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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
On November 08 2016 07:25 Duka08 wrote: Everyone says this but very few take the time to explain why PVP was where you test out your character/items/skills, it gave you a good reason to level up and gear up through trading/mfing/farming. It was pretty decently balanced, you could team up or ffa, it was just one of the fun and social parts of d2. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
I played many hundreds of hours of D2, but never in public games. Only single player and LAN with friends (oh, the full-weekend game clears with wonky build combinations! :D). I Don't even know how to PvP in D2. Never ubers, no trading. I never saw many of the rare OP items and runes. I played about as much D3 (not sure which one I've spent most time on honestly), and almost always in public games unless I'm playing with RL friends. I'm was an active trader on the AU when that was up. I'm being silly in public chat regularly. I really appreciate and love both games, but the argument that D2 was a more social game than D3 definitely isn't true in my case at least. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
D3 spams you with set items that dictate everything via the 5000% dmg increase set bonuses, so all you really do is collect a set in a day and then just farm numbers, greater rift levels and better stats on the set. D3 had a small fun moment when a new season started and you had to make builds around using the partial sets and uniques you found, it lasted for a day or 2. But they killed that too by giving you one set at the very start, so its truely just about increasing numbers and play the very way the devs tell you to. No creativity or experiments, just farming numbers. | ||
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
On November 08 2016 08:59 Cascade wrote: Not trying to prove any point, just my story: I played many hundreds of hours of D2, but never in public games. Only single player and LAN with friends (oh, the full-weekend game clears with wonky build combinations! :D). I Don't even know how to PvP in D2. Never ubers, no trading. I never saw many of the rare OP items and runes. I played about as much D3 (not sure which one I've spent most time on honestly), and almost always in public games unless I'm playing with RL friends. I'm was an active trader on the AU when that was up. I'm being silly in public chat regularly. I really appreciate and love both games, but the argument that D2 was a more social game than D3 definitely isn't true in my case at least. You can't speak as a D2 player if you haven't even logged on b.net or done pvp/trading/ubers etc. When you log in, half the screen is a chat room with people chatting in channels, characters/accounts, a game lobby, just like iccup. Meanwhile D3 you don't even know if anyone is online or playing. Same thing I noticed when sc2 came out (maybe they made it better now, haven't logged on sc2 in years). | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On November 08 2016 09:23 Assault_1 wrote: You can't speak as a D2 player if you haven't even logged on b.net or done pvp/trading/ubers etc. When you log in, half the screen is a chat room with people chatting in channels, characters/accounts, a game lobby, just like iccup. Meanwhile D3 you don't even know if anyone is online or playing. Same thing I noticed when sc2 came out (maybe they made it better now, haven't logged on sc2 in years). i wonder how well blizzard would do if it was as dismissive of casual players as you. not very well i would assume. also, i dont understand what you mean by not knowing if anyone is online or playing in d3. there are chat channels, clan channels, community channels, etc. you know if people are online and/or playing. it was so annoying to have to turn them all off. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On November 08 2016 09:23 Assault_1 wrote: You can't speak as a D2 player if you haven't even logged on b.net or done pvp/trading/ubers etc. Regardless of which game is better or pros/cons of each, this sort of attitude is unproductive to any discussion of the matter. As someone that didn't play nearly as much D2 as D3, I'm always interested in hearing criticism of the game (which is far from perfect) and interesting ideas to improve the game or future versions. But there's a difference between "it was better" and "it was different". | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On November 08 2016 07:19 TheHumanLife wrote: you can't do PvP in D3 if you have ancient weapon, with full 6sets, you can probably kill all opponents with one shot - one kill. And in D3, getting 6 full sets with all ancient version, and getting ancient weapons and leveling legendary gems is something everyone can do easily if they invest their times. Some classes use legendary gears instead of using 6 set gears, but mostly it is required to use 6 sets for everyone to beat high GR. And I think this mainly caused narrow choices for players, and people get easily bored by doing same obvious thing everyday whenever they play D3. At least D2 had good PvP, and finding gears and materials is much harder than D3. Wholeheartedly agree. I find the set-based builds pretty straightforward and, later on, boring. Though I do really like the fact that you get the basics of a lategame build for finishing the seasonal journey. That is pretty well dont if you ask me. So, I'm split on that  | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On November 08 2016 03:03 Faruko wrote: Diablo 2 PvP, while fun, was also garbage I loved it, but it was super bad HONESTLY Its incredibly hard to do PvP in this kind of games You should have tried the 76Legit PvP community, the level cap blocked out all the duped and hacked items and some items were banned. It was ran by players, and made for a perfectly fine PvP game. There was even room for certain niche metagame builds that would destroy some of the standard builds, leaving mindgames open for the tournaments we had. Simple limitations was enough to create a balanced and competitive playing ground. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On November 08 2016 09:23 Assault_1 wrote: You can't speak as a D2 player if you haven't even logged on b.net or done pvp/trading/ubers etc. When you log in, half the screen is a chat room with people chatting in channels, characters/accounts, a game lobby, just like iccup. Meanwhile D3 you don't even know if anyone is online or playing. Same thing I noticed when sc2 came out (maybe they made it better now, haven't logged on sc2 in years). I'm going to be blunt. I have a good career. When I want to socialize, I socialize with coworkers. Or fellow alum. Or fellow industry professionals. I don't want to socialize with gamers. Gaming time is alone time. Like daphreak, I turned off all of those channels. The vast majority of gamers are just beneath me in real life. I never did pvp. I was never interested in pvp. I quit D2 before ubers. I did some trading when I was an unemployed college student. It didn't last long. It's silly to say I can't speak as a D2 player because I never did those stuff you guys like. We can be elitist about different things. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On November 09 2016 01:30 andrewlt wrote: I'm going to be blunt. I have a good career. When I want to socialize, I socialize with coworkers. Or fellow alum. Or fellow industry professionals. I don't want to socialize with gamers. Gaming time is alone time. Like daphreak, I turned off all of those channels. The vast majority of gamers are just beneath me in real life. This might be the most embarrassing post I've read on TL. You see stuff posted like this on reddit sometimes but you kind of assume it's fake because who would actually say shit like that? I guess some of those cringe posts are very, very real. | ||
