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I diddn't want to cope with PoE skill tree.
Even the Grim Dawn devotion tree that imo is way easier than the PoE equivalent is kinda too much for me playing casually and I'm super happy about the skill build section of the forums.
And due to the scaling and various (indirect) buffs to your attacks/spells in D3 it's hardly possible to easily compare setups.
In normal, master, etc. it's all easy. Better weapon and some synergy between your spells and it's done.
During the endgame you have to more or less know about too many interactions to be easy access.
D3 is noob friendly in the first hours but I don't find it lacking in depth for a casual player like me. I don't have the nerve to craft my build whereas in D2 it was pretty straightforward what makes sense and what not.
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The PoE skill tree while intimidating looking really isn't that bad at all to work with. There are so many tools that help you navigate it as well. At the end of the day you can only connect the dots, so you find the talents you want and then follow the route. There are conceptual decisions you need to decide but its not like every single level you need to do complex calculations on where to put your points, the vast majority will just be +10 stat, +% mana, etc., on your path to the next major node (skill).
I think D3 is a great aRPG now and I've played hundreds if not 1000+ hours over the years. I'm only disappointed because I feel content with my experience and have no real desire to play anymore. The build and character diversity just isn't there for continued play each and every season. The necro addition doesn't solve that problem to me. I was hoping for an announcement that would truly shake up the game like D4 or an expansion and complete itemization overhaul.
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Canada8158 Posts
Yeah I was really hoping for PvP in this game, but it's such a massive fuck up
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On November 07 2016 21:27 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2016 21:18 Amui wrote:On November 07 2016 14:58 Assault_1 wrote:On November 07 2016 14:02 Pr0wler wrote:On November 07 2016 13:24 Assault_1 wrote:On November 07 2016 12:54 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 07 2016 08:54 -Archangel- wrote:
It would be smarter for Blizzard to buy the Path of Exile team and let them make next Diablo game. path of exile sucks though. So does diablo 3, and the fact that they regressed in every aspect of diablo 2 except combat is really sad Combat and end game content. No one can convince me that Baal runs are better than grifts+adventure mode. I really hope for a game with d2 core mechanics, but with some endgame features other than grinding one or two bosses. Maybe D4 will be that game. D2 had a way better social aspect, as well as charms, runes, jewels, stats, skill trees, pvp, mfing, trading, up to 8 people in a game, it just felt so much better overall. They've been improving D3 over the years but to me it's still a colossal flop, it should've been so much more. I'm kinda ambivalent on the skill tree thing. D3 definitely is much more noob friendly. There's a fine line between noob friendly and completely lacking in depth.
Complexity doesn't equal depth.
When I played WoW, after every patch, I would download Rawr and let it compute the optimal talents and gear for me.
The D2 skill trees are full of crap. You generally max out the active skills you will using. Then put a few points here and there on the skills with diminishing returns.
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On November 08 2016 01:48 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2016 21:27 bo1b wrote:On November 07 2016 21:18 Amui wrote:On November 07 2016 14:58 Assault_1 wrote:On November 07 2016 14:02 Pr0wler wrote:On November 07 2016 13:24 Assault_1 wrote:On November 07 2016 12:54 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 07 2016 08:54 -Archangel- wrote:
It would be smarter for Blizzard to buy the Path of Exile team and let them make next Diablo game. path of exile sucks though. So does diablo 3, and the fact that they regressed in every aspect of diablo 2 except combat is really sad Combat and end game content. No one can convince me that Baal runs are better than grifts+adventure mode. I really hope for a game with d2 core mechanics, but with some endgame features other than grinding one or two bosses. Maybe D4 will be that game. D2 had a way better social aspect, as well as charms, runes, jewels, stats, skill trees, pvp, mfing, trading, up to 8 people in a game, it just felt so much better overall. They've been improving D3 over the years but to me it's still a colossal flop, it should've been so much more. I'm kinda ambivalent on the skill tree thing. D3 definitely is much more noob friendly. There's a fine line between noob friendly and completely lacking in depth. Complexity doesn't equal depth. When I played WoW, after every patch, I would download Rawr and let it compute the optimal talents and gear for me. The D2 skill trees are full of crap. You generally max out the active skills you will using. Then put a few points here and there on the skills with diminishing returns.
