EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 6370
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Slaughter
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Battleship789
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Spazer
Canada8031 Posts
But whatever. It's distasteful, but every country has their own brand of tone-deaf self-fellating media. IMO, the most amusing part of the whole thing is how the story still succumbed to the typical isekai stereotypes - a harem end and awful character arcs. At least it didn't have game mechanics? | ||
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Sentenal
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riotjune
United States3393 Posts
Speaking of which, I recently spent $200 trying to pull a character/card (because she was voiced by Maaya Sakamoto) from a gacha game and failing horribly, thus making me swear off spending money on any gacha game ever  | ||
BigFan
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I would've liked it if the show at least made the other nations in our world more relevant or made the visitors at least put up a fight instead of the one-sided slaughter every time (first time was ok since it was unexpected). But after the first couple of episodes, the show became a bit too harem-y and went down the hill. On the bright side, it was at least better than other weird isekai anime like that silly smartphone one -_- | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On April 08 2019 14:23 riotjune wrote: I've always thought Escaflowne started off really good, then ended on a really bad note like they ran out of budget/ideas or something. And the movie was kinda pointless, should've been a continuing story from the series. Speaking of which, I recently spent $200 trying to pull a character/card (because she was voiced by Maaya Sakamoto) from a gacha game and failing horribly, thus making me swear off spending money on any gacha game ever Man I hated that movie. I do agree the series started out stronger than how it ended, but I don't think it ended on a bad note... More of a rushed note. | ||
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BigFan
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Slaughter
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Numy
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Sentenal
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On April 08 2019 16:05 BigFan wrote: I mean, sure? You can speak up and call it BS if you like, that's your prerogative. My point was that it's understandable that some people feel that strongly towards their country and have a lot of pride and not surprisingly, Gate is popular in Japan if I'm not mistaken so there is a large crowd that digests that stuff. You also said we were being too harsh on it lol. The show gets all the flack it deserves IMO | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
The best thing you can say about Gate is that it didn't have any levels and the main character didn't end up as a lvl 999 imba cheater beater. But he then again he has guns and rocket launchers and better close combat skills than soldiers from a world without gunpowder who train their entire lives in close combat, so pretty close to that. | ||
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Miragee
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On April 08 2019 16:05 BigFan wrote: I mean, sure? You can speak up and call it BS if you like, that's your prerogative. My point was that it's understandable that some people feel that strongly towards their country and have a lot of pride and not surprisingly, Gate is popular in Japan if I'm not mistaken so there is a large crowd that digests that stuff. No, you are wrong. You are basically saying that extreme nationalistic views and the expression of them are perfectly normal, yet we know what they have let to in the past. I don't want to derive the discussion into a political/historical direction but legitimising this degree of nationalism is definitely not a good thing but in fact sick. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
There are tons of British/US movies, especially some 10-20 years ago, that have either the russians or germans as the evil guys with said evil guys being just as stupid/drunk on the job while the hero singlehandely infiltrates some military base and takes out half the people there and getting out unseen again. I'll give them that they usually don't glorify killing helpless people as much as GATE did in that the russian soldier sleeping on the job, vodka bottle in hand, while supposedly guarding some checkpoint usually has a gun and at least has the theoretical chance to kill the hero in those movies though. You know, rather than having the AoE/CIV scenario of making someone fight a tank with a group of spearmen that is GATE. That being said, yeah obviously the 2nd part is what's problematic about the series. The first thing I can shrug off as just being silly/bad rather than problematic though. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On April 08 2019 16:05 BigFan wrote: I mean, sure? You can speak up and call it BS if you like, that's your prerogative. My point was that it's understandable that some people feel that strongly towards their country and have a lot of pride and not surprisingly, Gate is popular in Japan if I'm not mistaken so there is a large crowd that digests that stuff. For most countries I'd give it a pass and ignore it up to a certain point. But gate went beyond that point. Wanting to wank your own country a bit? Sure whatever. But the nationalism displayed in something like gate is just off-putting to me. And doubly so for a country with japan's past, the way Gate was written was just incredibly off-putting overall. On April 09 2019 01:55 Toadesstern wrote: i can def see where BigFan is comming from. I wouldn't call it a good thing that those things exist but they