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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-08 18:35:08
April 08 2019 18:34 GMT
#127401
Shieldbro's Malty is something special I think she's one of the most hated anime characters I've come across. I've seen nothing by disdain for how she conducts herself and I can't blame anyone. She's always there stirring up shit for the MC even when he's minding his own business and the fact that some of the other heroes are blinding following her makes it worse imo. I wish that + Show Spoiler +
Raphthalia just finished her off last episode, but apparently magic swords are useless!
Go figure why the guy gave them one...

Edit: yes, it's somewhat classic too to underestimate the enemy all the time. Kinda wish we got a smart king for once
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
April 08 2019 18:44 GMT
#127402
for the 3 other heroes I can somewhat get behind it because they're clearly just supposed to be THAT stupid. Not something i like but it's how it is. Again, to contrast how smart shieldhero is it's much easier to just make the other 3 really stupid.
Malty on the other hand really is something else though. In contrast I really liked both Joffrey and Cersei in GoT for example. Two characters that "made sense" to me given the setting and all
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18421 Posts
April 08 2019 18:48 GMT
#127403
wow the hate on Gate here is pretty sad

I enjoyed it because I didnt take it seriously. Tbh there are worse movies and tv shows that depict the "glorious heroic US military" and no one whines about them.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-08 19:28:27
April 08 2019 19:09 GMT
#127404
Sure people do, but this isn't the US Hollwood Film discussion thread, its the Anime Discussion Thread. Plus not even modern Hollywood movies are distasteful enough to have something like US Marines dropping into Africa and start mowing down natives and get depicted as heroic for it lol
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 08 2019 20:29 GMT
#127405
Let's not start a long rant about US Military funding movies to drive recruitment.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 08 2019 21:34 GMT
#127406
One can watch the worthwhile parts of Gate just by seeing clips of the battles and maybe the loli goth. Everything else felt forgettable even though the basic premise had a lot of novelty. All my enjoyment was from the power fantasy of watching a modern military dominate a fantasy setting.
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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
April 09 2019 00:21 GMT
#127407
On April 09 2019 03:34 BigFan wrote:
Shieldbro's Malty is something special I think she's one of the most hated anime characters I've come across. I've seen nothing by disdain for how she conducts herself and I can't blame anyone. She's always there stirring up shit for the MC even when he's minding his own business and the fact that some of the other heroes are blinding following her makes it worse imo. I wish that + Show Spoiler +
Raphthalia just finished her off last episode, but apparently magic swords are useless!
Go figure why the guy gave them one...

Edit: yes, it's somewhat classic too to underestimate the enemy all the time. Kinda wish we got a smart king for once

I don't hate the characters in Shieldbro because they're evil. I hate them because they're stupid. It stinks of lazy writing. I liked the show a lot better when they were just playing merchant. The drama's just annoying.



Anyways, new season, new shows.

Remember when we were talking about romcom adaptations? Bokuben is a textbook example of a lazy one.

Kono Oto Tomare is one of those school club shows, but at least the topic's unique. The drama in ep 1 sucked though, so I have very little faith it.

Dunno what to make of YU-NO. The VN's acclaimed but VN adaptations tend to be bad. Ep 1 wasn't that great.

Kimetsu no Yaiba looked pretty good. Lotta CG, but it wasn't particularly jarring (it's ufotable, so go figure). Moderately optimistic for this one.

Cinderella Nine is like Taishou Baseball Girls, except without the benefit of being in the Taishou era. Apparently it's based off a mobage? Pretty boring show.

Daiya is Daiya. I miss the third years.

I've never watched Fruits Basket but it's supposed to be a classic so I guess I'll pick up the new one.

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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
April 09 2019 05:39 GMT
#127408
i watched ep1 of three manga i'm following
senryu girl: looking good
bokuben: looking decent
hitoribocchi: hope it gets better (the mc's seiyuu is a new one and she's doing pretty well, though!)
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8516 Posts
April 09 2019 06:32 GMT
#127409
Oh a new season. I only watched Mob Psycho s2 in winter, which was solid. Looking at spring, I see P.A. Works and J.C. Staff making action adaptions. lol I'm probably only going to watch OPM s2 this season and cross my fingers for decent animation.

