alone. Typical Lakers fan thinking they dont get any preferential treatment... Come on now son. Everyone knows the big markets and star players get it.
I can substitute the word fan in your post with "hater" and alter the post accordingly to fit and it would be just as valid as what you just said.
This is why even going in the direction you're going in is just a bad idea.
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Op, so it looks like James Harden does have a concussion after all.
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On April 23 2012 09:13 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 09:08 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 09:06 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:55 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 23 2012 08:44 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:36 RowdierBob wrote:
Vindicare, you're a knowledgable, nice guy with passion for his team, but seriously your Lakers bias is in overload here. Artest is going to get a long ban for that. Maybe, maybe not the whole year, but he'll def be missing Playoff games.
That was as bad as cheap shots get. I'm not saying he won't but long for the NBA is no more than a single playoff series. If he's banned for the first round I'll consider that harsh but I won't argue with it. If he's banned for the entire playoffs for that, that's an unprecedented level of punishment in this NBA, that's what I'd have a problem with, more because of unprecedence more than anything else. No it isn't at least ten times players have been suspended for at least ten games for similar incidents including Carmelo Anthony. Oh you mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knicks–Nuggets_brawl This altercation was the most penalized on-court fight in the NBA since the Pacers–Pistons brawl two years before. Carmelo Anthony was also criticized for harming his image as a star, and several writers said the league had penalized the players excessively because it wanted to keep its image free from violence. Brawls in the NBA are a different catergory altogether. Artest has already stated publically that what he did today was unintentional. You cannot make any similar claim when it comes to a bench clearing brawl. And even the brawl was criticized for being over-penalized. You think the NBA is really going to hand a punishment on that level to Artest for this? Unlikely says I. As a Pacers fan, I will just tell you this, stop trying to stick up for the guy. He will make your club crash and burn. He straight up ruined the Pacers for years. The brawl wasn't over-penalized. And I dont give a shit what Artest says. He is clearly insane. Of course Ron is gonna say it was unintentional. Why wouldn't he? Dude has lied before you know. My point on that is, you can actually look at the footage of that and say "Damn, that looks bad but I don't think he meant to do that." Whether or not you want to is fine, because I won't deny it is an ugly hit to watch on a gif over and over again. But you can make that statement if you want. You can't do that with a brawl. It's a whole other kind of thing. For the record, it was the Nuggets-Knicks brawl that was considered overpenalized not the Pacers-Pistons. Really? I don't think you can look at the footage and think that. How many years does Artest have left on his contract? Hopefully not many for the Lakers.
I saw the hit as it happened in the context in which it happened.
That gif doesn't show the full context it just shows the hit.
Artest was celebrating after a dunk like he always does and threw an elbow in the direction of a guy he may not have seen because he was so caught up in his moment.
I say may not, because I don't know. But that alternative explanation IS available. Which makes it very different from a brawl.
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On April 23 2012 09:08 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 09:06 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:55 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 23 2012 08:44 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:36 RowdierBob wrote:
Vindicare, you're a knowledgable, nice guy with passion for his team, but seriously your Lakers bias is in overload here. Artest is going to get a long ban for that. Maybe, maybe not the whole year, but he'll def be missing Playoff games.
That was as bad as cheap shots get. I'm not saying he won't but long for the NBA is no more than a single playoff series. If he's banned for the first round I'll consider that harsh but I won't argue with it. If he's banned for the entire playoffs for that, that's an unprecedented level of punishment in this NBA, that's what I'd have a problem with, more because of unprecedence more than anything else. No it isn't at least ten times players have been suspended for at least ten games for similar incidents including Carmelo Anthony. Oh you mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knicks–Nuggets_brawl This altercation was the most penalized on-court fight in the NBA since the Pacers–Pistons brawl two years before. Carmelo Anthony was also criticized for harming his image as a star, and several writers said the league had penalized the players excessively because it wanted to keep its image free from violence. Brawls in the NBA are a different catergory altogether. Artest has already stated publically that what he did today was unintentional. You cannot make any similar claim when it comes to a bench clearing brawl. And even the brawl was criticized for being over-penalized. You think the NBA is really going to hand a punishment on that level to Artest for this? Unlikely says I. As a Pacers fan, I will just tell you this, stop trying to stick up for the guy. He will make your club crash and burn. He straight up ruined the Pacers for years. The brawl wasn't over-penalized. And I dont give a shit what Artest says. He is clearly insane. Of course Ron is gonna say it was unintentional. Why wouldn't he? Dude has lied before you know. My point on that is, you can actually look at the footage of that and say "Damn, that looks bad but I don't think he meant to do that." Whether or not you want to is fine, because I won't deny it is an ugly hit to watch on a gif over and over again. But you can make that statement if you want. You can't do that with a brawl. It's a whole other kind of thing. For the record, it was the Nuggets-Knicks brawl that was considered overpenalized not the Pacers-Pistons.
