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On June 03 2011 05:22 d(O.o)a wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 18:08 blubshizzle wrote:
I still do not like d2jsp. It might be great as a concept but not when the concept doesn't work right on all ends.
If i would 24/7 bot d2 and sell all items. I can trade these for fg(forum gold). And buy anything in d3.
So basicly what this means is: Whenever i find a d3 item i am going to trade this with some wow gold or some shitty crap enigma from d2 or just something i want from d3.
This basicly means you can better play d2 to get easier, faster and better items at d3.
How is this a good thing?
What can be exploited will be exploited.
A concept like this will always ruin a new game economy. And stop saying we have to get used to it. I have never traded in d2jsp and always played the game my way.
Just stop using d2jsp and see how it ruins anything that is remotely trying to create an ingame economy on its own. I know d2 has a bad ingame economy. But in the very beginning we just traded what we need for something they need. I´m not saying i want back to that old weird way but just keep the system within the game.
Give me a good reason why i should use d2jsp and why it works so well for d3. Consider i don´t want to play or trade with wow, d2 or any other game. How is having stored forum gold any different from the newbs who will buy things with real life money? The only difference is d2jsp is rewarding people for playing other games, not for being willing to spend their real-world money on in-game things. (Now that's not to say there aren't people who buy FG or buy items to trade for FG, those people are rewarded too, but so are people like me with thousands of fg who never put a penny into it.) Also, Barrin, teleporting fast is no skill, anybody who has been playing the game for more than a year can do it.
I'm sorry but this is not an awnser to my question. It is just another reason to not use d2jsp and hope d2jsp will not be used for d3.
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D2jsp will be used for D3.... why the hell wouldn't it?
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On June 03 2011 03:43 Sm3agol wrote:
I'll bring in my earlier statement.
Competitive cup stacking is a skill, but that hardly means anyone is interested in how well you do it. I'm sorry but this is just a horrible argument. Just because something has a small fanbase doesn't mean it isn't competitive. D2 PvP is competitive, skill required and how you get better at it is irrelevant.
Being "pro" is only 2000 hours away.
That's how everything works. Whether it's grinding for gear, or grinding for skill/knowledge.
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On June 01 2011 12:59 Manifesto7 wrote:
Yeah, sticking to D3 sounds like a good idea. Make a new thread for D2 stuff please.
This Please.
Everytime I see this bumped I think maybe someone ahs found somethnig new, or has somethnig interesting to say about some feature or whatever... Instead I'm reading about D2 pvp.
I don't mean to be a jerk, it's just a tad annoying... there is also a D2 thread as well.
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Good lord, the denial is amazing.
Hasn't history taught us that gamers can turn ANYTHING into an intense competition? People still battle each other over speed run times in Super Mario Bros for crying out loud.
As for D3 PvP, it'll be a lot of fun. They're putting more effort into it this time, so it should be a lot more accessible to the general populace, rather than something that was just tacked on at the last second.
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On June 03 2011 05:45 ibreakurface wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 03:43 Sm3agol wrote:
I'll bring in my earlier statement.
Competitive cup stacking is a skill, but that hardly means anyone is interested in how well you do it. I'm sorry but this is just a horrible argument. Just because something has a small fanbase doesn't mean it isn't competitive. D2 PvP is competitive, skill required and how you get better at it is irrelevant. That's how everything works. Whether it's grinding for gear, or grinding for skill/knowledge.
Grinding for gear doesn't make you "pro" in the same sense that being pro = having skill. Give perfect characters to a pro and an amateur, the pro will always win if the battle is based off of skill. If it is based off of your gear, then it doesn't matter and either can win. A pro could spend his time doing something else, have somebody grind up a character for him to use, then use it and win with it. The amount you have to grind doesn't showcase your skill, and if the better geared character always wins, then skill gets replaced with many hours of grinding.
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On June 03 2011 05:43 blubshizzle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 05:22 d(O.o)a wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 18:08 blubshizzle wrote:
I still do not like d2jsp. It might be great as a concept but not when the concept doesn't work right on all ends.
If i would 24/7 bot d2 and sell all items. I can trade these for fg(forum gold). And buy anything in d3.
So basicly what this means is: Whenever i find a d3 item i am going to trade this with some wow gold or some shitty crap enigma from d2 or just something i want from d3.
