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kuresuti
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1393 Posts
June 04 2011 15:22 GMT
#1721
On June 05 2011 00:10 crabz wrote:
lol blizzard cant do shit to stop it, people will always use jsp or any other site because its easier to trade that way


It's easier to trade that way, if you're playing Diablo 2.
gosublade
Profile Joined May 2011
632 Posts
June 04 2011 15:34 GMT
#1722
The reason it happened so widely in d2 is because d2 trade system was horrible. D3 will have that spot cleaned and since its their new release, any 3rd party trading systems wont appear to a wider audience for a while.
Not even death can save you from me.
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 16:00:05
June 04 2011 15:56 GMT
#1723
noob question: has blizzard given any hints about the release date of the beta?
It does not need to be fun to be fun.
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
June 04 2011 16:09 GMT
#1724
On June 05 2011 00:56 tenacity wrote:
noob question: has blizzard given any hints about the release date of the beta?


Beta is going to start between June and September.
Brood War is forever
zFugitivE
Profile Joined July 2010
United States58 Posts
June 04 2011 16:30 GMT
#1725
The reason JSP exists and has thrived is because of how shitty the D2 trading system was setup...Diablo 3 will most likely fix that...and therefore you won't need to use a website to trade your items.

The main reason Forum Gold > Anything was because 'Gold' In diablo 2 didn't mean jack shit. You could literally max out on gold with a GF barb in 3-4 runs. Their was 0 currency, so FG became the official currency.

Here is how you make JSP irrelevant...MAKE GOLD HAVE VALUE. Have monsters drop very little gold, have gold mean something through-out the entire game through different things.

Also, have an account-based stash. If they made a "stash" or warehouse, that any of your characters could access, and have it show the same items for all of them. So instead of having to create 20 mules to hold all your items, just have a gigantic stash that you can access and deposit on any of your characters.

In-Game Auction House...this would literally put an end to JSP lol. Not only would it be much more efficient, but it would be much easier for players to use. Instead of having to deal with scammers/having to constantly repost/bump your item for hours or even days, and all the other annoyances of JSP, this way you just post it, and forget it.
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
June 04 2011 16:39 GMT
#1726
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crabz
Profile Joined May 2011
227 Posts
June 04 2011 16:57 GMT
#1727
On June 05 2011 01:09 ScDeluX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 00:56 tenacity wrote:
noob question: has blizzard given any hints about the release date of the beta?


Beta is going to start between June and September.

where do i need to register to participate in beta ?
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
June 04 2011 16:59 GMT
#1728
On June 05 2011 01:39 Barrin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 00:34 gosublade wrote:
d2 trade system was horrible

That's debatable. But me saying it was good would be like a rich person on d2jsp saying d2jsp is good.


I think the main thing is that Diablo trading system was game based, meaning you had to make games advertising what you have to trade/looking for.

For all those who remember it was endless hours joining trading post/trades/trade/trading channels.

It was fun to a certain extend and I got rich with that too but it was soaking way too much time. I'd rather focus 5% of my time trading than 99%.
Brood War is forever
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
June 04 2011 17:00 GMT
#1729
On June 05 2011 01:57 crabz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 01:09 ScDeluX wrote:
On June 05 2011 00:56 tenacity wrote:
noob question: has blizzard given any hints about the release date of the beta?


Beta is going to start between June and September.

where do i need to register to participate in beta ?


In your Battle net profile. (www.battle.net)

I don't think many ppl will get in tho. Beta will be smaller and I'd guess only blizzcon ppl/some lucky ass will get in.
Brood War is forever
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 04 2011 17:04 GMT
#1730
On June 05 2011 02:00 ScDeluX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 01:57 crabz wrote:
On June 05 2011 01:09 ScDeluX wrote:
On June 05 2011 00:56 tenacity wrote:
noob question: has blizzard given any hints about the release date of the beta?


Beta is going to start between June and September.

where do i need to register to participate in beta ?


In your Battle net profile. (www.battle.net)

I don't think many ppl will get in tho. Beta will be smaller and I'd guess only blizzcon ppl/some lucky ass will get in.


And friends of the employees -________- sadly.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
MrProb
Profile Joined January 2011
Thailand794 Posts
June 04 2011 17:05 GMT
#1731
On June 05 2011 01:59 ScDeluX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 01:39 Barrin wrote:
On June 05 2011 00:34 gosublade wrote:
d2 trade system was horrible

That's debatable. But me saying it was good would be like a rich person on d2jsp saying d2jsp is good.


I think the main thing is that Diablo trading system was game based, meaning you had to make games advertising what you have to trade/looking for.

For all those who remember it was endless hours joining trading post/trades/trade/trading channels.

It was fun to a certain extend and I got rich with that too but it was soaking way too much time. I'd rather focus 5% of my time trading than 99%.


this was kinda true.

but then again, Diablo2 was an MMORPG that paved the way for soooo many MMORPG out there, its like a game that really gave Blizzard what needs to be polished in the future.Like what we've seen in WoW, yea WoW is kind of different from Diablo BUT im sure D2 really gave Blizzard some ideas what to do to prevent certain problems to happen to WoW and rare, epic and legendary items are basically just like normal, exceptional and elite uniques in D2.

