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What is happening with Littlefinger btw? Varys tried to completely destroy LF's reputation at the Tyrells (an up and coming great power in King's Landing). The Tyrells are obviously believing Varys since Margaery suddenly suggested a marriage between Loras and Sansa. The marriage itself isn't irrational but it might lead to a grudge with the Lannisters as Sansa is an ace in their hand at the war. The Tyrells should have waited for the wedding and then get Sansa on their side.
Does Olenna believe Varys version of Littlefinger plotting a coup, too? Is their some truth to this or does Varys just want to get rid of a rival and strengthen his influence with house Tyrell?
Regarding the marriage between Margaery and Joffrey: Why arent they married yet? What are they waiting for? Does Joffrey need to come of age?
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On April 23 2013 20:04 Don_Julio wrote:
What is happening with Littlefinger btw? Varys tried to completely destroy LF's reputation at the Tyrells (an up and coming great power in King's Landing). The Tyrells are obviously believing Varys since Margaery suddenly suggested a marriage between Loras and Sansa. The marriage itself isn't irrational but it might lead to a grudge with the Lannisters as Sansa is an ace in their hand at the war. The Tyrells should have waited for the wedding and then get Sansa on their side.
Does Olenna believe Varys version of Littlefinger plotting a coup, too? Is their some truth to this or does Varys just want to get rid of a rival and strengthen his influence with house Tyrell?
Regarding the marriage between Margaery and Joffrey: Why arent they married yet? What are they waiting for? Does Joffrey need to come of age?
I feel like Varys just wants Sansa to be safe and he probably thinks that LF is ploting something. If the Tyrells realy want Sansa to marry Loras, that would mean that the Lannisters are gonna lose the key to winterfell and hand them over to the Tyrells. This would also mean that 4 Big Houses are connected through marriage --> Stark + Tyrell, Tyrell + Lannister/Baratheon.
Regarding the marriage it is probably not because of his age, they just have to make arrangements for the marriage. Stuff like singers, guests from all over Westeros have to arrive and so on.
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On April 23 2013 20:21 Luu1991 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:04 Don_Julio wrote:
What is happening with Littlefinger btw? Varys tried to completely destroy LF's reputation at the Tyrells (an up and coming great power in King's Landing). The Tyrells are obviously believing Varys since Margaery suddenly suggested a marriage between Loras and Sansa. The marriage itself isn't irrational but it might lead to a grudge with the Lannisters as Sansa is an ace in their hand at the war. The Tyrells should have waited for the wedding and then get Sansa on their side.
Does Olenna believe Varys version of Littlefinger plotting a coup, too? Is their some truth to this or does Varys just want to get rid of a rival and strengthen his influence with house Tyrell?
Regarding the marriage between Margaery and Joffrey: Why arent they married yet? What are they waiting for? Does Joffrey need to come of age? I feel like Varys just wants Sansa to be safe and he probably thinks that LF is ploting something. If the Tyrells realy want Sansa to marry Loras, that would mean that the Lannisters are gonna lose the key to winterfell and hand them over to the Tyrells. This would also mean that 4 Big Houses are connected through marriage --> Stark + Tyrell, Tyrell + Lannister/Baratheon. Regarding the marriage it is probably not because of his age, they just have to make arrangements for the marriage. Stuff like singers, guests from all over Westeros have to arrive and so on.
I get the feeling that Varys feels like Sansa is very key LF's plans and is more interested in stopping LF than Sansa's safety. He probably does want Sansa to be safe, but i highly doubt that is his primary motivation here. Maybe he feels he can use her as a bargaining chip later on as well.
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On April 23 2013 20:24 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:21 Luu1991 wrote:On April 23 2013 20:04 Don_Julio wrote:
What is happening with Littlefinger btw? Varys tried to completely destroy LF's reputation at the Tyrells (an up and coming great power in King's Landing). The Tyrells are obviously believing Varys since Margaery suddenly suggested a marriage between Loras and Sansa. The marriage itself isn't irrational but it might lead to a grudge with the Lannisters as Sansa is an ace in their hand at the war. The Tyrells should have waited for the wedding and then get Sansa on their side.
