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On June 05 2011 00:10 crabz wrote: lol blizzard cant do shit to stop it, people will always use jsp or any other site because its easier to trade that way
It's easier to trade that way, if you're playing Diablo 2.
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The reason it happened so widely in d2 is because d2 trade system was horrible. D3 will have that spot cleaned and since its their new release, any 3rd party trading systems wont appear to a wider audience for a while.
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noob question: has blizzard given any hints about the release date of the beta?
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On June 05 2011 00:56 tenacity wrote: noob question: has blizzard given any hints about the release date of the beta?
Beta is going to start between June and September.
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The reason JSP exists and has thrived is because of how shitty the D2 trading system was setup...Diablo 3 will most likely fix that...and therefore you won't need to use a website to trade your items.
The main reason Forum Gold > Anything was because 'Gold' In diablo 2 didn't mean jack shit. You could literally max out on gold with a GF barb in 3-4 runs. Their was 0 currency, so FG became the official currency.
Here is how you make JSP irrelevant...MAKE GOLD HAVE VALUE. Have monsters drop very little gold, have gold mean something through-out the entire game through different things.
Also, have an account-based stash. If they made a "stash" or warehouse, that any of your characters could access, and have it show the same items for all of them. So instead of having to create 20 mules to hold all your items, just have a gigantic stash that you can access and deposit on any of your characters.
In-Game Auction House...this would literally put an end to JSP lol. Not only would it be much more efficient, but it would be much easier for players to use. Instead of having to deal with scammers/having to constantly repost/bump your item for hours or even days, and all the other annoyances of JSP, this way you just post it, and forget it.
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On June 05 2011 01:09 ScDeluX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 00:56 tenacity wrote: noob question: has blizzard given any hints about the release date of the beta? Beta is going to start between June and September. where do i need to register to participate in beta ?
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On June 05 2011 01:39 Barrin wrote:That's debatable. But me saying it was good would be like a rich person on d2jsp saying d2jsp is good.
I think the main thing is that Diablo trading system was game based, meaning you had to make games advertising what you have to trade/looking for.
For all those who remember it was endless hours joining trading post/trades/trade/trading channels.
It was fun to a certain extend and I got rich with that too but it was soaking way too much time. I'd rather focus 5% of my time trading than 99%.
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On June 05 2011 01:57 crabz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 01:09 ScDeluX wrote:On June 05 2011 00:56 tenacity wrote: noob question: has blizzard given any hints about the release date of the beta? Beta is going to start between June and September. where do i need to register to participate in beta ?
In your Battle net profile. (www.battle.net)
I don't think many ppl will get in tho. Beta will be smaller and I'd guess only blizzcon ppl/some lucky ass will get in.
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On June 05 2011 02:00 ScDeluX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 01:57 crabz wrote:On June 05 2011 01:09 ScDeluX wrote:On June 05 2011 00:56 tenacity wrote: noob question: has blizzard given any hints about the release date of the beta? Beta is going to start between June and September. where do i need to register to participate in beta ? In your Battle net profile. (www.battle.net) I don't think many ppl will get in tho. Beta will be smaller and I'd guess only blizzcon ppl/some lucky ass will get in.
And friends of the employees -________- sadly.
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On June 05 2011 01:59 ScDeluX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 01:39 Barrin wrote:On June 05 2011 00:34 gosublade wrote: d2 trade system was horrible That's debatable. But me saying it was good would be like a rich person on d2jsp saying d2jsp is good. I think the main thing is that Diablo trading system was game based, meaning you had to make games advertising what you have to trade/looking for. For all those who remember it was endless hours joining trading post/trades/trade/trading channels. It was fun to a certain extend and I got rich with that too but it was soaking way too much time. I'd rather focus 5% of my time trading than 99%.
this was kinda true.
but then again, Diablo2 was an MMORPG that paved the way for soooo many MMORPG out there, its like a game that really gave Blizzard what needs to be polished in the future.Like what we've seen in WoW, yea WoW is kind of different from Diablo BUT im sure D2 really gave Blizzard some ideas what to do to prevent certain problems to happen to WoW and rare, epic and legendary items are basically just like normal, exceptional and elite uniques in D2.
