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Zurich15355 Posts
There are hardly any reliable troop numbers to go by. My estimate :
North: 18k - 2k (ruse) + Freys - losses + Riverrun
We don't know how many troops Riverrun contributed
We don't know what happened to the Frey troops after Robb crossed Walder Frey over the wedding
We don't know anything about their losses after the initial 2k sacrifice other than that the Lannisters take more
Easiest would be to say Riverrun contributed enough to compensate for the losses, so still around 18k left
Lannisters - significantly more, but never really specified, and confusing troop mentions
Initially, they have 60k troops, of which Tywin and Jamie command 30k each.
Tywins host never does any considerable battling until the blackwater other than massacring the 2k Robb sends to their death.
Jamies host lays siege to Riverrun and is then taken by surprise by Robb. We only hear that this was a spectacular success for Robb, so we can assume huge losses to he Lannisters (+Jamie gets captured). Also those 30k are never mentioned again, so they are dead / prisoners / scattered.
They have reinforcements in the West that Tywin assumes can not hold against Robb, so probably significantly less than 20k
They are constantly mentioned to take way more losses than the Starks, and Robb wins every battle against them ("5 dead for every 1 of ours")
Also being harassed by the brotherhood, although that probably doesn't impact the numbers much
I would give them an initial 60k total (-20k dead / scattered at Riverrun) - unsure number of losses = between 30k - 40k left
Iron Islands - about 6k
Said to have 300 ships. Going by Theons ship 20 men per ship = 6k men. We can assume that all their sailors are fighters too.
Tyrell - virtually no numbers, or confusing ones
Littlefinger mentions them having "the largest army after Lannister and Stark". This makes little sense since Renly's initial host is supposed to be 100k, which is Tyrells and Stormlands combined (- Stannis).
Stannis - initially has the bigger part of the Royal fleet, which is supposed to be smaller than the Iron fleet (and not all fighters) + the hired pirates.
He probably has some Stormland troops loyal to him over his brother as well
Let's say he has about 8k initially. He takes over Renlys troops after Renlys death.
The real question is how the 100k in Renlys army are divided into Stormland and Tyrell loyalists. We can only say that Tyrell has at least half or more, since the Tyrell part + the Lannisters beat the Renly part + Stannis at the blackwater.
If we say they split 50/50 and then meet again at the blackwater:
We know "thousands" would die on the assault on the city alone.
We have little information on the losses after the Tyrell + Lannister army arrives. We can assume from Stannis fanatacism that he wouldn't retreat before another couple of thousands fall. Let's give Stannis 15k losses and the Tyrell army 10k. Stannis can also only retreat with the ships he has left. We don't know what happens to his men who surrendered, let's just assume they are sent home (may be drafted into Tyrell / Lannister, but that would have been mentioned). If we say he loses half his fleet he can take 4k back to Dragonstone.
Totaled that would leave:
Lannister: 35k
North: 18k
Tyrell: 40k
Stannis: 4k
Greyjoys: 6k
Dany - we have numbers!
8000 Unsullied
Unspecified number of untrained Unsullied, let's say 1000
About 40 Dothraki, mostly useless
1 hot interpreter
1 badass Joah Mormont
1 certified super badass Barristan Selmy
3 child dragons
However, of course Danys army is HUGELY better than the thousands of drafted peasants the rest has, even without considering the dragons. The unsullied would most likely cut through Westeros armies twice their numbers. Also: Barristan Selmy.
Also worth considering:
Wildlings: "hundreds and thousands"
There is little we know about them other than they count about 100k or more. It is unclear if that includes women, children, elderly. We know the women fight too though.
The Watch: About 700 left
Maester Aemon says there is "less than a thousand of us now". Mormont takes 300 beyond the wall, most of which get killed.
The ones killed are also mostly rangers, so the most able fighters of the Watch are gone.
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On April 23 2013 22:50 herMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 21:51 Grovbolle wrote:On April 23 2013 18:32 SmoKim wrote:This game is so awesome, highly recommended - even for non-fans imo  Fucking great game. We usually get together 5-6 and play it. Easily takes a few hours to play I've played the shit out of the game a few years back with my friends. The premise of the game is awesome but the factions are imbalanced. The games usually follow a pattern where factions consolidate power without meddling, somebody breaks out of the stalemate for the win and gets crushed. After all this somebody sneakily slips out and conquers the necessary towns to win.
