Honestly Grim Dawn is in no way a worthy successor to d2. The skill design is terrible, the "plot" is barely existent and they have the same "you are a special snowflake" shit going that they have in d3 which ruins any feeling of danger in the "story". GD is a bit more grim than d3, but it's emotional impact is close to zero. When the guy in the end got eaten/banished by nightstalker's ugly crab brother I didn't notice at first and only got that that's the npc I'm supposed to like when I was back in town and he was missing, because I didn't bother to remember his name by then.
5. Might be just me but I like my skills flashy. It's one of the things that d2 does better than d3 imo, skills are more flashy and cool to play around with in d2 6. Increase your difficulty. Normal is sleep mode and terribly inefficient. 7. Gear drops are good in d2 as well. It's not rare to have 1-2 legendaries at similar levels. Also since you drop them later on anyways I don't mind.
Agreed to the rest. IIrc there isn't that much comic relief though, a bit surprised by that point. The best point of d3 btw is that combat is fast and explosive.
On November 11 2016 11:33 Archeon wrote: Honestly Grim Dawn is in no way a worthy successor to d2. The skill design is terrible, the "plot" is barely existent and they have the same "you are a special snowflake" shit going that they have in d3 which ruins any feeling of danger in the "story". GD is a bit more grim than d3, but it's emotional impact is close to zero. When the guy in the end got eaten/banished by nightstalker's ugly crab brother I didn't notice at first and only got that that's the npc I'm supposed to like when I was back in town and he was missing, because I didn't bother to remember his name by then.
5. Might be just me but I like my skills flashy. It's one of the things that d2 does better than d3 imo, skills are more flashy and cool to play around with in d2 6. Increase your difficulty. Normal is sleep mode and terribly inefficient. 7. Gear drops are good in d2 as well. It's not rare to have 1-2 legendaries at similar levels. Also since you drop them later on anyways I don't mind.
Agreed to the rest. IIrc there isn't that much comic relief though, a bit surprised by that point. The best point of d3 btw is that combat is fast and explosive.
Btw isn't lvl 15 like half an hour playtime???
I did it slow (on hard) so lvl 15 took me about two hours as I like to explore every corner of the map. Another pet peeve I have with D3 is the fact that the dialogue is horribly written and voice acting is rather sub-par.
I know it's not much gameplay done but it's telling a lot when after such short time I can't find the will to continue and instead go back to playing D2...
As far as comic relief goes it's in some of the dialogue, then there's this farmer who is talking to his skeletal wife sitting in the rocking chair and when her head falls off he says she "dozed off again". Also, some of the skill/rune names... They could just as well name them "more hardcore".
As far as GD is concerned I liked it a lot since I was a huge fan of Titan Quest. I really like how your character isn't so god damn ultra good and some of the skills are down right gruesome. There's also the case of the world being nicely dark and overall better done than in D3. The locations, the atmosphere, it all adds up to a more enjoyable playing experience.
On November 11 2016 11:33 Archeon wrote: Honestly Grim Dawn is in no way a worthy successor to d2. The skill design is terrible, the "plot" is barely existent and they have the same "you are a special snowflake" shit going that they have in d3 which ruins any feeling of danger in the "story". GD is a bit more grim than d3, but it's emotional impact is close to zero. When the guy in the end got eaten/banished by nightstalker's ugly crab brother I didn't notice at first and only got that that's the npc I'm supposed to like when I was back in town and he was missing, because I didn't bother to remember his name by then.
5. Might be just me but I like my skills flashy. It's one of the things that d2 does better than d3 imo, skills are more flashy and cool to play around with in d2 6. Increase your difficulty. Normal is sleep mode and terribly inefficient. 7. Gear drops are good in d2 as well. It's not rare to have 1-2 legendaries at similar levels. Also since you drop them later on anyways I don't mind.
Agreed to the rest. IIrc there isn't that much comic relief though, a bit surprised by that point. The best point of d3 btw is that combat is fast and explosive.
Btw isn't lvl 15 like half an hour playtime???
I did it slow (on hard) so lvl 15 took me about two hours as I like to explore every corner of the map. Another pet peeve I have with D3 is the fact that the dialogue is horribly written and voice acting is rather sub-par.
I know it's not much gameplay done but it's telling a lot when after such short time I can't find the will to continue and instead go back to playing D2...
As far as comic relief goes it's in some of the dialogue, then there's this farmer who is talking to his skeletal wife sitting in the rocking chair and when her head falls off he says she "dozed off again". Also, some of the skill/rune names... They could just as well name them "more hardcore".
