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On December 08 2011 04:33 Sentenal wrote: About the Pluton/Poseidon talk:
I'm pretty sure that Pluton and Poseidon weren't meant to counter each other. The talk about "there are 2 of them so one can counter the other" only applied to Pluton itself. There are probably even more ancient weapons than those two.
Anyway, in Water 7, Franky had the blueprints to make Pluton. However, the original Pluton is still hidden in Alabasta somewhere. Thats what Crocodile's entire purpose was in that country, to get Robin to read the Poneglyph and find its location. Except she lied to Crocodile about the location, and then he had his showdown with Luffy. ANYWAY, the blueprints that Franky had existed in case someone else found that original Pluton in Alabasta, to build a new one to counter it. So it was supposed to be a Pluton vs Pluton type thing, rather than Pluton vs Poseidon. I had interpreted it slightly differently. First off, I'm fairly convinced there are more than 2 ancient weapons. I don't think the ancient weapons were made to counter each other at all so much as they are super advanced technology (though we now learn Poseidon is not a machine) that could cause large amounts of destruction; basically, the most powerful weapons of war. I feel like the blueprints of Pluton weren't to counter either Pluton or Poseidon but rather to be used in the event that anyone managed to get control of ANY ancient weapon. The blueprints would allow another Pluton to be created and thus cause a cold war of sorts or mutual destruction.
Since the ancient weapons topic were introduced, I always imagined them as weapons of equal but absolute power So while you have people like Crocodile who was interested in gaining power through obtaining A weapon, you also have the world government, who not only wants to get weapons for themselves, but also wants to collect the majority of them in fear of being outnumbered in ancient weapons. It's possible the world government knows the location of a weapon already but is staying quiet about it because there are others who know locations of different weapons as well (best example is now Poseidon) and starting a war with only 1 ancient weapon is not a guaranteed victory.
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I don't think the weapons are anything like rock-paper-scissors. Instead, I think they represent powers which are capable of destroying or causing significant damage to the world. Further, it seems pretty clear to me that Poseidon was similar to Shirahoshi - shounens always work this way - thus the weapons were developed to counter the perceived threat as opposed to there actually being one.
I'm glad we're starting to unravel the void century though.
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can we talk One Piece anime episodes here?
or this is only for manga?
because i couldn't find one piece anime thread.thats why i am asking...
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One Piece Manga - Page 141
HMMM NOW WOULD THIS BE ANIME THREAD
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Well, I don't see the harm in discussing about the anime here. Just be prepared to get bombarded with spoilers from unaired anime episodes.
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On December 12 2011 03:57 SasukeStreams wrote: One Piece Manga - Page 141
HMMM NOW WOULD THIS BE ANIME THREAD i just asked nicely,whats your problem?
reading manga and watching animes completely different.Effects and OST's on animes make this totally better.
On December 12 2011 03:59 divinesage wrote: Well, I don't see the harm in discussing about the anime here. Just be prepared to get bombarded with spoilers from unaired anime episodes. i reading one piece manga to,but watching anime episodes make a little more fun than manga.
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I really like that Poseidon is not a machine. I always hate those "ancient" machines being super powerful. It's enough with Pluton as it is. I'm curious to what the true history will end up being and who Joyboy is. It's fairly obvious that they lost the war and were forgotten, and I know that the Will of D has something to do with it, but it's still not a complete idea in my head. I recall reading that Raftel was the place of their kingdom or something like that? So I guess we won't know for another 300+ chapters. Maybe I'm just imagining that though.
I'm still looking forward to when they meet/face the Marine's Dr (forgot his name). I mean, he can make inanimate objects eat devil fruits, Franky get upgraded based on his old crap he made as a kid, he made the seastone stuff and the engines that can go in the Calm Belt.
I wonder what kind of crazy things we will see from him. I predict he's about as strong as an admiral if not more because of his position/inventions.
Also started thinking about how strong the World Government leaders are... stronger or less than admirals? Still a lot of things we don't know about this world, which is what makes One Piece fun IMO. We get glimpses but it's not that easy to figure out. Oh, and that huge guy we saw Sengoku give his resignation to, as well as anymore else that works behind the scenes.