Does Olenna believe Varys version of Littlefinger plotting a coup, too? Is their some truth to this or does Varys just want to get rid of a rival and strengthen his influence with house Tyrell?
Regarding the marriage between Margaery and Joffrey: Why arent they married yet? What are they waiting for? Does Joffrey need to come of age? I feel like Varys just wants Sansa to be safe and he probably thinks that LF is ploting something. If the Tyrells realy want Sansa to marry Loras, that would mean that the Lannisters are gonna lose the key to winterfell and hand them over to the Tyrells. This would also mean that 4 Big Houses are connected through marriage --> Stark + Tyrell, Tyrell + Lannister/Baratheon. Regarding the marriage it is probably not because of his age, they just have to make arrangements for the marriage. Stuff like singers, guests from all over Westeros have to arrive and so on. I get the feeling that Varys feels like Sansa is very key LF's plans and is more interested in stopping LF than Sansa's safety. He probably does want Sansa to be safe, but i highly doubt that is his primary motivation here. Maybe he feels he can use her as a bargaining chip later on as well.
It is just strange, what does LF even want to do with Sansa? He cant marry her to his heir, because he has no children (maybe some bastards who knows), and he cant marry her himself because he is gonna marry Lysa Arryn (her Aunt).
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On April 23 2013 20:33 Luu1991 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:24 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 23 2013 20:21 Luu1991 wrote:On April 23 2013 20:04 Don_Julio wrote:
What is happening with Littlefinger btw? Varys tried to completely destroy LF's reputation at the Tyrells (an up and coming great power in King's Landing). The Tyrells are obviously believing Varys since Margaery suddenly suggested a marriage between Loras and Sansa. The marriage itself isn't irrational but it might lead to a grudge with the Lannisters as Sansa is an ace in their hand at the war. The Tyrells should have waited for the wedding and then get Sansa on their side.
Does Olenna believe Varys version of Littlefinger plotting a coup, too? Is their some truth to this or does Varys just want to get rid of a rival and strengthen his influence with house Tyrell?
Regarding the marriage between Margaery and Joffrey: Why arent they married yet? What are they waiting for? Does Joffrey need to come of age? I feel like Varys just wants Sansa to be safe and he probably thinks that LF is ploting something. If the Tyrells realy want Sansa to marry Loras, that would mean that the Lannisters are gonna lose the key to winterfell and hand them over to the Tyrells. This would also mean that 4 Big Houses are connected through marriage --> Stark + Tyrell, Tyrell + Lannister/Baratheon. Regarding the marriage it is probably not because of his age, they just have to make arrangements for the marriage. Stuff like singers, guests from all over Westeros have to arrive and so on. I get the feeling that Varys feels like Sansa is very key LF's plans and is more interested in stopping LF than Sansa's safety. He probably does want Sansa to be safe, but i highly doubt that is his primary motivation here. Maybe he feels he can use her as a bargaining chip later on as well. It is just strange, what does LF even want to do with Sansa? He cant marry her to his heir, because he has no children (maybe some bastards who knows), and he cant marry her himself because he is gonna marry Lysa Arryn (her Aunt).
Sansa is a Stark. Having a Stark is better than having no Stark. I guess that's all we know right now, but it would definitely be a benefit to him having Sansa with him, especially if she trusts him.
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On April 23 2013 20:24 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:21 Luu1991 wrote:On April 23 2013 20:04 Don_Julio wrote:
What is happening with Littlefinger btw? Varys tried to completely destroy LF's reputation at the Tyrells (an up and coming great power in King's Landing). The Tyrells are obviously believing Varys since Margaery suddenly suggested a marriage between Loras and Sansa. The marriage itself isn't irrational but it might lead to a grudge with the Lannisters as Sansa is an ace in their hand at the war. The Tyrells should have waited for the wedding and then get Sansa on their side.
Does Olenna believe Varys version of Littlefinger plotting a coup, too? Is their some truth to this or does Varys just want to get rid of a rival and strengthen his influence with house Tyrell?
