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On April 24 2013 00:26 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 22:50 herMan wrote:On April 23 2013 21:51 Grovbolle wrote:On April 23 2013 18:32 SmoKim wrote:This game is so awesome, highly recommended - even for non-fans imo  Fucking great game. We usually get together 5-6 and play it. Easily takes a few hours to play I've played the shit out of the game a few years back with my friends. The premise of the game is awesome but the factions are imbalanced. The games usually follow a pattern where factions consolidate power without meddling, somebody breaks out of the stalemate for the win and gets crushed. After all this somebody sneakily slips out and conquers the necessary towns to win. The games I have played have had the following winners: Starks, Lannisters, Greyjoys and Boratheans. I almost won as Tyrells last time we played. (I have only played 6-7 games of it though). We usually gang up on each other when we play. Like Tyrells and the 6th faction in the bottom whose name I can't recall just charge lannisters and boratheans with support from Greyjoys while Starks try to get in on the fun as well :D
The game does have some imbalances. But if you play with people that are experienced that doesn't matter since everyone knows about them, and therefor plays accordingly. It's a really good game!
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On April 24 2013 01:19 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 01:10 SkelA wrote:Considering someone posted this huge map of the world i was hoping someone would post the current position of most of the main cast. I know Dany last season was in Quarth but now I havent payed much atention in which city she was "buying" her huge army. Danny just left the city of Astapor. Robb sits at Riverrun with his Tully relatives. Lord Bolton holds Harrenhall. Jaime+Brienne and their captors are somewhere in the proximity, not specified Rest of the Lannisters, Tyrells and Sansa at kings landing (minus the two young Lannister captives). Theon, unspecified - i guess, just to be safe. Arya+Gendry, somewhere between Riverrun and Harrenhall, unspecified. Stannis sits back at Dragonstone, Davos in its dungeons, Melissandre - who knows. Jon, last seen with Mance and co at the fist of the first men. About the numbers, i suggest not to try to make sense of them, since they arent really respected, different people give insanely different counts. Regardless, Westeros is a continent, you cannot concqure a continent with 8k footsoldiers. The onyl consistent number is that the Starks have around 20k, but whenever someone joins them or they fight a battle, what's the updated count, nobody says that. The army of the Tyrells could be anywhere between 10k and 60k depending on who you believe from the series. Danny needs more troops or bigger Dragons or both. Or the westerosi to keep killing each other for a few more years... or decades.
I wouldn't be surprised if people want to join Dany when they see the dragons. But it will be a long time before she gets to Westeros anyway.
The white walkers are another factor here. They could decimate armies given the right circumstances i think.
The hard counter to white walkers is..............................................................Dragons maybe?
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Afaik Dany had the largest and better army in the world when she shad the full khalasar.
Everyone said the +100k cavalry (and proficient with the bow) army could just wipe all the Westeros armies combined on open field.
Of course she doesn't have it now. And they are scared of the sea water. And western armies can hide behind huge stone walls.
The Unsullied are the elite of the ground army but they are no khalasar.
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^ Drogo's Khalasar had roughly 40,000 riders according to the show.
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On April 24 2013 01:51 Salteador Neo wrote:
Afaik Dany had the largest and better army in the world when she shad the full khalasar.
Everyone said the +100k cavalry (and proficient with the bow) army could just wipe all the Westeros armies combined on open field.
Of course she doesn't have it now. And they are scared of the sea water. And western armies can hide behind huge stone walls.
The Unsullied are the elite of the ground army but they are no khalasar.
Iirc they say the Khalasar is 100k+, but it has about 40k "screamers" meaning actualy mounted warriors, the rest arent fighting men. I'm pretty sure it's not 100k warriors, that would mean at least a quarter of a million in the horde, which is pretty much impossible to hold together. That is larger than the actual population of most cities in that era.
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On April 24 2013 01:51 Salteador Neo wrote:
Afaik Dany had the largest and better army in the world when she shad the full khalasar.
Everyone said the +100k cavalry (and proficient with the bow) army could just wipe all the Westeros armies combined on open field.
Of course she doesn't have it now. And they are scared of the sea water. And western armies can hide behind huge stone walls.
The Unsullied are the elite of the ground army but they are no khalasar.
She could wipe all armies on open field but also all civilians and everyone that makes food and rest. She would rule ashes. Khalasar could not be controled like unsullied or dragons could (well dragons are either going to kill everything including you or you get to control them well enough to stop them from randomly burning down villages).
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She also doesn't have any Khalasar except for a handful leftovers so that point is really useless.
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I think its just to illustrate the point of "lol mongolians = gg europe"
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Didn't they imply that the Dothraki were pretty useless fighting cities as well? Raiding villiages is one thing, but horses don't do much against castles and walls.
