EPTAnd I see nothing wrong with discussing the anime here, but as people have mentioned you might get spoiled if you don't keep up with the manga as well. From what I've watched of the anime, there are some golden moments (as well as some pretty awesome fillers): I liked the series when they were in sector 8 or whatever that marine base was called haha
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Navi
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And I see nothing wrong with discussing the anime here, but as people have mentioned you might get spoiled if you don't keep up with the manga as well. From what I've watched of the anime, there are some golden moments (as well as some pretty awesome fillers): I liked the series when they were in sector 8 or whatever that marine base was called haha | ||
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MuK_x
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"In ancient Greek religion and myth, Pluto was a name for the ruler of the underworld" "In the ancient Greek religion, Zeus was the "Father of Gods and men who ruled the Olympians of Mount Olympus as a father ruled the family. He was the god of sky and thunder in Greek mythology" "Poseidon was the god of the sea, earthquakes and horse" Pluto was a ship plan a.k.a Sea ruler. Poseidon is mermaid princess a.k.a god of the sea. now you should look at Zeus.  | ||
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proxY_
United States1561 Posts
On December 12 2011 09:41 MuK_x wrote: i couldn't agree more with this post. Enel was strong as Admirals,maybe stronger than Admirals. but i think Enel vs BlackBeard is tight match,enel is slightly favored. blackbeard's devil fruits isnt joke. Not to get all fanboyish here but Enel doesn't have anything on any of the admirals, Blackbeard, or really any of the high tier characters for that matter. ![[image loading]](http://i23.mangareader.net/one-piece/282/one-piece-60625.jpg) Oda all but says it on that page. Enel had a very powerful fruit and he could use one type of haki but his fruit led him to be overconfident and slack off in other areas, hes nothing without it. Conversely the admirals would all be ridiculous even without their overpowered fruits. Enel wouldn't last five minutes against a high tier haki user like Rayleigh. I'm not sure where all this Enel talk is coming from too, I don't really think he has a place in the current series, its possible he could reappear at some point but no more likely than say Rob Lucci to show back up again. | ||
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MuK_x
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On December 12 2011 10:09 proxY_ wrote: + Show Spoiler + Not to get all fanboyish here but Enel doesn't have anything on any of the admirals, Blackbeard, or really any of the high tier characters for that matter. Oda all but says it on that page. Enel had a very powerful fruit and he could use one type of haki but his fruit led him to be overconfident and slack off in other areas, hes nothing without it. Conversely the admirals would all be ridiculous even without their overpowered fruits. Enel wouldn't last five minutes against a high tier haki user like Rayleigh. I'm not sure where all this Enel talk is coming from too, I don't really think he has a place in the current series, its possible he could reappear at some point but no more likely than say Rob Lucci to show back up again. what? Enel fighting with a lot of styles and has strong mantra as Rayleigh's. This guy just beat Robin,knight of the sky,Zoro,Shandian warrior on 4 versus 1 fight..He lose to Luffy because you know Luffy his only nemesis/weakness in One Piece world. also you must read last page for Enel talk. ^^ | ||
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rei
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On December 12 2011 09:54 MuK_x wrote: Also another thing from mythology "In ancient Greek religion and myth, Pluto was a name for the ruler of the underworld" "In the ancient Greek religion, Zeus was the "Father of Gods and men who ruled the Olympians of Mount Olympus as a father ruled the family. He was the god of sky and thunder in Greek mythology" "Poseidon was the god of the sea, earthquakes and horse" Pluto was a ship plan a.k.a Sea ruler. Poseidon is mermaid princess a.k.a god of the sea. now you should look at Zeus. Looking at it through this logic it doesn't make since to me. Pluto was the lord of the underworld which would imo not make since to make it be a ship if they were going by themes. Pluto Which could very well mean that if zeus is the third weapon if one even exists then it could have nothing to do with lightning at all. | ||
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MuK_x
