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On June 03 2011 10:53 d(O.o)a wrote:
Than refute with evidence and stating your arguments instead of simply claiming I'm wrong, otherwise stop posting.
you sir are halpless zzzz
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On June 03 2011 10:53 d(O.o)a wrote:
Than refute with evidence and stating your arguments instead of simply claiming I'm wrong, otherwise stop posting.
THEN, its THEN, for gods sake. What is happening to this generation? I'm starting to lose hope 
please...
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On June 03 2011 11:16 DarkGeneral wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:53 d(O.o)a wrote:
Than refute with evidence and stating your arguments instead of simply claiming I'm wrong, otherwise stop posting. THEN, its THEN, for gods sake. What is happening to this generation? I'm starting to lose hope please...
IT'S, IT'S IT'S, for gods sake. What is happening to this generation? I'm starting to lose hope
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On June 03 2011 11:29 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:16 DarkGeneral wrote:On June 03 2011 10:53 d(O.o)a wrote:
Than refute with evidence and stating your arguments instead of simply claiming I'm wrong, otherwise stop posting. THEN, its THEN, for gods sake. What is happening to this generation? I'm starting to lose hope please... IT'S, IT'S IT'S, for gods sake. What is happening to this generation? I'm starting to lose hope
haha I've just been enjoying the arguments thus far, but that was good stuff 
Anyways, I don't like d2jsp but I will be using it again for d3 simply because it's kind of a disadvantage to not use it. Either way though, D3 itself will be a lot of fun and can't wait.
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On June 03 2011 10:46 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:30 MrProb wrote:On June 03 2011 10:05 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 09:37 merlin101 wrote:On June 03 2011 06:39 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 05:43 blubshizzle wrote:On June 03 2011 05:22 d(O.o)a wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 18:08 blubshizzle wrote:
I still do not like d2jsp. It might be great as a concept but not when the concept doesn't work right on all ends.
If i would 24/7 bot d2 and sell all items. I can trade these for fg(forum gold). And buy anything in d3.
So basicly what this means is: Whenever i find a d3 item i am going to trade this with some wow gold or some shitty crap enigma from d2 or just something i want from d3.
This basicly means you can better play d2 to get easier, faster and better items at d3.
How is this a good thing?
What can be exploited will be exploited.
A concept like this will always ruin a new game economy. And stop saying we have to get used to it. I have never traded in d2jsp and always played the game my way.
Just stop using d2jsp and see how it ruins anything that is remotely trying to create an ingame economy on its own. I know d2 has a bad ingame economy. But in the very beginning we just traded what we need for something they need. I´m not saying i want back to that old weird way but just keep the system within the game.
Give me a good reason why i should use d2jsp and why it works so well for d3. Consider i don´t want to play or trade with wow, d2 or any other game. How is having stored forum gold any different from the newbs who will buy things with real life money? The only difference is d2jsp is rewarding people for playing other games, not for being willing to spend their real-world money on in-game things. (Now that's not to say there aren't people who buy FG or buy items to trade for FG, those people are rewarded too, but so are people like me with thousands of fg who never put a penny into it.) Also, Barrin, teleporting fast is no skill, anybody who has been playing the game for more than a year can do it. I'm sorry but this is not an awnser to my question. It is just another reason to not use d2jsp and hope d2jsp will not be used for d3. I disagree entirely, it's like complaining that people who played broodwar/WC3 are better at Starcraft 2 than somebody who just started playing it when it came out. You're rewarded for being a part of the community/doing things related to the gaming scene instead of seeing a new game and some random newb is the richest because he happened to get a lucky drop. The people who played BW aren't better because they sticked with the community! They're better because of they have better mechanics! You shouldn't be winning more games just because you have sticked with TL for 10 years but because of the skill you gained during these years! And btw: If it takes someone 1year playing a game to master a certain ability it is skill. You might argue the ceiling is not very high but there is skill involved. It's for the sake of the analogy, there are no mechanics to master in diablo, if any they are extremely basic things like knowing what skills to get and what areas to farm. Those are not skills that transfer over, since diablo is an RPG, the only transferable thing is wealth. For example, when runescape upgraded to its new runescape 2, players were able to transfer over their old items, there's no reason they shouldn't. Much like players should be able to transfer their wealth obtained from other games. Honestly, it seems like the only argument against d2jsp is people complaining because they do not have the wealth and think that everybody who does got it from botting or whatever, give me another reason. My argument for is that it is awesome to not have wasted all the time you've spent on a game when you quit, thus forum gold is a great resource for switching games or even buying thing in real life. (In addition to what I've already posted that is) how do you buy thing in real life with FG ? and most of those FG came from botting. only ppl saying D2jsp is good are those whose been using and still using it. I've been using D2jsp when i get back to D2 after almost 10years of quitting becuz of bots and dupe.It took me only a month or so to reach 10k FG w/o botting at all but still, its one of the worst thing that could ever happen to D2 market other than bots and dupes. The only people who make FG from botting are the people who would make FG without botting, in order to make a lot of FG from botting you need a really good pickit as the bot only keeps what you tell it to. All the most valuable items will never be found by bots, and if they are than it's the people who have been there for ages and know what to keep anyways. Sure you can get rich by botting and selling a bunch of crappy 1-10fg items, but that's a major waste of time. I don't see how people botting is a reason D2JSP is bad, people will bot if there are bots regardless of whether D2JSP is in the game or not. Those people who get rich from botting and selling stuff on D2JSP will be rich in-game without D2JSP, it seems like the only reason people have against it is that they AREN'T rich and aren't willing to put the time in to get rich.
