[Manga] One Piece - Page 143

On December 12 2011 14:10 rei wrote:
no i didn't missed that, i read that page someone linked earlier, Luffy did said a lot of strong guys Enel have to defeat when Enel was bragging he's invincible. What luffy meant was that before Enel can run his mouth he has to defeat all those strong guys first.

The author didn't state this in the story, Luffy did. Do you see the difference? the author is omnipotent, Luffy the character is not.

Oh and someone else mention Enel is pretty cocky and wants to toy with his victims, in that case he would got own not because he's weaker, but because of his arrogance.

On December 12 2011 13:37 rei wrote:
Squalish you have no proof, who are the people that are much faster than HIM? who are the "they" that are catching him?

Sentenal i already mention Kizaru, and also Kuma can teleport. Who else is faster?

The PX-Models and Kizaru's lazer has a charge up time, it's not an instant attack / movement. Rayleigh was able to stop Kazaru from that light speed travel by interrupting the molecular disassemble process, he didn't stop him mid flight.

And Squalish, "jesus just give up enel already fanboys and we can talk about something useful and logical about the series"
1. Jesus doesn't exist.
2. give up trying to make me give up
3. don't insult a forum vet, it won't end well for you.

On November 29 2010 09:29 Kurr wrote:
My biggest hopes for the future :
-Enel comes back with his moon crew. I really hate how he was beaten by Luffy despite being 100 times stronger than him at the very least.

On December 12 2011 10:36 rei wrote:
proxY_ you said "Enel wouldn't last five minutes against a high tier haki user like Rayleigh" Tell me how do Rayleigh get anywhere close to Enel to use his haki on him, when Enel knows what's Rayleigh is thinking and location miles away? More like Rayleigh is ganna get snipe 10 miles away before he even come into visual contact with Enel. Only one who can get into Enel's range at will is Kizaru with his speed of light which is faster than speed of lightning.

On December 12 2011 14:10 rei wrote:
no i didn't missed that, i read that page someone linked earlier, Luffy did said a lot of strong guys Enel have to defeat when Enel was bragging he's invincible. What luffy meant was that before Enel can run his mouth he has to defeat all those strong guys first.

The author didn't state this in the story, Luffy did. Do you see the difference? the author is omnipotent, Luffy the character is not.

Oh and someone else mention Enel is pretty cocky and wants to toy with his victims, in that case he would got own not because he's weaker, but because of his arrogance.

On December 13 2011 07:20 Sentenal wrote:
Enel is one of the strongest, but he isn't the strongest. Whitebeard is easily stronger, the admirals are probably stronger, and the Yonkou are probably (I guess we will see) stronger. Like I've said before, there are people who seem to be faster than Enel. And even Enel wasn't fast enough to avoid Luffy's attacks, otherwise he wouldn't have lost lol.

On December 13 2011 09:34 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Usopp + Haki > Enel. As the sharp shooter on the Strawhat crew he will become ridiculous with his sniping. Stop arguing about him, he's history.

On December 13 2011 09:37 MuK_x wrote:

against Mantra+Lightning speed...

lol...

seriously LOL.

On December 13 2011 09:53 ddrddrddrddr wrote:

Don't laugh, this is manga. We've seen sword cut light, sword cut steel, hormones counteract poison, lava burn fire, and air bubbles staying intact at the bottom of the sea. Laws of physics means little, what matters is power level. Usopp might be a piss poor fighter but he's a godly sniper with high creativity. If Enel may be able to move at the speed of lightning but he obviously does not respond at the speed of lightning or else Luffy wouldn't be able to hit him no matter how he tries to counteract mantra. All that's left is to have Usopp find a way to Gatling Enel from outside his mantra range with rubber bullets. Is that so hard to imagine?

On December 13 2011 10:10 bittman wrote:


Not even, Usopp is a man with a bag of tricks, and though mantra let's you foresee moves made by a person by sort of doing some mind reading thingey, it can't predict the potentially chaotic movement of some of Usopp's new bag of tricks.

In my eyes, mantra / haki dodging doesn't really do greatly against Usopp's evolved style. Of course Usopp hasn't got the basic means to fight Enel (i.e. immunity to lightning), but there's a host of weapons we haven't seen from Usopp. For all we know he has plants with poison or sleeping gas (not unlikely) or plants which can shield him (also really not unlikely).

Basically, Enel, despite being probably the most diverse display of a logia thus far, will need to have improved vastly to join the haki-fueled variety of abilities and skills on the blue seas.

And yes, admirals are stronger than Enel. Is this debatable? Mind you...people debate that Crocodile is on par with Mihawk, Akainu and Luffy all in the same breath so... =/

On December 13 2011 11:57 Dark_Chill wrote:
That's one of the problems with logia, once they meet their weakness they are made to look weak. Crocodile is incredibly strong, but when faced against water, he becomes an average fighter. Oda says that logia are the strongest fruits, but paramecia seems to have more potential to it, same with zoan.
Now, to Enel conversation: what's to stop any logia from just turning into their element? Enel doesn't really have any way of hitting them since he does not possess the other haki. It's true what people say in the thread, Enel is definitely strong. There are just stronger people out there.

On December 13 2011 11:42 Sentenal wrote:

I thought the War at Marineford made it pretty clear Crocodile was on par with Mihawk and the other Shichibukai.