Im pretty sure D3 will be polished much much more than D2 cuz D2 is still running and all the problems are there for them to be seen since forever. Bots, Dupes etc.
rave[wcr] wrote: wtf how can erik understand kelly, its like han solo and chewabacca overthere.
Obscure
Profile Joined July 2008
United States272 Posts
June 04 2011 17:36 GMT
#1732
This is nitpicking, but Diablo games are not MMO's. D2 was not an MMO.

MMO's are games with incredibly large persistent worlds where hundreds, sometimes thousands of players interact. D2 you could have 8 players tops in a game and it was basically an equivalent of a WoW instance.

Diablo games are Action-RPGs, and the best ones at that. That is the sub-genre Diablo pioneered, not MMOs.
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge" - Daniel J. Boorstin
gosublade
Profile Joined May 2011
632 Posts
June 04 2011 18:23 GMT
#1733
Its not nitpicking, you are totally correct, its an action-rpg.
Not even death can save you from me.
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 19:25:57
June 04 2011 19:23 GMT
#1734
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 04 2011 20:50 GMT
#1735
In WoW, there's a persistent world where everybody can roam around, but almost all the PvE and PvP content involves small group play where 5, 10, 25, 4, or 6 players get together. The persistent world is the better place to trade that Diablo 2 doesn't have while all the content is in those instances.

Diablo 3 will hopefully have some trading bazaar or marketplace of some sort to go along with the auction house where larger groups of people can trade their booty.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Trajan98
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada203 Posts
June 04 2011 21:16 GMT
#1736
Blizz could always just make the majority of good items soulbound so they cant be traded enless you sell your account.
MrProb
Profile Joined January 2011
Thailand794 Posts
June 04 2011 21:19 GMT
#1737
On June 05 2011 06:16 Trajan98 wrote:
Blizz could always just make the majority of good items soulbound so they cant be traded enless you sell your account.


yea that would fix D2jsp problem pretty well but still, other than MFing, trading was a big element in D2 as well.
rave[wcr] wrote: wtf how can erik understand kelly, its like han solo and chewabacca overthere.
absalom86
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland1770 Posts
June 04 2011 21:30 GMT
#1738
Guys, can we stick to talking about D3 instead of all these friggin bumps about D2 related issues...
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MrProb
Profile Joined January 2011
Thailand794 Posts
June 04 2011 21:48 GMT
#1739
On June 05 2011 06:30 absalom86 wrote:
Guys, can we stick to talking about D3 instead of all these friggin bumps about D2 related issues...


tbh, what else is there to even talk about D3.The beta isnt even out and all the teaser/trailer are on the official website/youtube etc. there's no news lately.

without all these posts about D2 (which kinda related to D3 somehow) this thread would be disappeared.
rave[wcr] wrote: wtf how can erik understand kelly, its like han solo and chewabacca overthere.
beeDuck
Profile Joined January 2011
United States19 Posts
June 04 2011 23:58 GMT
#1740
On June 05 2011 06:30 absalom86 wrote:
Guys, can we stick to talking about D3 instead of all these friggin bumps about D2 related issues...



I think talking about D2JSP in regards to Diablo 3s future is pretty relevant.

If Diablo 3 wants to survive trade-wise they need to be able to establish a way for players to trade more effectively than what we had in Diablo 2, something that will be able to combat similar sites like D2JSP that might appear for D3.

It's no mystery that trading during Diablo 2s heyday was hectic and mostly ineffective. In Diablo 2s younger days I personally found myself wasting most of my time just attempting to find that one person that was looking for the specific items I happened to be trading... But when I returned a year ago to D2 after a multi-year hiatus and learned that some people were using D2JSP and some were not I found it even harder to trade my items. Having to constantly compare the value of my items to what a third-party was declaring they were worth made it even more of chore to trade.

One instance of this was when I was looking for decent trap claws for my Assassin. I was finally able to find a person that had a few claws, but after an hour of trying to deal with the FG cost that the dealer swore by I had to just give up and look for someone who wouldn't force me into a situation where I had to choose between two different forms of currency (HRs or FG).

Overall decided D2JSP wasn't for me. I enjoyed the occasional haggling or great deals you'd find from people that were in a rush to trade, something I felt D2JSP (or an auction house) wouldn't give me. I also felt like being required to trade via a third-party made the game feel incomplete and unable to handle the demands of a player.

Hopefully Blizzard will learn from Diablo 2s evolution of trade throughout the years and be able to find an effective way for people to be able to trade in Diablo 3. My main idea on the issue would be Blizzard creating gold into a recourse that has more value to players, such as HRs.

But that brings me back to the issue of what makes gold valuable in Diablo, currently all it stands for is repairs, pots and merc resurrections. I just don't see what Blizzard could do to make gold more valuable. In the end I feel like Diablo 3s currency could just end up being high end gems or the crafting materials if the items created by the end game artisans are worthwhile.

My apologies for rambling on...
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