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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17770 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-12 20:23:15
November 12 2016 20:16 GMT
#21661
On November 12 2016 02:42 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2016 13:11 Manit0u wrote:
On November 11 2016 11:33 Archeon wrote:
Honestly Grim Dawn is in no way a worthy successor to d2. The skill design is terrible, the "plot" is barely existent and they have the same "you are a special snowflake" shit going that they have in d3 which ruins any feeling of danger in the "story". GD is a bit more grim than d3, but it's emotional impact is close to zero. When the guy in the end got eaten/banished by nightstalker's ugly crab brother I didn't notice at first and only got that that's the npc I'm supposed to like when I was back in town and he was missing, because I didn't bother to remember his name by then.

5. Might be just me but I like my skills flashy. It's one of the things that d2 does better than d3 imo, skills are more flashy and cool to play around with in d2
6. Increase your difficulty. Normal is sleep mode and terribly inefficient.
7. Gear drops are good in d2 as well. It's not rare to have 1-2 legendaries at similar levels. Also since you drop them later on anyways I don't mind.

Agreed to the rest. IIrc there isn't that much comic relief though, a bit surprised by that point.
The best point of d3 btw is that combat is fast and explosive.

Btw isn't lvl 15 like half an hour playtime???


I did it slow (on hard) so lvl 15 took me about two hours as I like to explore every corner of the map. Another pet peeve I have with D3 is the fact that the dialogue is horribly written and voice acting is rather sub-par.

I know it's not much gameplay done but it's telling a lot when after such short time I can't find the will to continue and instead go back to playing D2...

As far as comic relief goes it's in some of the dialogue, then there's this farmer who is talking to his skeletal wife sitting in the rocking chair and when her head falls off he says she "dozed off again". Also, some of the skill/rune names... They could just as well name them "more hardcore".

As far as GD is concerned I liked it a lot since I was a huge fan of Titan Quest. I really like how your character isn't so god damn ultra good and some of the skills are down right gruesome. There's also the case of the world being nicely dark and overall better done than in D3. The locations, the atmosphere, it all adds up to a more enjoyable playing experience.

so, you bought RoS expansion, but didnt even play it?


You can't buy vanilla D3. Only one with RoS included (either upgrade vanilla to RoS or grab battle chest). At least the options presented to me were the D3 battle chest and D3 deluxe edition which is battle chest and gives you some shit for WoW (for double the price) which I didn't care about.

Edit: And seriously, what is Blizzard thinking? They release such crap in hopes of making money. They spend a ton of money and development time on it in the first place only to give us such dismal pile of dung? If they would re-release D1 and D2 with graphics scaling to widescreen and better resolutions available (there are even mods for that FFS) they would probably get more customers... Especially that HD remakes of old titles are pretty hip right now.

On November 13 2016 04:31 Assault_1 wrote:
I usually don't watch these, but a good vid explaining the new D1 feature:


0 faith in Blizzard. WoW ruined this company. Everything after and including that is garbage.

Bring back Blizzard North please...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
November 13 2016 16:17 GMT
#21662
Kripp is so disappointed in that vid, oh my.
passive quaranstream fan
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17617 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-13 17:28:09
November 13 2016 17:25 GMT
#21663
as Blizzard's business has scaled up and they work on 6 products simultaneously the amount of bad product they release rises. the unrealistic expectations of fanboys magnify this issue. Brood War took 1.5 years to balance and remove many many exploits; vanilla SC1 was never balanced. To hear it from the detractors of 2016 Blizzard.. Brood War was perfect on release day.

you can have quality or you can have quantity.. you can't have both.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 13 2016 17:45 GMT
#21664
awesome vid by Kripp, thanks for linking it. lol.
yB.TeH
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany419 Posts
November 13 2016 17:50 GMT
#21665
is there a way to hide someones post anywhere on tl?
i'm tired of constant blizzard shilling in every second thread
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
November 13 2016 22:28 GMT
#21666
On November 14 2016 02:50 Qeet wrote:
is there a way to hide someones post anywhere on tl?
i'm tired of constant blizzard shilling in every second thread

Don't think there is. Maybe with TL+? :o)