In other news, I'm almost done with Yuru Camp. I didn't like ep11. I hope ep12 puts a good ending to it because it was generally an enjoyable, comfy show. Although I must admit that I probably would have enjoyed 12 episodes of Rin solo camping more. I also started Casshern Sins. 5 episodes in and I get why people say its pace is slow. The actual story moves at a snail's pace. However, quite a bit has happened so far so I don't mind the slow pace of the story (yet?).

On April 09 2019 02:57 BigFan wrote:
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On April 08 2019 22:58 Miragee wrote:
On April 08 2019 16:05 BigFan wrote:
I mean, sure? You can speak up and call it BS if you like, that's your prerogative. My point was that it's understandable that some people feel that strongly towards their country and have a lot of pride and not surprisingly, Gate is popular in Japan if I'm not mistaken so there is a large crowd that digests that stuff.


No, you are wrong. You are basically saying that extreme nationalistic views and the expression of them are perfectly normal, yet we know what they have let to in the past. I don't want to derive the discussion into a political/historical direction but legitimising this degree of nationalism is definitely not a good thing but in fact sick.


I think you're taking my comment too far. There's a shit ton of movies and shows out there that have painted a country in the best light possible and no one gave a shit about them, but some random Japan guy who was apparently in the JDSF makes an anime that places them as the saviors of the world and all of a sudden, it's the biggest atrocity ever? You're obviously missing my point. I think Toad ended up touching on it well. These things exist and it's important to recognize that fact. Pride is everywhere and the Japanese are quite prideful too. That doesn't mean that we are going to end up in another war all of a sudden.

Now, at what point is it considered extremely nationalistic and concerning? I dunno, but that wasn't what I was trying to argue in the first place either so there's no point in trying to establish some arbitrary line. I watched gate for what it is, an isekai with Japan taking the lead and it was an ok watch. Good at the beginning, stumbled and got worse later on. I barely remember much from the second season so it's forgettable.


First of, I think people do give a shit if other shows and movies do something similar. I honestly can't remember watching another anime which was as far gone as Gate in this regard though. Others have given examples here so I don't need to repeat them.

Secondly, I don't argue that pride exists especially when it comes to nations. But there are different ways to approach the topic. If you have a delicate topic like that in your work of fiction I think you have the responsibility of at least showing both sides of the argument.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8516 Posts
April 12 2019 10:39 GMT
#127410
So I watched the first episode of OPM s2 and I must say I'm not really that bothered by the animation. Yes it's worse than in s1 but it's not like its horrible. Which doesn't mean I'm not disappointed; I am. But I literally couldn't watch most shows if this average level of animation bothered me, lol. I'm honestly more bothered in the change of direction. I can't really pinpoint it atm. but the way jokes are portrait, scenes change etc. feels quite different from s1 somehow.

In Casshern Sins I'm at ep7. + Show Spoiler +
Is this a harem??? Just kidding but that thought crossed my mind when yet another girl showed some sick love for the MC.
The ED is amazingly fitting for the show. If this show doesn't screw up half-way like a lot of shows do it's going to be a good one for me.

Finished Yuru Camp. It was ok. The last episode was enjoyable. I think if they had reduced the eating parts a bit I would have enjoyed it more but oh well.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
April 12 2019 15:34 GMT
#127411
I liked the first episode of OPM s2 but it's a bit hard to judge right now imo. You mention the animation changing slightly for the worse and while I do somewhat expect that to happen it's not like we've had anything that "required" good animation yet. No fights or anything else that brought the Madhouse magic on the screen s1. It's basicly just been a "getting back into OPM" episode with very little to show for.
Which honestly is fine for me. I think OPM would have been a series where you can just jump right back into action but i can see why you'd usually not do that with like 99% of other anime for a season2.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-12 21:49:00
April 12 2019 20:50 GMT
#127412
First episode of OPM was fine imo. I still got a similar vibe to the first season and honestly didn't notice these animation discrepancies or issues that have been pointed out. Heck, I didn't even realize that there was this much outrage over the animation quality. Has it really dropped that much or are people just doing their usual? lol. Now I did see a still which was funny and out of proportion, but that's all I've seen so far. Guess I should rewatch the episode to see for myself, but I'm excited to see what else goes down.