This basicly means you can better play d2 to get easier, faster and better items at d3.
How is this a good thing?
What can be exploited will be exploited.
A concept like this will always ruin a new game economy. And stop saying we have to get used to it. I have never traded in d2jsp and always played the game my way.
Just stop using d2jsp and see how it ruins anything that is remotely trying to create an ingame economy on its own. I know d2 has a bad ingame economy. But in the very beginning we just traded what we need for something they need. I´m not saying i want back to that old weird way but just keep the system within the game.
Give me a good reason why i should use d2jsp and why it works so well for d3. Consider i don´t want to play or trade with wow, d2 or any other game. How is having stored forum gold any different from the newbs who will buy things with real life money? The only difference is d2jsp is rewarding people for playing other games, not for being willing to spend their real-world money on in-game things. (Now that's not to say there aren't people who buy FG or buy items to trade for FG, those people are rewarded too, but so are people like me with thousands of fg who never put a penny into it.) Also, Barrin, teleporting fast is no skill, anybody who has been playing the game for more than a year can do it. I'm sorry but this is not an awnser to my question. It is just another reason to not use d2jsp and hope d2jsp will not be used for d3.
I disagree entirely, it's like complaining that people who played broodwar/WC3 are better at Starcraft 2 than somebody who just started playing it when it came out. You're rewarded for being a part of the community/doing things related to the gaming scene instead of seeing a new game and some random newb is the richest because he happened to get a lucky drop.
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What exactly is wrong with some "random newb" getting a good drop and being rich? This kind of elitism sickens me, just because this person didnt spend a lot of their life playing D2, they arent allowed to be rich in D3?
New game, clean slate.
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On June 03 2011 09:13 innocence wrote:
What exactly is wrong with some "random newb" getting a good drop and being rich? This kind of elitism sickens me, just because this person didnt spend a lot of their life playing D2, they arent allowed to be rich in D3?
New game, clean slate.
That's not what I'm saying, but fact of the matter is even if some random person finds something amazing at the beginning of the game, it'll be worth nothing as there's no economy, otherwise he could sell it on JSP for several thousand forum gold and be able to buy a full character's gear a few months later.
D2JSP is a GOOD thing for the economy of diablo 3 (at least in my opinion) because of the fact that even if it wasn't there, gold sites would still be hooking people up without them having to find something themself. (I'd much rather have people trading pixels for pixels than money for pixels)
As for the comment, it was more in reference to the analogy in my post.
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AFter returning some to D2 and seeing how utterly ruined it is by bots and dupes(EVERYONE has Enigma above level 85, 2months after ladder reset, on HC...) and godly geared bots can pretty much boost u from 1 - 95 in automated games. I am really hoping they have some plan to stop this for D3, since the messures they implemented to D2 are laughable and screws legit players over.
If you recreate too manes games in X amount of time(ie meph run legit or bot) you get like a 1 - 12 hour ban from the server. If you login and out with several chars into a mule games too fast for example, same thing. This lost me half my runes yesterday and just made me quit. Everyone buys/trades dupes, gets bot boosted and bots for gear. There´s just no way to keep up playing legit, and even if i get some sick runeword or item going, it wont matter since the economy is so flooded with good items due to dupes and bots that its worth pretty much nothing compared to what it was the 1-2 years i played around release, this two months into a new ladder reset, on HC where people usually have less items. Not to mention all the goddamn spam bots joining games every 30 sec...
D3 better have some good anticheating messures, they have never been able to stop bots in D2 or WoW so im quite worried. It doesnt affect wow all that much but it completely ruins a game like Diablo and certainly has ruined whatever is left of D2.
Just to show how bad its gotten, the rarest item in the game, Zod rune costs about 1 euro on sites that sell gear. This rune has a 1 in 1 000 000 chance to drop IF a rune actually drops, from a chest. Or you can cube it from runes that has like a 12 in 1 mil chance to drop. Rarest thing ingame, 1 euro, 2 months after ladder reset... weird so many people are running around with it?-.-
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On June 03 2011 06:39 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 05:43 blubshizzle wrote:On June 03 2011 05:22 d(O.o)a wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 18:08 blubshizzle wrote:
I still do not like d2jsp. It might be great as a concept but not when the concept doesn't work right on all ends.