The games I have played have had the following winners: Starks, Lannisters, Greyjoys and Boratheans. I almost won as Tyrells last time we played. (I have only played 6-7 games of it though). We usually gang up on each other when we play. Like Tyrells and the 6th faction in the bottom whose name I can't recall just charge lannisters and boratheans with support from Greyjoys while Starks try to get in on the fun as well :D
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On April 23 2013 23:40 gullberg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 23:36 Gorg wrote:On April 23 2013 23:27 gullberg wrote:On April 23 2013 23:18 Gorg wrote:
well, then it might be a good idea to return to the fled dothraki tribes and show him who is the boss around that corner to grow even bigger. dothraki are feared by the westeros folks and seem like great warriors and another big additon to daenerys' troops.
i imagine dothraki as the mongolian nomads at their prime (under dshingis khan), minus the master archery, minus the strategic genius, plus fierceness in melee combat, but still godlike on horses. What? They're ridiculously far away from the Dothraki tribes right now. To get to Astapor she crossed the red wastes (a fucking desert) and travelled by boat from Qarth for god knows how long. And now she's supposed to go all the way back with an army? look at this spoilerfree map: + Show Spoiler +astapor is pretty close to the dothraki sea. i dont see a big problem making a quick detour. :p You're assuming that they know where the dothraki sea is? Or even where to look in the dothraki sea to find these tribes? Also how long did it take Khal drogo to unite all the tribes? Just seems like a waste of time when she now has unsullied. I'd be very surprised if they ever go back. There are several known slaver cities in the area, my guess is that she's going to keep sacking them for now atleast.
Drogo never united all the tribes. He was one of the biggest warlords of the Dothraki but he was not the chief of all Dothraki
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On April 24 2013 00:25 zatic wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There are hardly any reliable troop numbers to go by. My estimate : North: 18k - 2k (ruse) + Freys - losses + Riverrun We don't know how many troops Riverrun contributed We don't know what happened to the Frey troops after Robb crossed Walder Frey over the wedding We don't know anything about their losses after the initial 2k sacrifice other than that the Lannisters take more Easiest would be to say Riverrun contributed enough to compensate for the losses, so still around 18k left Lannisters - significantly more, but never really specified. They have an initial army that Tywin is confident will beat the initial 20k Robb has. Let's give them 30k + superior equipment. They have reinforcements in the West that Tywin assumes can not hold against Robb, so probably significantly less than 20k They are constantly mentioned to take way more losses than the Starks, and Robb wins every battle against them ("5 dead for every 1 of ours") Also being harassed by the brotherhood, although that probably doesn't impact the numbers much I would give them an initial 40k total - 10k losses = about 30k left Iron Islands - about 6k Said to have 300 ships. Going by Theons ship 20 men per ship = 6k men. We can assume that all their sailors are fighters too. Tyrell - virtually no numbers, or confusing ones Littlefinger mentions them having "the largest army after Lannister and Stark". This makes little sense since Renly's initial host is supposed to be 100k, which is Tyrells and Stormlands combined (- Stannis). Stannis - initially has the bigger part of the Royal fleet, which is supposed to be smaller than the Iron fleet (and not all fighters) + the hired pirates. He probably has some Stormland troops loyal to him over his brother as well Let's say he has about 8k initially. He takes over Renlys troops after Renlys death. The real question is how the 100k in Renlys army are divided into Stormland and Tyrell loyalists. We can only say that Tyrell has at least half or more, since the Tyrell part + the Lannisters beat the Renly part + Stannis at the blackwater. If we say they split 50/50 and then meet again at the blackwater: We know "thousands" would die on the assault on the city alone. We have little information on the losses after the Tyrell + Lannister army arrives. We can assume from Stannis fanatacism that he wouldn't retreat before another couple of thousands fall. Let's give Stannis 15k losses and the Tyrell army 10k. Stannis can also only retreat with the ships he has left. We don't know what happens to his men who surrendered, let's just assume they are sent home (may be drafted into Tyrell / Lannister, but that would have been mentioned). If we say he loses half his fleet he can take 4k back to Dragonstone. Totaled that would leave: Lannister: 30k North: 18k Tyrell: 40k Stannis: 4k Greyjoys: 6k Dany - we have numbers! 8000 Unsullied About 40 Dothraki, mostly useless 1 hot interpreter 1 badass Joah Mormont 1 certified super badass Barristan Selmy 3 child dragons However, of course Danys army is HUGELY better than the thousands of drafted peasants the rest has, even without considering the dragons. The unsullied would most likely cut through Westeros armies twice their numbers. Also: Barristan Selmy. That was fun
Doesnt Dany have 8000 Unsullied + All the half trained ones?