D2jsp is awful, it is incredibly elitist and prices get inflated by the vast amount of people who buy FG with real money, granted people can make tons of FG without spending a dime, but they are people who usually bot (not just botting for items, running private baal bots/uber bots/grushs/etc).
FG obtained by selling items from botting will be used to buy stuff in D3 at the beginning, making the economy incredibly unstable for maybe months, it won't be figured out right away without D2jsp anyways, but it only makes it worse.
And for people paying real money for the items anyways, they would have to actually pay real money to get ahead if D2jsp didn't exist in D3. This huge amount of FG being obtained with really no effort at all in D2 will just ruin a big part of the multiplayer/trading experience.
I wish it wasn't going to happen, but it will, because you can't stop people with enough money, so whatever.
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On June 03 2011 11:57 SuperXlax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:46 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 10:30 MrProb wrote:On June 03 2011 10:05 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 09:37 merlin101 wrote:On June 03 2011 06:39 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 05:43 blubshizzle wrote:On June 03 2011 05:22 d(O.o)a wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 18:08 blubshizzle wrote:
I still do not like d2jsp. It might be great as a concept but not when the concept doesn't work right on all ends.
If i would 24/7 bot d2 and sell all items. I can trade these for fg(forum gold). And buy anything in d3.
So basicly what this means is: Whenever i find a d3 item i am going to trade this with some wow gold or some shitty crap enigma from d2 or just something i want from d3.
This basicly means you can better play d2 to get easier, faster and better items at d3.
How is this a good thing?
What can be exploited will be exploited.
A concept like this will always ruin a new game economy. And stop saying we have to get used to it. I have never traded in d2jsp and always played the game my way.
Just stop using d2jsp and see how it ruins anything that is remotely trying to create an ingame economy on its own. I know d2 has a bad ingame economy. But in the very beginning we just traded what we need for something they need. I´m not saying i want back to that old weird way but just keep the system within the game.
Give me a good reason why i should use d2jsp and why it works so well for d3. Consider i don´t want to play or trade with wow, d2 or any other game. How is having stored forum gold any different from the newbs who will buy things with real life money? The only difference is d2jsp is rewarding people for playing other games, not for being willing to spend their real-world money on in-game things. (Now that's not to say there aren't people who buy FG or buy items to trade for FG, those people are rewarded too, but so are people like me with thousands of fg who never put a penny into it.) Also, Barrin, teleporting fast is no skill, anybody who has been playing the game for more than a year can do it. I'm sorry but this is not an awnser to my question. It is just another reason to not use d2jsp and hope d2jsp will not be used for d3. I disagree entirely, it's like complaining that people who played broodwar/WC3 are better at Starcraft 2 than somebody who just started playing it when it came out. You're rewarded for being a part of the community/doing things related to the gaming scene instead of seeing a new game and some random newb is the richest because he happened to get a lucky drop. The people who played BW aren't better because they sticked with the community! They're better because of they have better mechanics! You shouldn't be winning more games just because you have sticked with TL for 10 years but because of the skill you gained during these years! And btw: If it takes someone 1year playing a game to master a certain ability it is skill. You might argue the ceiling is not very high but there is skill involved. It's for the sake of the analogy, there are no mechanics to master in diablo, if any they are extremely basic things like knowing what skills to get and what areas to farm. Those are not skills that transfer over, since diablo is an RPG, the only transferable thing is wealth. For example, when runescape upgraded to its new runescape 2, players were able to transfer over their old items, there's no reason they shouldn't. Much like players should be able