If i would 24/7 bot d2 and sell all items. I can trade these for fg(forum gold). And buy anything in d3.
So basicly what this means is: Whenever i find a d3 item i am going to trade this with some wow gold or some shitty crap enigma from d2 or just something i want from d3.
This basicly means you can better play d2 to get easier, faster and better items at d3.
How is this a good thing?
What can be exploited will be exploited.
A concept like this will always ruin a new game economy. And stop saying we have to get used to it. I have never traded in d2jsp and always played the game my way.
Just stop using d2jsp and see how it ruins anything that is remotely trying to create an ingame economy on its own. I know d2 has a bad ingame economy. But in the very beginning we just traded what we need for something they need. I´m not saying i want back to that old weird way but just keep the system within the game.
Give me a good reason why i should use d2jsp and why it works so well for d3. Consider i don´t want to play or trade with wow, d2 or any other game. How is having stored forum gold any different from the newbs who will buy things with real life money? The only difference is d2jsp is rewarding people for playing other games, not for being willing to spend their real-world money on in-game things. (Now that's not to say there aren't people who buy FG or buy items to trade for FG, those people are rewarded too, but so are people like me with thousands of fg who never put a penny into it.) Also, Barrin, teleporting fast is no skill, anybody who has been playing the game for more than a year can do it. I'm sorry but this is not an awnser to my question. It is just another reason to not use d2jsp and hope d2jsp will not be used for d3. I disagree entirely, it's like complaining that people who played broodwar/WC3 are better at Starcraft 2 than somebody who just started playing it when it came out. You're rewarded for being a part of the community/doing things related to the gaming scene instead of seeing a new game and some random newb is the richest because he happened to get a lucky drop.
The people who played BW aren't better because they sticked with the community! They're better because of they have better mechanics! You shouldn't be winning more games just because you have sticked with TL for 10 years but because of the skill you gained during these years!
And btw: If it takes someone 1year playing a game to master a certain ability it is skill. You might argue the ceiling is not very high but there is skill involved.
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I've asked before, others have asked before, Manifesto has dropped by and requested it as well.
Stick to D3 discussion.
I'm really sick of seeing this thread bumped, coming in here to check for new infos and seeing Wall-o-Text arguments between a handful of die-hard D2 enthusiasts and forum dwellers arguing for the sake of arguing. If you find yourself "forum dueling" against one or two other people to win some silly internet argument then please take it to PMs.
Not trying to be a dick here but seriously... there IS another D2 thread created recently and specifically for your discussions.
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On June 03 2011 09:44 Ximeng wrote:
I've asked before, others have asked before, Manifesto has dropped by and requested it as well.
Stick to D3 discussion.
I'm really sick of seeing this thread bumped, coming in here to check for new infos and seeing Wall-o-Text arguments between a handful of die-hard D2 enthusiasts and forum dwellers arguing for the sake of arguing. If you find yourself "forum dueling" against one or two other people to win some silly internet argument then please take it to PMs.
Not trying to be a dick here but seriously... there IS another D2 thread created recently and specifically for your discussions.
You know there wont be "new D3 news" everyday...
besides anything new from Blizzard should be on Blizzard site first
and again, i still think some of these arguments could be nice contributions for D3 game play or w/e
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On June 03 2011 09:37 merlin101 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 06:39 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 05:43 blubshizzle wrote:On June 03 2011 05:22 d(O.o)a wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 18:08 blubshizzle wrote:
I still do not like d2jsp. It might be great as a concept but not when the concept doesn't work right on all ends.
If i would 24/7 bot d2 and sell all items. I can trade these for fg(forum gold). And buy anything in d3.
So basicly what this means is: Whenever i find a d3 item i am going to trade this with some wow gold or some shitty crap enigma from d2 or just something i want from d3.
This basicly means you can better play d2 to get easier, faster and better items at d3.
How is this a good thing?
What can be exploited will be exploited.
A concept like this will always ruin a new game economy. And stop saying we have to get used to it. I have never traded in d2jsp and always played the game my way.
Just stop using d2jsp and see how it ruins anything that is remotely trying to create an ingame economy on its own. I know d2 has a bad ingame economy. But in the very beginning we just traded what we need for something they need. I´m not saying i want back to that old weird way but just keep the system within the game.