As far as GD is concerned I liked it a lot since I was a huge fan of Titan Quest. I really like how your character isn't so god damn ultra good and some of the skills are down right gruesome. There's also the case of the world being nicely dark and overall better done than in D3. The locations, the atmosphere, it all adds up to a more enjoyable playing experience.
Maybe you want the more adventury kind of RPG? Like morrow wind and all those? The a bit slower ones, that are a bit less action RPG. D3 is very much an aRPG, made for explosions, effects, epic killing of a lot of monsters in short time with awesome looking abilities. Design so that you don't have to spend too much time in town, or think too hard about exactly what that NPC said (just follow arrow on the map, and kill everything). Not sure where D2 falls on that scale. Not quite as aRPG as D3, but still pretty much an aRPG I'd say.
On November 09 2016 19:07 -Archangel- wrote: I would rather read about people trying D1 in D3 and giving us their impressions...
diablo stream numbers kicked up significantly yesterday. however, i was way too engrossed in US's political debacle. probably try the ptr out today though.
Hope you can play on PTR. keep us tuned Do you own the extension ?
how do you access the PTR ? I thought it was in the region drop down but i can't see it
i started playing last night. however, i started a new character from scratch so it will be awhile before i get to the good stuff. i own RoS, and it says a license is required to do PTR. in order to play PTR, you change your region from NA/EU/etc. to PTR.
of course, nobody will be interested in my opinion, i am just a casual player (only 500 or so hours into D3). =P
Weird thing is none of my games appear to have PTR is the list. I should havve it for WoW and SC2.
Can you play D1 from start or you need to have a decent level ?
On November 11 2016 11:33 Archeon wrote: Honestly Grim Dawn is in no way a worthy successor to d2. The skill design is terrible, the "plot" is barely existent and they have the same "you are a special snowflake" shit going that they have in d3 which ruins any feeling of danger in the "story". GD is a bit more grim than d3, but it's emotional impact is close to zero. When the guy in the end got eaten/banished by nightstalker's ugly crab brother I didn't notice at first and only got that that's the npc I'm supposed to like when I was back in town and he was missing, because I didn't bother to remember his name by then.
5. Might be just me but I like my skills flashy. It's one of the things that d2 does better than d3 imo, skills are more flashy and cool to play around with in d2 6. Increase your difficulty. Normal is sleep mode and terribly inefficient. 7. Gear drops are good in d2 as well. It's not rare to have 1-2 legendaries at similar levels. Also since you drop them later on anyways I don't mind.
Agreed to the rest. IIrc there isn't that much comic relief though, a bit surprised by that point. The best point of d3 btw is that combat is fast and explosive.
Btw isn't lvl 15 like half an hour playtime???
I did it slow (on hard) so lvl 15 took me about two hours as I like to explore every corner of the map. Another pet peeve I have with D3 is the fact that the dialogue is horribly written and voice acting is rather sub-par.
I know it's not much gameplay done but it's telling a lot when after such short time I can't find the will to continue and instead go back to playing D2...
As far as comic relief goes it's in some of the dialogue, then there's this farmer who is talking to his skeletal wife sitting in the rocking chair and when her head falls off he says she "dozed off again". Also, some of the skill/rune names... They could just as well name them "more hardcore".
As far as GD is concerned I liked it a lot since I was a huge fan of Titan Quest. I really like how your character isn't so god damn ultra good and some of the skills are down right gruesome. There's also the case of the world being nicely dark and overall better done than in D3. The locations, the atmosphere, it all adds up to a more enjoyable playing experience.
Maybe you want the more adventury kind of RPG? Like morrow wind and all those? The a bit slower ones, that are a bit less action RPG. D3 is very much an aRPG, made for explosions, effects, epic killing of a lot of monsters in short time with awesome looking abilities. Design so that you don't have to spend too much time in town, or think too hard about exactly what that NPC said (just follow arrow on the map, and kill everything). Not sure where D2 falls on that scale. Not quite as aRPG as D3, but still pretty much an aRPG I'd say.
What do you think? Do I make any sense?
D2 had much darker atmosphere and environments. Also, the character classes and their abilities were way cooler.
i like GD so much better than d3. the world is much more immersive and all the "secret" stuff is pretty great. it is as fun for me to play as d2 and soooooooooo much more fun to play than d3. the devotion system although it has some cool ideas like the level-able skills is unfortunately pretty shit and drop rates in the higher difficulties need a bigtime tweak imo
i can't stop playing the d1 callback anniversary retro whatever the hell it is event just because the combat is so simplified that it's actually fun to play d3 again. what's this? no hero packs with 18 different affixes that drag out combat until the break of dawn just to kill 6 monsters that aren't even "bosses"? sign me up for that shit.