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On December 12 2011 06:50 Kurr wrote: I really like that Poseidon is not a machine. I always hate those "ancient" machines being super powerful. It's enough with Pluton as it is. I'm curious to what the true history will end up being and who Joyboy is. It's fairly obvious that they lost the war and were forgotten, and I know that the Will of D has something to do with it, but it's still not a complete idea in my head. I recall reading that Raftel was the place of their kingdom or something like that? So I guess we won't know for another 300+ chapters. Maybe I'm just imagining that though.
I'm still looking forward to when they meet/face the Marine's Dr (forgot his name). I mean, he can make inanimate objects eat devil fruits, Franky get upgraded based on his old crap he made as a kid, he made the seastone stuff and the engines that can go in the Calm Belt.
I wonder what kind of crazy things we will see from him. I predict he's about as strong as an admiral if not more because of his position/inventions.
Also started thinking about how strong the World Government leaders are... stronger or less than admirals? Still a lot of things we don't know about this world, which is what makes One Piece fun IMO. We get glimpses but it's not that easy to figure out. Oh, and that huge guy we saw Sengoku give his resignation to, as well as anymore else that works behind the scenes. I feel like Jinbei know everything about Poseidon,
this "i still have some business left to take care of"
i think he is waiting for this,when he learn fact about mermaid princess,im pretty sure he will join mugiwara pirates.
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On December 12 2011 08:32 MuK_x wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 06:50 Kurr wrote: I really like that Poseidon is not a machine. I always hate those "ancient" machines being super powerful. It's enough with Pluton as it is. I'm curious to what the true history will end up being and who Joyboy is. It's fairly obvious that they lost the war and were forgotten, and I know that the Will of D has something to do with it, but it's still not a complete idea in my head. I recall reading that Raftel was the place of their kingdom or something like that? So I guess we won't know for another 300+ chapters. Maybe I'm just imagining that though.
I'm still looking forward to when they meet/face the Marine's Dr (forgot his name). I mean, he can make inanimate objects eat devil fruits, Franky get upgraded based on his old crap he made as a kid, he made the seastone stuff and the engines that can go in the Calm Belt.
I wonder what kind of crazy things we will see from him. I predict he's about as strong as an admiral if not more because of his position/inventions.
Also started thinking about how strong the World Government leaders are... stronger or less than admirals? Still a lot of things we don't know about this world, which is what makes One Piece fun IMO. We get glimpses but it's not that easy to figure out. Oh, and that huge guy we saw Sengoku give his resignation to, as well as anymore else that works behind the scenes. I feel like Jinbei know everything about Poseidon, this "i still have some business left to take care of" i think he is waiting for this,when he learn fact about mermaid princess,im pretty sure he will join mugiwara pirates.
He's still considered a fugitive on the island right? Maybe he hopes to serve out his sentence/clear his name before leaving the island.
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On December 12 2011 03:55 MuK_x wrote: can we talk One Piece anime episodes here?
or this is only for manga?
because i couldn't find one piece anime thread.thats why i am asking...
Sure go ahead, I like watching the anime more anyway
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I like the manga a lot more than the anime, Anime tends to lose a lot of the subtleties of the art in the Manga, and sometimes its kinda bad lol.
I've been rereading the manga from the start, getting into the Little Garden arc. I'd have to say, One Piece is so meh until the Arlong Park arc, and then things get REALLY good from there. Art, story, fights etc.. It's so weird reading the early chapters because Luffy and Zoro seem so much weaker (Zoro "losing too much blood" in the Buggy arc, when later on the series he loses way more wtf lol), and it seems like Oda didn't fully formulate his universe back then, with references to "Latin ship", "Seven Seas" and "Irish whales" lol.
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Also i see some amazing theory about ancient weapons.
Pluton,Poseidon and Zeus are three brothers in mythology.
Pluton plans was destroyed by Franky at Ennies Lobby.
Poseidon is living under 10 000 meters of sea.
Zeus a.k.a lightining can be Enel for 3rd Ancient Weapon? Because Enel was not died and heading to moon,which is might be 10.000 meters up from Blue Sea.
or 3rd Ancient Weapon might be working with Enel's power a.k.a lightining.
There is a some Enel pictures on manga cover. + Show Spoiler +
im pretty sure we will see Enel on next episodes but this theory is really interesting.