to transfer their wealth obtained from other games. Honestly, it seems like the only argument against d2jsp is people complaining because they do not have the wealth and think that everybody who does got it from botting or whatever, give me another reason. My argument for is that it is awesome to not have wasted all the time you've spent on a game when you quit, thus forum gold is a great resource for switching games or even buying thing in real life. (In addition to what I've already posted that is) how do you buy thing in real life with FG ? and most of those FG came from botting. only ppl saying D2jsp is good are those whose been using and still using it. I've been using D2jsp when i get back to D2 after almost 10years of quitting becuz of bots and dupe.It took me only a month or so to reach 10k FG w/o botting at all but still, its one of the worst thing that could ever happen to D2 market other than bots and dupes. The only people who make FG from botting are the people who would make FG without botting, in order to make a lot of FG from botting you need a really good pickit as the bot only keeps what you tell it to. All the most valuable items will never be found by bots, and if they are than it's the people who have been there for ages and know what to keep anyways. Sure you can get rich by botting and selling a bunch of crappy 1-10fg items, but that's a major waste of time. I don't see how people botting is a reason D2JSP is bad, people will bot if there are bots regardless of whether D2JSP is in the game or not. Those people who get rich from botting and selling stuff on D2JSP will be rich in-game without D2JSP, it seems like the only reason people have against it is that they AREN'T rich and aren't willing to put the time in to get rich. D2jsp is awful, it is incredibly elitist and prices get inflated by the vast amount of people who buy FG with real money, granted people can make tons of FG without spending a dime, but they are people who usually bot (not just botting for items, running private baal bots/uber bots/grushs/etc). FG obtained by selling items from botting will be used to buy stuff in D3 at the beginning, making the economy incredibly unstable for maybe months, it won't be figured out right away without D2jsp anyways, but it only makes it worse. And for people paying real money for the items anyways, they would have to actually pay real money to get ahead if D2jsp didn't exist in D3. This huge amount of FG being obtained with really no effort at all in D2 will just ruin a big part of the multiplayer/trading experience. I wish it wasn't going to happen, but it will, because you can't stop people with enough money, so whatever.
But you say this as if everybody is forced to use D2JSP, the people with lots of FG can only buy items from people willing to sell them on D2JSP, whereas anybody can buy from gold sellers. You can go ahead and do all your trading in-game and the only possible influence D2JSP could have is prices.
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On June 03 2011 12:05 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:57 SuperXlax wrote:On June 03 2011 10:46 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 10:30 MrProb wrote:On June 03 2011 10:05 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 09:37 merlin101 wrote:On June 03 2011 06:39 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 05:43 blubshizzle wrote:On June 03 2011 05:22 d(O.o)a wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 18:08 blubshizzle wrote:
I still do not like d2jsp. It might be great as a concept but not when the concept doesn't work right on all ends.
If i would 24/7 bot d2 and sell all items. I can trade these for fg(forum gold). And buy anything in d3.
So basicly what this means is: Whenever i find a d3 item i am going to trade this with some wow gold or some shitty crap enigma from d2 or just something i want from d3.
This basicly means you can better play d2 to get easier, faster and better items at d3.
How is this a good thing?
What can be exploited will be exploited.
A concept like this will always ruin a new game economy. And stop saying we have to get used to it. I have never traded in d2jsp and always played the game my way.
Just stop using d2jsp and see how it ruins anything that is remotely trying to create an ingame economy on its own. I know d2 has a bad ingame economy. But in the very beginning we just traded what we need for something they need. I´m not saying i want back to that old weird way but just keep the system within the game.