Regarding the marriage between Margaery and Joffrey: Why arent they married yet? What are they waiting for? Does Joffrey need to come of age? I feel like Varys just wants Sansa to be safe and he probably thinks that LF is ploting something. If the Tyrells realy want Sansa to marry Loras, that would mean that the Lannisters are gonna lose the key to winterfell and hand them over to the Tyrells. This would also mean that 4 Big Houses are connected through marriage --> Stark + Tyrell, Tyrell + Lannister/Baratheon. Regarding the marriage it is probably not because of his age, they just have to make arrangements for the marriage. Stuff like singers, guests from all over Westeros have to arrive and so on. I get the feeling that Varys feels like Sansa is very key LF's plans and is more interested in stopping LF than Sansa's safety. He probably does want Sansa to be safe, but i highly doubt that is his primary motivation here. Maybe he feels he can use her as a bargaining chip later on as well.
Yeah I think Varys is compelled to prevent LF from rising too high. Either because of what he says, he is scared what LF will do, or more likely that he just doesn't want his spy rival being higher than him before he can get there ^^.
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On April 23 2013 20:33 Luu1991 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:24 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 23 2013 20:21 Luu1991 wrote:On April 23 2013 20:04 Don_Julio wrote:
What is happening with Littlefinger btw? Varys tried to completely destroy LF's reputation at the Tyrells (an up and coming great power in King's Landing). The Tyrells are obviously believing Varys since Margaery suddenly suggested a marriage between Loras and Sansa. The marriage itself isn't irrational but it might lead to a grudge with the Lannisters as Sansa is an ace in their hand at the war. The Tyrells should have waited for the wedding and then get Sansa on their side.
Does Olenna believe Varys version of Littlefinger plotting a coup, too? Is their some truth to this or does Varys just want to get rid of a rival and strengthen his influence with house Tyrell?
Regarding the marriage between Margaery and Joffrey: Why arent they married yet? What are they waiting for? Does Joffrey need to come of age? I feel like Varys just wants Sansa to be safe and he probably thinks that LF is ploting something. If the Tyrells realy want Sansa to marry Loras, that would mean that the Lannisters are gonna lose the key to winterfell and hand them over to the Tyrells. This would also mean that 4 Big Houses are connected through marriage --> Stark + Tyrell, Tyrell + Lannister/Baratheon. Regarding the marriage it is probably not because of his age, they just have to make arrangements for the marriage. Stuff like singers, guests from all over Westeros have to arrive and so on. I get the feeling that Varys feels like Sansa is very key LF's plans and is more interested in stopping LF than Sansa's safety. He probably does want Sansa to be safe, but i highly doubt that is his primary motivation here. Maybe he feels he can use her as a bargaining chip later on as well. It is just strange, what does LF even want to do with Sansa? He cant marry her to his heir, because he has no children (maybe some bastards who knows), and he cant marry her himself because he is gonna marry Lysa Arryn (her Aunt).
Maybe he wants her to marry Lysa's son, so he'd have control over the Vale and the North.
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whats interesting to me is what will happen when daenerys meets the worshippers of the lord of light. they worship the god of fire while she is the true living god of fire being immune to it, controlling dragons and what not. will they try to fight her or will they switch sides and worship her instead?
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On April 23 2013 20:40 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 20:33 Luu1991 wrote:On April 23 2013 20:24 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 23 2013 20:21 Luu1991 wrote:On April 23 2013 20:04 Don_Julio wrote:
What is happening with Littlefinger btw? Varys tried to completely destroy LF's reputation at the Tyrells (an up and coming great power in King's Landing). The Tyrells are obviously believing Varys since Margaery suddenly suggested a marriage between Loras and Sansa. The marriage itself isn't irrational but it might lead to a grudge with the Lannisters as Sansa is an ace in their hand at the war. The Tyrells should have waited for the wedding and then get Sansa on their side.
Does Olenna believe Varys version of Littlefinger plotting a coup, too? Is their some truth to this or does Varys just want to get rid of a rival and strengthen his influence with house Tyrell?