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On April 24 2013 00:47 broodmann wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:25 zatic wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There are hardly any reliable troop numbers to go by. My estimate : North: 18k - 2k (ruse) + Freys - losses + Riverrun We don't know how many troops Riverrun contributed We don't know what happened to the Frey troops after Robb crossed Walder Frey over the wedding We don't know anything about their losses after the initial 2k sacrifice other than that the Lannisters take more Easiest would be to say Riverrun contributed enough to compensate for the losses, so still around 18k left Lannisters - significantly more, but never really specified. They have an initial army that Tywin is confident will beat the initial 20k Robb has. Let's give them 30k + superior equipment. They have reinforcements in the West that Tywin assumes can not hold against Robb, so probably significantly less than 20k They are constantly mentioned to take way more losses than the Starks, and Robb wins every battle against them ("5 dead for every 1 of ours") Also being harassed by the brotherhood, although that probably doesn't impact the numbers much I would give them an initial 40k total - 10k losses = about 30k left Iron Islands - about 6k Said to have 300 ships. Going by Theons ship 20 men per ship = 6k men. We can assume that all their sailors are fighters too. Tyrell - virtually no numbers, or confusing ones Littlefinger mentions them having "the largest army after Lannister and Stark". This makes little sense since Renly's initial host is supposed to be 100k, which is Tyrells and Stormlands combined (- Stannis). Stannis - initially has the bigger part of the Royal fleet, which is supposed to be smaller than the Iron fleet (and not all fighters) + the hired pirates. He probably has some Stormland troops loyal to him over his brother as well Let's say he has about 8k initially. He takes over Renlys troops after Renlys death. The real question is how the 100k in Renlys army are divided into Stormland and Tyrell loyalists. We can only say that Tyrell has at least half or more, since the Tyrell part + the Lannisters beat the Renly part + Stannis at the blackwater. If we say they split 50/50 and then meet again at the blackwater: We know "thousands" would die on the assault on the city alone. We have little information on the losses after the Tyrell + Lannister army arrives. We can assume from Stannis fanatacism that he wouldn't retreat before another couple of thousands fall. Let's give Stannis 15k losses and the Tyrell army 10k. Stannis can also only retreat with the ships he has left. We don't know what happens to his men who surrendered, let's just assume they are sent home (may be drafted into Tyrell / Lannister, but that would have been mentioned). If we say he loses half his fleet he can take 4k back to Dragonstone. Totaled that would leave: Lannister: 30k North: 18k Tyrell: 40k Stannis: 4k Greyjoys: 6k Dany - we have numbers! 8000 Unsullied About 40 Dothraki, mostly useless 1 hot interpreter 1 badass Joah Mormont 1 certified super badass Barristan Selmy 3 child dragons However, of course Danys army is HUGELY better than the thousands of drafted peasants the rest has, even without considering the dragons. The unsullied would most likely cut through Westeros armies twice their numbers. Also: Barristan Selmy. That was fun Doesnt Dany have 8000 Unsullied + All the half trained ones?
Yes, I think 2000 who are not fully trained.
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You guys are forgetting one thing.
Winter is coming.