surely do exist en masse. There are tons of British/US movies, especially some 10-20 years ago, that have either the russians or germans as the evil guys with said evil guys being just as stupid/drunk on the job while the hero singlehandely infiltrates some military base and takes out half the people there and getting out unseen again. I'll give them that they usually don't glorify killing helpless people as much as GATE did in that the russian soldier sleeping on the job, vodka bottle in hand, while supposedly guarding some checkpoint usually has a gun and at least has the theoretical chance to kill the hero in those movies though. You know, rather than having the AoE/CIV scenario of making someone fight a tank with a group of spearmen that is GATE. Gate decided to have every other country be baddies and japan the only glorious saviour of these savage people living with ancient technology, while japan also slaughters said people in absolutely one-sided fights, repeatedly. It's a bit different to me. Especially considering japan's past. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 09 2019 01:57 Unleashing wrote: For most countries I'd give it a pass and ignore it up to a certain point. But gate went beyond that point. Wanting to wank your own country a bit? Sure whatever. But the nationalism displayed in something like gate is just off-putting to me. And doubly so for a country with japan's past, the way Gate was written was just incredibly off-putting overall. Gate decided to have every other country be baddies and japan the only glorious saviour of these savage people living with ancient technology, while japan also slaughters said people in absolutely one-sided fights, repeatedly. It's a bit different to me. Especially considering japan's past. sry, edited a last sentence in before I saw your post just to clarify a bit. On the 3 other countries: I don't think they really matter that much. Maybe it's different with the LNs going beyond the Anime but by just watching anime they felt very irrelevant and it 99% focuses on JP interaction with isekai and vice versa. So that part I just shrug and think it's silly. | ||
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BigFan
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On April 08 2019 22:58 Miragee wrote: No, you are wrong. You are basically saying that extreme nationalistic views and the expression of them are perfectly normal, yet we know what they have let to in the past. I don't want to derive the discussion into a political/historical direction but legitimising this degree of nationalism is definitely not a good thing but in fact sick. I think you're taking my comment too far. There's a shit ton of movies and shows out there that have painted a country in the best light possible and no one gave a shit about them, but some random Japan guy who was apparently in the JDSF makes an anime that places them as the saviors of the world and all of a sudden, it's the biggest atrocity ever? You're obviously missing my point. I think Toad ended up touching on it well. These things exist and it's important to recognize that fact. Pride is everywhere and the Japanese are quite prideful too. That doesn't mean that we are going to end up in another war all of a sudden. Now, at what point is it considered extremely nationalistic and concerning? I dunno, but that wasn't what I was trying to argue in the first place either so there's no point in trying to establish some arbitrary line. I watched gate for what it is, an isekai with Japan taking the lead and it was an ok watch. Good at the beginning, stumbled and got worse later on. I barely remember much from the second season so it's forgettable. On April 09 2019 01:57 Unleashing wrote: For most countries I'd give it a pass and ignore it up to a certain point. But gate went beyond that point. Wanting to wank your own country a bit? Sure whatever. But the nationalism displayed in something like gate is just off-putting to me. And doubly so for a country with japan's past, the way Gate was written was just incredibly off-putting overall. At what point do you feel this anime crossed this line for you? I ask out of curiosity. Do you think it's the constant slaughter (think we only had 2 cases, the first encounter then the town portion)? The constant praising of the JDSF as thee peace force? On April 09 2019 02:07 Toadesstern wrote: sry, edited a last sentence in before I saw your post just to clarify a bit. On the 3 other countries: I don't think they really matter that much. Maybe it's different with the LNs going beyond the Anime but by just watching anime they felt very irrelevant and it 99% focuses on JP interaction with isekai and vice versa. So that part I just shrug and think it's silly. Indeed. The three countries barely even had a presence beside that one funny episode where they all went in to take the other inhabitants. Was there even anything else shown from them aside from that? I just remember this and them watching as Japan marched through the gate or maybe watching as they underwent that trial. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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BigFan
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Watching Shieldhero last week with neo had us both kinda cringe at how stupid red haired evil girl is. She isn't doing anything because it would make sense from her pov (imo), the story just clearly needs a villain so she does these silly evil things while everyone is around her and can see her being evil because that's what's needed for the story. There are some exceptions here and there but anime usually is not very good at depicting villains because it's so focused on how the author wants the Hero to be seen and how to best make him hero-esque rather than what someone on the other side would do. Same thing with romance/love btw. | ||
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