Give me a good reason why i should use d2jsp and why it works so well for d3. Consider i don´t want to play or trade with wow, d2 or any other game. How is having stored forum gold any different from the newbs who will buy things with real life money? The only difference is d2jsp is rewarding people for playing other games, not for being willing to spend their real-world money on in-game things. (Now that's not to say there aren't people who buy FG or buy items to trade for FG, those people are rewarded too, but so are people like me with thousands of fg who never put a penny into it.) Also, Barrin, teleporting fast is no skill, anybody who has been playing the game for more than a year can do it. I'm sorry but this is not an awnser to my question. It is just another reason to not use d2jsp and hope d2jsp will not be used for d3. I disagree entirely, it's like complaining that people who played broodwar/WC3 are better at Starcraft 2 than somebody who just started playing it when it came out. You're rewarded for being a part of the community/doing things related to the gaming scene instead of seeing a new game and some random newb is the richest because he happened to get a lucky drop. The people who played BW aren't better because they sticked with the community! They're better because of they have better mechanics! You shouldn't be winning more games just because you have sticked with TL for 10 years but because of the skill you gained during these years! And btw: If it takes someone 1year playing a game to master a certain ability it is skill. You might argue the ceiling is not very high but there is skill involved. It's for the sake of the analogy, there are no mechanics to master in diablo, if any they are extremely basic things like knowing what skills to get and what areas to farm. Those are not skills that transfer over, since diablo is an RPG, the only transferable thing is wealth. For example, when runescape upgraded to its new runescape 2, players were able to transfer over their old items, there's no reason they shouldn't. Much like players should be able to transfer their wealth obtained from other games. Honestly, it seems like the only argument against d2jsp is people complaining because they do not have the wealth and think that everybody who does got it from botting or whatever, give me another reason. My argument for is that it is awesome to not have wasted all the time you've spent on a game when you quit, thus forum gold is a great resource for switching games or even buying thing in real life. (In addition to what I've already posted that is) how do you buy thing in real life with FG ? and most of those FG came from botting. only ppl saying D2jsp is good are those whose been using and still using it. I've been using D2jsp when i get back to D2 after almost 10years of quitting becuz of bots and dupe.It took me only a month or so to reach 10k FG w/o botting at all but still, its one of the worst thing that could ever happen to D2 market other than bots and dupes. The only people who make FG from botting are the people who would make FG without botting, in order to make a lot of FG from botting you need a really good pickit as the bot only keeps what you tell it to. All the most valuable items will never be found by bots, and if they are than it's the people who have been there for ages and know what to keep anyways. Sure you can get rich by botting and selling a bunch of crappy 1-10fg items, but that's a major waste of time. I don't see how people botting is a reason D2JSP is bad, people will bot if there are bots regardless of whether D2JSP is in the game or not. Those people who get rich from botting and selling stuff on D2JSP will be rich in-game without D2JSP, it seems like the only reason people have against it is that they AREN'T rich and aren't willing to put the time in to get rich. D2jsp is awful, it is incredibly elitist and prices get inflated by the vast amount of people who buy FG with real money, granted people can make tons of FG without spending a dime, but they are people who usually bot (not just botting for items, running private baal bots/uber bots/grushs/etc). FG obtained by selling items from botting will be used to buy stuff in D3 at the beginning, making the economy incredibly unstable for maybe months, it won't be figured out right away without D2jsp anyways, but it only makes it worse. And for people paying real money for the items anyways, they would have to actually pay real money to get ahead if D2jsp didn't exist in D3. This huge amount of FG being obtained with really no effort at all in D2 will just ruin a big part of the multiplayer/trading experience. I wish it wasn't going to happen, but it will, because you can't stop people with enough money, so whatever. But you say this as if everybody is forced to use D2JSP, the people with lots of FG can only buy items from people willing to sell them on D2JSP, whereas anybody can buy from gold sellers. You can go ahead and do all your trading in-game and the only possible influence D2JSP could have is prices.
Prices you say... aint that the most important thing in the market ? lol.... i cant believe this guy, really.
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I feel like people have some huge misconception where 99% of FG on d2jsp is obtained through botting in diablo 2. While it's likely that some people obtained a large amount of FG through botting there are plenty of legitimate accounts as well. Every one is not a hacker/botter/cheater.
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Would you like to see d2jsp in Diablo 3?I would be very against d2jsp (or any website like it). (44) 66% I would not play D3 if d2jsp was rampant. (10) 15% I don't really care. (10) 15% I would love to see d2jsp in D3 (I'm already rich) (3) 4% 67 total votes Your vote: Would you like to see d2jsp in Diablo 3? (Vote): I would not play D3 if d2jsp was rampant.
(Vote): I would be very against d2jsp (or any website like it).
(Vote): I don't really care.
(Vote): I would love to see d2jsp in D3 (I'm already rich)
Have fun not playing Diablo 3 whomever said they wouldn't play if d2jsp was rampant. I don't know what you mean by rampant, but people will be trading through d2jsp. It has trading for most of the popular online games and there's no reason Diablo 3 won't be included.
I can't understand why people are so against d2jsp when it probably won't even affect them at all. All the items sold for FG at the start of Diablo 3 will likely clean out the richest people on the website. Does it really matter that some guy has some awesome item that you'll probably never meet? If he hadn't bought it with forum gold he might have bought it from ebay. Does it really matter either way?
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On June 03 2011 12:05 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:57 SuperXlax wrote:On June 03 2011 10:46 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 10:30 MrProb wrote:On June 03 2011 10:05 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 09:37 merlin101 wrote:On June 03 2011 06:39 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 05:43 blubshizzle wrote:On June 03 2011 05:22 d(O.o)a wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 18:08 blubshizzle wrote:
I still do not like d2jsp. It might be great as a concept but not when the concept doesn't work right on all ends.