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Russian Federation59 Posts
*Martell not mentioned to be in rebellion. Daughter of Baratheon/Lannisters married off to them as well. However, the repeated mention in the show of the massacre of Martells by Lannisters in Robert's rebellion suggests that they may be more sympathetic to the rebels' cause than they have shown thus far. However, their geography may preclude major engagement one way or another. One interesting possibility is that they will be sympathetic to Dany, seeing her as their natural ally and best way to avenge the massacres committed against her family as well. This is the southernmost house, and therefore her natural landing location if she continues along her current path.
Remember that Martells have Myrcella as a guest - meaning that they have a trustworthy relationship with the Lannisters. At least for now.
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Myrcella is more or less a hostage given to Dorne for their good will.
Someone should include the strength of the wildling and the Night Watch into this !
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On April 24 2013 00:25 zatic wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There are hardly any reliable troop numbers to go by. My estimate : North: 18k - 2k (ruse) + Freys - losses + Riverrun We don't know how many troops Riverrun contributed We don't know what happened to the Frey troops after Robb crossed Walder Frey over the wedding We don't know anything about their losses after the initial 2k sacrifice other than that the Lannisters take more Easiest would be to say Riverrun contributed enough to compensate for the losses, so still around 18k left Lannisters - significantly more, but never really specified. They have an initial army that Tywin is confident will beat the initial 20k Robb has. Let's give them 30k + superior equipment. They have reinforcements in the West that Tywin assumes can not hold against Robb, so probably significantly less than 20k They are constantly mentioned to take way more losses than the Starks, and Robb wins every battle against them ("5 dead for every 1 of ours") Also being harassed by the brotherhood, although that probably doesn't impact the numbers much I would give them an initial 40k total - 10k losses = about 30k left Iron Islands - about 6k Said to have 300 ships. Going by Theons ship 20 men per ship = 6k men. We can assume that all their sailors are fighters too. Tyrell - virtually no numbers, or confusing ones Littlefinger mentions them having "the largest army after Lannister and Stark". This makes little sense since Renly's initial host is supposed to be 100k, which is Tyrells and Stormlands combined (- Stannis). Stannis - initially has the bigger part of the Royal fleet, which is supposed to be smaller than the Iron fleet (and not all fighters) + the hired pirates. He probably has some Stormland troops loyal to him over his brother as well Let's say he has about 8k initially. He takes over Renlys troops after Renlys death. The real question is how the 100k in Renlys army are divided into Stormland and Tyrell loyalists. We can only say that Tyrell has at least half or more, since the Tyrell part + the Lannisters beat the Renly part + Stannis at the blackwater. If we say they split 50/50 and then meet again at the blackwater: We know "thousands" would die on the assault on the city alone. We have little information on the losses after the Tyrell + Lannister army arrives. We can assume from Stannis fanatacism that he wouldn't retreat before another couple of thousands fall. Let's give Stannis 15k losses and the Tyrell army 10k. Stannis can also only retreat with the ships he has left. We don't know what happens to his men who surrendered, let's just assume they are sent home (may be drafted into Tyrell / Lannister, but that would have been mentioned). If we say he loses half his fleet he can take 4k back to Dragonstone. Totaled that would leave: Lannister: 30k North: 18k Tyrell: 40k Stannis: 4k Greyjoys: 6k Dany - we have numbers! 8000 Unsullied About 40 Dothraki, mostly useless 1 hot interpreter 1 badass Joah Mormont 1 certified super badass Barristan Selmy 3 child dragons However, of course Danys army is HUGELY better than the thousands of drafted peasants the rest has, even without considering the dragons. The unsullied would most likely cut through Westeros armies twice their numbers. Also: Barristan Selmy. That was fun
There's also the possibility that some nobles would end up supporting an eventual Targ invasion, both because they may still be loyal to the old regime and because if the possibility that Dany could win was real, it would be a good way to adquire more power.
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On April 24 2013 01:01 Holy_AT wrote:
Myrcella is more or less a hostage given to Dorne for their good will.
Someone should include the strength of the wildling and the Night Watch into this !
isnt night watch since the last episode even relevant anymore? they more or less slaughtered each other and the rest will most likely be easy prey for mance rayders (king beyond the wall) scout troops which he sent their way.