Give me a good reason why i should use d2jsp and why it works so well for d3. Consider i don´t want to play or trade with wow, d2 or any other game. How is having stored forum gold any different from the newbs who will buy things with real life money? The only difference is d2jsp is rewarding people for playing other games, not for being willing to spend their real-world money on in-game things. (Now that's not to say there aren't people who buy FG or buy items to trade for FG, those people are rewarded too, but so are people like me with thousands of fg who never put a penny into it.) Also, Barrin, teleporting fast is no skill, anybody who has been playing the game for more than a year can do it. I'm sorry but this is not an awnser to my question. It is just another reason to not use d2jsp and hope d2jsp will not be used for d3. I disagree entirely, it's like complaining that people who played broodwar/WC3 are better at Starcraft 2 than somebody who just started playing it when it came out. You're rewarded for being a part of the community/doing things related to the gaming scene instead of seeing a new game and some random newb is the richest because he happened to get a lucky drop. The people who played BW aren't better because they sticked with the community! They're better because of they have better mechanics! You shouldn't be winning more games just because you have sticked with TL for 10 years but because of the skill you gained during these years! And btw: If it takes someone 1year playing a game to master a certain ability it is skill. You might argue the ceiling is not very high but there is skill involved.
It's for the sake of the analogy, there are no mechanics to master in diablo, if any they are extremely basic things like knowing what skills to get and what areas to farm. Those are not skills that transfer over, since diablo is an RPG, the only transferable thing is wealth.
For example, when runescape upgraded to its new runescape 2, players were able to transfer over their old items, there's no reason they shouldn't. Much like players should be able to transfer their wealth obtained from other games. Honestly, it seems like the only argument against d2jsp is people complaining because they do not have the wealth and think that everybody who does got it from botting or whatever, give me another reason.
My argument for is that it is awesome to not have wasted all the time you've spent on a game when you quit, thus forum gold is a great resource for switching games or even buying thing in real life. (In addition to what I've already posted that is)
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On June 03 2011 03:43 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 03:28 Barrin wrote:On June 02 2011 21:16 Sm3agol wrote:+ Show Spoiler +That said, I have honed some certain skills that aren't really too hard to come by if you actually play the game (it's people that actually play the game that are hard to come by). The big thing here is knowing how to level fast (because higher level people become richer faster). Leveling fast obviously takes the ability to just be able to move from monster to monster quickly and efficiently (like killing shamans first in act1). It requires knowing which skills to use (and when) and what items to go for for your build. It requires proper and quick inventory maintenance which can eventually shave off hours of wasted play time. The trickiest and probably least known thing about leveling fast (legitly) is knowing which games to join and when to leave your current game, which is a bit of a guessing game (in some senses akin to playing poker) - this is tied in to rushing yourself through the acts to do the baal runs.
I do not claim to have any difficult talents in the leveling department (other than maybe knowing when to leave current game and knowing how to find a better one).
So great, we're high level now. We happen to be a sorceress with very crappy mediocre gear, and the best thing for us to do is moat trick farm Mephisto until we get our shako/occy/travs/nagels/goldwrap/chancies/etc. First off you can have some crappy mediocre gear and still teleport through most of hell just fine WITHOUT A MAPHACK if you have the right mods on your crappy gear. You really need these mods and pretty much only these mods: faster cast rate, faster hit recovery, life, resists. In pretty much that order too (most people overlook faster hit recovery, a fatal mistake). There's different degrees of teleporting: you can teleport all the way to the corner of your screen which is really risky and might make you die, or you can play it safe and only teleport to just within the edge of your light radius. With experience you will know when you can be risky (edge of screen blind teleporting) and when you can't be.
And then there's the skill of knowing how to find the entrance to the next dungeon without a maphack. Once you have teleported to Catacombs Level 4, or Durance of Hate Level 3, or Throne of Destruction hundreds of times you start to subconsciously gravitate towards the right area a lot of the time. Personally, I bet I would win some sort of legit mephisto teleporting triple elimination tournament against 31 other random players 9 times out of 10.