Either way did the show specify if the 8000 unsullied included all the extra boys that were not ready and such? Or was that just the hardened troops ready for sale?
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On April 24 2013 02:01 zatic wrote:
She also doesn't have any Khalasar except for a handful leftovers so that point is really useless.
Well I wasn't trying to make a point really. Just talking about numbers and armies, because people find it fun. I had no idea it was 40k instead for example.
The point could be that the Unsullied are not nearly enought to take Westeros, I guess.
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On April 24 2013 02:15 Rayeth wrote:
Didn't they imply that the Dothraki were pretty useless fighting cities as well? Raiding villiages is one thing, but horses don't do much against castles and walls.
Either way did the show specify if the 8000 unsullied included all the extra boys that were not ready and such? Or was that just the hardened troops ready for sale?
doesn't matter if they siege or more likely burn everything and move on leaving them kings of the ashes to quote mr varys
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On April 24 2013 02:15 Rayeth wrote:Either way did the show specify if the 8000 unsullied included all the extra boys that were not ready and such? Or was that just the hardened troops ready for sale?
its stated multiple times that the 8000 are the completely trained elite warriors. the number of the untrained ones is never mentioned but is definitely on top of those 8000.
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Even though the Dothraki admire strength, I doubt that Daenerys strength alone would make them loyal enough to follow her across the narrow sea, as they are very reluctant to do so (have been pointed out numerous times). With that said I doubt she'll go through the Dothraki sea looking for more dothraki soldiers.
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Loving the show even more this season. About who might be next to die I think everyone is forgetting season 1 where one of the dire wolves died and it was equally unexpected and upsetting than a main character dying. since the dragons have hatched they have been growing on me and with each episode that involves them burning something I feel more and more attached so if one of them were to die I would be just as devastated.
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The real problem I see with Dany taking over the Dothraki is their customs regarding single combat. They seem to live in a Dune-esque society where anyone can challenge the Khal for dominance at any time. She would be entirely unable to deal with this, being slight and probably having no combat training whatsoever. Her strength is an abstract strength that might not be understood or appreciated by the Dothraki horde.
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-There are well over 100,000 Dothraki riders seperated into several tribes, each led by a different Khal. Khal Drogo's tribe numbered around 40,000. Less than 100 remained with Dany by the time she reached Quarth. She also has 8,000 fully trained Unsullied and around 1,500-2,000 untrained Unsullied.
-Robb's has about 20,000 troops
-There are another 12,000-15,000 troops allied with Robb from Riverrun
-The Lannisters have roughly 45,000 troops with about another 25,000 from the Tyrells
-Stannis has around 10,000-20,000 left after the Battle of Blackwater.
-There are over 100,000 wildlings seperated into many different tribes, but all allied under the leadership of Mance Raynor. Yet, only about 1/3-1/2 of them are warriors. The rest are the old, the sick, and children.
-There are about 1,500-2,500 Night's watch members guarding the entirety of the Wall, about 500 located at Castle Black. Only about 1/3 of those numbers are Rangers however, the rest either being Builders or Stewards.
-The Greyjoys control the largest navy at approx 250-350 ships.
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My collection of the irritating character name typos, thought I'd share the worst: Jauffre, Jeffrey, Cercei, Danny, Jamie.
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On April 24 2013 03:07 herMan wrote:
My collection of the irritating character name typos, thought I'd share the worst: Jauffre, Jeffrey, Cercei, Danny, Jamie.
There's a lot of names in this show, and a lot of those names are confusing. Even common names like Robb, Jon, and Brandyn don't use traditional spellings for those names.
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On April 24 2013 02:50 Yoav wrote:
The real problem I see with Dany taking over the Dothraki is their customs regarding single combat. They seem to live in a Dune-esque society where anyone can challenge the Khal for dominance at any time. She would be entirely unable to deal with this, being slight and probably having no combat training whatsoever. Her strength is an abstract strength that might not be understood or appreciated by the Dothraki horde.
She has the dragons. I don't think any of the Dothraki are going to challenge a dragon 1on1.
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On April 24 2013 03:12 DertoQq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 02:50 Yoav wrote:
The real problem I see with Dany taking over the Dothraki is their customs regarding single combat. They seem to live in a Dune-esque society where anyone can challenge the Khal for dominance at any time. She would be entirely unable to deal with this, being slight and probably having no combat training whatsoever. Her strength is an abstract strength that might not be understood or appreciated by the Dothraki horde.
She has the dragons. I don't think any of the Dothraki are going to challenge a dragon 1on1.
Ahh but would they accept them fighting in her stead? I'm not sure, but methinks it very possible that the Dothraki would demand that she personally fight if it is her that wishes to lead.
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