If i would 24/7 bot d2 and sell all items. I can trade these for fg(forum gold). And buy anything in d3.
So basicly what this means is: Whenever i find a d3 item i am going to trade this with some wow gold or some shitty crap enigma from d2 or just something i want from d3.
This basicly means you can better play d2 to get easier, faster and better items at d3.
How is this a good thing?
What can be exploited will be exploited.
A concept like this will always ruin a new game economy. And stop saying we have to get used to it. I have never traded in d2jsp and always played the game my way.
Just stop using d2jsp and see how it ruins anything that is remotely trying to create an ingame economy on its own. I know d2 has a bad ingame economy. But in the very beginning we just traded what we need for something they need. I´m not saying i want back to that old weird way but just keep the system within the game.
Give me a good reason why i should use d2jsp and why it works so well for d3. Consider i don´t want to play or trade with wow, d2 or any other game. How is having stored forum gold any different from the newbs who will buy things with real life money? The only difference is d2jsp is rewarding people for playing other games, not for being willing to spend their real-world money on in-game things. (Now that's not to say there aren't people who buy FG or buy items to trade for FG, those people are rewarded too, but so are people like me with thousands of fg who never put a penny into it.) Also, Barrin, teleporting fast is no skill, anybody who has been playing the game for more than a year can do it. I'm sorry but this is not an awnser to my question. It is just another reason to not use d2jsp and hope d2jsp will not be used for d3. I disagree entirely, it's like complaining that people who played broodwar/WC3 are better at Starcraft 2 than somebody who just started playing it when it came out. You're rewarded for being a part of the community/doing things related to the gaming scene instead of seeing a new game and some random newb is the richest because he happened to get a lucky drop. The people who played BW aren't better because they sticked with the community! They're better because of they have better mechanics! You shouldn't be winning more games just because you have sticked with TL for 10 years but because of the skill you gained during these years! And btw: If it takes someone 1year playing a game to master a certain ability it is skill. You might argue the ceiling is not very high but there is skill involved. It's for the sake of the analogy, there are no mechanics to master in diablo, if any they are extremely basic things like knowing what skills to get and what areas to farm. Those are not skills that transfer over, since diablo is an RPG, the only transferable thing is wealth. For example, when runescape upgraded to its new runescape 2, players were able to transfer over their old items, there's no reason they shouldn't. Much like players should be able to transfer their wealth obtained from other games. Honestly, it seems like the only argument against d2jsp is people complaining because they do not have the wealth and think that everybody who does got it from botting or whatever, give me another reason. My argument for is that it is awesome to not have wasted all the time you've spent on a game when you quit, thus forum gold is a great resource for switching games or even buying thing in real life. (In addition to what I've already posted that is) how do you buy thing in real life with FG ? and most of those FG came from botting. only ppl saying D2jsp is good are those whose been using and still using it. I've been using D2jsp when i get back to D2 after almost 10years of quitting becuz of bots and dupe.It took me only a month or so to reach 10k FG w/o botting at all but still, its one of the worst thing that could ever happen to D2 market other than bots and dupes. The only people who make FG from botting are the people who would make FG without botting, in order to make a lot of FG from botting you need a really good pickit as the bot only keeps what you tell it to. All the most valuable items will never be found by bots, and if they are than it's the people who have been there for ages and know what to keep anyways. Sure you can get rich by botting and selling a bunch of crappy 1-10fg items, but that's a major waste of time. I don't see how people botting is a reason D2JSP is bad, people will bot if there are bots regardless of whether D2JSP is in the game or not. Those people who get rich from botting and selling stuff on D2JSP will be rich in-game without D2JSP, it seems like the only reason people have against it is that they AREN'T rich and aren't willing to put the time in to get rich. D2jsp is awful, it is incredibly elitist and prices get inflated by the vast amount of people who buy FG with real money, granted people can make tons of FG without spending a dime, but they are people who usually bot (not just botting for items, running private baal bots/uber bots/grushs/etc). FG obtained by selling items from botting will be used to buy stuff in D3 at the beginning, making the economy incredibly unstable for maybe months, it won't be figured out right away without D2jsp anyways, but it only makes it worse. And for people paying real money for the items anyways, they would have to actually pay real money to get ahead if D2jsp didn't exist in D3. This huge amount of FG being obtained with really no effort at all in D2 will just ruin a big part of the multiplayer/trading experience. I wish it wasn't going to happen, but it will, because you can't stop people with enough money, so whatever. But you say this as if everybody is forced to use D2JSP, the people with lots of FG can only buy items from people willing to sell them on D2JSP, whereas anybody can buy from gold sellers. You can go ahead and do all your trading in-game and the only possible influence D2JSP could have is prices.