Great. We've farmed Mephisto for a while, and now we have some decent items for trade. There used to be a time when there was no such thing as currency (a time where I thrived). If you really knew what you were doing, you would become extremely intimate with the market value of every item. "Buy low, sell high". In a lot of other games this is almost a waste of time, but not so in D2 (even current day). There are a lot of dumb people out there who have good items and do not know what they're worth, so they're willing to let them go at a fraction of what they're worth. There is a certain skill in being able to find these people, and yet another skill to be able to convince them to trade with you while also making them think they're getting a good deal. I'm pretty good at this stuff (used to be a lot better), but my brother is like the fucking master at it. It was far from uncommon that he would take a single item worth very little and a few hours later have an item worth 20 or more times that item AND another two of the items (and then repeat with higher value items). Even in these d2jsp days he has taken an item worth ~40fg and traded it for an item worth 400+fg. Several if not dozens of times.
In the past four ladder resets I have reached the top 10 on the overall ladder by the 20-30 hour mark (and thats with taking a good night's sleep and some time to prepare food etc AFTER the reset). And then only to be overtaken by legions of sorceress/hammerdin bots because people are beginning to set them up.
Anyways, I won't really have the much of the "spare time" half of the equation when D3 hits. Oh well. I'm not sure what you really want from me. You think I'm going to give you all of my secrets, or you never really tried to play the game the way it was supposed to be played? You can believe what you want. And please, for the love of all things good, don't make posts like this. I'm almost saddened. The game is NOT difficult by any stretch of the imagination, and deluding yourself that you have top 100 sorc teleporting skill is about the saddest thing I've ever read. That comes from mindlessly playing the same thing about 5000 times, not from skill. Anyone can do that if they have 12 hours a day to spend doing Baal runs. I do not recall claiming that Diablo 2 was difficult. All I said was that it's not necessarily easy. If you'd actually read what was happening there, someone asked me what types of skills that can help you in Diablo 2, and I explained what some of those skills are. A question was asked, and I answered the question. And you flame me for that? In fact I literally stated in the post that you quoted that I do not think these skills are hard to come by and that there just aren't that many people that actually play the game (because bots/hacks/dupes/cheats/imports essentially ruin the game for people who actually like to play it). Top 100 sorc teleporting skill by no means makes you some kind of baller gamer. It's not a skill? Lol wtf? What's your definition of a skill? Here's Googles: skill
1. The ability to do something well.................... Yeah you're just trolling. I'll bring in my earlier statement. Competitive cup stacking is a skill, but that hardly means anyone is interested in how well you do it. Your post seemed really grandiose and braggy...I don't see how anyone could take it otherwise, what with all the + Show Spoiler +Personally, I bet I would win some sort of legit mephisto teleporting triple elimination tournament against 31 other random players 9 times out of 10. and + Show Spoiler +In the past four ladder resets I have reached the top 10 on the overall ladder by the 20-30 hour mark (and thats with taking a good night's sleep and some time to prepare food etc AFTER the reset) . And Diablo 2 "skill" is definitely not something you should ever be bragging about on a SC forum...or ever, basically. It's not a hard game, the only requirement to be good at it is to have thousands of hours of free time. It's not like Quake or SC or similar games where mindless playing won't get you anywhere. As long as you can follow a build chart, you are good to go. Being "pro" is only 2000 hours away.
erm.... no matter what it is, even cup stacking, im sure if someone whos really good at it, lets say world champion, is showing his cup stacking skill.Im sure ppl whos watching would be impressed at least a slightest bit at how fast a human can do that.
Eatting competition or w/e it doesnt matter cuz w/e you can do extraordinary well it will always be impressive more or less.
Other than that tell me, what doesnt require time to be good at ? either playing video games, chess, being a driver, darts or w/e.
you seems to have quite a weird logical thinking here.
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On June 03 2011 05:43 blubshizzle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 05:22 d(O.o)a wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 18:08 blubshizzle wrote:
I still do not like d2jsp. It might be great as a concept but not when the concept doesn't work right on all ends.
If i would 24/7 bot d2 and sell all items. I can trade these for fg(forum gold). And buy anything in d3.
So basicly what this means is: Whenever i find a d3 item i am going to trade this with some wow gold or some shitty crap enigma from d2 or just something i want from d3.
This basicly means you can better play d2 to get easier, faster and better items at d3.
How is this a good thing?
What can be exploited will be exploited.
A concept like this will always ruin a new game economy. And stop saying we have to get used to it. I have never traded in d2jsp and always played the game my way.