And if you don't want to read blizzard bashing... maybe you need to find a different forum. :/
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7737 Posts
November 14 2016 00:19 GMT
#21667
On November 14 2016 02:50 Qeet wrote:
is there a way to hide someones post anywhere on tl?
i'm tired of constant blizzard shilling in every second thread

there was a script people used to hide Azarkon's posts, ask around and maybe someone will still have it ;]

shame they wasted so much effort for crap like this, and I had such hopes for blizzcon
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
November 14 2016 02:48 GMT
#21668
On November 13 2016 05:16 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2016 02:42 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 11 2016 13:11 Manit0u wrote:
On November 11 2016 11:33 Archeon wrote:
Honestly Grim Dawn is in no way a worthy successor to d2. The skill design is terrible, the "plot" is barely existent and they have the same "you are a special snowflake" shit going that they have in d3 which ruins any feeling of danger in the "story". GD is a bit more grim than d3, but it's emotional impact is close to zero. When the guy in the end got eaten/banished by nightstalker's ugly crab brother I didn't notice at first and only got that that's the npc I'm supposed to like when I was back in town and he was missing, because I didn't bother to remember his name by then.

5. Might be just me but I like my skills flashy. It's one of the things that d2 does better than d3 imo, skills are more flashy and cool to play around with in d2
6. Increase your difficulty. Normal is sleep mode and terribly inefficient.
7. Gear drops are good in d2 as well. It's not rare to have 1-2 legendaries at similar levels. Also since you drop them later on anyways I don't mind.

Agreed to the rest. IIrc there isn't that much comic relief though, a bit surprised by that point.
The best point of d3 btw is that combat is fast and explosive.

Btw isn't lvl 15 like half an hour playtime???


I did it slow (on hard) so lvl 15 took me about two hours as I like to explore every corner of the map. Another pet peeve I have with D3 is the fact that the dialogue is horribly written and voice acting is rather sub-par.

I know it's not much gameplay done but it's telling a lot when after such short time I can't find the will to continue and instead go back to playing D2...

As far as comic relief goes it's in some of the dialogue, then there's this farmer who is talking to his skeletal wife sitting in the rocking chair and when her head falls off he says she "dozed off again". Also, some of the skill/rune names... They could just as well name them "more hardcore".

As far as GD is concerned I liked it a lot since I was a huge fan of Titan Quest. I really like how your character isn't so god damn ultra good and some of the skills are down right gruesome. There's also the case of the world being nicely dark and overall better done than in D3. The locations, the atmosphere, it all adds up to a more enjoyable playing experience.

so, you bought RoS expansion, but didnt even play it?


You can't buy vanilla D3. Only one with RoS included (either upgrade vanilla to RoS or grab battle chest). At least the options presented to me were the D3 battle chest and D3 deluxe edition which is battle chest and gives you some shit for WoW (for double the price) which I didn't care about.

Edit: And seriously, what is Blizzard thinking? They release such crap in hopes of making money. They spend a ton of money and development time on it in the first place only to give us such dismal pile of dung? If they would re-release D1 and D2 with graphics scaling to widescreen and better resolutions available (there are even mods for that FFS) they would probably get more customers... Especially that HD remakes of old titles are pretty hip right now.

Show nested quote +
On November 13 2016 04:31 Assault_1 wrote:
I usually don't watch these, but a good vid explaining the new D1 feature:
https://youtu.be/LB6595M5Mes


0 faith in Blizzard. WoW ruined this company. Everything after and including that is garbage.

Bring back Blizzard North please...

And how did you decide that they spent "a ton of money and development time" on this ? If you ask me, they didn't spend more than a month on that crap. It's a regular rift with the same monsters from d3. Some visual effects, 8 directional movement and some monster skins... Yeah, a ton of money and develoment time, sure. I expected it to be dissapointing and it is... No surprises.

What I'm really surprised is that they are releasing a new hero. Why ? This game is on it's last legs, a new hero will not revive it... Even, if it's the necromancer. And from what I saw, the hero is nothing special. Basically D3 caster hero with bone/blood themed spells. Yeah, exciting. This season I barelly touched the game and I'm already bored.

D2 HD with decent end game content OR Diablo 4... This is how I see the future of Diablo. Problably 3 years from now at the very least.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 14 2016 03:59 GMT
#21669
As long as you are aware that D4 will be far away from D2 and probably a D3 without the bandaids, because people prefer to buy their legendaries from ebay instead from an ingame auction house .
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17617 Posts
November 14 2016 04:48 GMT
#21670
On November 13 2016 05:16 Manit0u wrote:
You can't buy vanilla D3. Only one with RoS included (either upgrade vanilla to RoS or grab battle chest). At least the options presented to me were the D3 battle chest and D3 deluxe edition which is battle chest and gives you some shit for WoW (for double the price) which I didn't care about.