That skill tree were made 15years~ ago.
A skill tree with more brain - is that unreasonable?
When i played diablo 2, i was excited to start a new character, even if it was the same i already played.
All iam saying is, the skill trees accomplished this - - atleast i think.
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That skill tree were made 15years~ ago.
A skill tree with more brain - is that unreasonable?
When i played diablo 2, i was excited to start a new character, even if it was the same i already played.
All iam saying is, the skill trees accomplished this - - atleast i think.
Of course they did. Just when i reached lvl87 with one character i could just start the same class, but with different skillset.
And none of the skills were crap, its just that you had to find a build in which they work.
For example, Enchant certainly wasn't useful in any of the common Sorc builds, but if you take Enchant and build the whole character around it, then it suddenly becomes viable.
Of course, you had to start a new character to do this, and guess what, this is where the fun was. While leveling you get the sense of your character, its really fun to see her progress and if you happen to pick up an item that suits her perfectly, oh the joy!
With skill swapping you lose all of that, it forces the game to rely on "end game", which in turn makes the devs to come up with "end game", and guess what, its usually a terrible grind that everyone complains about. Idk what else it can be, tbh.
It seems that everyone is obsessed with "end game" these days, that they completely forego everything preceding it.
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On November 08 2016 01:48 Jer99 wrote:
Yeah I was really hoping for PvP in this game, but it's such a massive fuck up
Diablo 2 PvP, while fun, was also garbage
I loved it, but it was super bad HONESTLY
Its incredibly hard to do PvP in this kind of games
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Canada8158 Posts
It was infinitely better than Diablo 3 PvP, also mock dueling was crazy good
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On November 06 2016 01:40 -Archangel- wrote:
Seems this D1 in D3 might only be a limited option, like only 1 month in a year it would be available or something. At least some people on reddit claim so.
I would be interested in the truth or false of this statement. A collegue of mine said that too. Might buy reaper of souls for this but not iff it's a limited edition.
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On November 08 2016 04:05 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 01:40 -Archangel- wrote:
Seems this D1 in D3 might only be a limited option, like only 1 month in a year it would be available or something. At least some people on reddit claim so. I would be interested in the truth or false of this statement. A collegue of mine said that too. Might buy reaper of souls for this but not iff it's a limited edition.
its on teh front page of diablofans. it was confirmed.
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On November 08 2016 04:10 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 04:05 FFW_Rude wrote:On November 06 2016 01:40 -Archangel- wrote:
Seems this D1 in D3 might only be a limited option, like only 1 month in a year it would be available or something. At least some people on reddit claim so. I would be interested in the truth or false of this statement. A collegue of mine said that too. Might buy reaper of souls for this but not iff it's a limited edition. its on teh front page of diablofans. it was confirmed.
Oh ok thx. You saved me 30 bucks
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On November 08 2016 04:26 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 04:10 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 08 2016 04:05 FFW_Rude wrote:On November 06 2016 01:40 -Archangel- wrote:
Seems this D1 in D3 might only be a limited option, like only 1 month in a year it would be available or something. At least some people on reddit claim so. I would be interested in the truth or false of this statement. A collegue of mine said that too. Might buy reaper of souls for this but not iff it's a limited edition. its on teh front page of diablofans. it was confirmed. Oh ok thx. You saved me 30 bucks
i recall they said it would be in ptr this week. do you have to own the game/expansion to play on ptr? for some reason, i think you dont. but that doesnt make sense to me, and i dont recal why i believe that.
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Why is the diablo 1 thing only there for a month? Not sure why they wouldnt just add it to the game permanently
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On November 08 2016 04:55 Assault_1 wrote:
Why is the diablo 1 thing only there for a month? Not sure why they wouldnt just add it to the game permanently
They were probably trying to think of a way for it to make them money, but this is the best they could manage. Makes no sense at all.
