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On June 02 2011 22:06 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 22:02 crabz wrote: those are top non ladder duelers (ladder is a joke) using close to perfect equipement and char builds/item setups developed after years of testing . now fade away u clueless vermin i wont even bother to answer your next posts because u seem to be completly clueless in that subject You're taking Diablo 2 pvp WWWWAAAAYYYYYYY too seriously. I almost spit out my coffee I laughed so hard. d2 is still best pvp rpg out there and i couldnt care less what u think about skill ceiling in this game (which isnt high but its enough to make the game competetive on atleast few levels), that there never was any progaming doesnt mean some people put alot of work and time to play it on highest level, 99,99% of people who play sc2 "seriously" wont be progamars or wont make any money out of it and u dont make fun of them dont you ?
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On June 02 2011 22:35 crabz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 22:06 Sm3agol wrote:On June 02 2011 22:02 crabz wrote: those are top non ladder duelers (ladder is a joke) using close to perfect equipement and char builds/item setups developed after years of testing . now fade away u clueless vermin i wont even bother to answer your next posts because u seem to be completly clueless in that subject You're taking Diablo 2 pvp WWWWAAAAYYYYYYY too seriously. I almost spit out my coffee I laughed so hard. d2 is still best pvp rpg out there and i couldnt care less what u think about skill ceiling in this game (which isnt high but its enough to make the game competetive on atleast few levels), that there never was any progaming doesnt mean some people put alot of work and time to play it on highest level, 99,99% of people who play sc2 "seriously" wont be progamars or wont make any money out of it and u dont make fun of them dont you ?
There's a best in the world of competitive cup-stacking as well, but that doesn't mean anyone cares about it outside of the people doing it. I understand that it might be fun to some people, and for crying aloud, I love D2 too, but don't try to make it something it's definitely not.
close to perfect equipement and char builds/item setups developed after years of testing
And I don't make fun of people who play games for fun. I make fun of people who take non-competitive games far too seriously.
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don't they make it a competitive game by taking it seriously and playing it competitively?
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On June 02 2011 22:35 crabz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 22:06 Sm3agol wrote:On June 02 2011 22:02 crabz wrote: those are top non ladder duelers (ladder is a joke) using close to perfect equipement and char builds/item setups developed after years of testing . now fade away u clueless vermin i wont even bother to answer your next posts because u seem to be completly clueless in that subject You're taking Diablo 2 pvp WWWWAAAAYYYYYYY too seriously. I almost spit out my coffee I laughed so hard. d2 is still best pvp rpg out there and i couldnt care less what u think about skill ceiling in this game (which isnt high but its enough to make the game competetive on atleast few levels), that there never was any progaming doesnt mean some people put alot of work and time to play it on highest level, 99,99% of people who play sc2 "seriously" wont be progamars or wont make any money out of it and u dont make fun of them dont you ?
Lol, it's not. I would even consider GW to have a better PvP system than Diablo 2.
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On June 02 2011 23:17 FliedLice wrote: don't they make it a competitive game by taking it seriously and playing it competitively?
By competitive, I mean something people are interested in other than the ones actually playing. As I said, cup stacking is a "competitive" sport too, but there's a reason we don't see it on ESPN.
Definitions, etc. I'm not exactly sure what I'm calling competitive should be called.
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LoL. There is almost no skill to Diablo 2 PVP's. It is more about who catered their hero to dueling skills or speedrunning/monster skills. Yeah obviously if your just slow youll be bad at PvP but usually the people who take D2 PVP seriously are people who are bad at other 1v1 and teamgames.
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On June 02 2011 23:38 JediGamer wrote: LoL. There is almost no skill to Diablo 2 PVP's. It is more about who catered their hero to dueling skills or speedrunning/monster skills. Yeah obviously if your just slow youll be bad at PvP but usually the people who take D2 PVP seriously are people who are bad at other 1v1 and teamgames. lol or they just like the game? btw there are plenty of morons who bought perfect items on ebay and still cant win vs anybody decent with half as good items even if their life depended on it.
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On June 02 2011 23:48 crabz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 23:38 JediGamer wrote: LoL. There is almost no skill to Diablo 2 PVP's. It is more about who catered their hero to dueling skills or speedrunning/monster skills. Yeah obviously if your just slow youll be bad at PvP but usually the people who take D2 PVP seriously are people who are bad at other 1v1 and teamgames. lol or they just like the game? btw there are plenty of morons who bought perfect items on ebay and still cant win vs anybody decent with half as good items even if their life depended on it. Only because they don't have 10 hours a day of their life to devote to playing a game. The same reason they don't have perfect items in the first place.
The only way to be good at Diablo 2 PvP is to spend several thousand hours playing it. There are no mechanics you need to work on, not much in the way of skills to learn, and no training necessary. All you need is the hours of time put in to make all the actions second nature.