Also, finished Stellvia. Good anime, would recommend. I liked the cast overall and the pairing too. The pacing decent aside from a sudden change at one point. Some of the twists were reasonable and some could've used improvement. Pace-wise was referring + Show Spoiler +
to Shipon going from messing everything up in the first 2-3 episodes to becoming one of their best students. That was a bit hard to swallow tbh. I've much rather they went for a more gradual shift. They also never did explain why she was so good at programming, so having more info on that would've helped. However, it's also possible that there were anime limitations and they had to adapt the whole source into 2 cours. While the constant crying in later episodes felt like it stalled the show, we are talking about teenagers here so it was fine from that perspective.


On April 09 2019 09:21 Spazer wrote:
I've never watched Fruits Basket but it's supposed to be a classic so I guess I'll pick up the new one.

Fruits Basket was a fun watch when I watched it the first time it was animated. I think you'll enjoy it. How did you find the first 2 episodes?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8516 Posts
April 12 2019 22:25 GMT
#127413
Well, it's visible but people are overreacting for sure. When I skimmed through the thread on MAL I thought we would get some of the worst animation ever... Also, judging by the arguments used, I'm not really sure a lot of these people can actually tell the differences apart. People who basically call AoT and ufotable works the pinnacle of animation for example...
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
April 13 2019 00:02 GMT
#127414
On April 13 2019 05:50 BigFan wrote:
First episode of OPM was fine imo. I still got a similar vibe to the first season and honestly didn't notice these animation discrepancies or issues that have been pointed out. Heck, I didn't even realize that there was this much outrage over the animation quality. Has it really dropped that much or are people just doing their usual? lol. Now I did see a still which was funny and out of proportion, but that's all I've seen so far. Guess I should rewatch the episode to see for myself, but I'm excited to see what else goes down.

Also, finished Stellvia. Good anime, would recommend. I liked the cast overall and the pairing too. The pacing decent aside from a sudden change at one point. Some of the twists were reasonable and some could've used improvement. Pace-wise was referring + Show Spoiler +
to Shipon going from messing everything up in the first 2-3 episodes to becoming one of their best students. That was a bit hard to swallow tbh. I've much rather they went for a more gradual shift. They also never did explain why she was so good at programming, so having more info on that would've helped. However, it's also possible that there were anime limitations and they had to adapt the whole source into 2 cours. While the constant crying in later episodes felt like it stalled the show, we are talking about teenagers here so it was fine from that perspective.

I still maintain that the original OPM webcomic is superior to both Murata's manga and the anime. While the art/animation in the latter two are really good, they both kinda go against the central theme of the work. There's too much emphasis placed on flashy fights when they're not supposed to be the focal point of the series. I do wonder what they'll do with the end of the Garou arc, but beyond that, I don't have much interest in the adaptations anymore.

Stellvia felt like it was just repeating itself in the second half of the show. + Show Spoiler +
It was like all of Shipon's development got retconned and she had do it all over again. Weird stuff.

She's just a genius that's good at programming. As far as skills go, it's pretty mundane so I didn't think about it much.
Still, I liked the show well enough.

On April 13 2019 05:50 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2019 09:21 Spazer wrote:
I've never watched Fruits Basket but it's supposed to be a classic so I guess I'll pick up the new one.

Fruits Basket was a fun watch when I watched it the first time it was animated. I think you'll enjoy it. How did you find the first 2 episodes?

Only watched ep 1 so far. It's not bad. Very shoujo.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-13 01:37:41
April 13 2019 01:36 GMT
#127415
Anyone here watching Bocchi? Man do I feel bad for the MC.

On April 13 2019 07:25 Miragee wrote:
Well, it's visible but people are overreacting for sure. When I skimmed through the thread on MAL I thought we would get some of the worst animation ever... Also, judging by the arguments used, I'm not really sure a lot of these people can actually tell the differences apart. People who basically call AoT and ufotable works the pinnacle of animation for example...

Fair points all around. Agree. It's likely there to some degree, but nowhere as bad as some people are claiming. BTW, if you want to continue that GATE convo from the other day, message me since I don't want this to go offtopic.