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Considering someone posted this huge map of the world i was hoping someone would post the current position of most of the main cast.
I know Dany last season was in Quarth but now I havent payed much atention in which city she was "buying" her huge army.
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On April 24 2013 01:10 SkelA wrote:Considering someone posted this huge map of the world i was hoping someone would post the current position of most of the main cast. I know Dany last season was in Quarth but now I havent payed much atention in which city she was "buying" her huge army.
Astapor
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Dany is in Astapor i believe.
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Russian Federation59 Posts
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Zurich15355 Posts
On April 24 2013 00:47 broodmann wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:25 zatic wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There are hardly any reliable troop numbers to go by. My estimate : North: 18k - 2k (ruse) + Freys - losses + Riverrun We don't know how many troops Riverrun contributed We don't know what happened to the Frey troops after Robb crossed Walder Frey over the wedding We don't know anything about their losses after the initial 2k sacrifice other than that the Lannisters take more Easiest would be to say Riverrun contributed enough to compensate for the losses, so still around 18k left Lannisters - significantly more, but never really specified. They have an initial army that Tywin is confident will beat the initial 20k Robb has. Let's give them 30k + superior equipment. They have reinforcements in the West that Tywin assumes can not hold against Robb, so probably significantly less than 20k They are constantly mentioned to take way more losses than the Starks, and Robb wins every battle against them ("5 dead for every 1 of ours") Also being harassed by the brotherhood, although that probably doesn't impact the numbers much I would give them an initial 40k total - 10k losses = about 30k left Iron Islands - about 6k Said to have 300 ships. Going by Theons ship 20 men per ship = 6k men. We can assume that all their sailors are fighters too. Tyrell - virtually no numbers, or confusing ones Littlefinger mentions them having "the largest army after Lannister and Stark". This makes little sense since Renly's initial host is supposed to be 100k, which is Tyrells and Stormlands combined (- Stannis). Stannis - initially has the bigger part of the Royal fleet, which is supposed to be smaller than the Iron fleet (and not all fighters) + the hired pirates. He probably has some Stormland troops loyal to him over his brother as well Let's say he has about 8k initially. He takes over Renlys troops after Renlys death. The real question is how the 100k in Renlys army are divided into Stormland and Tyrell loyalists. We can only say that Tyrell has at least half or more, since the Tyrell part + the Lannisters beat the Renly part + Stannis at the blackwater. If we say they split 50/50 and then meet again at the blackwater: We know "thousands" would die on the assault on the city alone. We have little information on the losses after the Tyrell + Lannister army arrives. We can assume from Stannis fanatacism that he wouldn't retreat before another couple of thousands fall. Let's give Stannis 15k losses and the Tyrell army 10k. Stannis can also only retreat with the ships he has left. We don't know what happens to his men who surrendered, let's just assume they are sent home (may be drafted into Tyrell / Lannister, but that would have been mentioned). If we say he loses half his fleet he can take 4k back to Dragonstone. Totaled that would leave: Lannister: 30k North: 18k Tyrell: 40k Stannis: 4k Greyjoys: 6k Dany - we have numbers! 8000 Unsullied About 40 Dothraki, mostly useless 1 hot interpreter 1 badass Joah Mormont 1 certified super badass Barristan Selmy 3 child dragons However, of course Danys army is HUGELY better than the thousands of drafted peasants the rest has, even without considering the dragons. The unsullied would most likely cut through Westeros armies twice their numbers. Also: Barristan Selmy. That was fun Doesnt Dany have 8000 Unsullied + All the half trained ones?
Yeah I suppose you are right. So 8000 and an unspecified number of half trained / children.
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On April 24 2013 01:10 SkelA wrote:Considering someone posted this huge map of the world i was hoping someone would post the current position of most of the main cast. I know Dany last season was in Quarth but now I havent payed much atention in which city she was "buying" her huge army.
Danny just left the city of Astapor.
Robb sits at Riverrun with his Tully relatives.
Lord Bolton holds Harrenhall. Jaime+Brienne and their captors are somewhere in the proximity, not specified
Rest of the Lannisters, Tyrells and Sansa at kings landing (minus the two young Lannister captives).