Pretty sure anyone looking at that gif would say it was intentional dude.
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On April 23 2012 08:53 Redmark wrote:
Yeah, I'm not that big a basketball fan and I'm a bit horrified by that gif. The fuck happened? I assume he scores, he pumps his arms, then completely randomly decides to swing an elbow at the head of a guy he's not even looking at? This a joke?
There was a basket and everyone was cluttered under the hoop. Didn't really show much of that. Something probably happened then Harden went up to him. That's when "World Peace" introduced him to his elbow.
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On April 23 2012 09:19 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 09:08 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 09:06 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:55 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 23 2012 08:44 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:36 RowdierBob wrote:
Vindicare, you're a knowledgable, nice guy with passion for his team, but seriously your Lakers bias is in overload here. Artest is going to get a long ban for that. Maybe, maybe not the whole year, but he'll def be missing Playoff games.
That was as bad as cheap shots get. I'm not saying he won't but long for the NBA is no more than a single playoff series. If he's banned for the first round I'll consider that harsh but I won't argue with it. If he's banned for the entire playoffs for that, that's an unprecedented level of punishment in this NBA, that's what I'd have a problem with, more because of unprecedence more than anything else. No it isn't at least ten times players have been suspended for at least ten games for similar incidents including Carmelo Anthony. Oh you mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knicks–Nuggets_brawl This altercation was the most penalized on-court fight in the NBA since the Pacers–Pistons brawl two years before. Carmelo Anthony was also criticized for harming his image as a star, and several writers said the league had penalized the players excessively because it wanted to keep its image free from violence. Brawls in the NBA are a different catergory altogether. Artest has already stated publically that what he did today was unintentional. You cannot make any similar claim when it comes to a bench clearing brawl. And even the brawl was criticized for being over-penalized. You think the NBA is really going to hand a punishment on that level to Artest for this? Unlikely says I. As a Pacers fan, I will just tell you this, stop trying to stick up for the guy. He will make your club crash and burn. He straight up ruined the Pacers for years. The brawl wasn't over-penalized. And I dont give a shit what Artest says. He is clearly insane. Of course Ron is gonna say it was unintentional. Why wouldn't he? Dude has lied before you know. My point on that is, you can actually look at the footage of that and say "Damn, that looks bad but I don't think he meant to do that." Whether or not you want to is fine, because I won't deny it is an ugly hit to watch on a gif over and over again. But you can make that statement if you want. You can't do that with a brawl. It's a whole other kind of thing. For the record, it was the Nuggets-Knicks brawl that was considered overpenalized not the Pacers-Pistons. Pretty sure anyone looking at that gif would say it was intentional dude.
Like I said. If you're JUST looking at the gif it looks really intentional but if you add in the rest of the context it isn't quite as clear.
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On April 23 2012 09:21 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 09:19 chaoser wrote:On April 23 2012 09:08 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 09:06 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:55 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 23 2012 08:44 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:36 RowdierBob wrote:
Vindicare, you're a knowledgable, nice guy with passion for his team, but seriously your Lakers bias is in overload here. Artest is going to get a long ban for that. Maybe, maybe not the whole year, but he'll def be missing Playoff games.