How many people do you see trading in actual channels in D2 anymore besides bots spamming? It's all on D2jsp because that's where the majority went, so others had no choice but to use it.
Anybody can buy from gold sellers, but they pay with real money, not FG.
This is like stockpiling thousands of dollars for the next big game, but you aren't working for that money, because it's just a bot gathering that money for you, so their is nearly an infinite amount to be spent.
People who do not bot 24/7 or who have not played D2 will be at a huge disadvantage.
You CAN do all your trading in game, but the prices that are influenced by D2jsp will be rediculous for a very long time because of all these people with tens of thousands of FG.
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On June 03 2011 12:25 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:I feel like people have some huge misconception where 99% of FG on d2jsp is obtained through botting in diablo 2. While it's likely that some people obtained a large amount of FG through botting there are plenty of legitimate accounts as well. Every one is not a hacker/botter/cheater. + Show Spoiler +Poll: Would you like to see d2jsp in Diablo 3?I would be very against d2jsp (or any website like it). (44) 66% I would not play D3 if d2jsp was rampant. (10) 15% I don't really care. (10) 15% I would love to see d2jsp in D3 (I'm already rich) (3) 4% 67 total votes Your vote: Would you like to see d2jsp in Diablo 3? (Vote): I would not play D3 if d2jsp was rampant.
(Vote): I would be very against d2jsp (or any website like it).
(Vote): I don't really care.
(Vote): I would love to see d2jsp in D3 (I'm already rich)
Have fun not playing Diablo 3 whomever said they wouldn't play if d2jsp was rampant. I don't know what you mean by rampant, but people will be trading through d2jsp. It has trading for most of the popular online games and there's no reason Diablo 3 won't be included. I can't understand why people are so against d2jsp when it probably won't even affect them at all. All the items sold for FG at the start of Diablo 3 will likely clean out the richest people on the website. Does it really matter that some guy has some awesome item that you'll probably never meet? If he hadn't bought it with forum gold he might have bought it from ebay. Does it really matter either way?
There are quite a few ppl with 100k+ fg and a large number with 50k+ fg, problem is, those guys will always get all the items they want w/o paying anything except for "fg"
Does it really matter that some guy has some awesome item that you'll probably never meet? yes it does.is there really a D2 player whom never dream of finding an elite unique item of his/her class ?
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You won't have any problems finding an elite unique item for your class in Diablo 3 if there is or isn't d2jsp. Assuming you play long enough and they aren't extremely rare (and even then if they're extremely rare you can just play longer).
Trading for one could be a slightly different story, but if fg didn't exist people would be buying those items on ebay. The source doesn't really matter as far as I'm concerned. It is going to happen and it will likely have a very minimal impact on you, and if it does have a huge impact I hope you're ready to adapt because it isn't going to go away.
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On June 03 2011 10:46 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:30 MrProb wrote:On June 03 2011 10:05 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 09:37 merlin101 wrote:On June 03 2011 06:39 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 05:43 blubshizzle wrote:On June 03 2011 05:22 d(O.o)a wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 18:08 blubshizzle wrote:
I still do not like d2jsp. It might be great as a concept but not when the concept doesn't work right on all ends.
If i would 24/7 bot d2 and sell all items. I can trade these for fg(forum gold). And buy anything in d3.
So basicly what this means is: Whenever i find a d3 item i am going to trade this with some wow gold or some shitty crap enigma from d2 or just something i want from d3.
This basicly means you can better play d2 to get easier, faster and better items at d3.
How is this a good thing?
What can be exploited will be exploited.
A concept like this will always ruin a new game economy. And stop saying we have to get used to it. I have never traded in d2jsp and always played the game my way.
Just stop using d2jsp and see how it ruins anything that is remotely trying to create an ingame economy on its own. I know d2 has a bad ingame economy. But in the very beginning we just traded what we need for something they need. I´m not saying i want back to that old weird way but just keep the system within the game.