On April 13 2019 09:02 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2019 05:50 BigFan wrote:
First episode of OPM was fine imo. I still got a similar vibe to the first season and honestly didn't notice these animation discrepancies or issues that have been pointed out. Heck, I didn't even realize that there was this much outrage over the animation quality. Has it really dropped that much or are people just doing their usual? lol. Now I did see a still which was funny and out of proportion, but that's all I've seen so far. Guess I should rewatch the episode to see for myself, but I'm excited to see what else goes down.

Also, finished Stellvia. Good anime, would recommend. I liked the cast overall and the pairing too. The pacing decent aside from a sudden change at one point. Some of the twists were reasonable and some could've used improvement. Pace-wise was referring + Show Spoiler +
to Shipon going from messing everything up in the first 2-3 episodes to becoming one of their best students. That was a bit hard to swallow tbh. I've much rather they went for a more gradual shift. They also never did explain why she was so good at programming, so having more info on that would've helped. However, it's also possible that there were anime limitations and they had to adapt the whole source into 2 cours. While the constant crying in later episodes felt like it stalled the show, we are talking about teenagers here so it was fine from that perspective.

I still maintain that the original OPM webcomic is superior to both Murata's manga and the anime. While the art/animation in the latter two are really good, they both kinda go against the central theme of the work. There's too much emphasis placed on flashy fights when they're not supposed to be the focal point of the series. I do wonder what they'll do with the end of the Garou arc, but beyond that, I don't have much interest in the adaptations anymore.

Stellvia felt like it was just repeating itself in the second half of the show. + Show Spoiler +
It was like all of Shipon's development got retconned and she had do it all over again. Weird stuff.

She's just a genius that's good at programming. As far as skills go, it's pretty mundane so I didn't think about it much.
Still, I liked the show well enough.

Show nested quote +
On April 13 2019 05:50 BigFan wrote:
On April 09 2019 09:21 Spazer wrote:
I've never watched Fruits Basket but it's supposed to be a classic so I guess I'll pick up the new one.

Fruits Basket was a fun watch when I watched it the first time it was animated. I think you'll enjoy it. How did you find the first 2 episodes?

Only watched ep 1 so far. It's not bad. Very shoujo.

I never read the webcomic so I have no clue how it compares to the manga and anime. The anime is where I was first exposed to it and I have to say that it was awesome. Well, how did the former address the action then? Was there less of it or much less emphasis as in less shown?

Stellvia: + Show Spoiler +
hmm, it was definitely odd to see her recede back to her former self. I presume you're talking about her skills and confidence, or only the latter? I interpreted it as her finally hitting a wall that she couldn't overcome and struggling to cope well with it seeing as the show made sure to make it somewhat clear. I mean, sure, she hit a wall earlier with the piloting and such, but in comparison, this was much rougher to break through. After all, she kept struggling with the system while Kouta just managed it well enough. I would say the biggest problem was that she closed herself off to everyone and had a hard time even explaining why she felt as she did. Then she kept crying every time this was mentioned, before eventually going back to the old system.

I mean, sure, but she's also pretty young and there was never any indication that she even had an interest in programming. Granted, it's not that big of a deal but hints to it would've been nice (aside from the first pilot test).


Glad to see episode 1 had a good impression. I think the rest of the anime should be just as good. I liked episode 2 as well, tohru is the best!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8986 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-13 01:39:24
April 13 2019 01:37 GMT
#127416
Seriously? You're taking the webcomic drawn by ONE over Murata? He's taking the webcomic and adding way better visuals. Different tastes/strokes and all that I suppose.

My friend mentioned that he was disappointed by the animation but after I watched it, it seemed fine. Nothing major is happening so my bar is low. But once the fighting starts and they decide to gloss/skip over certain parts of the manga, then I'll cut a bitch.

Bungou Stray Dogs S3 is out. I'm pretty up to date with the manga and I have no idea what is going on. But I love BSG, so I'll watch no matter what.
On April 13 2019 10:36 BigFan wrote:
Anyone here watching Bocchi? Man do I feel bad for the MC.

Show nested quote +
On April 13 2019 07:25 Miragee wrote:
Well, it's visible but people are overreacting for sure. When I skimmed through the thread on MAL I thought we would get some of the worst animation ever... Also, judging by the arguments used, I'm not really sure a lot of these people can actually tell the differences apart. People who basically call AoT and ufotable works the pinnacle of animation for example...