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On December 12 2011 09:05 MuK_x wrote:Also i see some amazing theory about ancient weapons. Pluton,Poseidon and Zeus are three brothers in mythology. Pluton plans was destroyed by Franky at Ennies Lobby. Poseidon is living under 10 000 meters of sea. Zeus a.k.a lightining can be Enel for 3rd Ancient Weapon? Because Enel was not died and heading to moon,which is might be 10.000 meters up from Blue Sea. or 3rd Ancient Weapon might be working with Enel's power a.k.a lightining. There is a some Enel pictures on manga cover. + Show Spoiler +im pretty sure we will see Enel on next episodes but this theory is really interesting.
Bringing Enel back would be really cool. I wonder how all the straw hats would do against him now. I have a bit of a different theory on the third ancient weapon if there is one. That lightning rain island might hold some serious destructive secrets, which would explain why the island is so dangerous
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Wow the strawhats party hard!
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On December 12 2011 09:11 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 09:05 MuK_x wrote:Also i see some amazing theory about ancient weapons. Pluton,Poseidon and Zeus are three brothers in mythology. Pluton plans was destroyed by Franky at Ennies Lobby. Poseidon is living under 10 000 meters of sea. Zeus a.k.a lightining can be Enel for 3rd Ancient Weapon? Because Enel was not died and heading to moon,which is might be 10.000 meters up from Blue Sea. or 3rd Ancient Weapon might be working with Enel's power a.k.a lightining. There is a some Enel pictures on manga cover. + Show Spoiler +im pretty sure we will see Enel on next episodes but this theory is really interesting. Bringing Enel back would be really cool. I wonder how all the straw hats would do against him now. I have a bit of a different theory on the third ancient weapon if there is one. That lightning rain island might hold some serious destructive secrets, which would explain why the island is so dangerous im pretty sure E.Oda interest on mythology like other mangakas.(naruto:Amaterasu,Susanoo)
So im really hoping for Enel :D
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On December 12 2011 09:11 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 09:05 MuK_x wrote:Also i see some amazing theory about ancient weapons. Pluton,Poseidon and Zeus are three brothers in mythology. Pluton plans was destroyed by Franky at Ennies Lobby. Poseidon is living under 10 000 meters of sea. Zeus a.k.a lightining can be Enel for 3rd Ancient Weapon? Because Enel was not died and heading to moon,which is might be 10.000 meters up from Blue Sea. or 3rd Ancient Weapon might be working with Enel's power a.k.a lightining. There is a some Enel pictures on manga cover. + Show Spoiler +im pretty sure we will see Enel on next episodes but this theory is really interesting. Bringing Enel back would be really cool. I wonder how all the straw hats would do against him now. I have a bit of a different theory on the third ancient weapon if there is one. That lightning rain island might hold some serious destructive secrets, which would explain why the island is so dangerous
Luffy would still be able to beat him b/c even though he might not be as strong he is still a direct counter more or less
hopefully Oda wraps up this arc in a couple weeks so we can get onto the new world!
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On December 12 2011 09:11 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 09:05 MuK_x wrote:Also i see some amazing theory about ancient weapons. Pluton,Poseidon and Zeus are three brothers in mythology. Pluton plans was destroyed by Franky at Ennies Lobby. Poseidon is living under 10 000 meters of sea. Zeus a.k.a lightining can be Enel for 3rd Ancient Weapon? Because Enel was not died and heading to moon,which is might be 10.000 meters up from Blue Sea. or 3rd Ancient Weapon might be working with Enel's power a.k.a lightining. There is a some Enel pictures on manga cover. + Show Spoiler +im pretty sure we will see Enel on next episodes but this theory is really interesting. Bringing Enel back would be really cool. I wonder how all the straw hats would do against him now. I have a bit of a different theory on the third ancient weapon if there is one. That lightning rain island might hold some serious destructive secrets, which would explain why the island is so dangerous
That could be pretty cool. Not sure if it will happen because I'm not sure Zeus necessarily needs to have something to do with lightning though.
Enel might come back sooner or later, even if he has nothing to do this these weapons. He was a cool enemy and all. It could be fun to see someone other than Luffy beating him, since he was so strong. I always hated that he lost to Luffy, despite the Lightning vs Rubber match. Oda even said Enel would have like 500 million bounty if he was a pirate. He was way stronger than Luffy but it was a bit of a cheesy ending to the fight.