Theon, unspecified - i guess, just to be safe.
Arya+Gendry, somewhere between Riverrun and Harrenhall, unspecified.
Stannis sits back at Dragonstone, Davos in its dungeons, Melissandre - who knows.
Jon, last seen with Mance and co at the fist of the first men.
About the numbers, i suggest not to try to make sense of them, since they arent really respected, different people give insanely different counts. Regardless, Westeros is a continent, you cannot concqure a continent with 8k footsoldiers. The onyl consistent number is that the Starks have around 20k, but whenever someone joins them or they fight a battle, what's the updated count, nobody says that. The army of the Tyrells could be anywhere between 10k and 60k depending on who you believe from the series. Danny needs more troops or bigger Dragons or both. Or the westerosi to keep killing each other for a few more years... or decades.
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On April 24 2013 00:25 zatic wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There are hardly any reliable troop numbers to go by. My estimate : North: 18k - 2k (ruse) + Freys - losses + Riverrun We don't know how many troops Riverrun contributed We don't know what happened to the Frey troops after Robb crossed Walder Frey over the wedding We don't know anything about their losses after the initial 2k sacrifice other than that the Lannisters take more Easiest would be to say Riverrun contributed enough to compensate for the losses, so still around 18k left Lannisters - significantly more, but never really specified. They have an initial army that Tywin is confident will beat the initial 20k Robb has. Let's give them 30k + superior equipment. They have reinforcements in the West that Tywin assumes can not hold against Robb, so probably significantly less than 20k They are constantly mentioned to take way more losses than the Starks, and Robb wins every battle against them ("5 dead for every 1 of ours") Also being harassed by the brotherhood, although that probably doesn't impact the numbers much I would give them an initial 40k total - 10k losses = about 30k left Iron Islands - about 6k Said to have 300 ships. Going by Theons ship 20 men per ship = 6k men. We can assume that all their sailors are fighters too. Tyrell - virtually no numbers, or confusing ones Littlefinger mentions them having "the largest army after Lannister and Stark". This makes little sense since Renly's initial host is supposed to be 100k, which is Tyrells and Stormlands combined (- Stannis). Stannis - initially has the bigger part of the Royal fleet, which is supposed to be smaller than the Iron fleet (and not all fighters) + the hired pirates. He probably has some Stormland troops loyal to him over his brother as well Let's say he has about 8k initially. He takes over Renlys troops after Renlys death. The real question is how the 100k in Renlys army are divided into Stormland and Tyrell loyalists. We can only say that Tyrell has at least half or more, since the Tyrell part + the Lannisters beat the Renly part + Stannis at the blackwater. If we say they split 50/50 and then meet again at the blackwater: We know "thousands" would die on the assault on the city alone. We have little information on the losses after the Tyrell + Lannister army arrives. We can assume from Stannis fanatacism that he wouldn't retreat before another couple of thousands fall. Let's give Stannis 15k losses and the Tyrell army 10k. Stannis can also only retreat with the ships he has left. We don't know what happens to his men who surrendered, let's just assume they are sent home (may be drafted into Tyrell / Lannister, but that would have been mentioned). If we say he loses half his fleet he can take 4k back to Dragonstone. Totaled that would leave: Lannister: 30k North: 18k Tyrell: 40k Stannis: 4k Greyjoys: 6k Dany - we have numbers! 8000 Unsullied About 40 Dothraki, mostly useless 1 hot interpreter 1 badass Joah Mormont 1 certified super badass Barristan Selmy 3 child dragons However, of course Danys army is HUGELY better than the thousands of drafted peasants the rest has, even without considering the dragons. The unsullied would most likely cut through Westeros armies twice their numbers. Also: Barristan Selmy. That was fun Edit: Someone correctly pointed out that Dany also has the Unsullied still in training. So an unspecified number of boys of all ages. Let's say they are about 1000. At this point they are more a liability than an asset to her though. Wildlings: "hundreds and thousands" There is little we know about them other than they count about 100k or more. It is unclear if that includes women, children, elderly. We know the women fight too though. The Watch: About 700 left Maester Aemon says there is "less than a thousand of us now". Mormont takes 300 beyond the wall, most of which get killed. The ones killed are also mostly rangers, so the most able fighters of the Watch are gone.