That was as bad as cheap shots get. I'm not saying he won't but long for the NBA is no more than a single playoff series. If he's banned for the first round I'll consider that harsh but I won't argue with it. If he's banned for the entire playoffs for that, that's an unprecedented level of punishment in this NBA, that's what I'd have a problem with, more because of unprecedence more than anything else. No it isn't at least ten times players have been suspended for at least ten games for similar incidents including Carmelo Anthony. Oh you mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knicks–Nuggets_brawl This altercation was the most penalized on-court fight in the NBA since the Pacers–Pistons brawl two years before. Carmelo Anthony was also criticized for harming his image as a star, and several writers said the league had penalized the players excessively because it wanted to keep its image free from violence. Brawls in the NBA are a different catergory altogether. Artest has already stated publically that what he did today was unintentional. You cannot make any similar claim when it comes to a bench clearing brawl. And even the brawl was criticized for being over-penalized. You think the NBA is really going to hand a punishment on that level to Artest for this? Unlikely says I. As a Pacers fan, I will just tell you this, stop trying to stick up for the guy. He will make your club crash and burn. He straight up ruined the Pacers for years. The brawl wasn't over-penalized. And I dont give a shit what Artest says. He is clearly insane. Of course Ron is gonna say it was unintentional. Why wouldn't he? Dude has lied before you know. My point on that is, you can actually look at the footage of that and say "Damn, that looks bad but I don't think he meant to do that." Whether or not you want to is fine, because I won't deny it is an ugly hit to watch on a gif over and over again. But you can make that statement if you want. You can't do that with a brawl. It's a whole other kind of thing. For the record, it was the Nuggets-Knicks brawl that was considered overpenalized not the Pacers-Pistons. Pretty sure anyone looking at that gif would say it was intentional dude. Like I said. If you're JUST looking at the gif it looks really intentional but if you add in the rest of the context it isn't quite as clear.
So you're saying the gif makes it seem like the elbow was intentional but everything else doesn't? Word? Is that the argument you're running with? That Ron Artest didn't intentional swing his elbow that way at Harden? The gif covers pretty much his whole "celebration" btw.
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On April 23 2012 09:23 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 09:21 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 09:19 chaoser wrote:On April 23 2012 09:08 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 09:06 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 23 2012 08:55 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 23 2012 08:44 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 23 2012 08:36 RowdierBob wrote:
Vindicare, you're a knowledgable, nice guy with passion for his team, but seriously your Lakers bias is in overload here. Artest is going to get a long ban for that. Maybe, maybe not the whole year, but he'll def be missing Playoff games.
That was as bad as cheap shots get. I'm not saying he won't but long for the NBA is no more than a single playoff series. If he's banned for the first round I'll consider that harsh but I won't argue with it. If he's banned for the entire playoffs for that, that's an unprecedented level of punishment in this NBA, that's what I'd have a problem with, more because of unprecedence more than anything else. No it isn't at least ten times players have been suspended for at least ten games for similar incidents including Carmelo Anthony. Oh you mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knicks–Nuggets_brawl This altercation was the most penalized on-court fight in the NBA since the Pacers–Pistons brawl two years before. Carmelo Anthony was also criticized for harming his image as a star, and several writers said the league had penalized the players excessively because it wanted to keep its image free from violence. Brawls in the NBA are a different catergory altogether. Artest has already stated publically that what he did today was unintentional. You cannot make any similar claim when it comes to a bench clearing brawl. And even the brawl was criticized for being over-penalized. You think the NBA is really going to hand a punishment on that level to Artest for this? Unlikely says I. As a Pacers fan, I will just tell you this, stop trying to stick up for the guy. He will make your club crash and burn. He straight up ruined the Pacers for years. The brawl wasn't over-penalized. And I dont give a shit what Artest says. He is clearly insane. Of course Ron is gonna say it was unintentional. Why wouldn't he? Dude has lied before you know. My point on that is, you can actually look at the footage of that and say "Damn, that looks bad but I don't think he meant to do that." Whether or not you want to is fine, because I won't deny it is an ugly hit to watch on a gif over and over again. But you can make that statement if you want. You can't do that with a brawl. It's a whole other kind of thing. For the record, it was the Nuggets-Knicks brawl that was considered overpenalized not the Pacers-Pistons. Pretty sure anyone looking at that gif would say it was intentional dude. Like I said. If you're JUST looking at the gif it looks really intentional but if you add in the rest of the context it isn't quite as clear. So you're saying the gif makes it seem like the elbow was intentional but everything else doesn't? Word? Is that the argument you're running with? The gif covers pretty much his whole "celebration" btw.
It misses the beginning part where he was pretty much doing the same motions as before. It can go either way but I definitely had a much different opinion watching the whole video.
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