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On December 12 2011 11:08 terranghost wrote: Looking at it through this logic it doesn't make since to me. Pluto was the lord of the underworld which would imo not make since to make it be a ship if they were going by themes. Pluto Which could very well mean that if zeus is the third weapon if one even exists then it could have nothing to do with lightning at all. Also "Pluto received the rule of the underworld in a three-way division of sovereignty over the world, with his brothers Zeus ruling Heaven and Poseidon the Sea" Pluto was a ship plan a.k.a Sea ruler. that was just prediction,i has no idea about Pluton because Franky destroyed pluton plans.Pluton was obviously a ship but we dont know design.Pluton was strong and has power for destroying One Piece world. and "Poseidon was the god of the sea, earthquakes and horse" "Poseidon is mermaid princess a.k.a god of the sea." This is obvious,this ancient weapons has some bond with mythologly.Probably with Enel to. Look at this videos: Enel known as "Lord of Thunders". the facts: Poseidon is living under 10 000 meters of sea. Skypie is 10 000 meters up from sea. | ||
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proxY_
United States1561 Posts
On December 12 2011 10:36 rei wrote: proxY_ you said "Enel wouldn't last five minutes against a high tier haki user like Rayleigh" Tell me how do Rayleigh get anywhere close to Enel to use his haki on him, when Enel knows what's Rayleigh is thinking and location miles away? More like Rayleigh is ganna get snipe 10 miles away before he even come into visual contact with Enel. Only one who can get into Enel's range at will is Kizaru with his speed of light which is faster than speed of lightning. A pre-gears Luffy who is no where near as powerful as he is currently beat Enel. Yes, Luffy obviously had the advantage of being able to hit Enel and be immune to his lightning attacks (attacks which Zoro, Robin, and Sanji all took and were able to get up from in a relatively short span of time). You honestly think that a high tier haki user who can use color of armament to hit Enel and repel the lightning as well as use color of observation to precog Enel's attacks and whose leagues faster and stronger than Luffy was at that point in the story wouldn't have a field day with him? Seriously? The author put in a panel where Luffy flat out tells Enel that there are lots of guys in the sea below whose strength Enel can't even fathom, how is that not confirmation that Enel is not one of the strongest characters in the story. /end silly fanboy rant | ||
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Sentenal
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Dark_Chill
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If we're talking about really strong characters, the strongest one is probably Kuma imo. | ||
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MuK_x
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On December 12 2011 11:23 proxY_ wrote: A pre-gears Luffy who is no where near as powerful as he is currently beat Enel. Yes, Luffy obviously had the advantage of being able to hit Enel and be immune to his lightning attacks (attacks which Zoro, Robin, and Sanji all took and were able to get up from in a relatively short span of time). You honestly think that a high tier haki user who can use color of armament to hit Enel and repel the lightning as well as use color of observation to precog Enel's attacks and whose leagues faster and stronger than Luffy was at that point in the story wouldn't have a field day with him? Seriously? The author put in a panel where Luffy flat out tells Enel that there are lots of guys in the sea below whose strength Enel can't even fathom, how is that not confirmation that Enel is not one of the strongest characters in the story. /end silly fanboy rant your answer is here. On December 12 2011 11:26 Sentenal wrote: Enel is strong, and honestly I'd put him in the same tier as the Admirals and people like them. People who use Haki could probably find ways to fight/defend against him. It would probably take someone like Whitebeard (RIP) to really thrash Enel. I'm 100% sure that someone like Whitebeard would beat the crap out of Enel. Everyone other haki-capable character in the top tier of characters would likely have a pretty even match with him. i think Enel a little stronger than Sentenal's thoughts,but im okay with that... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On December 12 2011 11:36 Dark_Chill wrote: There's no denying that Enel is strong, but right now, there are plenty of people who could beat him. Most logia types now would kill him, because they know how to use haki and can use their own logia powers to not get hit. Also, if Rayleigh can stop Kizaru's movement, he can most likely dodge Enel's moves. Remember, Ganfall dodged Enel no problem. If we're talking about really strong characters, the strongest one is probably Kuma imo. and you isnt Enel Mantra master? this guy just heard ALL skypie island with his mantra/lightining powers. Enel is just strong as ANY top tier One Piece character. Also Kuma is a strong character,im agreeing with this. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
I agree if all the strong character in one piece somehow able to get into striking range to hit Enel then ya they can rape the shit out of Enel, but how can they get close to someone who has the speed of lightning, a fucking sensor that is 10s of miles wide with precision that can read thoughts, and an attack with that same range. Enel can easily kite the shit out of anyone while nuking them. I'm basing this with simple logic, how can you guys not follow this? where's the logic in saying someone with haki can own the shit out of Enel when they can't even get in range to hit him? | ||