Fair points all around. Agree. It's likely there to some degree, but nowhere as bad as some people are claiming. BTW, if you want to continue that GATE convo from the other day, message me since I don't want this to go offtopic.

Show nested quote +
On April 13 2019 09:02 Spazer wrote:
On April 13 2019 05:50 BigFan wrote:
First episode of OPM was fine imo. I still got a similar vibe to the first season and honestly didn't notice these animation discrepancies or issues that have been pointed out. Heck, I didn't even realize that there was this much outrage over the animation quality. Has it really dropped that much or are people just doing their usual? lol. Now I did see a still which was funny and out of proportion, but that's all I've seen so far. Guess I should rewatch the episode to see for myself, but I'm excited to see what else goes down.

Also, finished Stellvia. Good anime, would recommend. I liked the cast overall and the pairing too. The pacing decent aside from a sudden change at one point. Some of the twists were reasonable and some could've used improvement. Pace-wise was referring + Show Spoiler +
to Shipon going from messing everything up in the first 2-3 episodes to becoming one of their best students. That was a bit hard to swallow tbh. I've much rather they went for a more gradual shift. They also never did explain why she was so good at programming, so having more info on that would've helped. However, it's also possible that there were anime limitations and they had to adapt the whole source into 2 cours. While the constant crying in later episodes felt like it stalled the show, we are talking about teenagers here so it was fine from that perspective.

I still maintain that the original OPM webcomic is superior to both Murata's manga and the anime. While the art/animation in the latter two are really good, they both kinda go against the central theme of the work. There's too much emphasis placed on flashy fights when they're not supposed to be the focal point of the series. I do wonder what they'll do with the end of the Garou arc, but beyond that, I don't have much interest in the adaptations anymore.

Stellvia felt like it was just repeating itself in the second half of the show. + Show Spoiler +
It was like all of Shipon's development got retconned and she had do it all over again. Weird stuff.

She's just a genius that's good at programming. As far as skills go, it's pretty mundane so I didn't think about it much.
Still, I liked the show well enough.

On April 13 2019 05:50 BigFan wrote:
On April 09 2019 09:21 Spazer wrote:
I've never watched Fruits Basket but it's supposed to be a classic so I guess I'll pick up the new one.

Fruits Basket was a fun watch when I watched it the first time it was animated. I think you'll enjoy it. How did you find the first 2 episodes?

Only watched ep 1 so far. It's not bad. Very shoujo.

I never read the webcomic so I have no clue how it compares to the manga and anime. The anime is where I was first exposed to it and I have to say that it was awesome. Well, how did the former address the action then? Was there less of it or much less emphasis as in less shown?

Stellvia: + Show Spoiler +
hmm, it was definitely odd to see her recede back to her former self. I presume you're talking about her skills and confidence, or only the latter? I interpreted it as her finally hitting a wall that she couldn't overcome and struggling to cope well with it seeing as the show made sure to make it somewhat clear. I mean, sure, she hit a wall earlier with the piloting and such, but in comparison, this was much rougher to break through. After all, she kept struggling with the system while Kouta just managed it well enough. I would say the biggest problem was that she closed herself off to everyone and had a hard time even explaining why she felt as she did. Then she kept crying every time this was mentioned, before eventually going back to the old system.

I mean, sure, but she's also pretty young and there was never any indication that she even had an interest in programming. Granted, it's not that big of a deal but hints to it would've been nice (aside from the first pilot test).


Glad to see episode 1 had a good impression. I think the rest of the anime should be just as good. I liked episode 2 as well, tohru is the best!

The anime drew directly from the manga. Like, the Boros vs Saitama fight is almost panel by panel. The manga is derived from ONE with ONE's direction. So it isn't like they're deviating massively.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
April 13 2019 05:53 GMT
#127417
On April 13 2019 10:37 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Seriously? You're taking the webcomic drawn by ONE over Murata? He's taking the webcomic and adding way better visuals. Different tastes/strokes and all that I suppose.

My friend mentioned that he was disappointed by the animation but after I watched it, it seemed fine. Nothing major is happening so my bar is low. But once the fighting starts and they decide to gloss/skip over certain parts of the manga, then I'll cut a bitch.