On November 11 2016 11:33 Archeon wrote: Honestly Grim Dawn is in no way a worthy successor to d2. The skill design is terrible, the "plot" is barely existent and they have the same "you are a special snowflake" shit going that they have in d3 which ruins any feeling of danger in the "story". GD is a bit more grim than d3, but it's emotional impact is close to zero. When the guy in the end got eaten/banished by nightstalker's ugly crab brother I didn't notice at first and only got that that's the npc I'm supposed to like when I was back in town and he was missing, because I didn't bother to remember his name by then.
5. Might be just me but I like my skills flashy. It's one of the things that d2 does better than d3 imo, skills are more flashy and cool to play around with in d2 6. Increase your difficulty. Normal is sleep mode and terribly inefficient. 7. Gear drops are good in d2 as well. It's not rare to have 1-2 legendaries at similar levels. Also since you drop them later on anyways I don't mind.
Agreed to the rest. IIrc there isn't that much comic relief though, a bit surprised by that point. The best point of d3 btw is that combat is fast and explosive.
Btw isn't lvl 15 like half an hour playtime???
I did it slow (on hard) so lvl 15 took me about two hours as I like to explore every corner of the map. Another pet peeve I have with D3 is the fact that the dialogue is horribly written and voice acting is rather sub-par.
I know it's not much gameplay done but it's telling a lot when after such short time I can't find the will to continue and instead go back to playing D2...
As far as comic relief goes it's in some of the dialogue, then there's this farmer who is talking to his skeletal wife sitting in the rocking chair and when her head falls off he says she "dozed off again". Also, some of the skill/rune names... They could just as well name them "more hardcore".
As far as GD is concerned I liked it a lot since I was a huge fan of Titan Quest. I really like how your character isn't so god damn ultra good and some of the skills are down right gruesome. There's also the case of the world being nicely dark and overall better done than in D3. The locations, the atmosphere, it all adds up to a more enjoyable playing experience.
so, you bought RoS expansion, but didnt even play it?
On November 09 2016 19:07 -Archangel- wrote: I would rather read about people trying D1 in D3 and giving us their impressions...
diablo stream numbers kicked up significantly yesterday. however, i was way too engrossed in US's political debacle. probably try the ptr out today though.
Hope you can play on PTR. keep us tuned Do you own the extension ?
how do you access the PTR ? I thought it was in the region drop down but i can't see it
i started playing last night. however, i started a new character from scratch so it will be awhile before i get to the good stuff. i own RoS, and it says a license is required to do PTR. in order to play PTR, you change your region from NA/EU/etc. to PTR.
of course, nobody will be interested in my opinion, i am just a casual player (only 500 or so hours into D3). =P
Weird thing is none of my games appear to have PTR is the list. I should havve it for WoW and SC2.
Can you play D1 from start or you need to have a decent level ?
i think someone said they started playing it right off from level 1. i just found where it is last night, level 69. but i wasnt looking too hard for it. just enjoying the game.
On November 09 2016 19:07 -Archangel- wrote: I would rather read about people trying D1 in D3 and giving us their impressions...
diablo stream numbers kicked up significantly yesterday. however, i was way too engrossed in US's political debacle. probably try the ptr out today though.
Hope you can play on PTR. keep us tuned Do you own the extension ?
how do you access the PTR ? I thought it was in the region drop down but i can't see it
i started playing last night. however, i started a new character from scratch so it will be awhile before i get to the good stuff. i own RoS, and it says a license is required to do PTR. in order to play PTR, you change your region from NA/EU/etc. to PTR.
of course, nobody will be interested in my opinion, i am just a casual player (only 500 or so hours into D3). =P
Weird thing is none of my games appear to have PTR is the list. I should havve it for WoW and SC2.
Can you play D1 from start or you need to have a decent level ?
i think someone said they started playing it right off from level 1. i just found where it is last night, level 69. but i wasnt looking too hard for it. just enjoying the game.
You need to be able to play in adventure mode. If you never made a PTR character, you first have to play aslong you get to adventure mode. So I wait for the full release.
On November 09 2016 19:07 -Archangel- wrote: I would rather read about people trying D1 in D3 and giving us their impressions...
diablo stream numbers kicked up significantly yesterday. however, i was way too engrossed in US's political debacle. probably try the ptr out today though.
Hope you can play on PTR. keep us tuned Do you own the extension ?
how do you access the PTR ? I thought it was in the region drop down but i can't see it
i started playing last night. however, i started a new character from scratch so it will be awhile before i get to the good stuff. i own RoS, and it says a license is required to do PTR. in order to play PTR, you change your region from NA/EU/etc. to PTR.
of course, nobody will be interested in my opinion, i am just a casual player (only 500 or so hours into D3). =P
Weird thing is none of my games appear to have PTR is the list. I should havve it for WoW and SC2.