On November 07 2016 14:58 Assault_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2016 14:02 Pr0wler wrote:On November 07 2016 13:24 Assault_1 wrote:On November 07 2016 12:54 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 07 2016 08:54 -Archangel- wrote:
It would be smarter for Blizzard to buy the Path of Exile team and let them make next Diablo game. path of exile sucks though. So does diablo 3, and the fact that they regressed in every aspect of diablo 2 except combat is really sad Combat and end game content. No one can convince me that Baal runs are better than grifts+adventure mode. I really hope for a game with d2 core mechanics, but with some endgame features other than grinding one or two bosses. Maybe D4 will be that game. D2 had a way better social aspect, as well as charms, runes, jewels, stats, skill trees, pvp, mfing, trading, up to 8 people in a game, it just felt so much better overall. They've been improving D3 over the years but to me it's still a colossal flop, it should've been so much more.
And this. D3 could have been so much more if they just worked with and expanded on what was already there. I also agree and feel D3 has done nothing but improve since launch, but it's not even there yet after 4+ years of patching? I think the biggest killer has been the inability to trade outside of gaming with your 3 buddies in game, as well as these sets completely dictating the power of certain skills while taking forever to make it them viable over all builds.
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On November 08 2016 02:02 Foxxan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 01:48 andrewlt wrote:On November 07 2016 21:27 bo1b wrote:On November 07 2016 21:18 Amui wrote:On November 07 2016 14:58 Assault_1 wrote:On November 07 2016 14:02 Pr0wler wrote:On November 07 2016 13:24 Assault_1 wrote:On November 07 2016 12:54 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 07 2016 08:54 -Archangel- wrote:
It would be smarter for Blizzard to buy the Path of Exile team and let them make next Diablo game. path of exile sucks though. So does diablo 3, and the fact that they regressed in every aspect of diablo 2 except combat is really sad Combat and end game content. No one can convince me that Baal runs are better than grifts+adventure mode. I really hope for a game with d2 core mechanics, but with some endgame features other than grinding one or two bosses. Maybe D4 will be that game. D2 had a way better social aspect, as well as charms, runes, jewels, stats, skill trees, pvp, mfing, trading, up to 8 people in a game, it just felt so much better overall. They've been improving D3 over the years but to me it's still a colossal flop, it should've been so much more. I'm kinda ambivalent on the skill tree thing. D3 definitely is much more noob friendly. There's a fine line between noob friendly and completely lacking in depth. Complexity doesn't equal depth. When I played WoW, after every patch, I would download Rawr and let it compute the optimal talents and gear for me. The D2 skill trees are full of crap. You generally max out the active skills you will using. Then put a few points here and there on the skills with diminishing returns. That skill tree were made 15years~ ago. A skill tree with more brain - is that unreasonable? When i played diablo 2, i was excited to start a new character, even if it was the same i already played. All iam saying is, the skill trees accomplished this - - atleast i think.
It accomplished it for a few people, not for everybody.
I was never excited to start a new character. In fact, I went into public games to get way points from other people so I could skip areas. The grind wasn't fun for me and this was when I was in college. Now that I am a mid-career experienced professional, I have even less time for grindy crap. I'm not going to create 5+ versions of the same class just so I could try new skills.
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i hate skill trees if you don't get free resets. being forced to make a new character to try a different build isn't fun
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On November 08 2016 05:42 Frolossus wrote:
i hate skill trees if you don't get free resets. being forced to make a new character to try a different build isn't fun
Didn't D2 add stat/skill resetting?
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On November 08 2016 06:11 Assault_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 05:42 Frolossus wrote:
i hate skill trees if you don't get free resets. being forced to make a new character to try a different build isn't fun Didn't D2 add stat/skill resetting?
they did. you can do it once every single difficulty at akara in act1 and you can farm tokens that get dropped by the act bosses in hell and cube them
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you can't do PvP in D3 if you have ancient weapon, with full 6sets, you can probably kill all opponents with one shot - one kill. And in D3, getting 6 full sets with all ancient version, and getting ancient weapons and leveling legendary gems is something everyone can do easily if they invest their times. Some classes use legendary gears instead of using 6 set gears, but mostly it is required to use 6 sets for everyone to beat high GR. And I think this mainly caused narrow choices for players, and people get easily bored by doing same obvious thing everyday whenever they play D3.
At least D2 had good PvP, and finding gears and materials is much harder than D3.
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On November 08 2016 07:19 TheHumanLife wrote:
At least D2 had good PvP
Everyone says this but very few take the time to explain why
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