Bungou Stray Dogs S3 is out. I'm pretty up to date with the manga and I have no idea what is going on. But I love BSG, so I'll watch no matter what.
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2019 10:36 BigFan wrote:
Anyone here watching Bocchi? Man do I feel bad for the MC.

On April 13 2019 07:25 Miragee wrote:
Well, it's visible but people are overreacting for sure. When I skimmed through the thread on MAL I thought we would get some of the worst animation ever... Also, judging by the arguments used, I'm not really sure a lot of these people can actually tell the differences apart. People who basically call AoT and ufotable works the pinnacle of animation for example...

Fair points all around. Agree. It's likely there to some degree, but nowhere as bad as some people are claiming. BTW, if you want to continue that GATE convo from the other day, message me since I don't want this to go offtopic.

On April 13 2019 09:02 Spazer wrote:
On April 13 2019 05:50 BigFan wrote:
First episode of OPM was fine imo. I still got a similar vibe to the first season and honestly didn't notice these animation discrepancies or issues that have been pointed out. Heck, I didn't even realize that there was this much outrage over the animation quality. Has it really dropped that much or are people just doing their usual? lol. Now I did see a still which was funny and out of proportion, but that's all I've seen so far. Guess I should rewatch the episode to see for myself, but I'm excited to see what else goes down.

Also, finished Stellvia. Good anime, would recommend. I liked the cast overall and the pairing too. The pacing decent aside from a sudden change at one point. Some of the twists were reasonable and some could've used improvement. Pace-wise was referring + Show Spoiler +
to Shipon going from messing everything up in the first 2-3 episodes to becoming one of their best students. That was a bit hard to swallow tbh. I've much rather they went for a more gradual shift. They also never did explain why she was so good at programming, so having more info on that would've helped. However, it's also possible that there were anime limitations and they had to adapt the whole source into 2 cours. While the constant crying in later episodes felt like it stalled the show, we are talking about teenagers here so it was fine from that perspective.

I still maintain that the original OPM webcomic is superior to both Murata's manga and the anime. While the art/animation in the latter two are really good, they both kinda go against the central theme of the work. There's too much emphasis placed on flashy fights when they're not supposed to be the focal point of the series. I do wonder what they'll do with the end of the Garou arc, but beyond that, I don't have much interest in the adaptations anymore.

Stellvia felt like it was just repeating itself in the second half of the show. + Show Spoiler +
It was like all of Shipon's development got retconned and she had do it all over again. Weird stuff.

She's just a genius that's good at programming. As far as skills go, it's pretty mundane so I didn't think about it much.
Still, I liked the show well enough.

On April 13 2019 05:50 BigFan wrote:
On April 09 2019 09:21 Spazer wrote:
I've never watched Fruits Basket but it's supposed to be a classic so I guess I'll pick up the new one.

Fruits Basket was a fun watch when I watched it the first time it was animated. I think you'll enjoy it. How did you find the first 2 episodes?

Only watched ep 1 so far. It's not bad. Very shoujo.

I never read the webcomic so I have no clue how it compares to the manga and anime. The anime is where I was first exposed to it and I have to say that it was awesome. Well, how did the former address the action then? Was there less of it or much less emphasis as in less shown?

Stellvia: + Show Spoiler +
hmm, it was definitely odd to see her recede back to her former self. I presume you're talking about her skills and confidence, or only the latter? I interpreted it as her finally hitting a wall that she couldn't overcome and struggling to cope well with it seeing as the show made sure to make it somewhat clear. I mean, sure, she hit a wall earlier with the piloting and such, but in comparison, this was much rougher to break through. After all, she kept struggling with the system while Kouta just managed it well enough. I would say the biggest problem was that she closed herself off to everyone and had a hard time even explaining why she felt as she did. Then she kept crying every time this was mentioned, before eventually going back to the old system.

I mean, sure, but she's also pretty young and there was never any indication that she even had an interest in programming. Granted, it's not that big of a deal but hints to it would've been nice (aside from the first pilot test).


Glad to see episode 1 had a good impression. I think the rest of the anime should be just as good. I liked episode 2 as well, tohru is the best!