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D2 pvp skill really is minimal, due to the lenght of the fight.
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Trying to get it back on topic with your discussion to d3.. hope for those who care about pvp that d3 will give them something to play the game for. Or it develops to be something nice.
I never really got into pvp in d2 just because i always thought it was bad but in d3 i might give it a shot just to destroy and battle with and against my friends. I mean that sounds fun right? Who doesn't want to chill some time off from you char with pve and go destroy someone else on pvp. Doesn't have to be high level for me just fun. And thats just me and probably over 95% of the gamers out there.
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I was playing around on photoshop last night and decided to make a diablo3 wallpaper + Show Spoiler +
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D2 had a bad pvp simply becuase its an old game. D2 focused on pve only. The pvp part was just "to be there". The pvp system wasn't well thought out and its becuase they had no earlier experience with pvp. They had no mistakes to learn since gaming and pvp gaming had not evolved yet.
D3 will still be majorly pve based. However they have now experience with pvp from other blizz games as well other games overall that has been released since early days of D2 until now.
To play some pvp just for fun is what most people will do, true. But there will be a lot of competative pvp aswell.
Seen as what pvp in D3 looks like, I feel they like Guild Wars(the ultimate pvp game). Longer battles and balance between everything is hard to establish, but it will come at some point.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the reason pvp wasn't popular in D2 was because it was plain bad.
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I just hope the game somehow manages to be hack-free to some extent. How stupid was it to have all those really rare runes and runewords, only to have websites out there offering endless amounts of items and runes for cheap? Anyone with a few dollars and no shame could set up a beastly character that would normally be very hard to build up to fairly.
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On June 03 2011 03:03 FallDownMarigold wrote: I just hope the game somehow manages to be hack-free to some extent. How stupid was it to have all those really rare runes and runewords, only to have websites out there offering endless amounts of items and runes for cheap? Anyone with a few dollars and no shame could set up a beastly character that would normally be very hard to build up to fairly. I have visited some of those item selling sites once and to be honest I could not believe anyone would ever buy something there because it is expensive as shit. Considered that all the items are dupes and available to no end, it was kinda weird to see stuff be sold for 40+$. The dupes and bots are sure the reason I don't enjoy D2 anymore. It was so frustrating to see newbs who dont know shit about the game running around in high end stuff. Hardcore was the last thing left at the end, but nobody really plays it anymore.
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On June 03 2011 03:28 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 21:16 Sm3agol wrote:+ Show Spoiler +That said, I have honed some certain skills that aren't really too hard to come by if you actually play the game (it's people that actually play the game that are hard to come by). The big thing here is knowing how to level fast (because higher level people become richer faster). Leveling fast obviously takes the ability to just be able to move from monster to monster quickly and efficiently (like killing shamans first in act1). It requires knowing which skills to use (and when) and what items to go for for your build. It requires proper and quick inventory maintenance which can eventually shave off hours of wasted play time. The trickiest and probably least known thing about leveling fast (legitly) is knowing which games to join and when to leave your current game, which is a bit of a guessing game (in some senses akin to playing poker) - this is tied in to rushing yourself through the acts to do the baal runs.
I do not claim to have any difficult talents in the leveling department (other than maybe knowing when to leave current game and knowing how to find a better one).
So great, we're high level now. We happen to be a sorceress with very crappy mediocre gear, and the best thing for us to do is moat trick farm Mephisto until we get our shako/occy/travs/nagels/goldwrap/chancies/etc. First off you can have some crappy mediocre gear and still teleport through most of hell just fine WITHOUT A MAPHACK if you have the right mods on your crappy gear. You really need these mods and pretty much only these mods: faster cast rate, faster hit recovery, life, resists. In pretty much that order too (most people overlook faster hit recovery, a fatal mistake). There's different degrees of teleporting: you can teleport all the way to the corner of your screen which is really risky and might make you die, or you can play it safe and only teleport to just within the edge of your light radius. With experience you will know when you can be risky (edge of screen blind teleporting) and when you can't be.
And then there's the skill of knowing how to find the entrance to the next dungeon without a maphack. Once you have teleported to Catacombs Level 4, or Durance of Hate Level 3, or Throne of Destruction hundreds of times you start to subconsciously gravitate towards the right area a lot of the time. Personally, I bet I would win some sort of legit mephisto teleporting triple elimination tournament against 31 other random players 9 times out of 10.