In season 1, Tywin gave Jaime half his forces 30.000 men, total would be 60.000 then
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Zurich15355 Posts
On April 24 2013 01:27 Peden wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:25 zatic wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There are hardly any reliable troop numbers to go by. My estimate : North: 18k - 2k (ruse) + Freys - losses + Riverrun We don't know how many troops Riverrun contributed We don't know what happened to the Frey troops after Robb crossed Walder Frey over the wedding We don't know anything about their losses after the initial 2k sacrifice other than that the Lannisters take more Easiest would be to say Riverrun contributed enough to compensate for the losses, so still around 18k left Lannisters - significantly more, but never really specified. They have an initial army that Tywin is confident will beat the initial 20k Robb has. Let's give them 30k + superior equipment. They have reinforcements in the West that Tywin assumes can not hold against Robb, so probably significantly less than 20k They are constantly mentioned to take way more losses than the Starks, and Robb wins every battle against them ("5 dead for every 1 of ours") Also being harassed by the brotherhood, although that probably doesn't impact the numbers much I would give them an initial 40k total - 10k losses = about 30k left Iron Islands - about 6k Said to have 300 ships. Going by Theons ship 20 men per ship = 6k men. We can assume that all their sailors are fighters too. Tyrell - virtually no numbers, or confusing ones Littlefinger mentions them having "the largest army after Lannister and Stark". This makes little sense since Renly's initial host is supposed to be 100k, which is Tyrells and Stormlands combined (- Stannis). Stannis - initially has the bigger part of the Royal fleet, which is supposed to be smaller than the Iron fleet (and not all fighters) + the hired pirates. He probably has some Stormland troops loyal to him over his brother as well Let's say he has about 8k initially. He takes over Renlys troops after Renlys death. The real question is how the 100k in Renlys army are divided into Stormland and Tyrell loyalists. We can only say that Tyrell has at least half or more, since the Tyrell part + the Lannisters beat the Renly part + Stannis at the blackwater. If we say they split 50/50 and then meet again at the blackwater: We know "thousands" would die on the assault on the city alone. We have little information on the losses after the Tyrell + Lannister army arrives. We can assume from Stannis fanatacism that he wouldn't retreat before another couple of thousands fall. Let's give Stannis 15k losses and the Tyrell army 10k. Stannis can also only retreat with the ships he has left. We don't know what happens to his men who surrendered, let's just assume they are sent home (may be drafted into Tyrell / Lannister, but that would have been mentioned). If we say he loses half his fleet he can take 4k back to Dragonstone. Totaled that would leave: Lannister: 30k North: 18k Tyrell: 40k Stannis: 4k Greyjoys: 6k Dany - we have numbers! 8000 Unsullied About 40 Dothraki, mostly useless 1 hot interpreter 1 badass Joah Mormont 1 certified super badass Barristan Selmy 3 child dragons However, of course Danys army is HUGELY better than the thousands of drafted peasants the rest has, even without considering the dragons. The unsullied would most likely cut through Westeros armies twice their numbers. Also: Barristan Selmy. That was fun Edit: Someone correctly pointed out that Dany also has the Unsullied still in training. So an unspecified number of boys of all ages. Let's say they are about 1000. At this point they are more a liability than an asset to her though. Wildlings: "hundreds and thousands" There is little we know about them other than they count about 100k or more. It is unclear if that includes women, children, elderly. We know the women fight too though. The Watch: About 700 left Maester Aemon says there is "less than a thousand of us now". Mormont takes 300 beyond the wall, most of which get killed. The ones killed are also mostly rangers, so the most able fighters of the Watch are gone. In season 1, Tywin gave Jaime half his forces 30.000 men, total would be 60.000 then
Did they say how many? Must have missed that. A large part of those would be killed though when Jaime was taken by surprise I would guess. Even then it remains pretty much unclear what happened to the rest of Jaime's troops. They should have been trapped between Riverrun and Robb then.
Edit: You are right, they do they say 30k is half their forces. That makes it really confusing where all those Lannister troops went to.