The anime drew directly from the manga. Like, the Boros vs Saitama fight is almost panel by panel. The manga is derived from ONE with ONE's direction. So it isn't like they're deviating massively.

Yes, seriously.

I don't mind that Murata's art is better, or that the anime has good animation. Hell, I originally got into the series because of Murata's manga, and only picked up the webcomic afterwards.

Yeah, ONE helps out with the adaptations, but they're still not the same. The focus is entirely different. For instance, take Sonic. In the manga and anime, he gets a bunch of cool scenes where he shows off his amazing speed in cool sequences.

Meanwhile, in the webcomic...
+ Show Spoiler [An amazing page of Sonic] +
[image loading]

DODODODODO


Fights are not emphasized at all in the original. They might take up a bunch of panels, but it's typically the dialogue or the idea being presented by the fight that matters. With how crude ONE's artstyle is, fights happen, but tend not to leave a visual impact. People like his work because of the writing, not the art.

Conversely, fights are absolutely a selling point in the manga and anime, and it alters the work to a significant degree. Why do you think Murata's manga got a brand new tournament arc? Yeah, it set up details for the next arc, but it was ultimately an excuse to draw a couple fights between cannon fodder and a couple more fights between people who aren't cannon fodder. It felt like filler, and really killed the pacing of the manga.
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April 13 2019 07:59 GMT
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Just felt like I'd point this out in case anyone has the wrong idea, Murata only draws the manga. ONE is 100% writing it and even provides storyboards for everything that happens in the manga. Murata's influence on the way the story folds out in the manga is minimal.
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On April 13 2019 09:02 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2019 05:50 BigFan wrote:
First episode of OPM was fine imo. I still got a similar vibe to the first season and honestly didn't notice these animation discrepancies or issues that have been pointed out. Heck, I didn't even realize that there was this much outrage over the animation quality. Has it really dropped that much or are people just doing their usual? lol. Now I did see a still which was funny and out of proportion, but that's all I've seen so far. Guess I should rewatch the episode to see for myself, but I'm excited to see what else goes down.

Also, finished Stellvia. Good anime, would recommend. I liked the cast overall and the pairing too. The pacing decent aside from a sudden change at one point. Some of the twists were reasonable and some could've used improvement. Pace-wise was referring + Show Spoiler +
to Shipon going from messing everything up in the first 2-3 episodes to becoming one of their best students. That was a bit hard to swallow tbh. I've much rather they went for a more gradual shift. They also never did explain why she was so good at programming, so having more info on that would've helped. However, it's also possible that there were anime limitations and they had to adapt the whole source into 2 cours. While the constant crying in later episodes felt like it stalled the show, we are talking about teenagers here so it was fine from that perspective.

I still maintain that the original OPM webcomic is superior to both Murata's manga and the anime. While the art/animation in the latter two are really good, they both kinda go against the central theme of the work. There's too much emphasis placed on flashy fights when they're not supposed to be the focal point of the series. I do wonder what they'll do with the end of the Garou arc, but beyond that, I don't have much interest in the adaptations anymore.


Well, I get exactly what you mean. However, I thought the anime actually didn't do a bad job of putting emphasis on mundane scenes for by the use of sakuga in "random" situations. Here is an example:


On April 13 2019 10:36 BigFan wrote:
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On April 13 2019 07:25 Miragee wrote:
Well, it's visible but people are overreacting for sure. When I skimmed through the thread on MAL I thought we would get some of the worst animation ever... Also, judging by the arguments used, I'm not really sure a lot of these people can actually tell the differences apart. People who basically call AoT and ufotable works the pinnacle of animation for example...

Fair points all around. Agree. It's likely there to some degree, but nowhere as bad as some people are claiming. BTW, if you want to continue that GATE convo from the other day, message me since I don't want this to go offtopic.


I mean, the animation in OPM s1 was top notch for a TV series. S2 so far looks like the average show, which is quite a bit below that but not complete garbage.
As for Gate, I'm not really interested in spending more time talking about that but I appreciate the offer.
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The problem with S2 of OPM for me is that JC staff is a fine studio, they're by no means a terrible studio animation-wise.

But they're mostly fine for mundane stuff, for anything action I find them to be incredibly sub-par.

Slice of life JC staff anime? Sure

Action JC staff anime? Meh
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