Great. We've farmed Mephisto for a while, and now we have some decent items for trade. There used to be a time when there was no such thing as currency (a time where I thrived). If you really knew what you were doing, you would become extremely intimate with the market value of every item. "Buy low, sell high". In a lot of other games this is almost a waste of time, but not so in D2 (even current day). There are a lot of dumb people out there who have good items and do not know what they're worth, so they're willing to let them go at a fraction of what they're worth. There is a certain skill in being able to find these people, and yet another skill to be able to convince them to trade with you while also making them think they're getting a good deal. I'm pretty good at this stuff (used to be a lot better), but my brother is like the fucking master at it. It was far from uncommon that he would take a single item worth very little and a few hours later have an item worth 20 or more times that item AND another two of the items (and then repeat with higher value items). Even in these d2jsp days he has taken an item worth ~40fg and traded it for an item worth 400+fg. Several if not dozens of times.
In the past four ladder resets I have reached the top 10 on the overall ladder by the 20-30 hour mark (and thats with taking a good night's sleep and some time to prepare food etc AFTER the reset). And then only to be overtaken by legions of sorceress/hammerdin bots because people are beginning to set them up.
Anyways, I won't really have the much of the "spare time" half of the equation when D3 hits. Oh well. I'm not sure what you really want from me. You think I'm going to give you all of my secrets, or you never really tried to play the game the way it was supposed to be played? You can believe what you want. And please, for the love of all things good, don't make posts like this. I'm almost saddened. The game is NOT difficult by any stretch of the imagination, and deluding yourself that you have top 100 sorc teleporting skill is about the saddest thing I've ever read. That comes from mindlessly playing the same thing about 5000 times, not from skill. Anyone can do that if they have 12 hours a day to spend doing Baal runs. I do not recall claiming that Diablo 2 was difficult. All I said was that it's not necessarily easy. If you'd actually read what was happening there, someone asked me what types of skills that can help you in Diablo 2, and I explained what some of those skills are. A question was asked, and I answered the question. And you flame me for that? In fact I literally stated in the post that you quoted that I do not think these skills are hard to come by and that there just aren't that many people that actually play the game (because bots/hacks/dupes/cheats/imports essentially ruin the game for people who actually like to play it). Top 100 sorc teleporting skill by no means makes you some kind of baller gamer. It's not a skill? Lol wtf? What's your definition of a skill? Here's Googles: skill 1. The ability to do something well.................... Yeah you're just trolling.
I'll bring in my earlier statement. Competitive cup stacking is a skill, but that hardly means anyone is interested in how well you do it. Your post seemed really grandiose and braggy...I don't see how anyone could take it otherwise, what with all the + Show Spoiler +Personally, I bet I would win some sort of legit mephisto teleporting triple elimination tournament against 31 other random players 9 times out of 10. and + Show Spoiler +In the past four ladder resets I have reached the top 10 on the overall ladder by the 20-30 hour mark (and thats with taking a good night's sleep and some time to prepare food etc AFTER the reset) . And Diablo 2 "skill" is definitely not something you should ever be bragging about on a SC forum...or ever, basically. It's not a hard game, the only requirement to be good at it is to have thousands of hours of free time. It's not like Quake or SC or similar games where mindless playing won't get you anywhere. As long as you can follow a build chart, you are good to go. Being "pro" is only 2000 hours away.
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Diablo 3 will be amazing, Blizzard doesnt disappoint.
Ps: d2 pvp was a lot of fun and does take some skill with keybinds and speed. There were lots of 3v3 tournaments 1v1s/ etc
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It kinda makes me go crazy knowing that one month from now I could possibly (though as improbable as it is) be playing the Diablo 3 beta.
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On June 02 2011 18:08 blubshizzle wrote: I still do not like d2jsp. It might be great as a concept but not when the concept doesn't work right on all ends.
If i would 24/7 bot d2 and sell all items. I can trade these for fg(forum gold). And buy anything in d3. So basicly what this means is: Whenever i find a d3 item i am going to trade this with some wow gold or some shitty crap enigma from d2 or just something i want from d3. This basicly means you can better play d2 to get easier, faster and better items at d3.
How is this a good thing? What can be exploited will be exploited.
A concept like this will always ruin a new game economy. And stop saying we have to get used to it. I have never traded in d2jsp and always played the game my way.
Just stop using d2jsp and see how it ruins anything that is remotely trying to create an ingame economy on its own. I know d2 has a bad ingame economy. But in the very beginning we just traded what we need for something they need. I´m not saying i want back to that old weird way but just keep the system within the game.
Give me a good reason why i should use d2jsp and why it works so well for d3. Consider i don´t want to play or trade with wow, d2 or any other game.
How is having stored forum gold any different from the newbs who will buy things with real life money? The only difference is d2jsp is rewarding people for playing other games, not for being willing to spend their real-world money on in-game things. (Now that's not to say there aren't people who buy FG or buy items to trade for FG, those people are rewarded too, but so are people like me with thousands of fg who never put a penny into it.)
Also, Barrin, teleporting fast is no skill, anybody who has been playing the game for more than a year can do it.
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