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On April 24 2013 01:36 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 01:27 Peden wrote:On April 24 2013 00:25 zatic wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There are hardly any reliable troop numbers to go by. My estimate : North: 18k - 2k (ruse) + Freys - losses + Riverrun We don't know how many troops Riverrun contributed We don't know what happened to the Frey troops after Robb crossed Walder Frey over the wedding We don't know anything about their losses after the initial 2k sacrifice other than that the Lannisters take more Easiest would be to say Riverrun contributed enough to compensate for the losses, so still around 18k left Lannisters - significantly more, but never really specified. They have an initial army that Tywin is confident will beat the initial 20k Robb has. Let's give them 30k + superior equipment. They have reinforcements in the West that Tywin assumes can not hold against Robb, so probably significantly less than 20k They are constantly mentioned to take way more losses than the Starks, and Robb wins every battle against them ("5 dead for every 1 of ours") Also being harassed by the brotherhood, although that probably doesn't impact the numbers much I would give them an initial 40k total - 10k losses = about 30k left Iron Islands - about 6k Said to have 300 ships. Going by Theons ship 20 men per ship = 6k men. We can assume that all their sailors are fighters too. Tyrell - virtually no numbers, or confusing ones Littlefinger mentions them having "the largest army after Lannister and Stark". This makes little sense since Renly's initial host is supposed to be 100k, which is Tyrells and Stormlands combined (- Stannis). Stannis - initially has the bigger part of the Royal fleet, which is supposed to be smaller than the Iron fleet (and not all fighters) + the hired pirates. He probably has some Stormland troops loyal to him over his brother as well Let's say he has about 8k initially. He takes over Renlys troops after Renlys death. The real question is how the 100k in Renlys army are divided into Stormland and Tyrell loyalists. We can only say that Tyrell has at least half or more, since the Tyrell part + the Lannisters beat the Renly part + Stannis at the blackwater. If we say they split 50/50 and then meet again at the blackwater: We know "thousands" would die on the assault on the city alone. We have little information on the losses after the Tyrell + Lannister army arrives. We can assume from Stannis fanatacism that he wouldn't retreat before another couple of thousands fall. Let's give Stannis 15k losses and the Tyrell army 10k. Stannis can also only retreat with the ships he has left. We don't know what happens to his men who surrendered, let's just assume they are sent home (may be drafted into Tyrell / Lannister, but that would have been mentioned). If we say he loses half his fleet he can take 4k back to Dragonstone. Totaled that would leave: Lannister: 30k North: 18k Tyrell: 40k Stannis: 4k Greyjoys: 6k Dany - we have numbers! 8000 Unsullied About 40 Dothraki, mostly useless 1 hot interpreter 1 badass Joah Mormont 1 certified super badass Barristan Selmy 3 child dragons However, of course Danys army is HUGELY better than the thousands of drafted peasants the rest has, even without considering the dragons. The unsullied would most likely cut through Westeros armies twice their numbers. Also: Barristan Selmy. That was fun Edit: Someone correctly pointed out that Dany also has the Unsullied still in training. So an unspecified number of boys of all ages. Let's say they are about 1000. At this point they are more a liability than an asset to her though. Wildlings: "hundreds and thousands" There is little we know about them other than they count about 100k or more. It is unclear if that includes women, children, elderly. We know the women fight too though. The Watch: About 700 left Maester Aemon says there is "less than a thousand of us now". Mormont takes 300 beyond the wall, most of which get killed. The ones killed are also mostly rangers, so the most able fighters of the Watch are gone. In season 1, Tywin gave Jaime half his forces 30.000 men, total would be 60.000 then Did they say how many? Must have missed that. A large part of those would be killed though when Jaime was taken by surprise I would guess. Even then it remains pretty much unclear what happened to the rest of Jaime's troops. They should have been trapped between Riverrun and Robb then.
yeah, we do not know what happened to them. One might assume some of them regrouped, and were part of the army that Robb crushed later on (in the episode which starts with the Lannister soldiers dicking around). Or went outlaw, or went home, or tried to reach Tywinn, or well... died.
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