Give me a good reason why i should use d2jsp and why it works so well for d3. Consider i don´t want to play or trade with wow, d2 or any other game. How is having stored forum gold any different from the newbs who will buy things with real life money? The only difference is d2jsp is rewarding people for playing other games, not for being willing to spend their real-world money on in-game things. (Now that's not to say there aren't people who buy FG or buy items to trade for FG, those people are rewarded too, but so are people like me with thousands of fg who never put a penny into it.) Also, Barrin, teleporting fast is no skill, anybody who has been playing the game for more than a year can do it. I'm sorry but this is not an awnser to my question. It is just another reason to not use d2jsp and hope d2jsp will not be used for d3. I disagree entirely, it's like complaining that people who played broodwar/WC3 are better at Starcraft 2 than somebody who just started playing it when it came out. You're rewarded for being a part of the community/doing things related to the gaming scene instead of seeing a new game and some random newb is the richest because he happened to get a lucky drop. The people who played BW aren't better because they sticked with the community! They're better because of they have better mechanics! You shouldn't be winning more games just because you have sticked with TL for 10 years but because of the skill you gained during these years! And btw: If it takes someone 1year playing a game to master a certain ability it is skill. You might argue the ceiling is not very high but there is skill involved. It's for the sake of the analogy, there are no mechanics to master in diablo, if any they are extremely basic things like knowing what skills to get and what areas to farm. Those are not skills that transfer over, since diablo is an RPG, the only transferable thing is wealth. For example, when runescape upgraded to its new runescape 2, players were able to transfer over their old items, there's no reason they shouldn't. Much like players should be able to transfer their wealth obtained from other games. Honestly, it seems like the only argument against d2jsp is people complaining because they do not have the wealth and think that everybody who does got it from botting or whatever, give me another reason. My argument for is that it is awesome to not have wasted all the time you've spent on a game when you quit, thus forum gold is a great resource for switching games or even buying thing in real life. (In addition to what I've already posted that is) how do you buy thing in real life with FG ? and most of those FG came from botting. only ppl saying D2jsp is good are those whose been using and still using it. I've been using D2jsp when i get back to D2 after almost 10years of quitting becuz of bots and dupe.It took me only a month or so to reach 10k FG w/o botting at all but still, its one of the worst thing that could ever happen to D2 market other than bots and dupes. The only people who make FG from botting are the people who would make FG without botting, in order to make a lot of FG from botting you need a really good pickit as the bot only keeps what you tell it to. All the most valuable items will never be found by bots, and if they are than it's the people who have been there for ages and know what to keep anyways. Sure you can get rich by botting and selling a bunch of crappy 1-10fg items, but that's a major waste of time. I don't see how people botting is a reason D2JSP is bad, people will bot if there are bots regardless of whether D2JSP is in the game or not. Those people who get rich from botting and selling stuff on D2JSP will be rich in-game without D2JSP, it seems like the only reason people have against it is that they AREN'T rich and aren't willing to put the time in to get rich.
Ok, I will tell you why this isn't true.
1. You say the rarest items will never be found with botting. This makes absolutely zero sense. It takes me maybe 2 hours max to configure my pickit. Compare this to the thousands of hours needed grinding to get these items. I have botted and found these items personally, which by itself refutes this argument.
2. The argument that d2jsp provides nothing for botters that couldn't be achieved ingame in d3. This isn't true for one huge reason. Botting in d3 is going to be MUCH harder in d3 than in d2, im sure we all agree that blizz is going to be much more vigilant in banning and preventing hacking in their new flagship game. D2jsp is incredibly important for someone attempting to hack their way to riches because it allows them to "safe" or launder their hacking profit by completely removing them from blizzard's reach. People are going to get banned for botting, alot of them. Without d2jsp these bans would completely wipe out their riches, muling on other chars is not going to cut it in d3. WITH d2jsp they can spend a bit of fg on a new cd-key and continue where they left off.This is why d2jsp is almost crucial for botters and hackers to be successful in d3.
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On June 03 2011 12:43 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:46 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 10:30 MrProb wrote:On June 03 2011 10:05 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 09:37 merlin101 wrote:On June 03 2011 06:39 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 05:43 blubshizzle wrote:On June 03 2011 05:22 d(O.o)a wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 18:08 blubshizzle wrote:
I still do not like d2jsp. It might be great as a concept but not when the concept doesn't work right on all ends.
If i would 24/7 bot d2 and sell all items. I can trade these for fg(forum gold). And buy anything in d3.
So basicly what this means is: Whenever i find a d3 item i am going to trade this with some wow gold or some shitty crap enigma from d2 or just something i want from d3.
This basicly means you can better play d2 to get easier, faster and better items at d3.
How is this a good thing?
What can be exploited will be exploited.
A concept like this will always ruin a new game economy. And stop saying we have to get used to it. I have never traded in d2jsp and always played the game my way.
Just stop using d2jsp and see how it ruins anything that is remotely trying to create an ingame economy on its own. I know d2 has a bad ingame economy. But in the very beginning we just traded what we need for something they need. I´m not saying i want back to that old weird way but just keep the system within the game.