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Hyperbola
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nootropics
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A high tier haki user would be able to take his long distance attacks, may even be able to mask their own presence, and sneak up to him, dodge his attacks. Rayleigh would make quick work of him in a straight up fight, because i don't believe Enel has experience with high tier battles like the admirals, warlords, emperors. I agree he is one of the more powerful characters of one piece, but hes a class below the highest levels. | ||
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Squalish
United States137 Posts
On December 12 2011 12:11 rei wrote: I'm basing this with simple logic, how can you guys not follow this? where's the logic in saying someone with haki can own the shit out of Enel when they can't even get in range to hit him? 1: That isn't his fighting style (he is cocky and arrogant and wouldn't run from a fight) 2: People could sneak up on him (as already happened in skypea arc, not even haki users did it) 3: People are much FASTER than him, even if he did run around nuking in your own fantasy OP world, they would CATCH him. 4: He is not admiral level, all admirals have shown a more diverse and effective array of developed DF attacks against higher tier opponents to accomplish their goals, as well as having far higher experience and HAKI. jesus just give up enel already fanboys and we can talk about something useful and logical about the series | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On December 12 2011 12:11 rei wrote: Enel's lightning attack isn't physical, logia type can't just let his lightning pass through. Let's use some logic here instead of blindly referring to strictly power level. You can't touch someone that's outside of your range, and Enel has the longest range demonstrated in one piece and his mantra has the furthest reach, he was able to single out one person out of the entire sky island population who spoke out against him with his mantra. I agree if all the strong character in one piece somehow able to get into striking range to hit Enel then ya they can rape the shit out of Enel, but how can they get close to someone who has the speed of lightning, a fucking sensor that is 10s of miles wide with precision that can read thoughts, and an attack with that same range. Enel can easily kite the shit out of anyone while nuking them. I'm basing this with simple logic, how can you guys not follow this? where's the logic in saying someone with haki can own the shit out of Enel when they can't even get in range to hit him? I'm pretty sure that Light is faster than Lightning, yet people have shown to be able to keep up with Kizaku. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
Sentenal i already mention Kizaru, and also Kuma can teleport. Who else is faster? The PX-Models and Kizaru's lazer has a charge up time, it's not an instant attack / movement. Rayleigh was able to stop Kazaru from that light speed travel by interrupting the molecular disassemble process, he didn't stop him mid flight. And Squalish, "jesus just give up enel already fanboys and we can talk about something useful and logical about the series" 1. Jesus doesn't exist. 2. give up trying to make me give up 3. don't insult a forum vet, it won't end well for you. | ||
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proxY_
United States1561 Posts
Luffy telling Enel that there are a lot of guys that could beat him is the author's way of expressing that to the audience, are you going to tell me that the anime isn't canon to the same thing that's written in the manga? I just don't understand how you can argue that Enel is a high tier character when the author flat out states this in the story. | ||
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Squalish
United States137 Posts
And, all right, let's talk about enel all day rei. It's totally relevant-- not like we're beating a dead horse or anything. What if Enel comes back from the moon WITH haki AND an army of moon people or Spacies as they are called- I believe he could take over the world government as god of the sky, zues, because his Spacies would be very strong with all their time training with Enel. After all- Enel could float in the sky at a safe distance of 5 miles away from Mariejois while nuking the buildings- no one would know what was happening. Meanwhile his top Spacie lieutenants, would hold multiple important kingdoms hostage with armies of Spacies. Enel would then call on his brother, Pluto, a Giant ship in Fishman Island to serve him from the underworld, commanding all sea kings, because this theory makes sense. Meanwhile Blackbeard will kill Luffy once and for all, eliminating Enel's greatest rival. Blackbeard will realize there's only one true threat left, Enel, who has nuked the WG into submission by this point. In an epic showdown between Enel and Blackbeard, Enel easily wins by nukes at 5 mile distance, while his Spacie lieutenants mop up the remaining Blackbeard crew amidst the ruins of Mariejois. How's my theory rei? Also thanks for the matter of fact statement on Jesus rei, as if I implied he existed or not by what I said! You're sharp, man! | ||
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