Can you play D1 from start or you need to have a decent level ?
i think someone said they started playing it right off from level 1. i just found where it is last night, level 69. but i wasnt looking too hard for it. just enjoying the game.
You need to be able to play in adventure mode. If you never made a PTR character, you first have to play aslong you get to adventure mode. So I wait for the full release.
I already finished the vanilla D3 so i have an adventure mode character. I just don't have PTR in the list. Only Asia/America/Europe
EDIT : found it. You need to create a PTR account on Bnet
current PTR offers dx11 graphic and 64bit version. I hope I can play with it. I have Win7 64bit and 4 GB Ram. I know that WatchDogs is not working on my pc because it needs 4GB+ Ram.
On November 12 2016 07:16 FFW_Rude wrote: Do you need to do something special to get to the darkening of tristram ?
Right now you just walk into a portal (a1 adverture mode near the old ruins WP).
Ok. Thank you
EDIT : oh when you said you needed to have adventure mode i didn't thought that on the PTR i had to go through the game again i'll never have time to play D1
On November 12 2016 21:34 Clonester wrote: Well played it now....
Was like the combination of everything I did not like of D1 with everything I do not like from D3.
Would you care to elaborate a bit?
Not really, but here you go:
D1: The graphics: When I say I want a D2 remake, then everything they could take from the D3 would be the graphic and sound. When I play a game in 2016, I dont need a blurry graphic that hurts my eyes. I understand that this shall be "retro"-style, but you could still make it retro while appeasing to ones eyes. For example, I just played Tyranny quite a bit and even tho it is a "retro"-RPG with isometric perspective, its kurwa beautiful to watch and its so easy for the eyes, that I can play it for hours. It is not that I am typical graphic whore, I play games like KotR or Warcraft III quite a lot, but not only is this graphic for me much more ugly and hurting then the ones of the named games, I also think that the core value of an remake is to get the old game in a fresh, modern graphic with the old mechanics. Here we have the opposite. The Story: Well, what story, you go to old Tristram, use the portal, hello 8-direction world and then slay your way through the 16 shades of gray. In total I found 2 books there, giving me some retro-chills because reading and the final cut scene. That was it and that was not enough for me.
D3: The levels: The levels are just normal D3 levels (mostly of Act 1 Halls of Agonie, Act 1 Cathedral, generict dungeon, some Act 5 Nephalem stuff) with normal D3 monsters (From moonclan guys over sucucbus to demons of Act 4). Nothing new, nothing special. The bosses were also models from D3. The difficuilty: Used a fresh lvl 1 character, ended when I was lvl 22. If you use Paragon (lvl 535 for me) it is super easy. If you dont use paragon, then it gets normally though, the end is quite heavy then. But whats the point that you have to make the game hard for yourself by not spending Paragon or increasing the diff. to master and behind only to make the game challanging. It should be challanging from the beginning and it is not. A typical D3 problem where the difficuilty levels got out of control. You ad the 20th difficuilty level and to give players something to do, you add another set with +40.000% damage bonus. The game becomes to easy again and you add difficuilty Nr 21st-23rd. This system just got out of hand. The character: This thread told us enough about the pros and cons of D3 character systems. I think it sucks, it is boring, it is lame, I will not start to like it when it is just more gray. The items: Hey, I got Items for other classes again... and I couldnt care less. That again is quite cool, but what difference does it make, when you can level charakters in 5 hours to lvl 70 and use the smith for good gears during that time. The retro chills of this last 5 minutes and then you just throw the crap away. Loot 2.0 is anyway crap, as it devalues epic loot so much, that its just sad. Loot 1.0 was the opposite, but also crap, as you never found loot you connected to. You found stuff you could never use and sold it at the A.H. to buy stuff you could use. Funny enough, I found 2 epics and one boosted the dmg and attack speed of a single attack of my char by 100% each, so.... The bosses: ...didnt last long. I even reworked my Paragon, so I only get movement speed, gold bonus and so on, so the game would be though, but with this one epic weapon, everything got slain pretty fast. The only thing that is hard to do is the 16th lvl, thats a pretty hard nut if you dont use Paragon for stat boosts. If you use Paragon, you need 5 secs to kill the final boss. The bosses anyway have been pretty boring, not only because they did not last long, but also because they use models of D3 and nothing custom.
In the end, not worth my 30 minutes I need to install PTR.
EPT
i'll never have time to play D1 