Vanilla D3 is $20 USD in my region
https://us.battle.net/shop/en/product/game/diablo
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3266 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-14 09:32:10
November 14 2016 05:03 GMT
#21671
On November 11 2016 13:11 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2016 11:33 Archeon wrote:
Honestly Grim Dawn is in no way a worthy successor to d2. The skill design is terrible, the "plot" is barely existent and they have the same "you are a special snowflake" shit going that they have in d3 which ruins any feeling of danger in the "story". GD is a bit more grim than d3, but it's emotional impact is close to zero. When the guy in the end got eaten/banished by nightstalker's ugly crab brother I didn't notice at first and only got that that's the npc I'm supposed to like when I was back in town and he was missing, because I didn't bother to remember his name by then.

5. Might be just me but I like my skills flashy. It's one of the things that d2 does better than d3 imo, skills are more flashy and cool to play around with in d2
6. Increase your difficulty. Normal is sleep mode and terribly inefficient.
7. Gear drops are good in d2 as well. It's not rare to have 1-2 legendaries at similar levels. Also since you drop them later on anyways I don't mind.

Agreed to the rest. IIrc there isn't that much comic relief though, a bit surprised by that point.
The best point of d3 btw is that combat is fast and explosive.

Btw isn't lvl 15 like half an hour playtime???


I did it slow (on hard) so lvl 15 took me about two hours as I like to explore every corner of the map. Another pet peeve I have with D3 is the fact that the dialogue is horribly written and voice acting is rather sub-par.

I know it's not much gameplay done but it's telling a lot when after such short time I can't find the will to continue and instead go back to playing D2...

As far as comic relief goes it's in some of the dialogue, then there's this farmer who is talking to his skeletal wife sitting in the rocking chair and when her head falls off he says she "dozed off again". Also, some of the skill/rune names... They could just as well name them "more hardcore".

As far as GD is concerned I liked it a lot since I was a huge fan of Titan Quest. I really like how your character isn't so god damn ultra good and some of the skills are down right gruesome. There's also the case of the world being nicely dark and overall better done than in D3. The locations, the atmosphere, it all adds up to a more enjoyable playing experience.

Well voice acting was always sub-par in diablo tbh.

Not saying d3 is perfect, it's not as dark as d2 and many of it's cutscenes and general writing are cheesy af. I also agree with you on d2 having the cooler skills. D3 does however have the faster combat and far better lategame content. The main criticism atm is that they don't deliver new content, not that the game is terrible.

I liked GD, but I can't say that it's even close to d3 for me. Skill design, leveling after 50, noticeable lack of budget, lack of story, loot system pre 50 (haven't played much longer), damage types, all stuff diablo 3 does better. Fighting in GD overall is way less explosive and flashy, I like my fights on steroids, might be different for you.
In all honesty GD gets saved by it's devotion and component systems and that it's grim. Occultist is he worst designed class I've ever seen and Arcanist is barely better. Diablo3 has some badly designed skills, but at least it's got enough that you can still pick some good stuff.

Not sure which class you picked in d3, that always made a large difference for me.

On November 11 2016 17:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:
i like GD so much better than d3. the world is much more immersive and all the "secret" stuff is pretty great. it is as fun for me to play as d2 and soooooooooo much more fun to play than d3. the devotion system although it has some cool ideas like the level-able skills is unfortunately pretty shit and drop rates in the higher difficulties need a bigtime tweak imo

i can't stop playing the d1 callback anniversary retro whatever the hell it is event just because the combat is so simplified that it's actually fun to play d3 again. what's this? no hero packs with 18 different affixes that drag out combat until the break of dawn just to kill 6 monsters that aren't even "bosses"? sign me up for that shit.

If you take more than 10 seconds to kill a boss pack you might want to consider reducing your difficulty :/
low gravity, yes-yes!
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
November 14 2016 05:39 GMT
#21672
Tried that new D1 thing on the PTR...