Enel honestly should've wiped the floor with him but I suppose that doesn't make for good story development. Still, I hope we see him again at some point. I do think it's a cool idea to have one of the weapons be a devil fruit power but then it's not THAT overwhelming compared to other logia fruits (somewhat stronger IMO, if he didn't use it like an idiot). I mean, Blackbeard could beat him and so could Luffy now (without a plot device win). It still has some weaknesses. Poseidon can control Sea Kings. That's a HUGE power, she could wreak everything in the seas even vs top fighters (some Sea Kings are probably gigantic compared to those we are seen so far, and I assume some are extremely strong such as the beasts on the island that Luffy trained). A super shit is also something that could destroy a country instantly without really a weakness. While Enel can do some of those things, he's still weak to water/seastone/haki and such.
The theory about the highs might make some sense though (the sky island was 10k in the air). But it could also be a simple coincidence that Poseidon was on fishman island.
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On December 12 2011 09:28 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 09:11 Dark_Chill wrote:On December 12 2011 09:05 MuK_x wrote:Also i see some amazing theory about ancient weapons. Pluton,Poseidon and Zeus are three brothers in mythology. Pluton plans was destroyed by Franky at Ennies Lobby. Poseidon is living under 10 000 meters of sea. Zeus a.k.a lightining can be Enel for 3rd Ancient Weapon? Because Enel was not died and heading to moon,which is might be 10.000 meters up from Blue Sea. or 3rd Ancient Weapon might be working with Enel's power a.k.a lightining. There is a some Enel pictures on manga cover. + Show Spoiler +im pretty sure we will see Enel on next episodes but this theory is really interesting. Bringing Enel back would be really cool. I wonder how all the straw hats would do against him now. I have a bit of a different theory on the third ancient weapon if there is one. That lightning rain island might hold some serious destructive secrets, which would explain why the island is so dangerous That could be pretty cool. Not sure if it will happen because I'm not sure Zeus necessarily needs to have something to do with lightning though. Enel might come back sooner or later, even if he has nothing to do this these weapons. He was a cool enemy and all. It could be fun to see someone other than Luffy beating him, since he was so strong. I always hated that he lost to Luffy, despite the Lightning vs Rubber match. Oda even said Enel would have like 500 million bounty if he was a pirate. He was way stronger than Luffy but it was a bit of a cheesy ending to the fight. Enel honestly should've wiped the floor with him but I suppose that doesn't make for good story development. Still, I hope we see him again at some point. I do think it's a cool idea to have one of the weapons be a devil fruit power but then it's not THAT overwhelming compared to other logia fruits (somewhat stronger IMO, if he didn't use it like an idiot). I mean, Blackbeard could beat him and so could Luffy now (without a plot device win). It still has some weaknesses. Poseidon can control Sea Kings. That's a HUGE power, she could wreak everything in the seas even vs top fighters (some Sea Kings are probably gigantic compared to those we are seen so far, and I assume some are extremely strong such as the beasts on the island that Luffy trained). A super shit is also something that could destroy a country instantly without really a weakness. While Enel can do some of those things, he's still weak to water/seastone/haki and such. The theory about the highs might make some sense though (the sky island was 10k in the air). But it could also be a simple coincidence that Poseidon was on fishman island. Like i said "or 3rd Ancient Weapon might be working with Enel's power a.k.a lightining."
because Enel was so strong,he just lose to his only weakness in One Piece world "Rubber".
also im giving 50% 50% to Enel vs BlackBeard, since Enel using Mantra like a boss.
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Enel is the most powerful DF user in this series, he can nuke ppl with lightning ten miles away with lightning speed and pinpoint accuracy. Only Luffy can escape the electrocution, everybody else in SH's crew will all be roasted in one go. Blackbeard has nothing on Enel, cause he can't even get close enough to use his blackhole before he gets a lightning bolt up his ass, oh and if he happen to get within 2mile of Enel he can just use his speed of lightning to get far away. And thx to Mantra you can't even trick Enel.
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On December 12 2011 09:37 rei wrote: Enel is the most powerful DF user in this series, he can nuke ppl with lightning ten miles away with lightning speed and pinpoint accuracy. Only Luffy can escape the electrocution, everybody else in SH's crew will all be roasted in one go. Blackbeard has nothing on Enel, cause he can't even get close enough to use his blackhole before he gets a lightning bolt up his ass, oh and if he happen to get within 2mile of Enel he can just use his speed of lightning to get far away. And thx to Mantra you can't even trick Enel. i couldn't agree more with this post.
Enel was strong as Admirals,maybe stronger than Admirals.
but i think Enel vs BlackBeard is tight match,enel is slightly favored.
blackbeard's devil fruits isnt joke.
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