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On April 23 2013 09:08 EpiK wrote: why did that servant release theon just to take him back to the dungeon again?
To see where his true intentions/feelings laid. They explained it in the episode. He was actually never on Theon's side and it was all just to troll him.
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On April 23 2013 09:11 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:08 EpiK wrote: why did that servant release theon just to take him back to the dungeon again? To see where his true intentions/feelings laid. They explained it in the episode. He was actually never on Theon's side and it was all just to troll him. Did they? I never heard him say anything like that explicitly.
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On April 23 2013 09:11 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:08 EpiK wrote: why did that servant release theon just to take him back to the dungeon again? To see where his true intentions/feelings laid. They explained it in the episode. He was actually never on Theon's side and it was all just to troll him. When do they explain it? How did the servant know he would reveal all of that personal info before they back to the dungeon? He didn't exactly probe for it, theon just shared it on his own. And how did he know those captors wouldn't kill him before he got the information he wanted? Seems a bit over-elaborate just to get that piece of information..
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On April 23 2013 07:22 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 07:15 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 23 2013 07:07 RogerChillingworth wrote: jaime has said in the past that there are several people in westeros who would be challenging (or could beat him) with a sword. he's among the best, not necessarily the best. When did he say this? The only time I recall him saying anything about his own skill level was the first episode of season 1 when he goading Ned. He mentioned that the competition at court was getting stale. Season 2, Episode 8, when talking to Brienne. Brienne of Tarth: You will not provoke me to anger. Jaime Lannister: I already have. Look at you. You're ready to chop my head off. Do you think you could? Do you think you can beat me in a fair fight? Brienne of Tarth: I've never seen you fight. Jaime Lannister: The answer is no. There are three men in the kingdoms who might have a chance against me. You're not one of them. keep in mind though, this is Jaime being his cocky self, and it doesn't necessarily state facts. I'm guessing one of them is arya's instructor, Syrio, who I think we can assume to be alive.
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On April 23 2013 09:17 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 07:22 moopie wrote:On April 23 2013 07:15 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 23 2013 07:07 RogerChillingworth wrote: jaime has said in the past that there are several people in westeros who would be challenging (or could beat him) with a sword. he's among the best, not necessarily the best. When did he say this? The only time I recall him saying anything about his own skill level was the first episode of season 1 when he goading Ned. He mentioned that the competition at court was getting stale. Season 2, Episode 8, when talking to Brienne. Brienne of Tarth: You will not provoke me to anger. Jaime Lannister: I already have. Look at you. You're ready to chop my head off. Do you think you could? Do you think you can beat me in a fair fight? Brienne of Tarth: I've never seen you fight. Jaime Lannister: The answer is no. There are three men in the kingdoms who might have a chance against me. You're not one of them. keep in mind though, this is Jaime being his cocky self, and it doesn't necessarily state facts. I'm guessing one of them is arya's instructor, Syrio, who I think we can assume to be alive. I can't imagine Jaime knowing a foreigner that isn't recognized by anyone else. He doesn't sound like he's referring to foreigners, either.
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On April 23 2013 09:02 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 07:06 PrinceXizor wrote:On April 23 2013 07:02 Dazed_Spy wrote: Marginally defeating a random Knight at Renlys tourny hardly inspires to me the notion that Brienne is amongst the worlds best.
edit: she literally was disarmed and won by checking the guy to the ground. I imagine Jaime could disarm her far easier than that knight did, and I dont think he'd be foolish enough to get checked to the ground by her either.
Didn't she beat Loras tyrell who is one of the best swordsmen in the seven kingdoms (certainly the best in the tyrell's army) and not some random? And Jaime seemed to think Ned could beat him, hence why jaime was so upset that a soldier stabbed ned mid duel he wanted to see if he could beat ned. Is he one of the best swordsmen? Everything we hear about him is in relation to his jousting/riding abilities. As for the whole Jaime issue, I fence for my university. A year of absolutely zero exercise/practice/malnutrition will fuck you up, and make you slow and predictable, just as Brienne says. And that's a sport with probably less physical requirements than outright swordfighting. Was he still overrated? Maybe, but I'd say he has a hell of an excuse, especially given Brienne's style seems to be in hitting very hard against physically weaker opponents. He wins pretty much every tournament he is in and those include melee combat. He is also brought up along with jaime/the mountain as one of the best swordsman in westeros, though it is dismissed because he's gay.
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On April 23 2013 09:25 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:02 Dfgj wrote:On April 23 2013 07:06 PrinceXizor wrote:On April 23 2013 07:02 Dazed_Spy wrote: Marginally defeating a random Knight at Renlys tourny hardly inspires to me the notion that Brienne is amongst the worlds best.
edit: she literally was disarmed and won by checking the guy to the ground. I imagine Jaime could disarm her far easier than that knight did, and I dont think he'd be foolish enough to get checked to the ground by her either.