Regarding the marriage between Margaery and Joffrey: Why arent they married yet? What are they waiting for? Does Joffrey need to come of age? I feel like Varys just wants Sansa to be safe and he probably thinks that LF is ploting something. If the Tyrells realy want Sansa to marry Loras, that would mean that the Lannisters are gonna lose the key to winterfell and hand them over to the Tyrells. This would also mean that 4 Big Houses are connected through marriage --> Stark + Tyrell, Tyrell + Lannister/Baratheon. Regarding the marriage it is probably not because of his age, they just have to make arrangements for the marriage. Stuff like singers, guests from all over Westeros have to arrive and so on. I get the feeling that Varys feels like Sansa is very key LF's plans and is more interested in stopping LF than Sansa's safety. He probably does want Sansa to be safe, but i highly doubt that is his primary motivation here. Maybe he feels he can use her as a bargaining chip later on as well. It is just strange, what does LF even want to do with Sansa? He cant marry her to his heir, because he has no children (maybe some bastards who knows), and he cant marry her himself because he is gonna marry Lysa Arryn (her Aunt). Maybe he wants her to marry Lysa's son, so he'd have control over the Vale and the North.
This is what makes most sense. He'd end up as her "dad" if he was to marry her to Lysa's son after marrying Lysa himself. And thus direct control over the north if Robb fails.
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On April 23 2013 04:11 ecstazy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 04:03 PerryHooter wrote:
I like how Daenerys solved the dilemma of using slave soldiers (slaves being outlawed in westeros which would cause a lot of problems once she gets there) versus that of trying to find houses loyal to the Targaryens and fight with forces consisting of free men (which would be much "messier" warfare with raping and pillaging), a dilemma Mormont and Selmy discussed the episode before. I contemplated on that myself.
So, she gave the unsullied the opportunity to walk away, meaning they technically aren't slaves anymore and people in westeros won't hate her for using slaves. Of course, the unsullied are in practice unable to deny her commands, but they're not slaves, and that's what matters for her. (Of course, it's also a matter of principle for her, not using slaves).
WP Danerys, WP.
I think unsullied could have walked away, but they enjoyed killing their masters and since fighting is all they can do and have nowhere else to go, it is only logical for them to stick with Dany.
Question is what are they going to eat? Danny doesn't have any gold or resource and now she's got an army of over 8000 soldiers.
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The look on Dany's face when he told the master the dragon is not a slave. Awesome end to this episode
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On April 23 2013 20:48 BillGates wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 04:11 ecstazy wrote:On April 23 2013 04:03 PerryHooter wrote:
I like how Daenerys solved the dilemma of using slave soldiers (slaves being outlawed in westeros which would cause a lot of problems once she gets there) versus that of trying to find houses loyal to the Targaryens and fight with forces consisting of free men (which would be much "messier" warfare with raping and pillaging), a dilemma Mormont and Selmy discussed the episode before. I contemplated on that myself.
So, she gave the unsullied the opportunity to walk away, meaning they technically aren't slaves anymore and people in westeros won't hate her for using slaves. Of course, the unsullied are in practice unable to deny her commands, but they're not slaves, and that's what matters for her. (Of course, it's also a matter of principle for her, not using slaves).
WP Danerys, WP.
I think unsullied could have walked away, but they enjoyed killing their masters and since fighting is all they can do and have nowhere else to go, it is only logical for them to stick with Dany. Question is what are they going to eat? Danny doesn't have any gold or resource and now she's got an army of over 8000 soldiers.
there surely are a lot of rations to plunder in that city and in every slave city she is going to raid on the way i would guess. also, she has a reasonable ammount of gold/money from quarth, its just that the unsullies are so damn expensive that she could only affort a few of them for that gold, food is much cheaper.
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On April 23 2013 20:48 BillGates wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 04:11 ecstazy wrote:On April 23 2013 04:03 PerryHooter wrote:
I like how Daenerys solved the dilemma of using slave soldiers (slaves being outlawed in westeros which would cause a lot of problems once she gets there) versus that of trying to find houses loyal to the Targaryens and fight with forces consisting of free men (which would be much "messier" warfare with raping and pillaging), a dilemma Mormont and Selmy discussed the episode before. I contemplated on that myself.