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riotjune
United States3393 Posts
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
I use to play it, a lot of public games, or sometime with IRL friends. So the PvP was litteraly win or die, you couldn't try anything :D But the grind was somewhat worse in D2 I feel. Once you reach baal runs, that's it, the game is pretty much the most boring thing you could do. That being said, I don't mind the level part of every character, and especially working your build around what you loot on the way. In the current D3 there is no point, because 15 minutes latter you will have 10 more level, and can throw most of your stuff anyway. But there could be some balance between spending you life reaching max level, and only grinding the 'endgame' stuff with perfect stats. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On November 09 2016 01:30 andrewlt wrote: I'm going to be blunt. I have a good career. When I want to socialize, I socialize with coworkers. Or fellow alum. Or fellow industry professionals. I don't want to socialize with gamers. Gaming time is alone time. Like daphreak, I turned off all of those channels. The vast majority of gamers are just beneath me in real life. I never did pvp. I was never interested in pvp. I quit D2 before ubers. I did some trading when I was an unemployed college student. It didn't last long. It's silly to say I can't speak as a D2 player because I never did those stuff you guys like. We can be elitist about different things. Thanks for this post, appreciate the laugh. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On November 09 2016 01:30 andrewlt wrote: I'm going to be blunt. I have a good career. When I want to socialize, I socialize with coworkers. Or fellow alum. Or fellow industry professionals. I don't want to socialize with gamers. Gaming time is alone time. Like daphreak, I turned off all of those channels. The vast majority of gamers are just beneath me in real life. I never did pvp. I was never interested in pvp. I quit D2 before ubers. I did some trading when I was an unemployed college student. It didn't last long. It's silly to say I can't speak as a D2 player because I never did those stuff you guys like. We can be elitist about different things. That's some spine snapping cringe to justify being a scrub! | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
I think it's just horrible that the world caters more to people who actually put the work in when 99 % of us don't. Be more noon friendly reality. By the way, all the people who did put the effort in should be brought down to my level. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:48 bo1b wrote: It's silly that I can't say I'm a doctor just because I didn't go to university for 6 years + placement. I mean Yeh, I did 1% of the work and studied how cell division works. I think it's just horrible that the world caters more to people who actually put the work in when 99 % of us don't. Be more noon friendly reality. By the way, all the people who did put the effort in should be brought down to my level. I think you meant to post this in another thread. If not, please elaborate! | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On November 09 2016 11:57 Cascade wrote: I think you meant to post this in another thread. If not, please elaborate! i think he is trying to show that casual players shouldnt have a voice in a really poor analogy. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:48 bo1b wrote: It's silly that I can't say I'm a doctor just because I didn't go to university for 6 years + placement. I mean Yeh, I did 1% of the work and studied how cell division works. I think it's just horrible that the world caters more to people who actually put the work in when 99 % of us don't. Be more noon friendly reality. By the way, all the people who did put the effort in should be brought down to my level. If you're making an analogy about why the opinion of "casual" players is irrelevant then I seriously disagree. That guy made his point EXTREMELY poorly and arrogantly. But someone that's played hundreds of hours of D2, or any game for that matter, without pushing every single feature to the limit, has just as valid a viewpoint on a game and the good and bad as they see it based on their experience. I fully sympathize with more hardcore players that want a lot of value and depth and everything out of their choice of gaming experience, and I think developers ought to take that subset of players seriously because those tend to give a game a lot of longevity. With most games I play I'd put myself in this group as well. But to tell a huge range of people they're wrong and don't know what's good for the state/future of a franchise just because they're not the bleeding edge is just dense. If someone played a ton of D2 solo and with friends when they were young and love the game, even though they didn't trade extensively or join high level groups on Bnet etc etc, you still have to deal with their perspective, even if it's not the same experience you had. For someone to literally post "You can't speak as a D2 player if you haven't even logged on b.net or done pvp/trading/ubers etc." is just as arrogant as that embarrassing statement the other guy made about gamers being beneath him lol | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
The recent discussion just brought out the Diablo 2 elitists in full force. I'm on the older side of the TL demographics and I've seen my peers either go casual, go mobile only or abandon gaming altogether. It's very short sighted for certain people to call their future dad selves as scrubs. Some dads, homeowners, managers, whatever, etc. still want to game a little and life events shouldn't exclude them from the discussion. If people want to be proud of their accomplishments, do it for something that matters. Don't do it just because you had more time and patience to grind on a videogame. This is entertainment. We're here to be entertained. I hope some people can see why former players who have grown up and accepted many adult responsibilities want to game with as little fuss as possible. I play Diablo as a coop game. I'm a team player during games. I'm nice and polite to the people I'm in game with. But I see no need to interact with the broader community. Those chat channels are a minus, not a plus. The D2 elitists need to stop passing their subjective opinion as facts. | ||
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