Didn't she beat Loras tyrell who is one of the best swordsmen in the seven kingdoms (certainly the best in the tyrell's army) and not some random? And Jaime seemed to think Ned could beat him, hence why jaime was so upset that a soldier stabbed ned mid duel he wanted to see if he could beat ned. Is he one of the best swordsmen? Everything we hear about him is in relation to his jousting/riding abilities. As for the whole Jaime issue, I fence for my university. A year of absolutely zero exercise/practice/malnutrition will fuck you up, and make you slow and predictable, just as Brienne says. And that's a sport with probably less physical requirements than outright swordfighting. Was he still overrated? Maybe, but I'd say he has a hell of an excuse, especially given Brienne's style seems to be in hitting very hard against physically weaker opponents. He wins pretty much every tournament he is in and those include melee combat. He is also brought up along with jaime/the mountain as one of the best swordsman in westeros, though it is dismissed because he's gay. Jousts and melees are different kinds of tournaments - he won the joust at the Hand's tourney, and he won the joust against Jaime before that, but I don't think we heard about actual melees with him. He did pretty well at Renly's, but that's the only case we have (and he wasn't even using a sword there).
He's obviously a great fighter, but where he compares to the rest in a melee, we can't be totally sure imo.
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On April 23 2013 09:11 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:08 EpiK wrote: why did that servant release theon just to take him back to the dungeon again? To see where his true intentions/feelings laid. They explained it in the episode. He was actually never on Theon's side and it was all just to troll him.
I'm pretty sure that kid is just nuts. You don't go and kill five of your own guys just to try and see why he did something. Like man, his eyes when he lit that torch in the dungeon and you realize what happened... yeah, those weren't the eyes of a sane individual.
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On April 23 2013 09:27 Dfgj wrote: Jousts and melees are different kinds of tournaments - he won the joust at the Hand's tourney, and he won the joust against Jaime before that, but I don't think we heard about actual melees with him. He did pretty well at Renly's, but that's the only case we have (and he wasn't even using a sword there).
He's obviously a great fighter, but where he compares to the rest in a melee, we can't be totally sure imo. IIRC he's lost two Tournaments or something ridiculous like that, one being the one he surrendered to the hound for saving his life against the mountain, the other he lost to jaime. He's considered to be up there with jaime in terms of swordfighting at least by the people, Renly, Lannisters men, A few other misc people have all referenced him as being one of the greats.
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Considered is one thing, evidence another. As Olenna says, he's very good at knocking people off horses with a stick. I think almost all his tourney mentions are in the jousts, so that leaves us with only a couple cases of him swordfighting.
Again, I've no doubt he's excellent (his weapon skills seem superior to brienne, at least, and that's something). One of the best overall? Possible.
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Khal Droko will rape all of them single handily
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On April 23 2013 09:46 rei wrote: Khal Droko will rape all of them single handily Aye, all but loras, for him it'll be willing. drogo already has the shaved chest he likes.
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On April 23 2013 09:55 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:46 rei wrote: Khal Droko will rape all of them single handily Aye, all but loras, for him it'll be willing. drogo already has the shaved chest he likes. Between the giant chest and eyeliner, Khal Drogo may be too much woman for Loras.
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On April 23 2013 09:56 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:55 PrinceXizor wrote:On April 23 2013 09:46 rei wrote: Khal Droko will rape all of them single handily Aye, all but loras, for him it'll be willing. drogo already has the shaved chest he likes. Between the giant chest and eyeliner, Khal Drogo may be too much woman for Loras. And the long hair.
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On April 23 2013 09:58 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:56 Dfgj wrote:On April 23 2013 09:55 PrinceXizor wrote:On April 23 2013 09:46 rei wrote: Khal Droko will rape all of them single handily Aye, all but loras, for him it'll be willing. drogo already has the shaved chest he likes. Between the giant chest and eyeliner, Khal Drogo may be too much woman for Loras. And the long hair. And the breasts
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On April 23 2013 09:46 rei wrote: Khal Droko will rape all of them single handily The Mountain is bigger, and he wears armor.
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This thread is out of control right now
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I think Dany is the only character with plot invulnerability right now. If she dies, an entire storyline dies with her. She has to stay alive until she's had a chance to have a direct impact on the war for the throne.
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On April 23 2013 01:23 TealHorseman wrote: My point is - there is a huge army in the middle of the desert just waiting to be taken. Jorah knew about it, surely there are people in Westeros who know about it too. Right now the Lannistars are under siege from everywhere and they have loads of cash. They could have just bought the Unsullied (call them servants not slaves) and send them to fight Robb and Stanis. The dead cost nothing. Either the Unsullied finish the job and save the Lannisters from all their trouble, or they die do massive damage and end up costing nothing to sustain.
The Lannister's couldn't hire the Unsullied because Stannis controls the water. He has more ships than the Lannisters (at least before the battle of Blackwater Bay... hard to say now) so there wasn't any way the Lannister's could get across the sea to hire those slaves, and even if they could it'd take forever for them to get there to help out since they're so far away. Granted Ravens can teleport in the show, so they could stretch it some, but yeah.
Lannisters already have more men than the Starks with the Tyrell's in the fold so they don't really need to spend a fortune to buy another army... especially considering they are going to have to deal with the Crown's debt, considering they are securing the throne.
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On April 23 2013 10:54 Aegon I wrote: I think Dany is the only character with plot invulnerability right now. If she dies, an entire storyline dies with her. She has to stay alive until she's had a chance to have a direct impact on the war for the throne.
She's already had a big impact. She brought three dragons into the game and freed a large slave army. If Dany were to die then the things that she has already done could still change the world.
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