So, she gave the unsullied the opportunity to walk away, meaning they technically aren't slaves anymore and people in westeros won't hate her for using slaves. Of course, the unsullied are in practice unable to deny her commands, but they're not slaves, and that's what matters for her. (Of course, it's also a matter of principle for her, not using slaves).
WP Danerys, WP.
I think unsullied could have walked away, but they enjoyed killing their masters and since fighting is all they can do and have nowhere else to go, it is only logical for them to stick with Dany. Question is what are they going to eat? Danny doesn't have any gold or resource and now she's got an army of over 8000 soldiers.
Whatever they took from the city before they left
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On April 23 2013 20:48 BillGates wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 04:11 ecstazy wrote:On April 23 2013 04:03 PerryHooter wrote:
I like how Daenerys solved the dilemma of using slave soldiers (slaves being outlawed in westeros which would cause a lot of problems once she gets there) versus that of trying to find houses loyal to the Targaryens and fight with forces consisting of free men (which would be much "messier" warfare with raping and pillaging), a dilemma Mormont and Selmy discussed the episode before. I contemplated on that myself.
So, she gave the unsullied the opportunity to walk away, meaning they technically aren't slaves anymore and people in westeros won't hate her for using slaves. Of course, the unsullied are in practice unable to deny her commands, but they're not slaves, and that's what matters for her. (Of course, it's also a matter of principle for her, not using slaves).
WP Danerys, WP.
I think unsullied could have walked away, but they enjoyed killing their masters and since fighting is all they can do and have nowhere else to go, it is only logical for them to stick with Dany. Question is what are they going to eat? Danny doesn't have any gold or resource and now she's got an army of over 8000 soldiers.
She did just sack an entire city with those 8000 soldiers. Even though the series didn't show it, it is logical to assume she took a lot of valuables and supplies like any good Dothraki Khal would.
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On April 23 2013 18:32 SmoKim wrote:This game is so awesome, highly recommended - even for non-fans imo 
Fucking great game. We usually get together 5-6 and play it.
Easily takes a few hours to play
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On April 23 2013 21:51 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 18:32 SmoKim wrote:This game is so awesome, highly recommended - even for non-fans imo Fucking great game. We usually get together 5-6 and play it. Easily takes a few hours to play
I've played the shit out of the game a few years back with my friends. The premise of the game is awesome but the factions are imbalanced. The games usually follow a pattern where factions consolidate power without meddling, somebody breaks out of the stalemate for the win and gets crushed.
After all this somebody sneakily slips out and conquers the necessary towns to win.
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So Draenerys now has an army of 8000 unsullied plus three dragons. What was the numbers for the Lannister and the Stark armies mentioned in season 2? Did we get a number for the wildling army at some point?
I'm just kind of psyched that Draenerys finally has an army, seems they've mostly spent 2.5 seasons on her story just to get to this point.
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wildling army is huge
Stark army was 18-20 k or so before losses, Lannisters have significantly more
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On April 23 2013 23:00 OrchidThief wrote:
So Draenerys now has an army of 8000 unsullied plus three dragons. What was the numbers for the Lannister and the Stark armies mentioned in season 2? Did we get a number for the wildling army at some point?
I'm just kind of psyched that Draenerys finally has an army, seems they've mostly spent 2.5 seasons on her story just to get to this point.
yeah and what about her dothraki? is that even a number worth mentioning or do they just seem small in the tv series but are actually noteworthy?
@wildlings: i think they have by far the biggest numbers in troops (as well as monsters like giants), which is evened out by their lack of morale/discipline/obedience.
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On April 23 2013 23:08 KOFgokuon wrote:
wildling army is huge
Stark army was 18-20 k or so before losses, Lannisters have significantly more
Lannisters lost a lot tho in the battle where Jaime got captured.
All in all i would think a number of 20k or so per house is realistic.
Danny only has a handfull of Dothraki left. Dont forget they all fit easily on a single ship she used to travel to the slave citys and all of them combined were worth 3 Unsullied.
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