Im pretty sure D3 will be polished much much more than D2 cuz D2 is still running and all the problems are there for them to be seen since forever. Bots, Dupes etc.
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This is nitpicking, but Diablo games are not MMO's. D2 was not an MMO.
MMO's are games with incredibly large persistent worlds where hundreds, sometimes thousands of players interact. D2 you could have 8 players tops in a game and it was basically an equivalent of a WoW instance.
Diablo games are Action-RPGs, and the best ones at that. That is the sub-genre Diablo pioneered, not MMOs.
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Its not nitpicking, you are totally correct, its an action-rpg.
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In WoW, there's a persistent world where everybody can roam around, but almost all the PvE and PvP content involves small group play where 5, 10, 25, 4, or 6 players get together. The persistent world is the better place to trade that Diablo 2 doesn't have while all the content is in those instances.
Diablo 3 will hopefully have some trading bazaar or marketplace of some sort to go along with the auction house where larger groups of people can trade their booty.
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Blizz could always just make the majority of good items soulbound so they cant be traded enless you sell your account.
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On June 05 2011 06:16 Trajan98 wrote: Blizz could always just make the majority of good items soulbound so they cant be traded enless you sell your account.
yea that would fix D2jsp problem pretty well but still, other than MFing, trading was a big element in D2 as well.
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Guys, can we stick to talking about D3 instead of all these friggin bumps about D2 related issues...
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On June 05 2011 06:30 absalom86 wrote: Guys, can we stick to talking about D3 instead of all these friggin bumps about D2 related issues...
tbh, what else is there to even talk about D3.The beta isnt even out and all the teaser/trailer are on the official website/youtube etc. there's no news lately.
without all these posts about D2 (which kinda related to D3 somehow) this thread would be disappeared.
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On June 05 2011 06:30 absalom86 wrote: Guys, can we stick to talking about D3 instead of all these friggin bumps about D2 related issues...
I think talking about D2JSP in regards to Diablo 3s future is pretty relevant.
If Diablo 3 wants to survive trade-wise they need to be able to establish a way for players to trade more effectively than what we had in Diablo 2, something that will be able to combat similar sites like D2JSP that might appear for D3.
It's no mystery that trading during Diablo 2s heyday was hectic and mostly ineffective. In Diablo 2s younger days I personally found myself wasting most of my time just attempting to find that one person that was looking for the specific items I happened to be trading... But when I returned a year ago to D2 after a multi-year hiatus and learned that some people were using D2JSP and some were not I found it even harder to trade my items. Having to constantly compare the value of my items to what a third-party was declaring they were worth made it even more of chore to trade.
One instance of this was when I was looking for decent trap claws for my Assassin. I was finally able to find a person that had a few claws, but after an hour of trying to deal with the FG cost that the dealer swore by I had to just give up and look for someone who wouldn't force me into a situation where I had to choose between two different forms of currency (HRs or FG).
Overall decided D2JSP wasn't for me. I enjoyed the occasional haggling or great deals you'd find from people that were in a rush to trade, something I felt D2JSP (or an auction house) wouldn't give me. I also felt like being required to trade via a third-party made the game feel incomplete and unable to handle the demands of a player.
Hopefully Blizzard will learn from Diablo 2s evolution of trade throughout the years and be able to find an effective way for people to be able to trade in Diablo 3. My main idea on the issue would be Blizzard creating gold into a recourse that has more value to players, such as HRs.
But that brings me back to the issue of what makes gold valuable in Diablo, currently all it stands for is repairs, pots and merc resurrections. I just don't see what Blizzard could do to make gold more valuable. In the end I feel like Diablo 3s currency could just end up being high end gems or the crafting materials if the items created by the end game artisans are worthwhile.
My apologies for rambling on...
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