Just stop using d2jsp and see how it ruins anything that is remotely trying to create an ingame economy on its own. I know d2 has a bad ingame economy. But in the very beginning we just traded what we need for something they need. I´m not saying i want back to that old weird way but just keep the system within the game.
Give me a good reason why i should use d2jsp and why it works so well for d3. Consider i don´t want to play or trade with wow, d2 or any other game. How is having stored forum gold any different from the newbs who will buy things with real life money? The only difference is d2jsp is rewarding people for playing other games, not for being willing to spend their real-world money on in-game things. (Now that's not to say there aren't people who buy FG or buy items to trade for FG, those people are rewarded too, but so are people like me with thousands of fg who never put a penny into it.) Also, Barrin, teleporting fast is no skill, anybody who has been playing the game for more than a year can do it. I'm sorry but this is not an awnser to my question. It is just another reason to not use d2jsp and hope d2jsp will not be used for d3.
no one is forcing you to use d2jsp. people are gonna use d2jsp fg whether you like it or not. d2jsp makes up a huge chunk of the diablo community
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On June 03 2011 10:05 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 09:37 merlin101 wrote:On June 03 2011 06:39 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 05:43 blubshizzle wrote:On June 03 2011 05:22 d(O.o)a wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 18:08 blubshizzle wrote:
I still do not like d2jsp. It might be great as a concept but not when the concept doesn't work right on all ends.
If i would 24/7 bot d2 and sell all items. I can trade these for fg(forum gold). And buy anything in d3.
So basicly what this means is: Whenever i find a d3 item i am going to trade this with some wow gold or some shitty crap enigma from d2 or just something i want from d3.
This basicly means you can better play d2 to get easier, faster and better items at d3.
How is this a good thing?
What can be exploited will be exploited.
A concept like this will always ruin a new game economy. And stop saying we have to get used to it. I have never traded in d2jsp and always played the game my way.
Just stop using d2jsp and see how it ruins anything that is remotely trying to create an ingame economy on its own. I know d2 has a bad ingame economy. But in the very beginning we just traded what we need for something they need. I´m not saying i want back to that old weird way but just keep the system within the game.
Give me a good reason why i should use d2jsp and why it works so well for d3. Consider i don´t want to play or trade with wow, d2 or any other game. How is having stored forum gold any different from the newbs who will buy things with real life money? The only difference is d2jsp is rewarding people for playing other games, not for being willing to spend their real-world money on in-game things. (Now that's not to say there aren't people who buy FG or buy items to trade for FG, those people are rewarded too, but so are people like me with thousands of fg who never put a penny into it.) Also, Barrin, teleporting fast is no skill, anybody who has been playing the game for more than a year can do it. I'm sorry but this is not an awnser to my question. It is just another reason to not use d2jsp and hope d2jsp will not be used for d3. I disagree entirely, it's like complaining that people who played broodwar/WC3 are better at Starcraft 2 than somebody who just started playing it when it came out. You're rewarded for being a part of the community/doing things related to the gaming scene instead of seeing a new game and some random newb is the richest because he happened to get a lucky drop. The people who played BW aren't better because they sticked with the community! They're better because of they have better mechanics! You shouldn't be winning more games just because you have sticked with TL for 10 years but because of the skill you gained during these years! And btw: If it takes someone 1year playing a game to master a certain ability it is skill. You might argue the ceiling is not very high but there is skill involved. It's for the sake of the analogy, there are no mechanics to master in diablo, if any they are extremely basic things like knowing what skills to get and what areas to farm. Those are not skills that transfer over, since diablo is an RPG, the only transferable thing is wealth. For example, when runescape upgraded to its new runescape 2, players were able to transfer over their old items, there's no reason they shouldn't. Much like players should be able to transfer their wealth obtained from other games. Honestly, it seems like the only argument against d2jsp is people complaining because they do not have the wealth and think that everybody who does got it from botting or whatever, give me another reason. My argument for is that it is awesome to not have wasted all the time you've spent on a game when you quit, thus forum gold is a great resource for switching games or even buying thing in real life. (In addition to what I've already posted that is)
how do you buy thing in real life with FG ?
and most of those FG came from botting.
only ppl saying D2jsp is good are those whose been using and still using it.
I've been using D2jsp when i get back to D2 after almost 10years of quitting becuz of bots and dupe.It took me only a month or so to reach 10k FG w/o botting at all but still, its one of the worst thing that could ever happen to D2 market other than bots and dupes.