Man, the retro filter was really uncomfortable. I loved D1, but that thing really hurt my eyes. It was gross. It was fun to see the names of the items and remember how excited I would have been to find a Godly Plate of the Whale or a Kings Sword of Haste. That was kind of fun. + Show Spoiler +
Butcher caught me by surprise. I remember opening that door being one of the scariest moments of my childhood. The ol' Bastard got me again.


Overall, it was a pretty fun way to kill an hour or so. I'll probably do it again on live for the achievement.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
November 14 2016 18:29 GMT
#21673
An hour? I thought they recreated the entire game in the D3 engine?
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17617 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-14 20:53:07
November 14 2016 20:36 GMT
#21674
here is the Q&A Panel from BlizzCon 2016.
+ Show Spoiler +


On November 13 2016 05:16 Manit0u wrote:
0 faith in Blizzard. WoW ruined this company. Everything after and including that is garbage.
Bring back Blizzard North please...

i'm very happy with D3.

off topic and congruent with the post i'm rebutting
+ Show Spoiler +
Blizzard's 1st PC game arrived in late '94 or early '95 in Europe. WoW was late 2004. so, Blizz good for 10 years and then "ruined" for the last 11+ years. ok, man.

generally, when a company makes a garbage game its the next game they make that pays the price in terms of sales totals.

somehow, after 11+ years of crap Overwatch manages to exceed 20 million paid players in 6 months with stupid high levels of engagement.

re ductio ad absurdum
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
November 14 2016 21:16 GMT
#21675
Whatever the hell is ductio? Tape?
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
November 14 2016 21:31 GMT
#21676
That would be duck tape.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17770 Posts
November 14 2016 21:33 GMT
#21677
On November 15 2016 05:36 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
here is the Q&A Panel from BlizzCon 2016.
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9FG16JMo1k


Show nested quote +
On November 13 2016 05:16 Manit0u wrote:
0 faith in Blizzard. WoW ruined this company. Everything after and including that is garbage.
Bring back Blizzard North please...

i'm very happy with D3.

off topic and congruent with the post i'm rebutting
+ Show Spoiler +
Blizzard's 1st PC game arrived in late '94 or early '95 in Europe. WoW was late 2004. so, Blizz good for 10 years and then "ruined" for the last 11+ years. ok, man.

generally, when a company makes a garbage game its the next game they make that pays the price in terms of sales totals.

somehow, after 11+ years of crap Overwatch manages to exceed 20 million paid players in 6 months with stupid high levels of engagement.

re ductio ad absurdum


More money =/= more better...

LoL has made Riot a lot of money, and I don't consider it to be a good game.
Batman vs Superman has made Warner Bros. a lot of money, and I don't consider it to be a good movie.

Sure, you can release crap that sells for 11 years. How does that make you a good company?
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-14 22:10:01
November 14 2016 22:05 GMT
#21678
On November 15 2016 06:33 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2016 05:36 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
here is the Q&A Panel from BlizzCon 2016.
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9FG16JMo1k


On November 13 2016 05:16 Manit0u wrote:
0 faith in Blizzard. WoW ruined this company. Everything after and including that is garbage.
Bring back Blizzard North please...

i'm very happy with D3.

off topic and congruent with the post i'm rebutting
+ Show Spoiler +
Blizzard's 1st PC game arrived in late '94 or early '95 in Europe. WoW was late 2004. so, Blizz good for 10 years and then "ruined" for the last 11+ years. ok, man.

generally, when a company makes a garbage game its the next game they make that pays the price in terms of sales totals.

somehow, after 11+ years of crap Overwatch manages to exceed 20 million paid players in 6 months with stupid high levels of engagement.

re ductio ad absurdum


More money =/= more better...

LoL has made Riot a lot of money, and I don't consider it to be a good game.
Batman vs Superman has made Warner Bros. a lot of money, and I don't consider it to be a good movie.

Sure, you can release crap that sells for 11 years. How does that make you a good company?

You not liking it =/= crappy game.
Your opinion is not an universal law.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
November 14 2016 22:26 GMT
#21679

If you take more than 10 seconds to kill a boss pack you might want to consider reducing your difficulty :/


i will nevar reduce the absurdly high difficulty i set d3 to without proper gear

NEVAR
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
November 14 2016 22:27 GMT
#21680
On November 15 2016 03:29 DickMcFanny wrote:
An hour? I thought they recreated the entire game in the D3 engine?



The dungeon is like + Show Spoiler +
15
levels deep. Its been a while since I've played D1, but I think I remember it being longer than that.
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