Give me a good reason why i should use d2jsp and why it works so well for d3. Consider i don´t want to play or trade with wow, d2 or any other game. How is having stored forum gold any different from the newbs who will buy things with real life money? The only difference is d2jsp is rewarding people for playing other games, not for being willing to spend their real-world money on in-game things. (Now that's not to say there aren't people who buy FG or buy items to trade for FG, those people are rewarded too, but so are people like me with thousands of fg who never put a penny into it.) Also, Barrin, teleporting fast is no skill, anybody who has been playing the game for more than a year can do it. I'm sorry but this is not an awnser to my question. It is just another reason to not use d2jsp and hope d2jsp will not be used for d3. I disagree entirely, it's like complaining that people who played broodwar/WC3 are better at Starcraft 2 than somebody who just started playing it when it came out. You're rewarded for being a part of the community/doing things related to the gaming scene instead of seeing a new game and some random newb is the richest because he happened to get a lucky drop. The people who played BW aren't better because they sticked with the community! They're better because of they have better mechanics! You shouldn't be winning more games just because you have sticked with TL for 10 years but because of the skill you gained during these years! And btw: If it takes someone 1year playing a game to master a certain ability it is skill. You might argue the ceiling is not very high but there is skill involved. It's for the sake of the analogy, there are no mechanics to master in diablo, if any they are extremely basic things like knowing what skills to get and what areas to farm. Those are not skills that transfer over, since diablo is an RPG, the only transferable thing is wealth. For example, when runescape upgraded to its new runescape 2, players were able to transfer over their old items, there's no reason they shouldn't. Much like players should be able to transfer their wealth obtained from other games. Honestly, it seems like the only argument against d2jsp is people complaining because they do not have the wealth and think that everybody who does got it from botting or whatever, give me another reason. My argument for is that it is awesome to not have wasted all the time you've spent on a game when you quit, thus forum gold is a great resource for switching games or even buying thing in real life. (In addition to what I've already posted that is) how do you buy thing in real life with FG ? and most of those FG came from botting. only ppl saying D2jsp is good are those whose been using and still using it. I've been using D2jsp when i get back to D2 after almost 10years of quitting becuz of bots and dupe.It took me only a month or so to reach 10k FG w/o botting at all but still, its one of the worst thing that could ever happen to D2 market other than bots and dupes. The only people who make FG from botting are the people who would make FG without botting, in order to make a lot of FG from botting you need a really good pickit as the bot only keeps what you tell it to. All the most valuable items will never be found by bots, and if they are than it's the people who have been there for ages and know what to keep anyways. Sure you can get rich by botting and selling a bunch of crappy 1-10fg items, but that's a major waste of time. I don't see how people botting is a reason D2JSP is bad, people will bot if there are bots regardless of whether D2JSP is in the game or not. Those people who get rich from botting and selling stuff on D2JSP will be rich in-game without D2JSP, it seems like the only reason people have against it is that they AREN'T rich and aren't willing to put the time in to get rich. Ok, I will tell you why this isn't true. 1. You say the rarest items will never be found with botting. This makes absolutely zero sense. It takes me maybe 2 hours max to configure my pickit. Compare this to the thousands of hours needed grinding to get these items. I have botted and found these items personally, which by itself refutes this argument. 2. The argument that d2jsp provides nothing for botters that couldn't be achieved ingame in d3. This isn't true for one huge reason. Botting in d3 is going to be MUCH harder in d3 than in d2, im sure we all agree that blizz is going to be much more vigilant in banning and preventing hacking in their new flagship game. D2jsp is incredibly important for someone attempting to hack their way to riches because it allows them to "safe" or launder their hacking profit by completely removing them from blizzard's reach. People are going to get banned for botting, alot of them. Without d2jsp these bans would completely wipe out their riches, muling on other chars is not going to cut it in d3. This is why d2jsp is great for botters and hackers.
Man, dont waste your time.Im telling you hes helpless.
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To be fair, the D2JSP discussion is extremely relevant to Diablo 3 however, I have taken this to PM.
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Have you read a single thing I've posted? I never once said blizzard won't take action against them, all I've said is it won't ruin the game for you if you don't use it.
Not to mention if you read my last post I already took this matter to PM as you should've as well, at the request of so many people. So, stop posting here than.
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On June 04 2011 08:51 d(O.o)a wrote:
Have you read a single thing I've posted? I never once said blizzard won't take action against them, all I've said is it won't ruin the game for you if you don't use it.
Not to mention if you read my last post I already took this matter to PM as you should've as well, at the request of so many people. So, stop posting here than.
You are delusional.
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I still don't get it why people thinks that a third party website could be a good thing for d3.
Blizzard won't allow it to happend, don't worry. D2jsp won't be a part of d3.
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lol blizzard cant do shit to stop it, people will always use jsp or any other site because its easier to trade that way
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