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On June 03 2011 10:30 MrProb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:05 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 09:37 merlin101 wrote:On June 03 2011 06:39 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 03 2011 05:43 blubshizzle wrote:On June 03 2011 05:22 d(O.o)a wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2011 18:08 blubshizzle wrote:
I still do not like d2jsp. It might be great as a concept but not when the concept doesn't work right on all ends.
If i would 24/7 bot d2 and sell all items. I can trade these for fg(forum gold). And buy anything in d3.
So basicly what this means is: Whenever i find a d3 item i am going to trade this with some wow gold or some shitty crap enigma from d2 or just something i want from d3.
This basicly means you can better play d2 to get easier, faster and better items at d3.
How is this a good thing?
What can be exploited will be exploited.
A concept like this will always ruin a new game economy. And stop saying we have to get used to it. I have never traded in d2jsp and always played the game my way.
Just stop using d2jsp and see how it ruins anything that is remotely trying to create an ingame economy on its own. I know d2 has a bad ingame economy. But in the very beginning we just traded what we need for something they need. I´m not saying i want back to that old weird way but just keep the system within the game.
Give me a good reason why i should use d2jsp and why it works so well for d3. Consider i don´t want to play or trade with wow, d2 or any other game. How is having stored forum gold any different from the newbs who will buy things with real life money? The only difference is d2jsp is rewarding people for playing other games, not for being willing to spend their real-world money on in-game things. (Now that's not to say there aren't people who buy FG or buy items to trade for FG, those people are rewarded too, but so are people like me with thousands of fg who never put a penny into it.) Also, Barrin, teleporting fast is no skill, anybody who has been playing the game for more than a year can do it. I'm sorry but this is not an awnser to my question. It is just another reason to not use d2jsp and hope d2jsp will not be used for d3. I disagree entirely, it's like complaining that people who played broodwar/WC3 are better at Starcraft 2 than somebody who just started playing it when it came out. You're rewarded for being a part of the community/doing things related to the gaming scene instead of seeing a new game and some random newb is the richest because he happened to get a lucky drop. The people who played BW aren't better because they sticked with the community! They're better because of they have better mechanics! You shouldn't be winning more games just because you have sticked with TL for 10 years but because of the skill you gained during these years! And btw: If it takes someone 1year playing a game to master a certain ability it is skill. You might argue the ceiling is not very high but there is skill involved. It's for the sake of the analogy, there are no mechanics to master in diablo, if any they are extremely basic things like knowing what skills to get and what areas to farm. Those are not skills that transfer over, since diablo is an RPG, the only transferable thing is wealth. For example, when runescape upgraded to its new runescape 2, players were able to transfer over their old items, there's no reason they shouldn't. Much like players should be able to transfer their wealth obtained from other games. Honestly, it seems like the only argument against d2jsp is people complaining because they do not have the wealth and think that everybody who does got it from botting or whatever, give me another reason. My argument for is that it is awesome to not have wasted all the time you've spent on a game when you quit, thus forum gold is a great resource for switching games or even buying thing in real life. (In addition to what I've already posted that is) how do you buy thing in real life with FG ? and most of those FG came from botting. only ppl saying D2jsp is good are those whose been using and still using it. I've been using D2jsp when i get back to D2 after almost 10years of quitting becuz of bots and dupe.It took me only a month or so to reach 10k FG w/o botting at all but still, its one of the worst thing that could ever happen to D2 market other than bots and dupes.
The only people who make FG from botting are the people who would make FG without botting, in order to make a lot of FG from botting you need a really good pickit as the bot only keeps what you tell it to. All the most valuable items will never be found by bots, and if they are than it's the people who have been there for ages and know what to keep anyways.
Sure you can get rich by botting and selling a bunch of crappy 1-10fg items, but that's a major waste of time.
I don't see how people botting is a reason D2JSP is bad, people will bot if there are bots regardless of whether D2JSP is in the game or not. Those people who get rich from botting and selling stuff on D2JSP will be rich in-game without D2JSP, it seems like the only reason people have against it is that they AREN'T rich and aren't willing to put the time in to get rich.
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d(O.o)a your arguments are extremely invalid.
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Than refute with evidence and stating your arguments instead of simply claiming I'm wrong, otherwise stop posting.
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